what's left of the peoples park *Mod warning Post 44*

tonyheaney

I am all in favour for growth and culture but come on there putting another building in to peoples park. why not pot the gallery some place else? there is a perfectly good green out side the park.

I would like to know why the council eating away at the peoples park one bit at a time?? in a few years there will be nothing left... no park nothing but the "peoples walk way" a small slip way from one end to the other.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/lifestyle/entertainment/limerick_city_gallery_of_art_all_set_for_summer_reopening_1_2593618

Insect Overlord

Sure the only thing that new section will affect is where the pigeons will sit...

steveon

I totally agree its a disgrace and the new section is a complete eyesore, Im all for a new gallery if they have even attempted to blend it in with the existing building but they havent ...as a result they have ruined the entire building..and if memory serves me right the council were told there was to be no more development done in there by the russell familys desendant after the disgraceful apparments they built there...and there way of keeping him sweet was to use some of the money they got for selling the peoples land was to make a new enterance on the side facing colbert train station...which they claimed cost €50,000

tonyheaney

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Sure the only thing that new section will affect is where the pigeons will sit...

that is true but whit that horrid department block on one side and now this what else is next? a Starbucks and a maccki Ds?

tonyheaney

steveon wrote: »

I totally agree its a disgrace and the new section is a complete eyesore, Im all for a new gallery if they have even attempted to blend it in with the existing building but they havent ...as a result they have ruined the entire building..and if memory serves me right the council were told there was to be no more development done in there by the russell familys desendant after the disgraceful apparments they built there...and there way of keeping him sweet was to use some of the money they got for selling the peoples land was to make a new enterance on the side facing colbert train station...which they claimed cost €50,000

plenty of buildings around limerick to move the art gallery for gods sake i.e. http://www.limerickevents.com/index.php/navigation-mainmenu-30/local-news/2808-friars-generous-gift-remains-unopened.html

what about putting all in to: http://www.limerickcity.ie/Environment/ParksandOpenSpaces/ArthursQuayPark/

just to name 2 hell ill even throw in the old Dunnes that could do with knocking down and made in t an art gallery

AND YES ITS THE "PEOPLES PARK" WE should have a say

steveon

Part of the new building is exactly that a coffee shop...no need there are plenty of coffee shops less than 2 mins walk from there a complete disgrace and as a local resident I am disheartened by it all

tonyheaney

steveon wrote: »

Part of the new building is exactly that a coffee shop...no need there are plenty of coffee shops less than 2 mins walk from there a complete disgrace and as a local resident I am disheartened by it all

Sounds like we should change the name of the park to "hey you, smuck, ya you with the pocket fulla cash, you wanna build a burgermacking in here?"

thank you but no that you its an utter disgrace

and another ting across the road there was a block of old houses demolished why not build there? what to far to walk to the art place??

chalkitdown

But hey, it's tax free building.

zuroph

i like it.

maryk123

As a regular user of peoples park I welcome the building especially if there is a coffee shop and a bloody toilet. I dont know how many times I have had to leave the park and the outside portaloo doesnt always work. There maybe coffee shops near the park but if you have children you have to take them out of the park to get a coffee.

Also no toilets in our public parks is an absolute disgrace, I love the park on the shelbourne road and we have to leave again no toilets honeslty in this day and age.

So I will welcome gladly the building

I have been recently to London where the parks had coffee shops and little cafes where the kids could have their lunch and then could play around the park afterwards as well, there is also an outside area where you could sit and watch the children. Something like this would be fab if it was properly run.

kilburn

jesus h christ here we go again !

whats wrong with it ? nothing! if it makes more tourists go to the park and gallery happy days !

tonyheaney

chalkitdown wrote: »

But hey, it's tax free building.

lol so you would be coool if the moved the skate park to the peoples park? pave the whole park in crazy paving? taxfree? :rolleyes:

zuroph

tonyheaney wrote: »

lol so you would be coool if the moved the skate park to the peoples park? pave the whole park in crazy paving? taxfree? :rolleyes:

Its an art gallery, and an extension to an existing art gallery, in a beautiful area of the city, If they didnt build it there people on here would be giving out that the council had "abandoned" that area of the city. blah blah blah, The contrast between old and new is deliberate, and the light the glass will let in will be beautiful, as will the view from inside the gallery, across the park.

The park is massive, a small section used for public amenities is no loss at all, its an improvement.

AS for your skate park reference, whats the difference between that and the childrens playground, they tore up your precious grass to fit rubber tiled multicoloured flooring. Did that take away from the park or make it better?

A peoples park needs people.

Amazotheamazing

One thing that could be done is to enlarge the park by moving the Parnell st/Edward St road and incorporate the large, mostly underutilised green space between the Park and the row of houses backing on to Jackman park.

It would be a massive job but it could alter the area significantly. If those houses are being knocked (a good few of them are shut now) that land could be given over to Jackman Park to help develop a proper little ground there.

tishandy

I havent been to the park since last summer. I visited two days ago and I was very Impressed with the building work.
I thought ,Wow won't it be nice to be to see into the gallery and the art displayed through the large glass panels. Kind of bringing the gallery into the park and vice versa.
Now if its a coffee shop it will be a bit of a shame but I'm sure it will be done tastefully.
All that was there before was a corner of the park that had bushes where users went into, from the odd beer can, syringe , rubbish I saw on the one occasion i had to venture there, My daughter was bursting and being potty trained and I had to bring her to that corner as of course the public toilets were out of order.
When I asked the warden why were the toilets closed he said because it was being used by junkies, and to never use them just go to the station instead.
So at least now there will be an area we can get a drink and use the loos without having to go further into town.

steveon

The new extension is an eyesore and has ruined an absolutely beautiful building, they have covered it with glass on every corner instead of trying to make it look somewhat original so they have taken away the character of the existing building and turn it into an oversized greenhouse. As I already stated they were warned not to build any more in the park, 5 yrs previous they claimed they didnt need the space at the oppostite side of the park, destroying all the greenhouses there and houses that were hundreds of yrs old and taken in land that wasnt even there's in the first place..

I am not against the gallery been extended or a coffee shop and I agree there should be toilets in the park but this should have been done in the space they build horrible appartments in and the gallery could have been moved to perhaps where KINGS John castle is..perhaps as its is all empty and again another waste of money..

I live beside the park and I hate it being ruined by idiots that dont know what there doing.

phog

I think some people are losing the run of themsleves, how much of the park is actually after disappearing with all the buildings that have been erected in recent years?

The best suggetion I've seen here is to extend the park to take in the green area between Hyde Rd and the park itself, it would mean religning the roads there but it's doable.

I wouldn't be in favour of moving the gallery either, it's close enough to the city centre and anything that keeps people in the city centre is only a good thing.

jmch81

"Won't somebody please think of the children!"
:eek:

tonyheaney

phog wrote: »

I think some people are losing the run of themsleves, how much of the park is actually after disappearing with all the buildings that have been erected in recent years?

The best suggetion I've seen here is to extend the park to take in the green area between Hyde Rd and the park itself, it would mean religning the roads there but it's doable.

RE: I wouldn't be in favour of moving the gallery either, it's close enough to the city centre and anything that keeps people in the city centre is only a good thing.

What about the old dunnes or ther church near it??

phog

tonyheaney wrote: »

What about the old dunnes or ther church near it??

How much would it cost to move the gallery to either location? You'd probably have people moaning that there's no suitable parking in the neighbourhood as well. Sometimes it feels like it's better do nothing than try and improve something.

I really dont see the issue with extending the current gallery.

Mc Love

phog wrote: »

I think some people are losing the run of themsleves, how much of the park is actually after disappearing with all the buildings that have been erected in recent years?

The best suggetion I've seen here is to extend the park to take in the green area between Hyde Rd and the park itself, it would mean religning the roads there but it's doable.

Thats the best suggestion I have heard!

Amazotheamazing

phog wrote: »

I think some people are losing the run of themsleves, how much of the park is actually after disappearing with all the buildings that have been erected in recent years?

The best suggetion I've seen here is to extend the park to take in the green area between Hyde Rd and the park itself, it would mean religning the roads there but it's doable.

I wouldn't be in favour of moving the gallery either, it's close enough to the city centre and anything that keeps people in the city centre is only a good thing.

It would also completely alter how people see Limerick when they arrive at the train station.

Imagine arriving and instead of seeing a semi derelict street you saw a top class park, much like you see in Galway. If the houses by Jackman are being knocked there's really a massive chance to change that entire section of town for the better.

phog

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

It would also completely alter how people see Limerick when they arrive at the train station.

Imagine arriving and instead of seeing a semi derelict street you saw a top class park, much like you see in Galway. If the houses by Jackman are being knocked there's really a massive chance to change that entire section of town for the better.

Right maybe everyone here should write to Clr. Maria Byrne and get her moving on this before she vacates the mayors office, it will give her a chance to lay down a marker for her year in the office.

Mc Love

Plus i could meet her and get her to meet us if we wanted to go down that route (have connections) but if you wrote to her she could meet us too - is time for a new thread perhaps?

Poxyshamrock

You could easily just widen the road from Colbert Station to Careys Road Junction and make it a two way...thus eliminating the need for the road in front of the park. This would make it easy to extend the park outwards.

Actually messed around with the aeriel view of the park on Google maps and it looks pretty straight forward.

Amazotheamazing

Rather than writing letters to the Mayor, people should gather together and find out if whoever runs the park wants it extended, who actually owns the People's Park and who owns the land, etc. Start a proper movement, a once off letter campaign will lead nowhere.

It's also worth asking, imo, is why that land wasn't in the original park. Was it intended as a side of Georgian buildings, did something else stand there, how long has the road been there, what was there before etc?

If people are serious about this they need to accept it'll be a long, long struggle that will take a lot of reports, consultations about rights of way, discussions with community groups etc.

As sure as anything, this incredibly obvious suggestion must have occurred to other people before.

Still, it's a project worth pursuing if people think they have the stomach for it.

phog

Last night I got the city councillors email addresses and sent them off an email about extending the park I also linked this thread. Lets see if I get a response.

Cookiemunster

http://maps.google.ie/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=52.658014,-8.627143&spn=0.003339,0.00677&t=h&z=17
Here is an arial picture of the park. It's quite obvous that the area taken by the extension is tiny compared to the size of the park. Also those apartments, while not that pleasant visually didn't really take any land that was in use to the public. They were built on the area that the wardens stored their equipment.
While i like the idea of taking in the green area outside the park, I can't see an easy solution to rerouting traffic from Edward St on to Parnell St though without removing more of the green area than your gaining by taking in Boherbuoy Rd.

Mc Love

Cookiemunster wrote: »

http://maps.google.ie/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=52.658014,-8.627143&spn=0.003339,0.00677&t=h&z=17
Here is an arial picture of the park. It's quite obvous that the area taken by the extension is tiny compared to the size of the park. Also those apartments, while not that pleasant visually didn't really take any land that was in use to the public. They were built on the area that the wardens stored their equipment.
While i like the idea of taking in the green area outside the park, I can't see an easy solution to rerouting traffic from Edward St on to Parnell St though without removing more of the green area than your gaining by taking in Boherbuoy Rd.

They could keep the road there but still have the green area enclosed as part of the park if anyone has ever been to Boston it could work like Boston Common
http://maps.google.ie/?ie=UTF8&ll=42.354469,-71.068443&spn=0.002577,0.006539&t=h&z=18

tonyheaney

Mc Love wrote: »

Plus i could meet her and get her to meet us if we wanted to go down that route (have connections) but if you wrote to her she could meet us too - is time for a new thread perhaps?

hehehe well i did start off this tread but by all, means

tonyheaney

phog wrote: »

Last night I got the city councillors email addresses and sent them off an email about extending the park I also linked this thread. Lets see if I get a response.

Phog hope tyhey know it was my genisis idea hehehehehehehehe ;)

phog

Got my first reply today out of about 16 councillors, hasn't committed to much.

Hi ,

Thanks for message and observations.

I will have a look and walk around after easter re this proposal.

Regards

tonyheaney

which one sent this to you?

phog

tonyheaney wrote: »

which one sent this to you?

Rather not say at the moment, I sent each of them a link to this post and they are free to join the discussion here if they so wish.

steveon

Cookiemunster wrote: »

http://maps.google.ie/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=52.658014,-8.627143&spn=0.003339,0.00677&t=h&z=17
Here is an arial picture of the park. It's quite obvous that the area taken by the extension is tiny compared to the size of the park. Also those apartments, while not that pleasant visually didn't really take any land that was in use to the public. They were built on the area that the wardens stored their equipment.
While i like the idea of taking in the green area outside the park, I can't see an easy solution to rerouting traffic from Edward St on to Parnell St though without removing more of the green area than your gaining by taking in Boherbuoy Rd.

Half of the land taken in by the apparments was in fact in use by the public, I grew up beside it and used to pick both blackberries and strawberriers there. Alot of the local kids also played football there. There was also 3 or 4 old style cottages that should have been a protected structure instead they were demolished and eradicated from most peoples memory.

The local authority claimed they didnt need the land despite the fact that it housed many greenhouses and stored there equipment, now they rent a space in the apparment at the back ...again which most people dont know aboiut..

ALL LAND IN THE PARK BELONG TO US the people of Limerick it does not belong to the local authority and therefore every square inch should be protected and cherished, now we have an ugly building especially when coming from the mallow street enterance..

tonyheaney

steveon wrote: »

Half of the land taken in by the apparments was in fact in use by the public, I grew up beside it and used to pick both blackberries and strawberriers there. Alot of the local kids also played football there. There was also 3 or 4 old style cottages that should have been a protected structure instead they were demolished and eradicated from most peoples memory.

The local authority claimed they didnt need the land despite the fact that it housed many greenhouses and stored there equipment, now they rent a space in the apparment at the back ...again which most people dont know aboiut..

ALL LAND IN THE PARK BELONG TO US the people of Limerick it does not belong to the local authority and therefore every square inch should be protected and cherished, now we have an ugly building especially when coming from the mallow street enterance..

RE: ALL LAND IN THE PARK BELONG TO US:

If any government official is reading this you must step up and do something. I know many like the idea of a coffee house with its safe toilets and it is greeted by some and hated by others, and an art gallery is nice to have im sure but the fact is this is peoples land not Local governments.

As one person here has mentioned here regarding the boarded up houses being an eye sore and the large green in front and the stupid one way round the green traffic system all outside the bus station perhaps they would be better suited to knock the houses make a 2 and 1 way traffic system with new shops and art gallery on the green and make the view to new arrivals to limerick something nice to write home about.

once done then simply leave the peoples park alone

phog

phog wrote: »

Got my first reply today out of about 16 councillors, hasn't committed to much.

A month later and no other reply received and no update from the reply that I received, is it any wonder why people have lost faith in politics.

I will send them all a reminder.

I wonder if I asked to attend a photo shoot how many would have replied by now.:rolleyes:

steveon

I'm not surprised you got no reply from any of them, I wonder what Jan o Sullivan would have to say about it as her office is right across the street in Hartstonge street

phog

Sent them all reminders and got a few replies.

You can contact me at
087xxxxxxx

many thanks for your email, i will read the relevant boards to gain a broader view of peoples concerns and suggestions, the whole careys rd / hyde rd area is subjet to a new local area plan and i agree that this area represents a wonderful opportunity for city hall to create a great first impressions for those visiting the city

I have looked at your suggestion of amalgamation of the two pieces of land to make a super park, this was raised three years ago by myself, there is a local development plan being worked on to include Hyde Rd, Calls Park, Carey's Rd, and that area, I am not in a position to give any more information on this as I do not know the outcome of the proposed plan, you might for me clarify your first paragraph, you state there is a thread on a forum of mis-use at the Peoples Park, then you state you do not agree fully, and then you state that Limerick City Council could do more with a valuable resource, (which resource are you referring to) in my opinion there was mis-use of public land at the Peoples Park, there should NOT have being a development on this land, this Park was gifted to the People by Lord Perry for the benefit of the people, if I was an elected representative at the time I would have opposed the use, as I will should any proposal arise in the future, I correct you, this land belongs to the people it is a resource for the people, and is not at behest of Limerick City Council.

You identify a major sector of the city which needs development and the area has been discussed on a number of occasions recently within the Council. You might also be aware that other areas also face similar challenges and for example plans will emerge at today's Council meeting regarding the Nicholas Street area which have taken some time to develop and where Nicholas Street is crucial also from a Tourist perspective. Plans for the development of large areas develop over time, the slow down in the economy and scarce funding is delaying this process even further and the Patrick Street situation is evidence of this problem. I was heavily involved in a campaign six months ago to relocate a Council housing project from the only green space remaining off O'Connell Ave to the area you are concerned about as a lot of space is available there whereas green space is very precious at Vizes Field but that campaign failed. The area is being given active consideration within City Council. Jackman Park may become available as it now looks certain that soccer will return to the Market's Field and the last of the flats should be vacated soon. When these final pieces of the jigsaw fall into place development of that area will be closer. With 3000 people on the Housing waiting list I will be supporting the construction of small layouts of houses constructed in the area somewhat similar to those built newer the Barracks on Edward St. some years ago. I agree with you that we need to think about that area in terms of a gateway into the city for visitors who arrive by train and bus. Anew bus station is to be built soon and this will be the beginning of this process. It is unlikely that the Council will move towards an enlarged Park as Council staff are currently overstretched and budgets are tight. I will be happy to discuss these issues with you again in the future and those are some of my thoughts on the issues you raised.

phog

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

It would also completely alter how people see Limerick when they arrive at the train station.

Imagine arriving and instead of seeing a semi derelict street you saw a top class park, much like you see in Galway. If the houses by Jackman are being knocked there's really a massive chance to change that entire section of town for the better.

I mentioned this proposal on twitter recently and I got a prompt to send an email to environment office at the council.

My emails to the councillors fell into a black hole.

Cityslicker1

It's a really nice park and almost has a feeling of St.Stephen's Green Dublin about it...the Georgian architecture of Pery Square makes that area feel quite grand,there's nothing like it in Cork or Galway. As for the green area by the station..it has huge potential now that all those ugly flats are empty and ready to be torn down..

tonyheaney

Cityslicker1 wrote: »

It's a really nice park and almost has a feeling of St.Stephen's Green Dublin about it...the Georgian architecture of Pery Square makes that area feel quite grand,there's nothing like it in Cork or Galway. As for the green area by the station..it has huge potential now that all those ugly flats are empty and ready to be torn down..it's just a pity that it's so close to Hyde Rd!

I personality think they should re extend the park to cover the old green across the road. Its one of the beauties that new visitors see when the arrive and if extending it makes it better then by all means do it

Richard Dower

phog wrote: »

I mentioned this proposal on twitter recently and I got a prompt to send an email to environment office at the council.

My emails to the councillors fell into a pot hole.

fyp

Kess73

Mod Post: I have edited one post and deleted two others. Rather than send three seperate PMs I shall give my reasons here in thread.

I don't want to see any comments that consist of a sweeping generalisation about any individual areas in Limerick city or that could be taken as a put down to all residents in that area. It is offensive to any posters living in those areas or to any posters with relatives or friends in those areas. Most areas in Limerick could be said to have problems, but the problems do not define the areas, and they certainly do not represent the majority of folk living in various areas.

So no further sweeping generalisations regarding entire areas or all the people in specific areas.



As for the posts I deleted. I only deleted those as they either quoted the comment I had to edit, or were conversation regarding the comment. I felt that the thread could have been derailed, and also because I did not wish to give any oxygen to anything that could help link any sweeping comment to a specific area.


There have been some good posts and great ideas in this thread, so let's try to focus on that.

tonyheaney

Hey all, Just to reiterate again my OP was that the green across from the park could have been better served for the apartments and the art center or even to extend the park into that area.

brianregan09

I think something needs to be done with all the junkies and alco's roaming the park too , It can be very intimidating for people who don't know them ,and most ppl do know the main ones i'm talking about im not mentioning them though

tonyheaney

Kess73 wrote: »

Mod Post: I have edited one post and deleted two others. Rather than send three seperate PMs I shall give my reasons here in thread.

I don't want to see any comments that consist of a sweeping generalisation about any individual areas in Limerick city or that could be taken as a put down to all residents in that area. It is offensive to any posters living in those areas or to any posters with relatives or friends in those areas. Most areas in Limerick could be said to have problems, but the problems do not define the areas, and they certainly do not represent the majority of folk living in various areas.

So no further sweeping generalisations regarding entire areas or all the people in specific areas.



As for the posts I deleted. I only deleted those as they either quoted the comment I had to edit, or were conversation regarding the comment. I felt that the thread could have been derailed, and also because I did not wish to give any oxygen to anything that could help link any sweeping comment to a specific area.


There have been some good posts and great ideas in this thread, so let's try to focus on that.

What is *Mod warning Post 44*

Insect Overlord

tonyheaney wrote: »

What is *Mod warning Post 44*

You just quoted it...

bigpink

An old fashioned style tea rooms would have been nice in the park if they wanted a café set up there.Zest just doesn't seem right there

phog

bigpink wrote: »

An old fashioned style tea rooms would have been nice in the park if they wanted a café set up there.Zest just doesn't seem right there

Judging how busy it is it seems to have the mark.

tonyheaney

Insect Overlord wrote: »

You just quoted it...

yes but what does it mean