'Back To Basics' Tourney Discussion

Galvasean

I'm not talking about this particular fight

Solitaire

I was only joking about the last couple of posts! :eek::(

FewFew

Solitaire wrote: »

I was only joking about the last couple of posts! :eek::(

It's ok Soli, you're right, and that's what matters in my book... Jason DIDN'T bring a rocket launcher to a knife fight.


Actually, this brings me onto one of the biggest cop-out moments ever, when we had that massive build up in Buffy to that judge guy, and then... oh my, a rocket launcher kills him. End of. Lame. With writing like that, surely Buffy should have given up the stake and just got the Watcher's council to load up on a load of RPGs.

Solitaire

Stakes are cheaper and just a mite more portable :P

FewFew

Solitaire wrote: »

Stakes are cheaper and just a mite more portable :P

Though look at how little hassle she'd have though. No more life or death battles, it'd just be "got him in my sights. Target lock. Fire Fox 1. Fox 1 is go. Confirm positive kill. ETA Bronze: 5 minutes. Possibility of a douchebag band: High"

Kess73

Galvasean wrote: »

FWIW, as far as 'claims' such as the Witch King, for the sake of the tourney they are considered little more than idle boasts, as there are one or two characters in the pot claiming invincibility.

I go by a little rule:
"If it has matter... It can be destroyed!"

I think in the case of WK it is more than just a boast as Tolkien confirmed it in the glossary of one of his books.

Galvasean

Kess73 wrote: »

I think in the case of WK it is more than just a boast as Tolkien confirmed it in the glossary of one of his books.

well, luckily there's far more than just 'men' in this tourney.

FewFew

Galvasean wrote: »

well, luckily there's far more than just 'men' in this tourney.

There's Buffy too... isn't there... c'mon... gimme a lil sugar Galva! C'monnnn... I need this!

Galvasean

Had to put Jason out of his misery.

The next battle is up. Hopefully it will provide more... sport

Orim

This is a tough fight. I'm going to watch Predator then I'll make a call.

Galvasean

Orim wrote: »

This is a tough fight. I'm going to watch Predator then I'll make a call.

Don't watch the daredevil movie or you'll definately ant to vote for Predator!

Orim

Revolution9 wrote: »

Predator knows he is being bested by DareDevil so decides to activate his self destruct device, killing them both.

Slightly confused by this but I'm totally claiming it as a vote for predator.

It's 4-2 I says and predator is in with a shout.

Orim

LZ5by5 wrote: »

It's an interesting one, two stealthy type characters going up against each other. Kess' argument about the Pred not seeing DD as a serious threat is the clincher for me though.

DD FTW

This argument holds no water though. Predator is well aware of DDs abilities, in the scenario he specifically came to Earth to hunt DD.

Galvasean

Not sure if the Pred blowing himself up and killing Daredevil should count as a point each...
If so Daredevil has won.

What do you guys think?

Orim

End of the day, Predator is there to kill DD as long as DD is dead then Predator wins. Doesn't matter what happens to Predator.

Delirium

With Orim on that one.

FewFew

Orim wrote: »

This argument holds no water though. Predator is well aware of DDs abilities, in the scenario he specifically came to Earth to hunt DD.

Yeah, I dunno, Predator is used to fighting humans... they're generally soft bags of water unless they have a gun in their hands. Either Predator will try and drive DD to arm himself and get a nasty counter, or he'll strip off his blaster and go toe-to-toe.

Also in terms of element of surprise etc, the Preds always seem to do some warm-up killing in the movies, so I imagine DD will find out there's a new player in his town and will be on guard. Even if he goes straight for the kill, Pred will have full faith in his camo and DD will just see him standing there on a ledge.

Then there's the secret identity element. Pred will be looking out for DD in DD costume, meaning DD will be on patrol etc and ready for action.

Galvasean wrote: »

Not sure if the Pred blowing himself up and killing Daredevil should count as a point each...
If so Daredevil has won.

What do you guys think?

I reckon it's a win for DD. Predator goes for the nuke when he's beaten, so that must mean DD won.

Orim

Good points Few but you didn't counter the predator has dredz argument :P

FewFew

Orim wrote: »

Good points Few but you didn't counter the predator has dredz argument :P

DD wears shades. Suckah!

Galvasean

As the information on this character is scattered across many different (mostly outdated) sources it would be at best awkward to link to them all in thread. So here is a challenger not seen before in a Nocturnal tournament.
Presenting, Eliphas the Inheritor!



Bio:
Eliphas was originally a Dark Apostle of the Word Bearers Space Marines. During the Horus Heresy, Eliphas failed to take the world from the hands of the Imperium, and for his failure he was sent to the “Basilica of Torment.” He returned to Kronus to conquer the world for Chaos Undivided at the head of a large Word Bearers force, but, facing the full force of many other races in the galaxy, Eliphas failed once again, leading to his apparent death at the hands of a displeased Daemon Prince.
Eliphas was later revived by Abbadon the Despoiler to assist Araghast the Pilliger who claims to have destroyed 1000 Worlds. Eliphas betrayed Araghast's to his death at the hands of the Blood Ravens so he could become the leader of the Black Legion War-band. He claims “Araghast never knew the true grandeur of this plan”. Before the Blood Ravens could kill Eliphas, he disappeared.
Eliphas’ was last seen on Sub sector Aurelia, where he destroyed the Blood Raven’s hero Davian Thule, a mighty Dreadnought. He is believed to be under the direct command of Abaddon the Despoiler.

Weapons / abilities:
Eliphas now wears the very suit of Terminator armour once worn by Araghast the Pilliger. as armaments he carries Araghast's power sword and storm bolter gun.
Eliphas is one of the few champions of Chaos ever to acquire the favour of all four Chaos Gods. As a result his armour is imbued with all manner of cursed ruins and trinkets, making him even more resistant to damage. Even without the need for wearing a helmet Eliphas is virtually immune to conventional attack.
In his armour Eliphas stands some 9 feet tall, but can move with a surprising and unnatural quickness.


Blessings of the Dark Gods:
Mark of Khorne: When Eliphas spills the blood of his enemies he is healed in relation to a portion of the damage he deals. There is also a small chance with every strike of his blade that he may cut a small rift in reality, summoning a Bloodletter daemon to his aid.
Mark of Sla'anesh: Eliphas has had all traces of humanity wiped from his being. For all intents and purposes he is himself a daemon. He is incapable of sympathy or remorse and completely free of any form of self-doubt because of it, making him highly resistant to psychic attack and almost completely immune to any form of psychological attack.
Mark of Nurgle: Eliphas' body is now a festering pot of all manner of diseases. To stand is his presence is to risk being infected with virtually anything sort of rot one would care to imagine. Consequently, Eliphas is immune to all forms of chemical weaponry / radiation.
Mark of Tzeench: The God of magic smiles upon Eliphas, making him very resistant to magic based attacks. This mark has also been attributed to the many instances where he has inexplicably cheated death.

It is also worth noting that Eliphas has the latent potential to one day become a daemon prince. however, he is still some way off attaining such a level of power.

FewFew

For Orim's attention:

In his new incarnation, Blaze is now possibly the most powerful hero on Earth. During "World War Hulk" it was stated by Dr. Stephen Strange that Ghost Rider might be equally as powerful as the "Green Scar" persona of Hulk and could defeat him, but wouldn't because Ghost Rider only defended the innocent and the Illuminati wasn't innocent. Ghost Rider also has the "Penance Stare" and mystical chain, both of which were specific to the Danny Ketch Ghost Rider. He also now has new abilities including hellfire breath and the ability to produce chains from either his throat or chest. He is also now able to travel between the incorporeal realms.


But I'll leave it to Kess to fully inform the situation, I know I was amazed at Ghost Rider's power in a previous tournament.

Galvasean

A fully powered Ghostrider is one of the outstanding characters in this tournament. There's probably half a dozen or so on comparible scales of power (Eliphas being one) with little to choose between them.
FWIW, I don't think the Penance Stare would work on a guy like Eliphas since he is essentially soulless due to the Mark of Sla'anesh. I could be mistaken though.

cyberwolf77

The Penance stare does force a victim to feel all the pain they have caused victims over the years. There is nothing said about them needing to have a soul for it to work. Assuming Eliphas has harmed innocents I'm thinking it may work on him in some form.

FewFew

Galvasean wrote: »

FWIW, I don't think the Penance Stare would work on a guy like Eliphas since he is essentially soulless due to the Mark of Sla'anesh. I could be mistaken though.

Yes, this issue has me thinking alright.

Delirium

cyberwolf77 wrote: »

The Penance stare does force a victim to feel all the pain they have caused victims over the years. There is nothing said about them needing to have a soul for it to work. Assuming Eliphas has harmed innocents I'm thinking it may work on him in some form.

what about the movie? The demon wasn't vulnerable to the stare due to a lack of a soul. I thought that was the same in the comics, at least in the ones I've read.

FewFew

koth wrote: »

what about the movie? The demon wasn't vulnerable to the stare due to a lack of a soul. I thought that was the same in the comics, at least in the ones I've read.

True, but the bit that makes me wonder is the no mercy, no remorse etc. bits that are tagged on.

cyberwolf77

From Wikipedia:

Penance Stare. By locking eyes with a target and mentally focusing, the Danny Ketch Ghost Rider was able to make the target experience all the pain they had ever inflicted on anyone else. This ability was seen to have little effect on some people who were mentally unstable (such as the being known as Madcap. Ghost Rider was also knocked out when attempting to use the Penance Stare on Carnage).

Delirium

It's the hellfire that only works on someone with a soul, I just assumed that the penance stare had the same limitations.

FewFew

It's the defence from psychic attacks etc that makes me wonder too.

Ghost Rider has all the power of hell, he's definitely going to win this one... I'm just wondering how to play it.

Kess73

Fewcifur wrote: »

It's the defence from psychic attacks etc that makes me wonder too.

Ghost Rider has all the power of hell, he's definitely going to win this one... I'm just wondering how to play it.

Yep since he slew the last ruler of hell and became the undisputed ruler all bets were off in terms of limitations on his powers. Eliphas is powerful, but he on his own is not on a world breaker level of power, whereas GR in many of his incarnations is just that.