Rover 75 Diesel Manual - Clutch

letitroll

I know there are some Rover 75 experts lurking around here so perhaps one of the gang may be able to help

My preference is for a good Automatic Diesel version however these are few and far between therefore i'm looking at the manual versions which are more plentiful but have clutch issues

Supposing one has had the clutch and DMF replaced correctly does the repair solve the design defect or are you on a countdown to the next repair??

DMF failure is not at all common on them
Clutch is a sh1tty enough design with the slave and master cylinders. Not an easy one to ballpark a price for as some folks don't get everything replaced only what's after failing. Clutch job on a 75 may or may not include a slave cylinder/ release bearing, and as mentioned the DMF may or may not need doing.

They can go 80k to 100k miles or more without issue same as every other car

Tragedy

Clutches tend to have a lifespan of 70-100k
Never heard of DMF issues, only heard of a couple of people needing to replace one.

When changing clutch, change both master and slave cylinder and should be good to go, new parts are far more reliable than older ones.

Get on Auto one from the UK though

letitroll

Thanks lads seen both your names on previous posts when the 75 is involved always top notch advise

Yeah I'm leaning towards a day trip to the UK seems the automatic is the comfy hassle free option plenty low mileage 50/60k 04 or 05 models in the UK

Any thoughts on the 05 facelift model I actually don't mind the look of it may even prefer it to the old shape ( I'm undecided) but how is it reliability wise compared to the classic shape?

Also any thoughts on reliability around the MG ZT version? Like the look of that too in a descent colour

Tragedy

No big difference in reliability between pre-facelift, facelift or ZT.

Go with whatever floats your boat, has the spec you want and is in your budget.

letitroll

Tragedy wrote: »

No big difference in reliability between pre-facelift, facelift or ZT.

Go with whatever floats your boat, has the spec you want and is in your budget.

Coolabula seen mention of one that have a remote pre-heating system I.e. Hit the remote and it gets the internal car heating system going Before you get in are these on the connoisseur model only?

Tragedy

They were standard fitment on all diesel models until the end of 2002, after that they were an optional extra.

By all accounts, the webasto FBH is fantastic.

If you don't mind a tourer, look at PaintDoctors on adverts: http://www.adverts.ie/car/75/75/02-rover-75-estate-diesel-auto-high-spec-inc-tv/487451

Really is fully loaded, and every possible 75 diesel issue I know of - he has sorted. Well priced too.

If I was in a position to, I'd bite his hand off to buy it

letitroll

letitroll wrote: »

Also any thoughts on reliability around the MG ZT version? Like the look of that too in a descent colour

A ZT is a substantially different drive to a 75 Suspension is much firmer. Tyres will cost you more due to the 18" rims compared to a 75.

johnos1984

If you can find an Irish car with all of the work done and evidence of such I'd go for that TBH.

Lots of good owners forums also will provide you with good back up and they also have a for sale section with well priced cars. If you want something specific I'll happily pass on a name and number of a garage owner who sources and supplies them at very good prices.

Make sure you confirm any service history to be sure it is indeed real and that work has been done.

The ZT is a very fine car but it depends what you want, 75=comfort, ZT=entertainment

The earlier you go the better the standard spec unless the owner went to town on the spec sheet on a later model. most items missing won't be missed but just be aware that anything built post April 2005 will of been put together by a work force that knew they had no job in the near future so quality can be an issue. Some late registration were built before April and sat around so don't be worried about the reg date just the build date

johnos1984

johnos1984 wrote: »

The ZT is a very fine car but it depends what you want, 75=comfort, ZT=entertainment

The ZT would be far from uncomfortable, they did an amazing job of marrying excellent handling while still keeping things comfy. For a stiff car shod with 18s it is really really comfy even on poor roads.

johnos1984

RoverJames wrote: »

The ZT would be far from uncomfortable, they did an amazing job of marrying excellent handling while still keeping things comfy. For a stiff car shod with 18s it is really really comfy even on poor roads.

I agree, I was very impressed when I drove Tragedys old red one but for out and out comfort the 75 wins.

As said the ZT was more entertaining and a better blend of ride/handling

OP: I got a Passat which is a lovely lovely car but I should of gotten a ZT. You live and learn but there is always next time

letitroll

thanks for the info lads yeah kind of torn between the ZT and the 75 plus i cant even decide between the classic and the facelift model:)

johnos1984, if you can send me on the details of the garage that sources good 75's that would be great and the links to 75 Forum's that have good info and 'for sale' sections. Cheers.

johnos1984

Classic is a better bet I reckon. I also think the 75 looks better as the classic front is more cohesive.

The ZT I'd take either.

The best owners club are mgrover.org or the 75andZTownersclub

Tragedy

I have a dirty little thing for facelift contemporary se spec 75's. More ZT like interior, dechromed exterior and usually has nicer alloys.

Something like this http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201113383375189/sort/priceasc/usedcars/fuel-type/diesel/transmission/automatic/model/75/make/rover/page/6/postcode/lu27lg/radius/1500?logcode=p

Though personally I wouldn't buy a car without cruise control now

johnos1984

Looks like a door or two was resprayed but that one is impressive.

As for C/C, I'll never have another car without it

Owen

I'm the same. The CC on the 75 is a must. New car doesn't have it, but I'm going to retrofit it.

Mr Benevolent

PaintDoctor wrote: »

I'm the same. The CC on the 75 is a must. New car doesn't have it, but I'm going to retrofit it.

Out of interest, why is CC a must? Have only used aircon so far.

Owen

My bad, should have said Cruise Control, not climate control. Cruise for the obvious reasons, but Climate's good too - I like hitting one button and having my windscreen clear in seconds!

letitroll

Johnos1984, sent you a PM, at least i think i did!! cheers for the info by the way

Paintdoctor, your machine is mint if i needed an estate i'd be on the first train down to you

Leaning towards the facelift model now or the ZT, they look more modern IMO. What would a descent price be for a 04/05 Diesel Auto leather, CC, with sub-80K miles in the UK. Thinking you could get one for £3,500?

johnos1984

letitroll wrote: »

Johnos1984, sent you a PM, at least i think i did!! cheers for the info by the way

Paintdoctor, your machine is mint if i needed an estate i'd be on the first train down to you

Leaning towards the facelift model now or the ZT, they look more modern IMO. What would a descent price be for a 04/05 Diesel Auto leather, CC, with sub-80K miles. Thinking you could get one for £3,500?

The PM was received. Sorry at work and haven't had a chance to reply. I would go for a Conn SE if I were you for a good spec level. I'n not sure if cheapest is the way to go on these always, then again the most expensive will obviously be a turn off and isn't necessary.

The garage I sent you will be more expensive than 3500 I'd imagine but you get what you pay for in terms of a genuine car thats been properly prepared for sale.

As ever do all checks on the car to ensure its a good one

manatoo

Theres a dark navy 75 diesel automatic for sale at a garage near the airport for around 5 grand. Has low miles too. Sat into it at the weekend.

And by the way, don't let any of these fools tell you 70-100k is normal clutch life. What a load of twat. Buy a 75 cos you like it, not cos it's going to last well....

manatoo

manatoo wrote: »

Theres a dark navy 75 diesel automatic for sale at a garage near the airport for around 5 grand. Has low miles too. Sat into it at the weekend.

And by the way, don't let any of these fools tell you 70-100k is normal clutch life. What a load of twat. Buy a 75 cos you like it, not cos it's going to last well....

Sorry, who are you calling a fool?

manatoo

And dufus that's happy with 80-100 k from his clutch RJ! Deep pockets much???

So you are not going to actually say who you were referring to when you said

don't let any of these fools

surprise surprise

If you think a clutch every 80/100K miles is out of the way on amodern diesel by all means feel free to disagree and tell us why you think that. Don't call me a fool though.

manatoo

Right.......don't worry RJ, we're all there for you....

Did you get that Carina past the test eventually? You never updated the thread about the brake issue you had before the test.

manatoo

Yup, another poster with a Carina told me to get at it with some emery cloth and brasso and it shined up 100%. The guy that did the retest was amazed the original tester had failed it since it was only surface corrosion. 2 more years she's good to go for now...thanks for asking!

You reckon your brakes were sh1t and because you get it passed the NCT with sandpaper and brasso you are now happy out
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056078753

and you reckon I'm a fool :pac:

manatoo

RoverJames wrote: »

You reckon your brakes were sh1t and because you get it passed the NCT with sandpaper and brasso you are now happy out
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056078753

and you reckon I'm a fool :pac:

Hey at least it didn't need a clutch!!! :)

johnos1984

Better a living fool than a corpse if you ever need good brakes :rolleyes:

I think he could of being referring to me RJ. I'm off now to sulk at being called a fool:(

Don't think you made any reference to the ecpected mileage from the clutch John

manatoo

Yeah sure what would those silly guys down at the National Car Test know about brakes I guess.... :rolleyes:

johnos1984

RoverJames wrote: »

Don't think you made any reference to the ecpected mileage from the clutch John

This is true. God forbid i say you can expect 50k or so from a Pug 407 HDI clutch

As for the NCT crowd knowing nothing about cars, I rather take it to a good mechanic if I'm iffy about something that is beyond my knowledge than trust the NCT crowd

manatoo

manatoo wrote: »

Yeah sure what would those silly guys down at the National Car Test know about brakes I guess.... :rolleyes:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70162377

manatoo wrote: »

I can go one better - I brought my ancient car in for NCT just before Christmas knowing it would fail but just putting it throught to see what needed doing. So the brakes are screeching, 2 of the tyres dont have the "E" rating, 2 had only about 40% thread left and the spare in the boot was flat! How did it get on? Failed on advanced brake line corrosion. No mention of the other blatantly obvious problems! Retest had to be taken by the 9th January



So after asking several mechanics to look at it all of which quoted starting prices of €300 for the work but none of which would actually take the job on...."oh the tank will have to come out to do that...you never know with these old yokes if it'll go back up"...and so on, I got down under it myself on the morning of the 9th, sanded the corrosion off the pipe and brought it for the test. Passed no problem. Total cost - €3.50 for a piece of emery cloth.



Glad she passed but it does beg the question of the effectiveness of the test....

manatoo

johnos1984 wrote: »

This is true. God forbid i say you can expect 50k or so from a Pug 407 HDI clutch

Sheesh...when you start comparing to french cars.... :eek:

johnos1984

RoverJames wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70162377

manatoo wrote: »

I can go one better - I brought my ancient car in for NCT just before Christmas knowing it would fail but just putting it throught to see what needed doing. So the brakes are screeching, 2 of the tyres dont have the "E" rating, 2 had only about 40% thread left and the spare in the boot was flat! How did it get on? Failed on advanced brake line corrosion. No mention of the other blatantly obvious problems! Retest had to be taken by the 9th January



So after asking several mechanics to look at it all of which quoted starting prices of €300 for the work but none of which would actually take the job on...."oh the tank will have to come out to do that...you never know with these old yokes if it'll go back up"...and so on, I got down under it myself on the morning of the 9th, sanded the corrosion off the pipe and brought it for the test. Passed no problem. Total cost - €3.50 for a piece of emery cloth.



Glad she passed but it does beg the question of the effectiveness of the test....

manatoo

johnos1984 wrote: »

Yup, and imagine, I can still drive around legally!!

johnos1984

manatoo wrote: »

Sheesh...when you start comparing to french cars.... :eek:

Mondeo/Passat/Avensis DMF if you really want to go down that road

Manatoo why are you spamming up a thread with rubbish. If you have something to say then say it.

The OP asked about a specific car and has been given specific advice

You've just made your self look like the end of a bell

manatoo

johnos1984 wrote: »

Manatoo why are you spamming up a thread with rubbish. If you have something to say then say it.

The OP asked about a specific car and has been given specific advice

On the contrary, I was informing the OP that the original advice he was given regarding the expected life span of a clutch was utter twaddle spouted by the kind of people who very often lurk around these forums hoping to convert people to the cars they have a fetish for by rationalising the shortcomings of the cars of their choice. The statement that clutches should last 80-100k is simply not true and I personally would hate to see someone make a purchase on such false information.

Is that clear to you?

Please, commenting about cars you like and enjoying chat about them is fine but be honest with people and if there are things about the model you like, (particularly in the case of the Rover 75), there's nothing wrong with being honest about the (many) durability and quality issues it has. It's a nice car to travel in, it looks great and it has an unbeatable interior. Why would you need to bs about the rest?!

illegalpower

Popcorn time!!

manatoo

manatoo wrote: »

On the contrary, I was informing the OP that the original advice he was given regarding the expected life span of a clutch was utter twaddle spouted by the kind of people who very often lurk around these forums hoping to convert people to the cars they have a fetish for by rationalising the shortcomings of the cars of their choice. The statement that clutches should last 80-100k is simply not true and I personally would hate to see someone make a purchase on such false information.

...............there's nothing wrong with being honest about the (many) durability and quality issues it has. It's a nice car to travel in, it looks great and it has an unbeatable interior. Why would you need to bs about the rest?!

The thread is about diesel 75s, please elaborate about the many durability and quality issues you mention. 80 to 100K is not utter twaddle for the life expectancy of a diesel clutch on a modern car.

johnos1984

manatoo wrote: »

Is that clear to you?

No it isn't.

The clutch life is affected in the manual and Op has already stated they would prefer an auto but would be willing to go for a manual. Op was assured that after market parts last longer, to the figures you quote, as long as a full change is effected at the time of repair.

TBH a clutch will last pissing time if it isn't used correctly. My elderly neighbours goes through a clutch every 5k miles :eek:but still won't get an auto

Most modern diesels have clutch longevity issues and the 75 is no different.

So to summarize: you didn't read everything before making yourself look like the end of a bell

I have a Passat with 121k miles and the clutch is original and working like new. I test drove one with 50kms and the clutch was knackered

manatoo

RoverJames wrote: »

The thread is about diesel 75s, please elaborate about the many durability and quality issues you mention. 80 to 100K is not utter twaddle for the life expectancy of a diesel clutch on a modern car.

Short reply need here.

DPF
MAF
HG
5th gear on the box

manatoo

johnos1984 wrote: »

Op was assured that after market parts last longer, to the figures you quote

What figures did I quote?

johnos1984

manatoo wrote: »

Short reply need here.

DPF
MAF
HG
5th gear on the box

EPIC FAIL

johnos1984

manatoo wrote: »

What figures did I quote?

80 to 100k miles

It was 5 minutes ago or are you starting to realise your RONG yet

manatoo

johnos1984 wrote: »

EPIC FAIL

Sure are. Cost you at least 1500 to put them right too...

manatoo

johnos1984 wrote: »

80 to 100k miles

It was 5 minutes ago or are you starting to realise your RONG yet

WTF???! Dude, you said 80-100 was a normal life span!!!! Not me!!!!

johnos1984

manatoo wrote: »

Sure are. Cost you at least 1500 to put them right too...

The thread relates to DIESEL 75's.........

johnos1984

manatoo wrote: »

WTF???! Dude, you said 80-100 was a normal life span!!!! Not me!!!!

You quoted it and it wasn't me who posted it

Thread reading failure;)

Are you trying to get your post count up by posting rubbish?

OP I think is clever enough to realise the issues you highlight affect pretty much ever diesel car now on the market. A good service history and purchasing from someone who knows what they are doing is the way forward

manatoo

johnos1984 wrote: »

You quoted it and it wasn't me who posted it

Thread reading failure;)

By both of us it seems....