Many Anglicans Will Become Catholic This Easter

Keylem

Personal ordinariate will bring nearly 1,000 people into the Church.

Share by SIMON CALDWELL (CNS) 04/21/2011

LONDON (CNS) — The first personal ordinariate created for former Anglicans who decided to enter the Catholic Church will reach almost 1,000 by the end of the Easter vigil.

The count of people entering the personal ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham includes more than 60 former Anglican clergy.

The personal ordinariate was established under Pope Benedict XVI’s November 2009 apostolic constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus. It allows the group reception of former Anglicans into the Catholic Church while allowing them to retain much of their distinctive patrimony, including married priests, as well as their liturgical practices.

Msgr. Keith Newton, who heads the ordinariate, told Catholic News Service that although he was incardinated into the structure after it was established by Vatican decree Jan. 15, it was only during Holy Week that he felt it was coming alive.

“This is the start of it. The lay faithful moving into the Catholic Church is really the start of the ordinariate. Until now, there have been only about a dozen members, but now it is growing to between 900 and a thousand,” he said.

“It is not an enormous number of people in Catholic terms, or even for the Church of England, but it is quite significant that such a number of people are making this step together,” Msgr. Newton added.

LINK: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news...c-this-easter/

getz

Keylem wrote: »

Personal ordinariate will bring nearly 1,000 people into the Church.

Share by SIMON CALDWELL (CNS) 04/21/2011

LONDON (CNS) — The first personal ordinariate created for former Anglicans who decided to enter the Catholic Church will reach almost 1,000 by the end of the Easter vigil.

The count of people entering the personal ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham includes more than 60 former Anglican clergy.

The personal ordinariate was established under Pope Benedict XVI’s November 2009 apostolic constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus. It allows the group reception of former Anglicans into the Catholic Church while allowing them to retain much of their distinctive patrimony, including married priests, as well as their liturgical practices.

Msgr. Keith Newton, who heads the ordinariate, told Catholic News Service that although he was incardinated into the structure after it was established by Vatican decree Jan. 15, it was only during Holy Week that he felt it was coming alive.

“This is the start of it. The lay faithful moving into the Catholic Church is really the start of the ordinariate. Until now, there have been only about a dozen members, but now it is growing to between 900 and a thousand,” he said.

“It is not an enormous number of people in Catholic terms, or even for the Church of England, but it is quite significant that such a number of people are making this step together,” Msgr. Newton added.

LINK: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news...c-this-easter/

good luck to them, they still believe the earth is flat

alois

As a devout Catholic I cringed when I saw this post. I don't think inflammatory threads like this help anyone.

philologos

Let them at it, there are people going from RCC to Anglicanism too. Personally I don't see the point of gloating about people moving between churches. It is about bringing people who don't know Jesus to Him and it is God's work and not ours. Swapping people between churches doesn't do that it just puffs up egos.

Keylem

alois wrote: »

As a devout Catholic I cringed when I saw this post. I don't think inflammatory threads like this help anyone.

As a devout Catholic I rejoiced at the news, why would you cringe? It wasn't meant to be inflammatory. :mad:

As this is a Christian Forum, and no seperate Catholic Forum, I thought I would post it here.

From what I gather Anglican ministers were unhappy with the way their church was going, SS marriage, women clergy etc., so they left!!

http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/2011/01/more-anglican-priests-to-join-catholic.html

getz

Jakkass wrote: »

Let them at it, there are people going from RCC to Anglicanism too. Personally I don't see the point of gloating about people moving between churches. It is about bringing people who don't know Jesus to Him and it is God's work and not ours. Swapping people between churches doesn't do that it just puffs up egos.

its not what is being said,its what isent being said,the catholic church is losing priests everyday, this is the problem.italy cardinal ruini said that the problem is acute,camerino,san severino march diocess has not ordained a priest for 16 years. the number of priests in england and wales has fallen from 7000 in 1980 to 5,500.and half the priests are over 60. honduras has fewer than 400 priests to serve five million catholics.canadian bishop has patitioned the vatican to ordain married deacons to priesthood ,the diocese has 19 priests to serve 30,000 catholics. australia with five million catholics has only 80 seminarians for the entire country,in the US 27% of US parishes do not have a resident priest.the archdioses of ottawa appointed a group of pastorial coordinators,lay people and religious woman to preform ,marriages,baptisms and funerals,[the appointments made in accordance of the code of canon law] all i am saying it is good for the catholic church but to little to late.to get their numbers back up they will have to bring themselfs into the 21st century ,

Keylem

Jakkass wrote: »

Let them at it, there are people going from RCC to Anglicanism too. Personally I don't see the point of gloating about people moving between churches. It is about bringing people who don't know Jesus to Him and it is God's work and not ours. Swapping people between churches doesn't do that it just puffs up egos.

It's also about bringing people to the 'Truth' about God. SS marriage and Women Clergy doesn't seem to cut it for some. Many Anglicans are saddened the way their church is going, same as Catholics are saddened about Clerical abuse!

Keylem

getz wrote: »

its not what is being said,its what isent being said,the catholic church is losing priests everyday, this is the problem.italy cardinal ruini said that the problem is acute,camerino,san severino march diocess has not ordained a priest for 16 years. the number of priests in england and wales has fallen from 7000 in 1980 to 5,500.and half the priests are over 60. honduras has fewer than 400 priests to serve five million catholics.canadian bishop has patitioned the vatican to ordain married deacons to priesthood ,the diocese has 19 priests to serve 30,000 catholics. australia with five million catholics has only 80 seminarians for the entire country,in the US 27% of US parishes do not have a resident priest.the archdioses of ottawa appointed a group of pastorial coordinators,lay people and religious woman to preform ,marriages,baptisms and funerals,[the appointments made in accordance of the code of canon law] all i am saying it is good for the catholic church but to little to late.to get their numbers back up they will have to bring themselfs into the 21st century ,

Sometimes God works in mysterious ways, it may be that our future clergy may come from other denominations. The Church began with just 12 Apostles!

As for bringing themselves into the 21st Century, they did fine during the other 20 centuries.

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. (Matt: 24:35) To put it bluntly the world will change etc., but the words of Christ doesn't!

philologos

Keylem wrote: »

It's about bringing people to the 'Truth' abouth God. SS marriage and Women Clergy doesn't seem to cut it for some. Many Anglicans are saddened the way their church is going, same as Catholics are saddened about Clerical abuse!

I don't think the RCC has a greater grasp of the truth than any other Christian church which faithfully teaches the Gospel. I also don't believe that the RCC is in any less difficulty right now than Anglicanism is.

Most Catholics who post on here don't know the full story of what is going on in the Anglican Communion and indeed has been since 2003.

It isn't simply just conservative Anglicans who are going to Rome, but those who are conservative who are inclined towards Catholicism. Those who are conservative but Reformed are staying and want to influence Anglicanism from within rather than dropping and leaving. Hence why there were issues in the US because Anglican churches were splitting from the Episcopal Church of the USA. I see this split as also being destructive even as someone who would be inclined towards a more conservative viewpoint.

Personally I think it is better in Anglicanism that there is a discussion what issues there are in the church openly rather than hiding them.

getz

Keylem wrote: »

Sometimes God works in mysterious ways, it may be that our future clergy may come from other denominations. The Church began with just 12 Apostles!

As for bringing themselves into the 21st Century, they did fine during the other 20 centuries.

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. (Matt: 24:35) To put it bluntly the world will change etc., but the words of Christ doesn't!

you may well be right,the big problem that is facing the churches ,protestant and catholic in this day and age i,s that people are more educated than their ancestors,like 12 apostles,the new testament states there were 19 apostles,jesus picked 12,matthias was picked to replace judas,paul was a apostle,barnabus,james[jesus brother],anoronicus and junia,christ himself was considered a apostle,heb 3.1,to be a apostle. according to 1cor 1.1& 9,you must have seen the lord and been called directly to him,i would also consider mary magdalene a apostle[apostle to the apostles] the main reason churches fell into the number 12 trap was because to the jews 12 was a sacred number[12 tribes of israel ect]

Festus

Jakkass wrote: »

I don't think the RCC has a greater grasp of the truth than any other Christian church which faithfully teaches the Gospel.

Which other Christian church faithfully teaches the Gospel, or teaches the Gospel faithfully?

Beyond the Catholic church there are any tens of thousands of ways the Gospel is taught. Which one is faithful to the truth?

There can be only one truth and if, in your opinion the Catholic church doesn't grasp it, then who does? You?

Festus

Keylem wrote: »

Personal ordinariate will bring nearly 1,000 people into the Church.


“This is the start of it. The lay faithful moving into the Catholic Church is really the start of the ordinariate. Until now, there have been only about a dozen members, but now it is growing to between 900 and a thousand,” he said.

Rock on guys, Come on in. We've been waiting and we'll wait for all of ye

georgieporgy

getz wrote: »

you may well be right,the big problem that is facing the churches ,protestant and catholic in this day and age i,s that people are more educated than their ancestors,like 12 apostles,the new testament states there were 19 apostles,jesus picked 12,matthias was picked to replace judas,paul was a apostle,barnabus,james[jesus brother],anoronicus and junia,christ himself was considered a apostle,heb 3.1,to be a apostle. according to 1cor 1.1& 9,you must have seen the lord and been called directly to him,i would also consider mary magdalene a apostle[apostle to the apostles] the main reason churches fell into the number 12 trap was because to the jews 12 was a sacred number[12 tribes of israel ect]

this would be somewhat of a novel view, no?

philologos

Festus wrote: »

Which other Christian church faithfully teaches the Gospel, or teaches the Gospel faithfully?

I believe that churches of varying denominations do this, even many Anglican churches, not all but many. Indeed, many Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Baptist and churches of other denominations preach clearly as to what the Gospel is. It isn't a gift endowed to any one denomination more so than others.

Festus wrote: »

Beyond the Catholic church there are any tens of thousands of ways the Gospel is taught. Which one is faithful to the truth?

What is Biblical as I would see it.

Festus wrote: »

There can be only one truth and if, in your opinion the Catholic church doesn't grasp it, then who does? You?

The Christian message as is established in Scripture is the truth. The Christian message is what makes us Christians. Being a Catholic is pretty useless unless you believe in the foundations of the Christian gospel as is being Protestant, or Orthodox for that matter.

hinault

Keylem wrote: »

As a devout Catholic I rejoiced at the news, why would you cringe? It wasn't meant to be inflammatory. :mad:

As this is a Christian Forum, and no seperate Catholic Forum, I thought I would post it here.

From what I gather Anglican ministers were unhappy with the way their church was going, SS marriage, women clergy etc., so they left!!

http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/2011/01/more-anglican-priests-to-join-catholic.html

We need our own Roman Catholic sub forum.

As regards admitting Anglicans to the Roman Catholic Church? Allowing Anglican clergy to maintain their lifestyle within the RCC seems wrong to me.
Admit them as laity for sure.
But the RCC should not confer Holy Orders on these former Anglicans.

Donatello

hinault wrote: »

We need our own Roman Catholic sub forum.

As regards admitting Anglicans to the Roman Catholic Church? Allowing Anglican clergy to maintain their lifestyle within the RCC seems wrong to me.
Admit them as laity for sure.
But the RCC should not confer Holy Orders on these former Anglicans.

I would support an RC forum but I don't think there is the Catholic population to support it. It could be fierce quiet. On the other hand, there is an independent Catholic Ireland forum here (although it looks fairly quit too tbh), so it could work if Catholics were given their own forum.

Anyhow, I had a question. I don't know if anyone on here can answer it, but I was wondering if there is any appetite of any CoI folks coming over to Rome? I spoke about it to a friend's father but he was like no way. So I dunno. Anyone got any thoughts on that? Are there any trad Anglicans in Ireland who might come over?

PDN

Keylem wrote: »

As a devout Catholic I rejoiced at the news, why would you cringe? It wasn't meant to be inflammatory. :mad:

As this is a Christian Forum, and no seperate Catholic Forum, I thought I would post it here.

Think of it this way. Every day hundreds, if not thousands, of Roman Catholics in Latin America become Pentecostals.

Do you understand that if I posted a thread crowing about that then it would come across as insensitive and inflammatory to the RC posters here?

Donatello

PDN wrote: »

Think of it this way. Every day hundreds, if not thousands, of Roman Catholics in Latin America become Pentecostals.

Do you understand that if I posted a thread crowing about that then it would come across as insensitive and inflammatory to the RC posters here?

That's just proof positive that we in the Catholic Church have not been doing our job. (Bishops and priests - a lot of the blame/responsibility rests at your feet!).

We'd take it on the chin as the wake-up call it is.

Festus

PDN wrote: »

Think of it this way. Every day hundreds, if not thousands, of Roman Catholics in Latin America become Pentecostals.

The Bible does support the concept that Apostasy will preceed the Judgement Day.

Guess we're seeing that in spades

Keylem

PDN wrote: »

Think of it this way. Every day hundreds, if not thousands, of Roman Catholics in Latin America become Pentecostals.

Do you understand that if I posted a thread crowing about that then it would come across as insensitive and inflammatory to the RC posters here?

Not to me it would, to those who leave the RC Church, it would be their loss.

"For many are invited, but few are chosen." Matthew 22:14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." Matthew 7:13

BrianCalgary

One thing I found disturbing on this thread was the desire to have a seperate RC sub-forum. There-in lies the problem of Christianity in todays world.
Why the need to be seperate?

As for being faithful to the gospel, the main tenet of Christianity is summed up very nicely in both the Nicean Creed and the Apostles Creed, which every denomination agrees upon. Everything else is secondary to Christian understanding.

I classify myself as an evangelical yet the ministry I do is in the Catholic school system. Here I work with very devout Catholics. I go to mass at one of the schools every week that it is offered and on Sunday I am at my evangelical church. I feel comfy in both and uncomfy in both at different times. Yet in both I encounter God.

The people I work with at the schools and myself share a common interest: helping teenagers grow in their relationship with Jesus Christ.

Sorry, but the one thing I can't stomach is the position of 'my denomination is the 'one' true denomination', it is a divisive stance and one that I dont think God would be very appreciative of as He has declared for His people to minister where He decides.

1 Cor 1:10
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.

Festus

BrianCalgary wrote: »

One thing I found disturbing on this thread was the desire to have a seperate RC sub-forum. There-in lies the problem of Christianity in todays world.
Why the need to be seperate?

Quite right. What we need is a Christian forum that is ostensibly Catholic and any number of sub-fora for the protesters. Much like the real world.

BrianCalgary wrote: »

Sorry, but the one thing I can't stomach is the position of 'my denomination is the 'one' true denomination', it is a divisive stance and one that I dont think God would be very appreciative of as He has declared for His people to minister where He decides.

1 Cor 1:10
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.

We were all Christians united under one universal Catholic Church, apart for the odd heretical sect, until someone had a hissy fit and decided that disobedience was preferable.

Would that more of our separated brothers and sisters would take note of Corinthians, swallow their pride, and return to the Church.

Keylem

BrianCalgary wrote: »

One thing I found disturbing on this thread was the desire to have a seperate RC sub-forum. There-in lies the problem of Christianity in todays world.
Why the need to be seperate?

As for being faithful to the gospel, the main tenet of Christianity is summed up very nicely in both the Nicean Creed and the Apostles Creed, which every denomination agrees upon. Everything else is secondary to Christian understanding.

I classify myself as an evangelical yet the ministry I do is in the Catholic school system. Here I work with very devout Catholics. I go to mass at one of the schools every week that it is offered and on Sunday I am at my evangelical church. I feel comfy in both and uncomfy in both at different times. Yet in both I encounter God.

The people I work with at the schools and myself share a common interest: helping teenagers grow in their relationship with Jesus Christ.

Sorry, but the one thing I can't stomach is the position of 'my denomination is the 'one' true denomination', it is a divisive stance and one that I dont think God would be very appreciative of as He has declared for His people to minister where He decides.

1 Cor 1:10
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.

The Catholic Church is not a denomination it is THE original Church established by Christ in the 1st century, all other christian churches are spin-offs.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/origin.htm

JimiTime

Here's a question, is Festus representative of a REAL RC? At the end of the day, he seems to have institutional backups for much of his anti-christian diatribes. Is it that the more, shall we say, classy, practising RC's here are just not fervent about their Churches teaching?

Is it Festus that is actually closer to revealing the RCC rather than what we would consider the more Christian members? I mean, how often do we see Christians wade into discussions declaring that 'God doesn't mind fornication etc', or 'he doesn't care if you sinned, you are still his child' etc. Only to be greeted by slaps on the back saying 'yeah, you are a REAL Christian etc', when in actual fact, he's just presenting something that isn't so. I like to think of Prinz, lmaopml etc as fellow Christians who happen to be RC's, and look at THEM as more representative. Is it a case though, that these are Christians IN SPITE of the RCC, and that people like Festus are actually MORE representative of the RCC? Would like to hear if the other catholics can show if Festus is actually unrepresentative of the RCC, because as irritating as his anti christian diatribes are, he does seem to have a solid RC basis for them. What say yee?

Slav

Christ is risen!

How would you describe that state of the Christianity forum on boards.ie where when you see another portion of good "Catholic vs Protestant" trolling you don't go get yourself some popcorn any more as you're pretty sure there won't be any good show?

homer911

Slav wrote: »

How would you describe that state of the Christianity forum on boards.ie

Thankfully this is one thread and not representative of the entire forum. The small number of RC posters on this particular thread are doing themselves and the Christian Faith a great dis-service. Let's use this forum to encourage one another, answer questions from believers and non-believers and debate issues that really matter. Nothing thrills Satan (and all the atheists following this thread) more than "Christians" acting like this. We are called to be witnesses to Christ - lets set an example!(and sorry to the mods if this sounds like back seat modding but I am quite annoyed by the "puffed up pride" that some posters are exhibiting on this thread and it is a terrible example of Christian witness)

Morbert

Keylem, do you believe non-catholic Christians will get into heaven? If you consider how the RC Church has screwed the pooch regarding much of Christ's teachings, I can't see God chastising "apostates".

Keylem

Morbert wrote: »

Keylem, do you believe non-catholic Christians will get into heaven? If you consider how the RC Church has screwed the pooch regarding much of Christ's teachings, I can't see God chastising "apostates".

I absolutely believe that anyone CAN get to heaven but they will be few in number and that includes Catholics.

http://www.unitypublishing.com/Moral/FewSaved.htm

The Catholic Church holds the fullness of the truth, I also believe other christian denominations teach some truth.

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=24659

Keylem

homer911 wrote: »

Thankfully this is one thread and not representative of the entire forum. The small number of RC posters on this particular thread are doing themselves and the Christian Faith a great dis-service. Let's use this forum to encourage one another, answer questions from believers and non-believers and debate issues that really matter. Nothing thrills Satan (and all the atheists following this thread) more than "Christians" acting like this. We are called to be witnesses to Christ - lets set an example!(and sorry to the mods if this sounds like back seat modding but I am quite annoyed by the "puffed up pride" that some posters are exhibiting on this thread and it is a terrible example of Christian witness)

Maybe from your prospective it may look like it's puffed up pride, but I can assure you it's not. The reason for posting this thread is, in SPITE of the carry on of some of the clergy in the CC. there are still some people who agree with the DOCTRINE of the Church. I don't base my belief on what the clergy do, but on the Magisterium of the Church, handed down by Christ through the Apostles and their successors.

Donatello

JimiTime wrote: »

Here's a question, is Festus representative of a REAL RC? At the end of the day, he seems to have institutional backups for much of his anti-christian diatribes. Is it that the more, shall we say, classy, practising RC's here are just not fervent about their Churches teaching?

Is it Festus that is actually closer to revealing the RCC rather than what we would consider the more Christian members? I mean, how often do we see Christians wade into discussions declaring that 'God doesn't mind fornication etc', or 'he doesn't care if you sinned, you are still his child' etc. Only to be greeted by slaps on the back saying 'yeah, you are a REAL Christian etc', when in actual fact, he's just presenting something that isn't so. I like to think of Prinz, lmaopml etc as fellow Christians who happen to be RC's, and look at THEM as more representative. Is it a case though, that these are Christians IN SPITE of the RCC, and that people like Festus are actually MORE representative of the RCC?

That is quite a judgemental post. Some people, myself included, are zealous for the faith, and sometimes, we get it wrong in our approach. But to then declare a person, on this basis, as not a real Christian, is a bit much. We are all on a learning curve - learning to become perfect as Christ is perfect.

It's also quite horrible in the attitude expressed towards the Catholic Church. Look at the glorious lives of the saints, there you will see what all Catholics, indeed, all men, are called to: perfect holiness. And also you might look at the Catechism of the Catholic Church if you want to know what the Church believes and teaches.

It's always the way that the person, be it on the web or in a parish, be he a priest or a layman, who upholds the Church teaching (usually on a matter of sexual morality) is rigid, un-pastoral, lacking in compassion, whilst the person who dissents from Church teaching, especially be he a priest, is labelled compassionate, despite the 'rigid and oppressive teachings' of his Church.

True compassion presents the truth, even if it is difficult, because people need the truth which Christ desired to give them.

BrianCalgary

Unfortunate responses, but not unexpected and you would be chastised by the parishes I work with as being un Christ like.
For teh record I am neither protestant nor Catholic as both have their identity in Rome. My identity is wrapped up serving Jesus Christ.

The elitist attitude brings smiles onto the faces of Satans minions and disregards the message of St Paul in Corinthians.

I have seen the same attitude displayed by zealous protestant in their slamming of the RC's. Similarly un Christ like behaviour.