Trans Woman Attacked.

MissMoppet

Not sure if ye's have seen this but I thought it deserved putting up.

On April 18 an assault took place at a McDonald’s..an unidentified trans woman tried to use the bathroom at a Baltimore McDonald's, two patrons started attacking her in full view of other customers and employees.These employees can be heard on the video shouting words of encouragement to the attackers. Its time we DEMAND that justice be served and that EVERY McDonald's employee on duty at this time, be terminated AND charged with accesory to a Hate Crime (at the very least). .

A warning that the video is VERY UPSETTING.

It's so sad that this mentality exists in society.

Heres a few links -
http://www.wbaltv.com/r/27640819/detail.html
http://www.change.org/petitions/demand-that-the-employees-on-duty-at-mcdonalds-be-held-responsible-in-the-beating-of-a-trans-woman

Much Love xx

ct89

Too good for.....

MissMoppet

^??

deirdre_dub

ct89 wrote: »

Too good for.....

Eh?

dlofnep

MissMoppet wrote: »

Its time we DEMAND that justice be served and that EVERY McDonald's employee on duty at this time, be terminated AND charged with accesory to a Hate Crime (at the very least). .

I suppose you have evidence that all staff members encouraged it?

MissMoppet

I'm just repeating what was said on one of the links i posted..From what I've researched it appears that the only person to have been disciplined was the person who filmed and uploaded the video..Thats Not good enough..

ct89

Asking for.....

MissMoppet

ct89 wrote: »

Asking for.....

You confuse me.

ct89

Im sure if...

rainbow kirby

ct89 - either use full sentences or don't post.

tweedledee

Its Baltimore,the biggest ****hole in the US.Its a shame nobody stepped in.
If the same happened in Dublin, I imagine the result would be the same,nobody would step in,****hole.

Chuchoter

Jesus christ that was vicious, I don't know if you can prove the employees are shouting abuse (I can't hear anyone calling out anything) but surely someone there could have stepped in, I mean the girls aren't that big that a grown man couldn't have pulled them off the poor woman.

MissMoppet

Apparently one of them was only 14!

The part that disgusted me other than the actual attack was when she was having the seizure..And you can see people just looking at her and walking over her. You can hear them at the end telling the attackers to leave because the police we're called. The sound isn't the best thats true.

The only person to help her was that old woman. At least she tried..

Healium

Two sides to every story

Looks like trans woman brewed up a s**t storm, and got a beat down for it. Don't mess with ghetto girls.

Not justifying the beating by any means, but you can't label everything a hate crime. Maybe trans woman was just an asshole?

bitter_lemon

i looked at that video TWICE before i posted just to be sure :P

i didn't see footage of that woman trying to enter the toilets. i didn't see what sparked it off.
you could see the same in any burger king or mcdonalds on a saturday night here in dublin and it dosen't matter what sexual orientation (sorry - gender orientation) the person is - i don't see that as a hate crime. it is just a few scumbags being scumbaggish.
girls can be tramps. boys can be tramps.

so why is everybody jumping to conclusions? it could just be a case of the wrong place at the wrong time and usually a bit of lip sparks these things off.


if anybody can show me footage of how this was a hate crime please post it here.
thanks!

Meesared

Ive seen posts from the guy who recorded it facebook page giving it a bit more background, and from what he said it does make it into a hate crime issue

foggy_lad

Meesared wrote: »

Ive seen posts from the guy who recorded it facebook page giving it a bit more background, and from what he said it does make it into a hate crime issue

Posts from some anonymous person's Facebook page are not proof of anything.

Azure_sky

I remember a story awhile ago where McDonalds fired someone after finding out they where trans...what is about McDonalds and this kind of crap?
I wonder would people have intervened if it happened here or is more of an American mentality?

Meesared

foggy_lad wrote: »

Posts from some anonymous person's Facebook page are not proof of anything.

Why would it not be? it was the guy who recorded it? he was kinda right there....

Azure_sky

Healium wrote: »

Two sides to every story

Looks like trans woman brewed up a s**t storm, and got a beat down for it. Don't mess with ghetto girls.

Not justifying the beating by any means, but you can't label everything a hate crime. Maybe trans woman was just an asshole?

What other side? "I saw a tranny and decided to beat the sh!t out of her because I'm a good old fashioned violent, sociopathic bigot, your honour."

Links234

Healium wrote: »

Two sides to every story

Looks like trans woman brewed up a s**t storm, and got a beat down for it. Don't mess with ghetto girls.

Not justifying the beating by any means, but you can't label everything a hate crime. Maybe trans woman was just an asshole?

wow, victim blaming on boards.ie, who'd have thought it? :rolleyes:

a woman got brutally assaulted, and you're making excuses for the attacks who beat her into having a seizure? christ almigty.

Azure_sky

Links234 wrote: »

wow, victim blaming on boards.ie, who'd have thought it? :rolleyes:

a woman got brutally assaulted, and you're making excuses for the attacks who beat her into having a seizure? christ almigty.

It's best not to think about it.

Azure_sky

ct89 wrote: »

Too good for.....

ct89 wrote: »

Asking for.....

Oh come now. If you're going to post transphobic comments at least have the balls (no pun intended) to actually say it.

Shield

Just so everyone knows, ct89 has been site-banned.

Anyway, disgraceful attack for any person to have to suffer. Hope the victim isn't too traumatised and recovers soon.

Partially agree with Healium; it doesn't look like a hate crime to me.

Dunno what started it all off, but it's always possible they didn't even know it was a transgender person. Seems, to me anyway, it's being labelled a hate crime for the sake of labelling it a hate crime.

Links234

Deleted User wrote: »

Partially agree with Healium; it doesn't look like a hate crime to me.

Dunno what started it all off, but it's always possible they didn't even know it was a transgender person. Seems, to me anyway, it's being labelled a hate crime for the sake of labelling it a hate crime.

do you understand what a hate crime is?

Azure_sky

Deleted User wrote: »

Seems, to me anyway, it's being labelled a hate crime for the sake of labelling it a hate crime.

Context.

rainbow kirby

Victim speaks to the Baltimore Sun

yawha

Links234 wrote: »

do you understand what a hate crime is?

A hate crime is a crime that occurs when a victim is targeted because of their belonging to some group.

To suggest that a crime might not be a hate crime is absolutely not victim blaming.

The question we must ask is do we automatically label any attack on/crime against a homosexual/transgendered/black/etc. person as a hate crime, and revise our classification when the facts come out, or do we reserve judgement on whether it was a hate crime or not until the facts come out.

I would go with the latter.

yawha

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Victim speaks to the Baltimore Sun

I watched the video, didn't hear the victim mention "hate crime" once, maybe I didn't notice...

She did say "those girls were looking to pick a fight that night".

It was a horrible crime, it just doesn't appear to me that it happened because she was transgender.

wonderfulname

yawha wrote: »

A hate crime is a crime that occurs when a victim is targeted because of their belonging to some group.

To suggest that a crime might not be a hate crime is absolutely not victim blaming.

The question we must ask is do we automatically label any attack on/crime against a homosexual/transgendered/black/etc. person as a hate crime, and revise our classification when the facts come out, or do we reserve judgement on whether it was a hate crime or not until the facts come out.

I would go with the latter.

"They said, 'That's a dude, that's a dude and she's in the female bathroom,' " said Chrissy Lee Polis, 22, who said she stopped at the Rosedale restaurant to use the restroom. "They spit in my face."

That's from the link above, I think we can safely call it a hate crime. Also, a hate crime can be perpetrated because someone is perceived to belong to a group, so for example, I could have walked in there in my glorious androgynous sunday attire of a giant hoodie and tracksuit bottoms and the same could have happened, would they be correct? No. Would their hate be any less because of that? No. Would it still be a hate crime? Yes.

KnifeWRENCH

Healium does have a point; there wasn't enough evidence in the video to automatically assume that it was a hate crime.

But reading her interview with the newspaper certainly makes it much clearer that it was, and that is appalling.

yawha

wonderfulname wrote: »

That's from the link above, I think we can safely call it a hate crime. Also, a hate crime can be perpetrated because someone is perceived to belong to a group, so for example, I could have walked in there in my glorious androgynous sunday attire of a giant hoodie and tracksuit bottoms and the same could have happened, would they be correct? No. Would their hate be any less because of that? No. Would it still be a hate crime? Yes.

Didn't see the article under the video

Seems more like a hate crime now all right.

Shield

Damn. I've seen enough victims of violent crime by now to be able to recognise the pain still in her eyes. She seems quite dignified about it though. Poor girl.

Links234

yawha wrote: »

To suggest that a crime might not be a hate crime is absolutely not victim blaming.

I most absolutely did NOT say or imply that

No, what's victim blaming is saying that the person in question "brewed up a ****storm" or was an "asshole". that's victim blaming.

yawha wrote: »

A hate crime is a crime that occurs when a victim is targeted because of their belonging to some group.


The question we must ask is do we automatically label any attack on/crime against a homosexual/transgendered/black/etc. person as a hate crime, and revise our classification when the facts come out, or do we reserve judgement on whether it was a hate crime or not until the facts come out.

I would go with the latter.

it's not just targeting someone because they belong to a group, it's sending a message to that group. like a black person who's dragged from a pickup in the american south, it's an excessively violent attack that's meant to send a message and inspire fear in that particular group. or like the trans woman who was shot and dragged to death in Arkansas just this year. or like what happened to Matthew Shepard. it's not just an attack on a member of a group, it's a message to everyone in that group, it's terrorism.

is this particular case a hate crime? maybe, maybe not.

should it be investigated as a hate crime? it most absolutely should.

Meesared

Ok ive been watching this story, and from what i can gather this woman went into the Ladies toilets in this restaurant, and the two girls who assaulted her took offence at this and wanted her to use the mens. The assaulted woman refused and thats when it kicked off.

Meesared

Johnnymcg wrote: »

and?

and what?

Annasopra

Meesared wrote: »

and what?

sorry i misunderstood your point

MissMoppet

You can also hear on the video what I presume is the person filming saying "shes a man" or something in that direction.

It's the fact that NOT ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES went to help this woman that disgusts me bar the actual attack.

wonderfulname

People don't want to get involved anymore, its not a hate thing its how we operate. This morning I came across a small enough fire on my morning walk, several joggers and walkers went by as I wandered round in toxic smoke ringing to the fire brigade and looking to see was there anyone in the vicinity. Nobody stopped, nobody even looked, I stuck around until the fire brigade came, still not one person even slowed down.

A year or two ago I stood up for some kids, and I mean children - 13/14 year olds, who had been descended upon by a gang of scumbags in a local park packed to the gills, I landed myself in a whole heap of trouble and everybody looked away without fail, sure afterwards one or two mothers came up and sympathised, asked was I ok... bit late really. People are in their own worlds now, there's no community or anything.

A video went up on AH of a teenage boy attacking a girl his age in a fast food place, again nobody helped her, funnily enough without an obvious motivation nobody made anything of that, and sure why would they, "its not their place to interfere". Thats just how people think, don't let it get to you. All you can do is lead by example but to be honest that's not advisable either, its bloody stupid.

AndrewJD

In this case, in a restaurant, a bit of the bystander effect probably kicked in. No individual employee felt it was their responsibility to break it up, so nobody did. It's not exactly in the job description to break up fights. What if an attacker had a knife? Had a gun? They may have feared being injured. They may have feared litigation. They may have been waiting for a manager who they felt was his responsibility. And they may have just been terrible people. It's easy in retrospect to say "Oh well I would have done this..." and it's another to be standing there when out of the blue this weird situation you didn't see brewing or understand completely is in front of you. Maybe it was a pervy man walking into the female toilets? I think it's a bit judgemental to blame everyone else. Sure, the attack shouldn't have happened. That's all you can really say.

It reminds me of when in a shopping centre, a middle-aged gentleman collapsed on the ground. People just crowded around him, looking. Some were saying "are you alright?" when he was clearly unconscious. Nobody checked breathing, pulse, nobody called store security. Nobody phoned an ambulance. It took one dude with a bit of lifeguarding experience to actually move in, and shout for help, when I came over and helped with CPR until the ambulance arrived. Not sure of what happened to the fellow. I don't blame everyone else for not knowing what to do. I don't blame them for nobody taking responsibility and doing something. They had no idea what to do. It's a completely human reaction to just stand, do nothing, and think "I wonder if somebody else will do something?". I think a bit of thats relevant in this case.

Anyway ramble over, my heart goes out to the victim, shouldn't have happened.

Azure_sky

I can't help but think that if the people who don't think it's a hate crime were strapped to a chair, and told that if they gave the wrong answer they would be electrocuted, they would all say it's a hate crime due to intuition.

Scepticism is good, but let's be honest we all know deep down what predicated the assault.

bitter_lemon

nobody wants to get involved in disputes.
i saw a guy with a blue shirt trying to intervene there.
i still don't have any evidence it was a hate crime. i still don't know what sparked it off. all i hear is the victim's side of the story and lets be honest shes hardly going to say anything that would implicate her.

who knows what happened?

she has plenty of charges herself! shes no angel.

bitter_lemon

Azure_sky wrote: »

I can't help but think that if the people who don't think it's a hate crime were strapped to a chair, and told that if they gave the wrong answer they would be electrocuted, they would all say it's a hate crime due to intuition.

Scepticism is good, but let's be honest we all know deep down what predicated the assault.

i personally am not sure it was a hate crime. i have no evidence. she could have got smart. she was already having hassle about using the toilets without eating there. maybe this was the start that aggravated it.

and if i was strapped into a chair for fear of being electrocuted i would say anything not out of intuition but of survival. silly analogy!

Annasopra

bitter_lemon wrote: »

i personally am not sure it was a hate crime. i have no evidence. she could have got smart. she was already having hassle about using the toilets without eating there. maybe this was the start that aggravated it.

what? can you explain what you mean by this?

Links234

bitter_lemon wrote: »

she has plenty of charges herself! shes no angel.

beautiful, more victim blaming :mad:

it's depressing that anyone has this kind of repugnant attitude.. this is the same kinda **** people say to defame and slander rape victims too, "she's no angel" etc.

bitter_lemon

Links234 wrote: »

beautiful, more victim blaming :mad:

it's depressing that anyone has this kind of repugnant attitude.. this is the same kinda **** people say to defame and slander rape victims too, "she's no angel" etc.

links i am treating her as a whole person here. i am not homing in on the transgender issue that obviously is making you not be objective and getting emotionally involved.
you are doing as much wrong as me in being behind her 100% without knowing the full facts.
i was throwing out scenarios - these are not facts.
except for the fact she is no angel - which she obviously isn't. that is a fact!

Links234

and you know, when this new first broke and they didn't know that the victim was transgender, people on other websites were roaring about this being a black-on-white hate crime, but as soon as details emerged that she was transgender, people changed their tune and started up with this kind of disgusting victim blaming. people's prejudices became pretty apparent :mad:

stay classy, humanity :rolleyes:

Annasopra

bitter_lemon wrote: »

except for the fact she is no angel - which she obviously isn't. that is a fact!

How is that relevant?

MissMoppet

Even if someone wasn't an angel the attack this person suffered should NOT BE INFLICTED ON ANYONE.

bitter_lemon

Links234 wrote: »

and you know, when this new first broke and they didn't know that the victim was transgender, people on other websites were roaring about this being a black-on-white hate crime, but as soon as details emerged that she was transgender, people changed their tune and started up with this kind of disgusting victim blaming. people's prejudices became pretty apparent :mad:

stay classy, humanity :rolleyes:

that does not reflect my attitude. i would say the same black on white. traveller on settled. man on woman etc etc.
there was no evidence. its other people that seem to be bring the transgender element into the limelight and scream "hate crime" from the rooftops.
if you step outside and try be a bit more objective and less subjective you might get what i am saying.

i wasn't there. the video evidence is crap. i don't know. what annoys me is people jumping to the defense of someone when they are not aware of the full story.

maybe you are just jumping to her defense because she is transgender.