McIlroy Meltdown

dats_right

Whilst not entirely unprecedented, the scale of the meltdown is something to behold. It will be very difficult for the lad to recover from it.

Suspiria79

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Bullseye1

Let's be realistic here. He is 21 going on 22. The meltdown by Greg Norman a mature golfer who may have been the world number 1 at the time is a bigger collapse.

pickarooney

He missed a few golf shots and will get about 100 grand for a weekend's work. I'm sure there's a way of coping.

UrbanSea

Suspiria79 wrote: »

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It's a genuine thread,why close it?

It was always going to be hard to win it,but no one could have predicted that.

UrbanSea

pickarooney wrote: »

He missed a few golf shots and will get about 100 grand for a weekend's work. I'm sure there's a way of coping.

Mentally he won't be thinking like that.

PeakOutput

dats_right wrote: »

Whilst not entirely unprecedented, the scale of the meltdown is something to behold. It will be very difficult for the lad to recover from it.

he has melted down before and came back stronger then ever I am sure he will be absolutely gutted but I think he has proved to himself if not everyone else he has exactly what it takes. serious thing for someone so young to go through but no doubt he will be back rearing to go

weldoninhio

From the very first hole he was jittery, i think the pressure got to him and he bottled it. But he's young so i'd hope he'll bounce back and it won't haunt him going forward in his career.

pinkfloyd34

and he threw away a lead at the british open last year, this could play on his mind in the future, this sport is about 95% mentality and 5% skill, any negative thoughts at all and you are screwed, it will be interesting to see how he deals with it, he may have to win a few non major tournaments first before landing his first major

f22

pinkfloyd34 wrote: »

and he threw away a lead at the british open last year, this could play on his mind in the future, this sport is about 95% mentality and 5% skill, any negative thoughts at all and you are screwed, it will be interesting to see how he deals with it, he may have to win a few non major tournaments first before landing his first major

5% skill, congrats, the most retarded post I've ever read!

dats_right

PeakOutput wrote: »

I think he has proved to himself if not everyone else he has exactly what it takes.

I am not so sure. The opposite could just be as easily the case.

heavyballs

pinkfloyd34 wrote: »

and he threw away a lead at the british open last year, this could play on his mind in the future, this sport is about 95% mentality and 5% skill, any negative thoughts at all and you are screwed, it will be interesting to see how he deals with it, he may have to win a few non major tournaments first before landing his first major

i think you need to study maths some more with those %'s,probably the most inaccurate statement i've read hear for a few years

pinkfloyd34

heavyballs wrote: »

i think you need to study maths some more with those %'s,probably the most inaccurate statement i've read hear for a few years

so what % do you think it is

heavyballs

f22 wrote: »

5% skill, congrats, the most retarded post I've ever read!

you beat me to it but the person who thanked the post(dats-right) also deserves a rollickin.......a few odd one's in here tonight.........might need bouncers in future

dabestman1

he can learn from this, maybe he'll have the mental strenghth the next time he has a commanding lead.

heavyballs

pinkfloyd34 wrote: »

so what % do you think it is

if only it was that simple......................................................

copacetic

He's had a shockingly bad day, it happens. Leading a major puts you under terrible pressure. No-one but Immelman has ever lead wire to wire. There is a reason why he would have been the 2nd youngest winner ever, most of the best golfers come good as they mature and can cope better with the pressure. He is learning loads from the experience.

He's had similar experiences before and come back stronger and thats what will happen here too. He has what, about 20 years ahead of him at the top of the game? He'll be alright despite what the know nothing kneejerk reacting internet f*ckwits think.

Slattsy

The after shocks of this will be very hard to get out of his head.
Mentally, as has been said, i think it could stall his career for a few years.

It was hard to look at.

dats_right

Okay, we aren't talking about the difference in skill levels between a club golfer and a pro. We are talking in the in the context of elite professional golfers, where skill levels are all broadly similar. What do you think sets apart the winners of Majors from the nearly men, such as Norman, Montgomerie or Garcia? All three were exceptionally skilled golfers but couldn't close the deal on winning a major, despite being in contention on many occassions. Of course it boils down to the bottling or choking element.

It's too soon to write McIlroy off as joining this band of nearly men, with the skill but not the mental strength to win a major, but serious question marks over his mental strength will now rightly be asked, that is of course until he wins a major.

kippy

He is young - this is still part of a learning curve for him.
He will learn from it - perhaps put some more time into the "mental" side of his game. He's still done o.k and has time on his side to win it in the future.

KeithAFC

Its a different type of pressure when people expected him to win and he just could not hold it together. His time will come again.

Lapin

I think its very premature to write McIlroy off.

Its some achivement to lead the Masters for 3 days at any age.

At 21 its an incredible feat.

If he can focus on the ability that got him this far, his best has yet to come.

He'll be gutted now, but when the dust settles, I think he can look back on this weekend with some pride. Obvious regrets too, but concentrating on the negatives will be the furthest thing on his mind in future tournaments.

I'll definetly be backing him in the near future.

pinkfloyd34

dats_right wrote: »

Okay, we aren't talking about the difference in skill levels between a club golfer and a pro. We are talking in the in the context of elite professional golfers, where skill levels are all broadly similar. What do you think sets apart the winners of Majors from the nearly men, such as Norman, Montgomerie or Garcia? All three were exceptionally skilled golfers but couldn't close the deal on winning a major, despite being in contention on many occassions. Of course it boils down to the bottling or choking element.

It's too soon to write McIlroy off as joining this band of nearly men, with the skill but not the mental strength to win a major, but serious question marks over his mental strength will now rightly be asked, that is of course until he wins a major.

thats what i was kinda trying to say, didnt think i'd be called a retard

UrbanSea

Wouldn't back him in the near future,not a hope.

f22

pinkfloyd34 wrote: »

so what % do you think it is

If your logic was correct Karl Morris would beat Jack's record in a canter!

neckedit

No-one but Immelman has ever lead wire to wire.


and also, Craig Wood (1941), Arnold Palmer (1960), Jack Nicklaus (1972) and Ray Floyd (1976).

Ken.

€5 e/w on rory for each of the 3 remaining big ones. he'll be a big price

Rodin

poor lad

JerryHandbag

heavyballs wrote: »

.....a few odd one's in here tonight....

You can say that again.....just looking to make a few quid I'd say

G1032

dats_right wrote: »

Okay, we aren't talking about the difference in skill levels between a club golfer and a pro. We are talking in the in the context of elite professional golfers, where skill levels are all broadly similar. What do you think sets apart the winners of Majors from the nearly men, such as Norman, Montgomerie or Garcia? All three were exceptionally skilled golfers but couldn't close the deal on winning a major, despite being in contention on many occassions. Of course it boils down to the bottling or choking element.

It's too soon to write McIlroy off as joining this band of nearly men, with the skill but not the mental strength to win a major, but serious question marks over his mental strength will now rightly be asked, that is of course until he wins a major.

Yet another ridiculous statement on boards golf tonight.
Greg Norman, in case you don't know, is a two time major champion.
Where are you lot coming out of tonight?

mike65

What do we know about his caddy, John-Paul Fitzgerald? What Mcllroy needed at the first was wise council but he and his caddy didn't seems to be talking at all. Or maybe Rory being young doesn't like being advised so Fitzgerald doesn't offer advice.

bamboozling

I just don't think McIlroy copes well with pressure. This has been held true today, during the second round of the British Open last year when the going got tough.

His win at Quail Hollow came from very far back when the pressure was off and he could just hit the shots he wanted without fear.

On pure skill he's one of the best in the world but right now he is mentally fragile when the pressure is on.

This day will go down in history as one of the greatest moments of choking/bottling in golf history and rightly so.

dreamer_ire

As well as huge talent the guy has seriously class. Very honest interview just now. He will be back, and a of the few posts tonight will look really ridiculous.

Mr. Larson

Slattsy wrote: »

The after shocks of this will be very hard to get out of his head.
Mentally, as has been said, i think it could stall his career for a few years.

It was hard to look at.

Bull****. Copacetic is right- this will make him a better player which is scary.

BackScrub

dreamer_ire wrote: »

As well as huge talent the guy has seriously class. Very honest interview just now. He will be back, and a of the few posts tonight will look really ridiculous.

Some shocking posts in here tonight. Awful to think I share the planet with the level of muppetry displayed in the last few hours.

Who gives these morons money for broadband?

YohanCabeye7

lucyfur09 wrote: »

€5 e/w on rory for each of the 3 remaining big ones. he'll be a big price

If he does half-decent over the coming few weeks in regular events, he will be less than 20/1 for The Open imo. I would of said around 10/1, but Woods looked so good at times, back to very low odds for him.

If he (Mcillroy) can regain his confidence again in the coming few weeks, then I see no reason why he can't contend in the open this year. average putting included.

Sean Bateman

I'm concerned for McIlroy.

The similarities with Sergio Garcia are alarming. When Sergio went toe to toe with Tiger in the US PGA, I would never have thought that in 2011 he'd be without a Major and unlikely to ever win one.

Rory's not a good putter, and the sad fact is that putting is something that gets worse the older you get. He's also building up scar tissue like Sergio and Norman - Today's events will haunt him.

I'd like to see him leave Andrew "Chubby" Chandler's stable. I've always thought that Chandler isn't professional enough, and McIlroy's too much under the influence of the unprofessional Darren Clarke. ISM seems like a boozers' club rather than a mini IMG.

Is Rory McIlroy a choker a la Garcia, Norman or Montgomerie? I'm starting to think that he is.

People were a little harsh on the guy who made the 95%/5% comment. I know what he meant. It's more mental at the top level. Stick Norman and Faldo out on the practice ground for a skills test and Norman would probably prevail. Turn up the heat though, and the Great White Goldfish starts bleeding.

copacetic

Sean Bateman wrote: »

I'd like to see him leave Andrew "Chubby" Chandler's stable. I've always thought that Chandler isn't professional enough, and McIlroy's too much under the influence of the unprofessional Darren Clarke. ISM seems like a boozers' club rather than a mini IMG..

Yeah right, you would never win the Masters with them looking after you. Oh wait, somone just did 30 mins ago. :rolleyes:

doomed

He's 21. I don't think we can appreciate how pressurised the environment out here is. Greg Norman who was the best golfer in the world at the time did the same.

Great class in his interview. A guy who plays like that will be wearing one of those jackets sooner rather than later,

Sean Bateman

copacetic wrote: »

Yeah right, you would never win the Masters with them looking after you. Oh wait, somone just did 30 mins ago. :rolleyes:

That's irrelevant. Charl may be a consumate professional in his own right. McIlroy seems to be easily led and influenced, and in my view Chandler and Clarke are NOT the right role models/mentors. Lee Westwood became world number one and he's also with ISM...that doesn't invalidate my point.

BackScrub

Sean Bateman wrote: »

I'm concerned for McIlroy.

The similarities with Sergio Garcia are alarming. When Sergio went toe to toe with Tiger in the US PGA, I would never have thought that in 2011 he'd be without a Major and unlikely to ever win one.

Rory's not a good putter, and the sad fact is that putting is something that gets worse the older you get. He's also building up scar tissue like Sergio and Norman - Today's events will haunt him.

I'd like to see him leave Andrew "Chubby" Chandler's stable. I've always thought that Chandler isn't professional enough, and McIlroy's too much under the influence of the unprofessional Darren Clarke. ISM seems like a boozers' club rather than a mini IMG.

Is Rory McIlroy a choker a la Garcia, Norman or Montgomerie? I'm starting to think that he is.

People were a little harsh on the guy who made the 95%/5% comment. I know what he meant. It's more mental at the top level. Stick Norman and Faldo out on the practice ground for a skills test and Norman would probably prevail. Turn up the heat though, and the Great White Goldfish starts bleeding.

Best post tonight - by a considerable distance.

I really hope you're wrong but I have a funny feeling you might not be.

I'll take the positives, he played exceptional golf for 3 rounds. It's not that ridiculous to say he might have -20 starting off today. He also gave a great interview to Kostis who handled the interview very well.

He handled the 3rd round well. He might just learn how to handle 4.

But well done, fantastic post.

YohanCabeye7

copacetic wrote: »

Yeah right, you would never win the Masters with them looking after you. Oh wait, somone just did 30 mins ago. :rolleyes:

Mcillroy is in super shape and has been well prepared for dealing with the media, hard to blame the people looking after him...

bitter

He couldn't handle the pressure.. let's hope he learns from this

Sean Bateman

doomed wrote: »

A guy who plays like that will be wearing one of those jackets sooner rather than later,

That's a big assumption. 12 years ago it would have been a brave man predicting that Sergio Garcia would never win a Major.

I'm a fan of Rory's, but I can't see how shooting 80 and bleeding like a pig on the back nine indicate future success. Quite the opposite in fact. Next time he's in contention, the world and most importantly Rory will be thinking "dodgy putter/choker".

staker

I've no sympathy for him,ever since he got the R8 the 'aul golf bag has been left at home.
He should've got something with a decent sized boot at least.


Gutted for him,but fair play on the interview.
That four putt will haunt him for a long,long time.

bigtimecharlie

When shooting an 80 at St Andrews last year, he did not look interested. At least it was the second round and he had a change to repair the damage.

Today was different, a lead on the 10th tee, a bad swiing and 10 min later at 7. No chance to recover. His putting all week wasn't great, lots of tap in pars but when the pressure came, he couldn't handle it, the 12th a prime example.

Just hope that he learns from this and a bit of luck would help also.

the_doctor199

mike65 wrote: »

What do we know about his caddy, John-Paul Fitzgerald? What Mcllroy needed at the first was wise council but he and his caddy didn't seems to be talking at all. Or maybe Rory being young doesn't like being advised so Fitzgerald doesn't offer advice.

I'd also like to know this, he needed someone to calm him when things were going wrong and it just seemed like he was on his own and things just went downhill. Really hope he can learn from this and do well at The Open. His interview was excellent though, very honest. A great ambassador for NI.

Trenchman

I think he'll be fine. It is devastatingly disappointing for him to finish the way he did,and it was undoubtedly painful to watch,but the man has the equipment physically and mentally to win big tournaments. It would not surprise me in the least if he was to win a major this year.

He is 21.What he achieved this week is nothing short of incredible but comparisons to Sergio and Monty are a little unfair so early in his career.
I genuinely believe this could be a good thing. It's an old cliche but he will learn an incredible amount from this and will come back stronger mentally rather then shattered.

wandatowell

Its very unfortunate but fair play to ya Rory, you done more at 21 than many will ever achieve.


Looking forward to seeing you win many a tourny in the future.

copacetic

Sean Bateman wrote: »

The similarities with Sergio Garcia are alarming. When Sergio went toe to toe with Tiger in the US PGA, I would never have thought that in 2011 he'd be without a Major and unlikely to ever win one.

As for this total ill informed rubbish:rolleyes:. There are little or no similarities with Garcia, never mind alarming ones. Apart from being a good golfer when young.

Sergio came into the game with amazing hand eye co-ordination but a shockingly unorthodox loopy swing which he spend the next 6 years trying to change into a decent repeatable one. Rory comes in to the game with what is widely regarded as the best swing in golf.

Sean Bateman

Trenchman wrote: »

It's an old cliche but he will learn an incredible amount from this and will come back stronger mentally rather then shattered.

I don't believe that's the case at all.

He's accumulating scar tissue. If he'd kicked on and won the tournament, next time he'd be able to draw on those good feelings. Now when he's next in contention, he'll have horrible feelings about today to draw on. At the first sign of a problem, it'll almost be a case of "here we go again".