nct every year

crazygeryy

what a joke.nct required every year if your car is 10 years or older.talk about a money racket.enviornment my arse.they just keep piling it on charge after charge tax after tax.

Sykk

Ok

antodeco

It's ok. They don't NCT this forum.

the groutch

what's wrong with having it every year? people who are driving cars more than 10 years old are less likely to be able to afford repairs, even if they know there's something wrong with it. so it takes more potential deathtraps off the road. remember, as a driver you have a duty to every other driver out there to make sure your car is roadworthy.

Mike 1972

Every year is a bit excessive although its standard for cars over 4 years old up here.

DUB777

Just another swindle for the public to suffer from because of our spiraling debt & hemorrhage banking crisis.

Seedy Arling

Its excessive for private cars. Sounds like a money spinner, to be honest.

vicwatson

so it takes more potential deathtraps off the road.

Most of the time it's the drivers that are the problem not the cars.

It's a money make scam

IF and I repeat IF the law was enforced and EVERYONE complied with it then I wouldn't have a problem with doing (only every two years) BUT the problem is there are those that comply and have done so rigidly since inception and those that have never bothered their butt and are still able to drive around, this bugs me....:mad:

Oh and P.S. - I won't be doing the NCT every year - simple as that. I will not do this, it's bad enough having to do it every 2 years but every year, yeh right

purity

The initial plan was to introduce the nct every year for a car over 4 years old. I don't think it's a bad idea to have an nct done to any car over 10 years yearly. It will prevent heaps driving on public roads, bumpers half fallen off and broken side mirrors.
I plan to change my car every 4 years and avoid the nct altogether:D

mikom

More lies.
Moneymaking racket.

Government respect -10 points

Dangerous Man

I'll talk to the government about this. We need to privatize the NCT if it's not done so already. When that's done we can promise Martin Sheen that we won't sell it off - but we will and turn a nice little profit in the process. Charlie Sheen will be upset, and Martin Sheen will be upset with Charlie Sheen but don't let that worry you - I won't let anything get in my way.

Max Power1

motors thread belongs in motors forum IMO

And if this reduces the amount of old bangers on the road then whats the problem?

TheAnswer

Taxi's have to be NCT'd even if they're brand new! and then every year thereafter. And there are still "heaps o sh*te" on the roads.

Doop

purity wrote: »

The initial plan was to introduce the nct every year for a car over 4 years old. I don't think it's a bad idea to have an nct done to any car over 10 years yearly. It will prevent heaps driving on public roads, bumpers half fallen off and broken side mirrors.
I plan to change my car every 4 years and avoid the nct altogether:D

Congrats to you. I cant afford to do that, and we all know keeping a car in good order is costly enough without paying for the nct every year. If this comes in the cost should be reduced to some nominal charge like less than €10

cml387

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I'll talk to the government about this. We need to privatize the NCT if it's not done so already. When that's done we can promise Martin Sheen that we won't sell it off - but we will and turn a nice little profit in the process. Charlie Sheen will be upset, and Martin Sheen will be upset with Charlie Sheen but don't let that worry you - I won't let anything get in my way.

I think this should be the last word on the subject.

BostonB

Another tax...

phasers

TheAnswer wrote: »

Taxi's have to be NCT'd even if they're brand new! and then every year thereafter. And there are still "heaps o sh*te" on the roads.

My Dad was driving a complete heap of shyte for a couple of years which had no suspension at the back, the locks didn't work, the seats were full of holes and the air con didn't work. It leaked oil too, and he replaced the clutch I think 3 times. His mate in a garage did a few bits to it and it passed no bother every time. (perfect engine though, it was technically safe. Just a hunk of junk.) They need to tighten up regulations for taxis.


A yearly NCT for cars though is just bollocks, why I have to pay 70 quid to be told my car is in perfect condition every year? Even every 2 years would be alright.

andyseadog

lads, its a good idea. its typical irish nay sayers putting the idea down before they even know the ins and outs of it. anyone putting it down doesn't fully understand it.

i posted this on another forum on the matter. im behind the idea 100%


Pro's

- it will keep ****ters off the roads
- it will keep older cars in general in better condition
- it will increase or at least stabilize the value of ten years and older cars
- it will encourage car owners in general to maintain their cars better, so i (and everybody else) have better cars to chose from when buying
- its will keep N.C.T. centers and many many indo garages busy, so will be providing/ sustaining jobs in the motor industry (MUCH needed)
- it may well bring down the price of/ make it easier to obtain insurance on older cars because their condition is verified twice as often, so they aren't as big a liability to insurers
- the test itself may well become more lenient or a whole rethink of the system may be necessary because of the increase in volume of cars being tested
- the tree huggers and mother nature will me much happier

Cons

- it costs fifty quid once a year (equivalent of a weeks worth of fags, a good night out, etc etc... 50 quid isn't lots, its around 15c a day)
- you have to set aside 1 hour out of the 8760 hours that God gives us each year.

if you want to moan about something, moan about the price of car tax. thats the problem with the Irish, we'l jump on the bandwagon and complain about anything, even if its a good thing.

Mike 1972

I thought the NCT was privatised from its inception ???

phasers wrote: »

no suspension at the back, the locks didn't work, the seats were full of holes and the air con didn't work. It leaked oil too, and he replaced the clutch I think 3 times..

By the sound of things the fact that it had no locks was probably a pretty moot point ?

purity

Doop wrote: »

Congrats to you. I cant afford to do that, and we all know keeping a car in good order is costly enough without paying for the nct every year. If this comes in the cost should be reduced to some nominal charge like less than €10

Well I can't afford it either but I'd rather get a new car than give the government any more money paying enough tax.I think changing a car every four years is okay but every year now that's a waste of money

vicwatson

Cons

- it costs fifty quid once a year (equivalent of a weeks worth of fags, a good night out, etc etc... 50 quid isn't lots, its around 15c a day)
- you have to set aside 1 hour out of the 8760 hours that God gives us each year

1 hour, you must live very close to a test centre, my closest one is 30 miles round trip - try at least 2 hours, then if it fails another 30 miles and another 1 hour waiting around.

It's bill****

andyseadog

vicwatson wrote: »

1 hour, you must live very close to a test centre, my closest one is 30 miles round trip - try at least 2 hours, then if it fails another 30 miles and another 1 hour waiting around.

It's bill****

so your looking at 4 hours a year then? have you got that little free time?

the groutch

phasers wrote: »

A yearly NCT for cars though is just bollocks, why I have to pay 70 quid to be told my car is in perfect condition every year? Even every 2 years would be alright.

70 quid a year? that's it?
sounding like a FF TD having to take a pay cut, all over 70 quid?

ilovesleep

Stupid! In the long run its going to encourage money to leave the economy. There are older cars that would be good to drive and it could fail for something that could cost a small fortune to fix. It may not make sense to say for example spend 3000 euro fixing up a car thats worth 800 euro.

phasers

the groutch wrote: »

70 quid a year? that's it?
sounding like a FF TD having to take a pay cut, all over 70 quid?

Look moneybags, it's 70 quid I could be spending on me kids Sky plus or ipad apps.

mahamageehad

Biggest heap of crap i've ever heard.

My car is a 96. She's perfect. Never had to put any money into repairs for her except general wear and tear.

An NCT every year is just a money scam. I think the NCT should be based on mileage. My car does about 8,000 km a year. Why should I have to NCT her every year when someone who bought a new car in the last 4 years and is putting 70,000 km a year on the clock doesn't have to??

Sofiztikated

purity wrote: »

Well I can't afford it either but I'd rather get a new car than give the government any more money paying enough tax.I think changing a car every four years is okay but every year now that's a waste of money

Em. I don't think you've actually thought about that. Whenever you buy a new car, you pay:

VAT
VRT
Motor Tax.

And spend a couple of grand to top it all off.

To save €50?

vicwatson wrote: »

1 hour, you must live very close to a test centre, my closest one is 30 miles round trip - try at least 2 hours, then if it fails another 30 miles and another 1 hour waiting around.

It's bill****

Honestly, boo ****ing hoo. Yes, its a bit of a pain, but jesus, get over yourself.

andyseadog

ilovesleep wrote: »

Stupid! In the long run its going to encourage money to leave the economy. There are older cars that would be good to drive and it could fail for something that could cost a small fortune to fix. It may not make sense to say for example spend 3000 euro fixing up a car thats worth 800 euro.

what? that makes no sense!

older cars are more likely to be bangers, if a car worth "800 euro" has 3 grands worth or problems it clearly isn't fit for the roads! it gets scrapped.

how could that encourage money to leave the economy?

andyseadog

mahamageehad wrote: »

Biggest heap of crap i've ever heard.

My car is a 96. She's perfect. Never had to put any money into repairs for her except general wear and tear.

An NCT every year is just a money scam. I think the NCT should be based on mileage. My car does about 8,000 km a year. Why should I have to NCT her every year when someone who bought a new car in the last 4 years and is putting 70,000 km a year on the clock doesn't have to??

how will the testers be able to know what cars are doing what mileage? rely on the honesty of the owners? :rolleyes:

El Weirdo

vicwatson wrote: »

1 hour, you must live very close to a test centre, my closest one is 30 miles round trip - try at least 2 hours, then if it fails another 30 miles and another 1 hour waiting around.

It's bill****

Edit. Time allocation fail.

phasers

andyseadog wrote: »

what? that makes no sense!

older cars are more likely to be bangers, if a car worth "800 euro" has 3 grands worth or problems it clearly isn't fit for the roads! it gets scrapped.

how could that encourage money to leave the economy?

Not really, cars fail the NCT for stupid reasons. Mine failed last year because it had a fcuking dent in the door. A big dent, but anyway. Perfect car except for the dent. Would have cost me more to fix than the car was worth, so I had to scrap it. A perfect car scrapped for cosmetic damage.

ilovesleep

andyseadog wrote: »

what? that makes no sense!

older cars are more likely to be bangers, if a car worth "800 euro" has 3 grands worth or problems it clearly isn't fit for the roads! it gets scrapped.

how could that encourage money to leave the economy?

Because cars are not made in ireland. Also a person buying a car would be looking at getting value and more than likely would shop up north for a car.

Dempsey

Just pulled this off the NCT site

What cars must be tested and how often?

All cars four years and older must undergo an NCT. Test Certificates will be valid for up to 2 years (from the date the test is due to the registration anniversary date two years later).

Commercial vehicles will continue to be D.o.E. tested.

The following chart will help you determine what year your vehicle is due in for testing.

http://www.ncts.ie/images/faq/graph.jpg

When did this change come in?

the groutch

phasers wrote: »

Look moneybags, it's 70 quid I could be spending on me kids Sky plus or ipad apps.

if you can afford to waste 500 quid odd on an Ipad, I can't imagine you being on the breadline

the alternatives are to have it free, and just hike up car tax to cover the costs of providing it
or
abolish it completely and let another hundred odd people die every year

vicwatson

so your looking at 4 hours a year then? have you got that little free time?

Yes actually I do.

ilovesleep

the groutch wrote: »

if you can afford to waste 500 quid odd on an Ipad, I can't imagine you being on the breadline

the alternatives are to have it free, and just hike up car tax to cover the costs of providing it
or
abolish it completely and let another hundred odd people die every year

Where are the statastics that people die in road traffic accidents due to poorly cars, and not due to drivers ignorance.

ScumLord

It should be done on a machine like a car, they can pick up problems despite their top class modern engineering. It just makes sense to make sure it's right when your life depends on it.

The government has turned it into a money making scam though.

andyseadog

phasers wrote: »

Not really, cars fail the NCT for stupid reasons. Mine failed last year because it had a fcuking dent in the door. A big dent, but anyway. Perfect car except for the dent. Would have cost me more to fix than the car was worth, so I had to scrap it. A perfect car scrapped for cosmetic damage.

N.C.T's themselves say they don't fail cars on cosmetic damage unless it's affecting the structural integrity of the car.

the dent must have been rather big and would have compromised the cars strength in an accident and/ or been rusted etc

ilovesleep wrote: »

Because cars are not made in ireland. Also a person buying a car would be looking at getting value and more than likely would shop up north for a car.

no cars are made in ireland, so by that method of thinking, everybody who buys a car is spending money outside the irish economy.

anyone who buys a car up north will still have to pay VRT and NCT fee's when they register the car in ireland, thus dodging nothing.

Doop

andyseadog wrote: »

- it costs fifty quid once a year (equivalent of a weeks worth of fags, a good night out, etc etc... 50 quid isn't lots, its around 15c a day)

€50 is a new tyre on my car!

vicwatson

When did this change come in?

Coming in in May or June !

Dempsey

vicwatson wrote: »

Coming in in May or June !

FFS!

Its another tax/scam then. Is there any statistics showing the amount of accidents being caused by badly maintained cars? Is there any evidence to support that the NCT reducing accidents/reducing carbon emissions? Is there any evidence to support that more regular testing on 10+ year old cars will make any impact on carbon emissions or road safety?

My car is almost 14 years old and doesnt need to be NCT'd every year, my NCT history would show this. Why not just NCT the cars that are constantly failing their 1st test/ repeatedly borderline cases. There are better methods of targeting the cars that arent been maintained properly.

aujopimur

Considering the fail rate is 49% it seems there is a lot of room for improvement in the standard of car maintainance.

andyseadog

Dempsey wrote: »

Its another tax/scam then. Is there any statistics showing the amount of accidents being caused by badly maintained cars? Is there any evidence to support that the NCT reducing accidents/reducing carbon emissions? Is there any evidence to support that more regular testing on 10+ year old cars will make any impact on carbon emissions or road safety?

if you ask N.C.T's to provide you a list of vehicles that have failed because of defects regarding tyres and brakes you could form statistics from there because and car that fails on defective tyres and breaks is considerably more likely to be in an accident.

when N.C.T's fail a car on emissions, then they are making a positive impact on carbon emissions, simples. so checking cars twice as often should keep them better in line.

mrsdewinter

purity wrote: »

The initial plan was to introduce the nct every year for a car over 4 years old. I don't think it's a bad idea to have an nct done to any car over 10 years yearly. It will prevent heaps driving on public roads, bumpers half fallen off and broken side mirrors.
I plan to change my car every 4 years and avoid the nct altogether:D

Good for you. I hear AIB have a loan package that's right up your street

ScumLord

Dempsey wrote: »

My car is almost 14 years old and doesnt need to be NCT'd every year, my NCT history would show this. Why not just NCT the cars that are constantly failing their 1st test/ repeatedly borderline cases. There are better methods of targeting the cars that arent been maintained properly.

Thinking your car can't fail because it hasn't failed yet is flawed logic. Foregoing maintenance isn't even considered in any business setting where you need the machine to be operational.

Jimmy Garlic

the groutch wrote: »

what's wrong with having it every year? people who are driving cars more than 10 years old are less likely to be able to afford repairs, even if they know there's something wrong with it. so it takes more potential deathtraps off the road. remember, as a driver you have a duty to every other driver out there to make sure your car is roadworthy.

Bullsh*t. It is a stealth tax. End of story.

Dempsey

andyseadog wrote: »

if you ask N.C.T's to provide you a list of vehicles that have failed because of defects regarding tyres and brakes you could form statistics from there because and car that fails on defective tyres and breaks is considerably more likely to be in an accident.

when N.C.T's fail a car on emissions, then they are making a positive impact on carbon emissions, simples. so checking cars twice as often should keep them better in line.

Do you work for the NCT/Government?

Show me the stats to show that more regular testing on all 10+ year old cars will reduce actual accidents caused by car defects. Most accidents are due to driver error, maybe they should just be made resit their tests when they crash.

My car sails through the emissions test, all its NCT tests have. Until such time as the car shows that it needs more regular checking then it doesnt need to be tested every year over 2 years.

Dempsey

ScumLord wrote: »

Thinking your car can't fail because it hasn't failed yet is flawed logic. Foregoing maintenance isn't even considered in any business setting where you need the machine to be operational.

Where did I say that I think it cant fail?? Try reading my posts properly

biko

Take it to Motors, or just join one of the many threads there about this.