Microchips - a little bit of info from me

EGAR

I have taken in several dogs lately who have been chipped but the chips are not registered, it is getting really really frustrating so could people PLEASE spread the info that it is NOT enough just to have them chipped, the chip needs to be registered by the owner!

Also, lots of chips with the 972. prefix which puzzled me and other rescues as they do not show up on any of the usual sites such as Fido, Animark or Europetnet. They do however use that prefix with the Irish Cob Society so it got really mysterious until I found out that flipping *Canine Ireland* uses that prefix and since they are not connected with Fido etc NONE of their chips show up unless you go to their website and use their crappy search engine.

I am sick of Canine Ireland tbh. but I thought since a lot of rescues read and post here, it may be of interest to them.

Knine

Great advice. If the new owners go into their vets, they can get a pack for fido.ie for 15 euro approx and register the dogs with them. All the instructions are with the pack. It is also easy enough to change details on Fido.ie at a larger stage if needed.

Ive heard of this happening with lots of dogs, once they are chipped the owners think they are fine and never bother register their own details.

EGAR

Also, if you happened to have a dog with 972. prefix PLEASE reg it with Fido as well as most rescues will use only the usual MC sites and NOT Canine Ireland.

Chris_Heilong

I lost my Fido form with the website reg number, I have the micro chip number, can I just got to the vet and buy a new fido number?

ppink

how do we check this?

our vet did all the paperwork associated with our dogs

mymo

Chris-Just give fido a call, they are quite helpful.

ppink, get the vet to scan it, then go online and search each database for the info.

EGAR

Chris, ring your vet and ask them to register the dog for you.

ppink, you can pm me the numbers and I check them for you, if you like.

Knine

They also have a website with info

http://www.fido.ie/home.html

EGAR

Alternatively, go to http://www.europetnet.com/MembersDetails.aspx?Asso_ID=PLO put in chip number and then FIDO, ANIMARK, IKC should show up if the chip is reg'd with them. Obviously, it doesn't give you owner details but it DOES tell you whether the chip is reg'd and with which company.

Discodog

It's lazy Vets that chip the dog & then tell you to fill in & send off the form.
My Vet always submits the details online there & then.

EGAR

Discodog wrote: »

It's lazy Vets that chip the dog & then tell you to fill in & send off the form.
My Vet always submits the details online there & then.

The onus is on the owner to assure their pets are safe and properly reg'd.

Knine

EGAR wrote: »

Alternatively, go to http://www.europetnet.com/MembersDetails.aspx?Asso_ID=PLO put in chip number and then FIDO, ANIMARK, IKC should show up if the chip is reg'd with them. Obviously, it doesn't give you owner details but it DOES tell you whether the chip is reg'd and with which company.

Thanks thats very useful. I was not aware of that site.

EGAR

Knine wrote: »

Thanks thats very useful. I was not aware of that site.

I always search there first, it saves me time so I don't have to go through each site, this one shows straight away which company etc.

Discodog

EGAR wrote: »

The onus is on the owner to assure their pets are safe and properly reg'd.

Yep but owners don't. There have been genuine cases where owners believe that a microchip is a GPS tracker !.

We know that some owners are challenged so it is better for the Vet to take responsibility. Mine even checks the chip on later visits.

andreac

Discodog wrote: »

It's lazy Vets that chip the dog & then tell you to fill in & send off the form.
My Vet always submits the details online there & then.

Most pet owners get a pup thats already microchipped so the details are registered to the breeder initially, so then the new owner has to register their own details by sending off the form.

Its up to the owner of the dog to make sure its done and transferred into their own details.

doctor evil

Is the same thing happening with cats?

We got our last cat from the DSPCA wouldn't even have thought about having to register the MC.

EGAR

None of the cats I have taken in are MC'd so I don't know. However, the system is the same.

EGAR

andreac wrote: »

Most pet owners get a pup thats already microchipped so the details are registered to the breeder initially, so then the new owner has to register their own details by sending off the form.

Its up to the owner of the dog to make sure its done and transferred into their own details.

If I would have gotten a tenner each time I got an adult dog in, MC reg'd to *breeder* who couldn't remember whom he sold the dog to as a pup - I'd be rich.

andreac

EGAR wrote: »

If I would have gotten a tenner each time I got an adult dog in, MC reg'd to *breeder* who couldn't remember whom he sold the dog to as a pup - I'd be rich.

I know, im sure you would.:D
I was just pointing out to Discodog that many people who buy a pup, will have already been MC'd by the breeder, so the vet wouldnt be able to do anything for the new owner as it would already be registered.

EGAR

I am agree 100% with you, Andreac. It is the (new) owner's responsibility - simples.

When I got the Otterhounds, I made sure that their details were transfered into my name!

Phoebe Bassett's ex-owner dumped her in rescue where she wandered from home to home due to behavioural issues before ending up with me. I cannot transfer her details into my name as ex-owner is not reachable. BUT, I did make the IKC to stick an appendix on her file AND re-registered her chip with FIDO.

tazwaz

hi, i have my guy registered with www.petnet.ie is that enough?

EGAR

No, it isn't. Read my OP. Petnet is Canine Ireland, I presume your dog's MC starts with 927?

tazwaz

His chip no starts with 972. I going to ring fido tomor morn...why they can't combine all microchip sites or just have one is beyond me...I was one of the stupid people that presumed there was a national database...

EGAR

Sorry, yes, that is the prefix I meant, not 927. Canine Ireland is a sham, their database is a joke. The 972 is a weird chip number connected with the Irish Cob Society and God knows how many dogs with that prefix have gone down in the pound or have been rehomed as the chips don't show up on regular databases. I had to search like a maniac to find it and it was only because I found an old thread on PI that things finally fell into place and connected with Canine Ireland.

mosi

I got my boy done at the DSCPA stand at PetExpo last year, and I filled out the registration form and left in with them. However, my vet told me that they could not find his details on any database. I rang Pet Trace and gave them the chip details, and he is registered. I also checked on Euro Pet Net, and the chip comes up as registered. PetTrace told me they had a few people with the same problem.
My other dog is registered with Fido. She was chipped on her way out of the pound in Louth, and I filled in registration details with them. They never sent the details on though (it was for Animark), so I've done it myself with Fido.

moving_home

EGAR thanks so much for all your help through PM. Think there is alot of confusion around the Microchip issue...dread to think what would have happened if my little one went missing over the past year so thanks a mil!

Discodog

andreac wrote: »

I know, im sure you would.:D
I was just pointing out to Discodog that many people who buy a pup, will have already been MC'd by the breeder, so the vet wouldnt be able to do anything for the new owner as it would already be registered.

Well the routine at my Vet is if they get a new patient, say for a second Vac, they check for a chip & check to see if it's registered. It's basic common sense.

andreac

Discodog wrote: »

Well the routine at my Vet is if they get a new patient, say for a second Vac, they check for a chip & check to see if it's registered. It's basic common sense.

Yes they can check, but the breeder would have registered the chip and handed the details to the new owner when they bought the pup, who in turn sends off the form, its nothing to do with the vets at that stage then. They can only scan for the chip.

Wisco

I routinely hand out Fido re-registration forms to anyone who comes in wiht a 972 chip or if I can't get the owner details on the chip websites when pups come in for vaccinations. You don't pay the vet a fee for the Fido re-reg form, you just fill it in and send it off to Fido. They then send you a letter and you pay them a fee directly if the chip is not already registered to you and they will then list your chip in their database.
Canine Ireland is a total joke- those dogs are not 'registered' in the traditional kennel club sense (ie, they're no longer official pedigree dogs and are not eligible for showing in kennel club recognized shows, as far as I know) and the chip database is useless.

andreac

Wisco, you are correct. Canine Ireland are not affiliated with the Kennel Club and dogs reg'd with them cannot be shown or cant have their progeny reg'd with the IKC if they arent already registered with the IKC themselves.

Its a way for certain so called breeders*:rolleyes: to try and convince people that their pups are registered, when they are not IKC registered, bloody joke is right.
But its up to the buyer to check all this out before buying a pup.

tazwaz

hi, i'm looking for a phone number for fido but there dosent seem to be any on thier website....would anyone have it please?

tazwaz

hi, i got their number and oscar will soon be registered with fido.ie, thanks egar for pointing this out to us

ELF Group

Hello all, very interesting thread. There are however some errors which I would like to correct relating to Microchips beginning with 972.

First, I'll state my interest. I represent ELF Group Holdings Limited, a privately owned Irish company that has been in the Microchip business for over 12 years. We were the first organisation to introduce Microchips for equines on a large scale when we partnered with The Show Jumping Association of Ireland. Since then we have grown to be the largest supplier of this technology in Ireland and have expanded into foreign markets.

We currently sell Microchips starting with the Manufacturers code of 972 into the Irish Market. People have mentioned organisations such as the Irish Cob Society and Canine Ireland already in this thread. Yes, both these and many other animal organisations and Veterinary practices nationwide are customers of ours. We thank all of them for their business.

There is nothing unusual about the products we sell. They all conform to the relevant ISO standards and we were the first company authorised under the control of horses legislation.

Our credentials thus established, I want to deal with some of the inaccuracies thus far in this thread.

1. PetNet.ie is not owned or controlled by Canine Ireland. PetNet.ie is an independent website which operates in much the same way as EuroPetnet - except that it is a lot more economical for Registers to join, and is exclusively for Ireland. Keepers of registry's of Microchipped animals contribute their list of microchips to PetNet.ie for an annual fee of just 200.00 Euro. It was set up as a simple answer to the issue of the many registration organisations not having a place to centralise data. It is run on a 'cover costs' basis.

2."Also, if you happened to have a dog with 972. prefix PLEASE reg it with Fido as well as most rescues will use only the usual MC sites and NOT Canine Ireland"

Again, this is a misleading statement. There is no need to re-register your animal with Fido simply because its chip number starts with 972. We really have to divorce the manufacturers code on the chip with what organisations decide to do with registration details. If your animal is not registered on any database, then yes, we encourage you to register the animal to help ensure its return if it strays. There are a number of registers to choose from, and your choice should be based on the respective plusses or minuses of each.

3."hi, i have my guy registered with www.petnet.ie is that enough?
No, it isn't. Read my OP. Petnet is Canine Ireland, I presume your dog's MC starts with 927?"

I'm beginning to detect a trend here. Let me be quite emphatic.
PetNet.is IS NOT Canine Ireland.

Again, let me be quite emphatic: 972 IS NOT canine Ireland. Yes, this organisation, like many others throughout Ireland, purchases microchips from ELF Group, and we are very happy with the business.

4. "His chip no starts with 972. I going to ring fido tomor morn...why they can't combine all microchip sites or just have one is beyond me...I was one of the stupid people that presumed there was a national database... "

Your point is well made. There should be a central repository of data for microchipped animals. PetNet.ie is attempting to do this. Again, the annual fee is minimal, organisations can upload unlimited chip numbers, its not run on a profit basis (only covering costs).

5. "The 972 is a weird chip number connected with the Irish Cob Society and God knows how many dogs with that prefix have gone down in the pound or have been rehomed as the chips don't show up on regular databases. I had to search like a maniac to find it and it was only because I found an old thread on PI that things finally fell into place and connected with Canine Ireland. "

EGAR - It is my opinion that such comments may damage the reputation of our company and the products we sell. There is nothing "weird" about chip numbers beginning with the manufacturers code of '972'. It is in no way 'connected' with the Irish Cob Society other than that they have been a valued and respected customer of ours in the past, (and if we continue to provide good product at a reasonable price, then hopefully they will be a customer in the future. The same applied to Canine Ireland and the many other organisations who are good enough to place their business with us). These are Microchips that we sell, have been selling for quite some time, and will continue to sell into the future. They are ISO standard, are manufactured and assembled by a very reputable organisation. We have been in this business for quite some time and have survived and prospered because we supply good product at keen prices and are known for our honesty and impartiality.

I respectfully request that you retract your comments about our products being weird, and perhaps you might post in reply whether you continue to stand over what I believe to be inaccuracies in your posts, or whether you want to maintain your position.

dollydishmop

Interesting, only just caught up on this post...thanks to EGAR for bringing the subject up...and thanks for posting Mr Elf Holdings.

Would be fascinated to know, Mr. Elf Holdings, why when I contacted you 18 months or so ago, representing my local rescue, about a dog that had been handed in to us, with a chip number registered to your company, you refused to give me the contact details for the dog's owner.

And even when the gardai approached you, on our rescue's behalf, you still refused to give us the owner's details.

You repeatedly used the data protection act as your pitiful defence for your refusal to co-operate, yet that dog's owner no doubt gave you their contact details in good faith, so that, in such a situation, their contact details would be used to re-unite them with their beloved pet!

We did eventually re-unite the dog and owner, to huge smiles all round...but with absolutely no help from you or your microchip database!
The first thing we did, was re-register that dog, on the owner's behalf, with Fido.

My experience with your company is the SOLE reason I implore people to register with the preferred databases...Fido, Animark etc. Those databases do allow legitimate rescues complete access to the database, allowing stray/stolen dogs to be successfully reunited with their owners.

I am a trained micorchipper, I chip all the dogs for our rescue, for other rescues, and also for private pet owners...and I could, hand on heart, never recommend your database.

Reuniting that dog with its owners should have been a quick and seemless process. That is THE WHOLE POINT of microchipping pets. But trying to deal with your company was like repeatedly banging my head against a brick wall!

Shameful!

EGAR

ELF Group wrote: »

EGAR - It is my opinion that such comments may damage the reputation of our company and the products we sell. There is nothing "weird" about chip numbers beginning with the manufacturers code of '972'. It is in no way 'connected' with the Irish Cob Society other than that they have been a valued and respected customer of ours in the past, (and if we continue to provide good product at a reasonable price, then hopefully they will be a customer in the future. The same applied to Canine Ireland and the many other organisations who are good enough to place their business with us). These are Microchips that we sell, have been selling for quite some time, and will continue to sell into the future. They are ISO standard, are manufactured and assembled by a very reputable organisation. We have been in this business for quite some time and have survived and prospered because we supply good product at keen prices and are known for our honesty and impartiality.

I respectfully request that you retract your comments about our products being weird, and perhaps you might post in reply whether you continue to stand over what I believe to be inaccuracies in your posts, or whether you want to maintain your position.

I have not the slightest in intention of withdrawing any comment I made on this thread. On the contrary, I repeat: your chips are so hard to trace that dogs probably die in the pounds because of it. As for the 972 in no way being connected with the Irish Cob Society: http://www.irishcobsociety.com/ics_download_forms/DAFF_list_of_approved_orgs.pdf

:rolleyes:

Discodog

ELF Group wrote: »

I respectfully request that you retract your comments about our products being weird, and perhaps you might post in reply whether you continue to stand over what I believe to be inaccuracies in your posts, or whether you want to maintain your position.

This statement says more about your company than anything else. EGAR is very highly respected here & is known to be a person of the highest integrity. If she states here that she has had problems then the vast majority will believe & support her.

It seems a strange commercial decision to make this remark rather than thanking EGAR for highlighting a serious problem. Anyone with a basic knowledge of pet security would know that a database that only covers Ireland is pointless.

So instead of requesting retractions how about your company saying sorry & maybe making a donation to help EGAR in rescuing hundreds of dogs.

ELF Group

Guys, I'm giving up after this one.:)

I'm sure all of you are respected people, have integrity etc. I've made absolutely no comment to the contrary, and I have no idea who you are so cannot possibly have any pre conceived notions.

I have no axe to grind with anyone. I have no agenda or anything else other than a straight commercial one to point out factual inaccuracies. I have been upfront with the identity of our company.

I simply posted in order to correct inaccurate statements, and to defend the products we sell. No one can argue with the fact that the products are 100% ISO certified. There is nothing 'weird' about the numbering sequence -the 972 is simply an ICAR Manufacturers code unique to a manufacturer of Microchips - a system that all the manufacturers who sign up to ISO have in place.

In relation to the secondary contention about not helping someone reunite an animal - I simply made the point that it is not our policy to give out information over the phone - and our agreement with customers is that we contact them when an animal welfare organisation, vet, pound etc. report to us, so that they can then make contact in order to collect their animal.

For sure, criticise all you want, and honestly, we always listen to valid criticism, but when something is factually incorrect, surely you understand that commercially I must defend.

Apologies if anything has come across offensively (maybe I'm reading too much into the responses but it seems people are offended - may be I am wrong?), my only intention is to keep the record straight.

And with that I bow out!!:)

moving_home

Thanks a mil EGAR. Got sorted today with Fido and doggie is now registered with no problems. Rang the so-called "breeder" today and she just really angry and defensive. Tried to fob me off with saying that they were trying to do a good thing by MC'ing her at all until I said that to sell pups registered with IKC they had to be MC :rolleyes: got nowhere with her ...

Chris_Heilong

Thanks EGAR and everyone, got my dog registered, went down to the vet and explained the situaton, altough the receptionist seemed a little confussed at first she help me out and gave me a new reg code.:)

perri winkles

Hi guys,

Just wondering, we got our dogs from the DSPCA and they were chipped there. We were given a tag which had a number on it and a pin number so if anyone found them, they just had to ring the number and quote the pin.
Would it mean that my dogs are registered? NOthing was said about registering them. Are they registered with the DSPCA?

I have no idea!

Wisco

You can probably ring your local vets with the chip number and ask them to search for you, or ring the DSPCA and ask them what database their chips are registered in.

dollydishmop

perri winkles wrote: »

Hi guys,

Just wondering, we got our dogs from the DSPCA and they were chipped there. We were given a tag which had a number on it and a pin number so if anyone found them, they just had to ring the number and quote the pin.
Would it mean that my dogs are registered? NOthing was said about registering them. Are they registered with the DSPCA?

I have no idea!

Wisco wrote: »

ring the DSPCA and ask them what database their chips are registered in.

Hi Guys

The DSPCA run their own database, PetTrace...which is absolutely fine for your dogs to be registered on. It is searchable by the 2 main european databases, and accessible to legitimate rescues, dog wardens etc.
So there are no worries with the DSPCA chips

deadlast

EGAR wrote: »

Alternatively, go to http://www.europetnet.com/MembersDetails.aspx?Asso_ID=PLO put in chip number and then FIDO, ANIMARK, IKC should show up if the chip is reg'd with them. Obviously, it doesn't give you owner details but it DOES tell you whether the chip is reg'd and with which company.

My dog is registered with the IKC, I sent off the IKC form and fee reregistering her when I got her as a pup. I searched the above site with her MC number and it does point towards the IKC....see below. Is this enough for a vet/pound to track me down if she ever gets lost?
i.e. Are the IKC contactable in relation to owner details for a found pet?






Search Results

• Results from the Europetnet databaseFound in: (click on association name for details)
• IRELAND
  Irish Kennel Club
  This record was last updated on 07/05/2010 in this database.

• More results from the Internet
  (Currently connected databases)
  No more results found.

DBB

Not necessarily Deadlast, I'm afraid!
The registration details you changed relate to the IKC registry (deals with pedigrees, issuing papers etc), but not to a microchip registry. In other words, your paperwork puts your name on the dog's registration papers, but I'm not so sure the IKC also automatically changes the contact details registered on the dog's microchip. Someone else here may be able to confirm this.
But I can tell you, I get plenty of microchipped dogs into rescue whose microchip details are still registered to the breeder. Some breeders keep records of which pup was sold to who, but not all of them do.
In addition, if the breeder didn't bother registering any details to the chip, and the new owner doesn't ensure that they register with the microchip database either, we often end up with dogs which are chipped but have no contact details of anyone at all, which is a reason why this thread was originally started!
So, I'd advise that you contact the IKC and find out if your dog's microchip is registered to you. Or if you like, PM me the microchip number and I'll search the databases to see are your details on the microchip.

deadlast

DBB wrote: »

Not necessarily Deadlast, I'm afraid!
The registration details you changed relate to the IKC registry (deals with pedigrees, issuing papers etc), but not to a microchip registry. In other words, your paperwork puts your name on the dog's registration papers, but I'm not so sure the IKC also automatically changes the contact details registered on the dog's microchip. Someone else here may be able to confirm this.
But I can tell you, I get plenty of microchipped dogs into rescue whose microchip details are still registered to the breeder. Some breeders keep records of which pup was sold to who, but not all of them do.
In addition, if the breeder didn't bother registering any details to the chip, and the new owner doesn't ensure that they register with the microchip database either, we often end up with dogs which are chipped but have no contact details of anyone at all, which is a reason why this thread was originally started!
So, I'd advise that you contact the IKC and find out if your dog's microchip is registered to you. Or if you like, PM me the microchip number and I'll search the databases to see are your details on the microchip.

I had a quick look at my IKC cert and i'm down as the registered owner. But I would be interested to see what comes back with your MC search, just in case... PM sent, thanks

scarlet_mandy

deadlast wrote: »

My dog is registered with the IKC, I sent off the IKC form and fee reregistering her when I got her as a pup. I searched the above site with her MC number and it does point towards the IKC....see below. Is this enough for a vet/pound to track me down if she ever gets lost?
i.e. Are the IKC contactable in relation to owner details for a found pet?






Search Results

• Results from the Europetnet databaseFound in: (click on association name for details)
• IRELAND
  Irish Kennel Club
  This record was last updated on 07/05/2010 in this database.

• More results from the Internet
  (Currently connected databases)
  No more results found.

Exactly the same situation as this for us, just checked there and got same results. We also sent off change of ownership form so if I contact them would they give me the details over the phone? Also if our dog got lost would her details come up, as she has one starting with 972? If not can you re-register with a diff database like Fido? Sorry just super confused regarding this!

DBB

Hi scarlet mandy,
It's been pretty much confirmed to me that when you have your change-of-ownership done to have your name put on the IKC registration cert, the microchip details are NOT also transferred automatically.
The IKC cert is a different entity to the microchip registration.
So, if you have not personally registered the details on the microchip to you, then your dog is either still registered to the breeder, or not registered at all.
Do people with a new pup not get a microchip change-of-ownership form so they can do this?
I know fido issue such documentation with pups, but not so sure animark do? So if you didn't get such a form, your dog is probably registered with animark under the breeder's name. If registered at all.
So you need to take personal responsibility for ensuring your pup's microchip details are registered to you.
It is very confusing, not helped by there being several different and independent microchip databases in Ireland!

PS You can register your dog with every database for a fee if you want, but certainly fido are important to be registered with as their database is easily accessible to pounds, rescues, vets etc, and is generally the first port of call if a chipped dog is picked up. I'd also register, or amend the registration details, with animark.

deadlast

scarlet_mandy wrote: »

Exactly the same situation as this for us, just checked there and got same results. We also sent off change of ownership form so if I contact them would they give me the details over the phone? Also if our dog got lost would her details come up, as she has one starting with 972? If not can you re-register with a diff database like Fido? Sorry just super confused regarding this!

DBB kindly did a search on my dogs MC number and the details came back to the breeder. So the MC details were not updated even though the IKC cert is now registered to me. I will definitely be changing her registration with Animark and probably registering her with Fido.

Hope this helps.

mymo

To those of you that have IKC reg dogs, when you got your dog and the cert with instructions to change the cert to your name and address, you should also have gotten a little leaflet with the microchip number on.
This leaflet has instructions on how to change the chip to your name and address.
Both my dogs had these, infact both breeders had the dogs chips in their names and advised I fill in the leaflet for the chip and post it off, since the chip was registered in their names, if the dog was found it would be traced to them, therefore I needed to change the details.
I do believe there are many breeders not putting the chips in their names, just leaving them blank, my vet has said if he chips a dog he insists its registered in his office via the online option, he said all vets should do this. I think so too, or whats the point of chipping the dog.

deadlast

mymo wrote: »

To those of you that have IKC reg dogs, when you got your dog and the cert with instructions to change the cert to your name and address, you should also have gotten a little leaflet with the microchip number on.
This leaflet has instructions on how to change the chip to your name and address.
Both my dogs had these, infact both breeders had the dogs chips in their names and advised I fill in the leaflet for the chip and post it off, since the chip was registered in their names, if the dog was found it would be traced to them, therefore I needed to change the details.
I do believe there are many breeders not putting the chips in their names, just leaving them blank, my vet has said if he chips a dog he insists its registered in his office via the online option, he said all vets should do this. I think so too, or whats the point of chipping the dog.

I never got that little leaflet, hence the MC details were never changed over from the breeder to me.

Thanks to all in this thread for highliighting it!

scarlet_mandy

Thanks for the replies! I don't remember getting that leaflet but I will have a look again in the house I checked already and she isn't registered at all with Animark, or Fido, so I was planning on registering her with Fido anyway, would I also then need to register her separately with Animark?