West Brits or Boggers: whom do you hate most?

Seanchai

I've noticed that the people who get most offended by the term "West Brit" being used tend to be the first to call others "boggers". The latter is applied by them to anybody who is into Irish culture and is therefore "backward". Or so their reasoning goes.

Anyway, which of the two do you dislike most?

Dudess

I'm just offended by the term "west Brit" because it's a ****ing dumb phrase and people who use it aren't really able to define what they're talking about...

Biggins

Third option:
I hate those that like to see a divide as a method to cause friction!

I do NOT hate either!

Links234

I hate people who use the terms "west brit" and "boggers" the most.

phasers

Bogger =/= Cultured. It means somebody who lives in the countryside.

Xivilai

Lets put this ancient tendency to hate each other to bed people!

I accidentally voted bogger by the way

arybvtcw0eolkf

Boggers

Dudess wrote: »

I'm just offended by the term "west Brit" because it's a ****ing dumb phrase and people who use it aren't really able to define what they're talking about...

Bloody West Brit.

Son Of A Vidic

Boggers

Christ! another slight variant of a very, very tired subject matter.

Sonnenblumen

Who cares about such crap? I hate moronic questions.

My name is URL

Boggers

Dudess wrote: »

I'm just offended by the term "west Brit" because it's a ****ing dumb phrase and people who use it aren't really able to define what they're talking about...

Same could be said for 'bogger' tbh. I've seen people use it to refer to anyone who lives outside of the main cities.

Anyway, to me the term 'West Brit' signifies someone who champions British culture and history while making degrading comments about those who choose to cherish their Irish heritage. You see it here quite a bit in all fairness.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Boggers

My name is URL wrote: »

Anyway, to me the term 'West Brit' signifies someone who champions British culture and history while making degrading comments about those who choose to cherish their Irish heritage. You see it here quite a bit in all fairness.

+1

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Dudess

My name is URL wrote: »

Same could be said for 'bogger' tbh. I've seen people use it to refer to anyone who lives outside of the main cities.

Anyway, to me the term 'West Brit' signifies someone who champions British culture and history while making degrading comments about those who choose to cherish their Irish heritage. You see it here quite a bit in all fairness.

I know there are Irish people on this forum who go on about how backward etc "we" Irish are, and then like to wind people up by going on about how great Thatcher was etc, but then there are others who go on about how great America is, or anywhere... yet there's no equivalent for them. Most of the people who use the term "west Brit" post nothing but idiocy and many of them support the IRA.

stovelid

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ejmaztec

What about West-Brit Boggers, there must be some of them hiding somewhere?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Boggers

Dudess is a West Dub.

Latchy

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Christ! another slight variant of a very, very tired subject matter.

They come around in cycles .It used to be people living on the east coast of Dublin were referred to as west Brits because they received and had the cheek to tune into BBC/ITV channels

Yahew

Boggers

I have now decided that Plastic Paddies are East-Micks.

brianthebard

Boggers

Latchy wrote: »

They come around in cycles .It used to be people living on the east coast of Dublin were referred to as west Brits because they received and had the cheek to tune into BBC/ITV channels

That's not what the term meant.

ejmaztec

Latchy wrote: »

They come around on cycles .It used to be people living on the east coast of Dublin were referred to as west Brits because they received and had the cheek to tune into BBC/ITV channels

..and the boggers are on donkeys.:pac:

evercloserunion

I don't hate either. OP, do you not have anything better to be doing than assigning labels to people and then getting worked up about it?

Yahew

Boggers

brianthebard wrote: »

That's not what the term meant.

+1

The term is used by Joyce in The Dead.

EDIT:
Actually, not exactly.

"Well, I'm ashamed of you," said Miss Ivors frankly. "To say you'd write for a paper like that. I didn't think you were a West Briton."

Yahew

Boggers

evercloserunion wrote: »

I don't hate either. OP, do you not have anything better to be doing than assigning labels to people and then getting worked up about it?

I think the OP meant "Which of these terms do you hate the most".

Sunnyisland

Boggers

The term originates from 19th century Ireland and has evolved over the years. Nationalist leader Daniel O'Connell used it in the British House of Commons in 1832:

"The people of Ireland are ready to become a portion of the Empire, provided they be made so in reality and not in name alone; they are ready to become a kind of West Briton if made so in benefits and justice; but if not, we are Irishmen again."


Fyp

Chuck Stone

Get a life morans.

Dudess

evercloserunion wrote: »

I don't hate either. OP, do you not have anything better to be doing than assigning labels to people and then getting worked up about it?

Good point, even if I'll admit the term "west Brit" irks me. I won't go starting a thread on it though.

Latchy

brianthebard wrote: »

That's not what the term meant.

I'm not referring to it as a term of phrase used by an Irish Author .It was also used back in the seventies and eighties by people from the sticks in RTE one channel land who didn't like the idea of people living on the east coast of Ireland absorbing British culture , be it newspapers ,magazines,radio tv or any other form besides the standard Irish one .They would have in turn being referred to as Boggers or similar .

looksee

My daughter used get called a West Brit when she worked in a very small rural town. She had a neutral accent with a slight touch of Brit (because I have an english accent). There was no justification for the term, she was neither anti-Irish nor pro-British. It was just one of the reasons she was glad to get an opportunity to go to the USA - not a major reason, but constant sniping does eventually get on your nerves.

OP, its a beautiful sunny holiday weekend. I'm only here because I'm eating my lunch, then the garden calls. Have you nothing better to do than think up pathetic, divisive, pointless questions? Get out and enjoy this beautiful country.

sollar

Why would you hate either? Give me a decent reason why someone would hate a so called bogger or west brit??

KeithAFC

West Brits... they haven't gone away you know.

RichieC

Never heard the term westbrit in me life till I started playing regular here... and why would I hate culchies. half my family are culchies.

Yahew

Boggers

Latchy wrote: »

I'm not referring to it as a term of phrase used by an Irish Author .It was also used back in the seventies and eighties by people from the sticks in RTE one channel land who didn't like the idea of people living on the east coast of Ireland absorbing British culture , be it newspapers ,magazines,radio tv or any other form besides the standard Irish one .They would have in turn being referred to as Boggers or similar .

West-Brit never meant "People who watched the BBC".

Sh*t all Northern Irish "volunteers" watched the BBC.

Dudess

looksee wrote: »

My daughter used get called a West Brit when she worked in a very small rural town. She had a neutral accent with a slight touch of Brit (because I have an english accent). There was no justification for the term, she was neither anti-Irish nor pro-British. It was just one of the reasons she was glad to get an opportunity to go to the USA - not a major reason, but constant sniping does eventually get on your nerves.

I wouldn't blame her - what idiocy.

Latchy

Yahew wrote: »

West-Brit never meant "People who watched the BBC".

Sh*t all Northern Irish "volunteers" watched the BBC.

You're missing the point , people will drag out a coin of phrase to suit what ever it is they want to describe something or somebody ,regardless of what era it came from .Of course Northern Irish Volunteers watched the BBC , they had access to it .The people down in the deep south of Ireland didn't ( unless it was the bbc world service on radio ) at the time I'm referring to .

The lady above who said the constant sniping of her daughters accent was one reason her daughter went off to America would be referring to the same people I am to .

dlofnep

Boggers

To me - A West-Brit is a perfectly applicable name for people who scorn at Irish culture, while championing British culture - People who demean the efforts of those who fought for Irish independence. The type of people who are quick to defend or forgive the British Army's involvement in Ireland citing that it's "in the past", but conveniently bring up decades old activities of the IRA at every given opportunity. The type of person who would have blamed the civilians for their own deaths on Bloody Sunday.

They know who they are. It would probably take a chapter to explain their social profile in detail. It's not a term of endearment, so of course it will offend. That's it's intent.

Dudess

But calling them a "Brit" is like saying it's an insult to be called a "Brit" - which isn't very fair on Brits...

Latchy

You could argue that an Irish person who goes to live in uk and absorbs it's culture as much as his /her own is a west brit ( they are not but the silly term would be labeled on them by some ) But then any irish person who moves to any country is going to be surrounded by various cultures and can by right , become as involved in them as much as their own , as is their choice .

BraziliaNZ

I hate Irish dancing, "ballads", paddywhackery, in fact all forms of Irish "culture" that people refer to. I'm from Dublin. Does that make me a west brit?

stovelid

The problem is not a phrase that takes the piss out of people that ape the English; the problem is when the phrase is predominately used as shorthand to describe at best: anybody that fails to express an acceptably Irish response to particular issues and at worst: anybody that isn't a tub-thumping monument to Paddywhackery.

Yahew

Boggers

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I hate Irish dancing, "ballads", paddywhackery, in fact all forms of Irish "culture" that people refer to. I'm from Dublin. Does that make me a west brit?

Of course. You hate irish stuff, where did you think that left you? Imagine a French man from Calais, and he hated all French culture, and spoke English and read English newspapers and watched English football. South Brit?

Thats unlikely, of course, but Calais was part of Britain for a while.

brianthebard

Boggers

Latchy wrote: »

I'm not referring to it as a term of phrase used by an Irish Author .It was also used back in the seventies and eighties by people from the sticks in RTE one channel land who didn't like the idea of people living on the east coast of Ireland absorbing British culture , be it newspapers ,magazines,radio tv or any other form besides the standard Irish one .They would have in turn being referred to as Boggers or similar .

I'm not talking about an author either, the term existed long before that and means a lot more than something to do with tv stations, the people on the east coast in question were not called west brits because of their aerials as you allege, they had been called that long beforehand by certain people.

Latchy

brianthebard wrote: »

I'm not talking about an author either, the term existed long before that and means a lot more than something to do with tv stations, the people on the east coast in question were not called west brits because of their aerials as you allege, they had been called that long beforehand by certain people.

I never said it didn't and you assume I had never heard of the term in it's historical context before when I had .It's probably being used and bandied about by loads of up from that time to

If you look again you will see I said that '' it was used '' in the 70s and 80s as a term of reference by some people during a period back then to describe another group of people .At no time did I say it was only time it was ever used or that it wasn't around , long long before .

Balmed Out

I wouldnt be bothered by either but the word paddywhakery does annoy me.
Never use the term west brit but would sometimes tell the gf how much i like her bogger accent and can she say "did ye see me potatoes" for me.

OutlawPete

Bloggers, definitely bloggers.

Seanchai

Boggers

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Get a life morans.

Yes, the whole family of them.

Wolfe Tone

Boggers

I very rarely use the term west Brit manly because it has been misused so much.

If you are Irish and basically hate Irish culture and the revolutionary efforts of say Pearse and co, you are a west Brit.

Latchy

stovelid wrote: »

The problem is not a phrase that takes the piss out of people that ape the English; the problem is when the phrase is predominately used as shorthand to describe at best: anybody that fails to express an acceptably Irish response to particular issues and at worst: anybody that isn't a tub-thumping monument to Paddywhackery.

I concur .


And similiar to my dislike of the term Plastic Paddy

mk6705

Boggers

My name is URL wrote: »

Same could be said for 'bogger' tbh. I've seen people use it to refer to anyone who lives outside of the main cities.

Main cities? It's used by Dubs to refer to anyone Irish but not from Dublin...Doesn't matter if they live in the centre of Cork, they're still a "bogger". For me it makes Dubs look untravelled and ignorant however...

Mr Cork Man

I find this thread to be very ironic considering that Dubs are West Brits anyway.:pac:

Wibbs

RichieC wrote: »

Never heard the term westbrit in me life till I started playing regular here... and why would I hate culchies. half my family are culchies.

For me there's a big diff between culchies and boggers. Boggers aren't a geographical description. EG Bertie Ahern? Dub born and bred. Bogger. Eamon O'Cueeeeeeeeev, Dub born. Tremendous bogger. John B Keane? Was a Glorious culchie Not within sniffing distance of a being a bogger.

looksee wrote: »

Have you nothing better to do than think up pathetic, divisive, pointless questions? Get out and enjoy this beautiful country.

Looksee, I think you've zeroed in on what a bogger is. One who for pretty silly and narrow minded and second hand opinions and "facts" decides to be pathetic, divisive and pointless. Stovelid completes the profile "anybody that fails to express an acceptably Irish response to particular issues and at worst: anybody that isn't a tub-thumping monument to Paddywhackery".

Seanchai

Boggers

stovelid wrote: »

the problem is when the phrase is predominately used as shorthand to describe at best: anybody that fails to express an acceptably Irish response to particular issues and at worst: anybody that isn't a tub-thumping monument to Paddywhackery.

Curiously for one with a problem with the term "West Brit", you've been very keen to label people who don't share your cultural affinities as boggers. If I recall you're also on record with several impressive rants against what you termed "bog ball".

It doesn't sound like you're adverse yourself to labelling "anybody that fails to express an acceptably English response to particular issues and at worst: anybody that isn't a tub-thumping monument to West Britonry."

Latchy

Mr Cork Man wrote: »

I find this thread to be very ironic considering that Dubs are West Brits anyway.:pac:

Anything good on them forrin channels tonight ?