'Gay Bashing' - its not a joke.

arybvtcw0eolkf

This is going to be a little disjointed, first off I'm still angry - I've had approx 3 hrs kip since yesterday - and I'm in a hurry to get some beers on ice and top up my sunburn!.

I'll come right out and say f*ck all the racism threads around here - personally I've never witnessed any form of race attack in this country, or anything close to it..

But, here's the craic - I've witnessed lots of gay bashing, and tbh total intolerance towards the gay community, and how is it generally threated (yes, I'm poxy well generalizing) - like a big ol' gay joke.

Last night was just another night of it (The Master, Mod here witnessed the end of this).. Another gay bashing on the quay's in Dublin (Mods don't treat this like a Dublin issue please)..

Another young gay man beaten up because he dared not to hide, dared to be different.

I won't say its a daily occurance, but I will say I'm witnessing and dealing with several similar attacks months.

Its sickening, I'm sickened (again) today - and yes, it breaks my heart a little too.

Its not a joke.

Sinfonia

Possible latent homosexuality in the assailant too...

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sinfonia wrote: »

Possible latent homosexuality in the assailant too...

Its not - its scumbags taking advantage of a soft, easy target.

Just to stress, this wasn't just a kick up the arse - this was another full blown beating.

We had the guards down and were waiting for an ambulance, the lad was in a bad way.. Just because some scumbags seen easy prey - they're no better than wild animals on the streets, dirt.

Micky Dolenz

What happened to the guy? did anyone help him?

Wompa1

Meh! I don't think it's anything unique to the gay community. I think most people receive some form of abuse. Getting beat up just for being gay is pretty far gone alright, if that is what happened. Did you witness everything? Was he giving lip to the people?

I catch sh!t on a night out because I have an American accent (Have lived in Ireland my whole life, just got the accent from my American mother) and I'm only about 5ft 9 and have a baby face. I can barely go a day without at least one of these being used against me in a mean way but f**k it, that's life. People are a$$holes.

I'm different to people here because of all those things. Gay people, well camp gay people have an obvious difference which can be their target for ridicule. Black people have an obvious difference etc. etc. I don't think it's racism as much as it's hate and aggression. Those guys that beat up the gay guy probably would have beat up someone else that crossed their path for some other BS reason...but just my 2 cents!

arybvtcw0eolkf

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

What happened to the guy? did anyone help him?

Was he helped, yes.

Cianos

I've noticed that gay people are slowly becoming more public as time goes by, which is great to see. Unfortunately, not hiding it means your exposing yourself to the ignorant who are going to set you as a target. But the more exposure it's given the faster things will progress and those who would take out their aggression on homosexuals just because they're different will realise that they themselves are the outcasts.

rochey84

Wompa1 wrote: »

I catch sh!t on a night out because I have an American accent (Have lived in Ireland my whole life, just got the accent from my American mother) and I'm only about 5ft 9 and have a baby face. I can barely go a day without at least one of these being used against me in a mean way but f**k it, that's life. People are a$$holes.

Thats verbal abuse which although can be damaging is not life threatening whereas getting physically beaten just for being gay is not fair!

Wompa1

rochey84 wrote: »

Thats verbal abuse which although can be damaging is not life threatening whereas getting physically beaten just for being gay is not fair!

Yeah I hear ya, I let it roll off my back. But just having lived here for 25 years now I haven't really seen much else in terms of abuse of gay people..I wouldn't think many if anybody would physically assault someone for being gay here.

But maybe I'm naive. I've known a good few gay people and they hadn't even suggested that they'd been verbally abused before. I think maybe gay people feel like they are restricted here because it's such a small place and many aren't out and have problems with others knowing they are gay but that's because of their own hang ups and assumptions.

Eric Cartman

I have no problem with gay people, but queens have to stop , theres nothing wrong with being gay but being over the top and using your sexuality as your only character trait and rubbing it in everyones face is where most of this stems from.

joshrogan

He probably wouldn't have been a target if he didn't flaunt his sexuality, equally I'm sure if they'd seen a womanizer who was good with or keen on the ladies they would've "bashed" him aswell, at the end of the day if they're looking for a scrap they'll get one at any justification.

Wompa1

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I have no problem with gay people, but queens have to stop , theres nothing wrong with being gay but being over the top and using your sexuality as your only character trait and rubbing it in everyones face is where most of this stems from.

That's kind of true. Overly flamboyant gay men kind of rub their sexuality in peoples faces. If you ever read Perez Hilton or that Pink news site (I use to read that because an ex was studying human sexuality so was taking an interest) gay people try to champion their cause but tend to come across as very petty about things. It's not just that they want to be equal, it's as though they need to be recognized as being brave for being who they are and all that crap. When I'd assume most people are like me and just don't care about if they are gay or not.

Some of those campaigners...like other protestors or people that play race cards will only do damage to their cause.

Killer Pigeon

Kameron Scruffy Physician wrote: »

personally I've never witnessed any form of race attack in this country, or anything close to it..

Just because you haven't seen it or heard it doesn't mean it's not there - it's like radiation.

slavetothegrind

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I have no problem with gay people, but queens have to stop , theres nothing wrong with being gay but being over the top and using your sexuality as your only character trait and rubbing it in everyones face is where most of this stems from.

being over the top?

who made you the judge of that?

i was set upon many times in my youth for my "over the top" as you would call it, clothing ( metal head).

kindly edit your offensive and ignorant statement as it does you no favours.

Eric Cartman

Wompa1 wrote: »

That's kind of true. Overly flamboyant gay men kind of rub their sexuality in peoples faces. If you ever read Perez Hilton or that Pink news site (I use to read that because an ex was studying human sexuality so was taking an interest) gay people try to champion their cause but tend to come across as very petty about things. It's not just that they want to be equal, it's as though they need to be recognized as being brave for being who they are and all that crap. When I'd assume most people are like me and just don't care about if they are gay or not.

Some of those campaigners...like other protestors or people that play race cards will only do damage to their cause.

one of the biggest problems with the fight for gay rights is the people who seem to champion it. the way a lot of the gay community treat it would be the equivalent of fighting for black rights using OJ simpson and tupac as positive examples. I have a few gay friends that you would never be able to pick out as gay unless you asked them - that im fine with, somebodys sexuality shouldnt define their whole personality and way they present themselves to people , I fúcking hate queens and theres been a fair few times in pubs ive been tempted to throw a few digs with their carry on

rochey84

joshrogan wrote: »

He probably wouldn't have been a target if he didn't flaunt his sexuality, equally I'm sure if they'd seen a womanizer who was good with or keen on the ladies they would've "bashed" him aswell, at the end of the day if they're looking for a scrap they'll get one at any justification.

You see straight people flaunting their sexuality every day of the week when they are walking down the street holding hands or kissing on the street. So what gives straight people the right to flaunt their sexuality but not gay people? I'm not saying we should go out and beat the crap out of every couple we see but why when a gay couple are just expressing their right to be who they are should they get beaten up?

And I'm very quick to add that it takes a very brave couple to do that cause of muppets who would claim they are flaunting their sexuality and rubbing their faces in it,

And to be fair we don't know if this guy was camp or not, and even if he was some people are naturally camp please don't associate this with be extremly over flamboyant, but I know some people that are very quiet and camp at the same time.

Eric Cartman

rochey84 wrote: »

You see straight people flaunting their sexuality every day of the week when they are walking down the street holding hands or kissing on the street. So what gives straight people the right to flaunt their sexuality but not gay people? I'm not saying we should go out and beat the crap out of every couple we see but why when a gay couple are just expressing their right to be who they are should they get beaten up?

And I'm very quick to add that it takes a very brave couple to do that cause of muppets who would claim they are flaunting their sexuality and rubbing their faces in it,

And to be fair we don't know if this guy was camp or not, and even if he was some people are naturally camp please don't associate this with be extremly over flamboyant, but I know some people that are very quiet and camp at the same time.

if he wasnt overly flambouyant how did the op know he was gay ?

DeVore

Cartman, thats like sayin "these women have to stop pushing their sexuality, its the mean reason they get a slap or two"....

I dont like queens but they have every bit as much right to dress up on a saturday night and flaunt it as any slapper.


DeV.

Chuchoter

Wompa1 wrote: »

Meh! I don't think it's anything unique to the gay community. I think most people receive some form of abuse. Getting beat up just for being gay is pretty far gone alright, if that is what happened. Did you witness everything? Was he giving lip to the people?

I catch sh!t on a night out because I have an American accent (Have lived in Ireland my whole life, just got the accent from my American mother) and I'm only about 5ft 9 and have a baby face. I can barely go a day without at least one of these being used against me in a mean way but f**k it, that's life. People are a$$holes.

I'm different to people here because of all those things. Gay people, well camp gay people have an obvious difference which can be their target for ridicule. Black people have an obvious difference etc. etc. I don't think it's racism as much as it's hate and aggression. Those guys that beat up the gay guy probably would have beat up someone else that crossed their path for some other BS reason...but just my 2 cents!

Yeah thats really not the same thing....

I feel like in the last year or two there seem to have been more gay bashings that you hear about, this could be put down to more reporting or just more of them, and personally I think its the latter.

However, I kind of have to agree with people not liking insanely in your face gay people, but I honestly think its an age thing. There are a lot of very young gay people for whom being gay and out completely takes over their life and there is just nothing else to their personality, whereas you have other people who are gay in a lot of stereotypical ways, but they also have lots of other things in their personality.Even still though, you can't use either of these things as an excuse to blame someone for getting attacked What I don't like though is people considering going out with your boyfriend/girlfriend and holding hands or kissing to be shoving it in other peoples faces. Thats just heterosexual privilege talking.

Bannasidhe

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I have no problem with gay people, but queens have to stop , theres nothing wrong with being gay but being over the top and using your sexuality as your only character trait and rubbing it in everyones face is where most of this stems from.

What -like straight women in tight,low cut tops? Or those men who think they are God's gift?

Yeah -heterosexuals are never blatant about their sexual orientation nor is it ever 'rubbed in everyones face'.

Are you seriously implying queens deserve to be physically assualted as they are too over the top in expressing their sexuality? For Shame!

rochey84

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if he wasnt overly flambouyant how did the op know he was gay ?

Cause the OP spoke to him, or he could have been the 1 of the brave people who decided to show affection to his partner on the street without him being over the top and flamboyant, or are you of the belief that showing affection by simply holding hands or giving a kiss to their loved ones, I'm not talkin about wearing the faces off each other I mean a little peck on the cheek or a little peck on the mouth, that they are being over the top and flamboyant and rubbing their sexuality in your face?

DeVore

PS: for any young gay folk out there being bullied or harrassed, there is a great series of youtubes called "It Gets Better" made by all sorts of different interesting and famous people sharing their experiences. Google it, its really heartening.

DeV.

rochey84

DeVore wrote: »

PS: for any young gay folk out there being bullied or harrassed, there is a great series of youtubes called "It Gets Better" made by all sorts of different interesting and famous people sharing their experiences. Google it, its really heartening.

DeV.

And also BeLonGTo have launched their Stand Up Campagin, if you're being bullied or harrassed talk to someone there is a great service if you're still in your teens, Teenline Ireland I don't work for them but they are great here is a link if it is allowed:
www.teenline.ie

Sinfonia

Eric Cartman wrote: »

being over the top and using your sexuality as your only character trait and rubbing it in everyones face is where most of this stems from.

No.
It stems from aggressive and violent people targeting others.
Physical violence is illegal, immoral (imo), and seriously fcuking dumb.
It doesn't matter who the target is, and the people who beat this guy up don't really care if he was gay/straight/black/white/anything. They just wanted an outlet for their aggression. As Makikomi said, it was probably down to the fact that he was a soft, easy target (physically). Based on pictorial evidence, I doubt they'd have fcuked with Makikomi if he was in full drag and telling everyone how gay he was.

Eric Cartman

DeVore wrote: »

Cartman, thats like sayin "these women have to stop pushing their sexuality, its the mean reason they get a slap or two"....

I dont like queens but they have every bit as much right to dress up on a saturday night and flaunt it as any slapper.


DeV.

its not the clothes i have a problem with , its going up to a girl your with and grabbing her and using being gay as an excuse , or shouting in a high pitched squeel accross the pub (i also have a big problem with women who do this) or giving randomers un-invited fashion advice in the smoking area etc... wearing pink, holding hands, kissing in the corner of a nightclub - these things are fine, its the really really un-necissary comments and actions that are the annoying part

Eric Cartman

rochey84 wrote: »

Cause the OP spoke to him, or he could have been the 1 of the brave people who decided to show affection to his partner on the street without him being over the top and flamboyant, or are you of the belief that showing affection by simply holding hands or giving a kiss to their loved ones, I'm not talkin about wearing the faces off each other I mean a little peck on the cheek or a little peck on the mouth, that they are being over the top and flamboyant and rubbing their sexuality in your face?

sorry but if somebodys been beaten up and im helping them im hardly going to go "are you alright mate, by the way are you gay or straight "

the way the op tells it reads to me that he stumbled upon him mid attack so regardless of what he was doing prior the op wouldnt know

rochey84

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its not the clothes i have a problem with , its going up to a girl your with and grabbing her and using being gay as an excuse , or shouting in a high pitched squeel accross the pub (i also have a big problem with women who do this) or giving randomers un-invited fashion advice in the smoking area etc... wearing pink, holding hands, kissing in the corner of a nightclub - these things are fine, its the really really un-necissary comments and actions that are the annoying part

But you see the thing is that this type of behaviour is encouraged by women and again some people are just naturally outgoing and camp, yeah it might annoy you but get over it, don't beat them up, I don't go around beating up everyone that uses an unfair generalisation against gays I usually let it roll off my back, but this sort of thing does really grind my gears!!!

KittyeeTrix

joshrogan wrote: »

He probably wouldn't have been a target if he didn't flaunt his sexuality, equally I'm sure if they'd seen a womanizer who was good with or keen on the ladies they would've "bashed" him aswell, at the end of the day if they're looking for a scrap they'll get one at any justification.

:eek::mad:

Whether he's screaming "I'M GAY" at the top of his voice whilst pirouetting down the street in a pink sparkly tutu does not give anyone the right to beat him up....................... I'm sure you have the same opinion!!!

Bannasidhe

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its not the clothes i have a problem with , its going up to a girl your with and grabbing her and using being gay as an excuse , or shouting in a high pitched squeel accross the pub (i also have a big problem with women who do this) or giving randomers un-invited fashion advice in the smoking area etc... wearing pink, holding hands, kissing in the corner of a nightclub - these things are fine, its the really really un-necissary comments and actions that are the annoying part

So there are a few annoying twinks/Queens in the gay community. There are also annoying straight blokes who will not take no for an answer and annoying straight women who think the world wants to see as much of their flesh as possible as often as possible. Doesn't mean anyone has the right to beat the ****e out of them.

There is a small,violent minority out there who believe they have the right to physically attack another human being for acting in a way that is different. They do not have this right and to make excuses for their behaviour is to imply they may have a good reason. They don't.

smk89

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its not the clothes i have a problem with , its going up to a girl your with and grabbing her and using being gay as an excuse , or shouting in a high pitched squeel accross the pub (i also have a big problem with women who do this) or giving randomers un-invited fashion advice in the smoking area etc... wearing pink, holding hands, kissing in the corner of a nightclub - these things are fine, its the really really un-necissary comments and actions that are the annoying part

You've watched to much tv, most of this is stereotype.
And if someone feels the need to give you fashion advice in a pub what the hell are you wearing?

rebel10

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its not the clothes i have a problem with , its going up to a girl your with and grabbing her and using being gay as an excuse , or shouting in a high pitched squeel accross the pub (i also have a big problem with women who do this) or giving randomers un-invited fashion advice in the smoking area etc... wearing pink, holding hands, kissing in the corner of a nightclub - these things are fine, its the really really un-necissary comments and actions that are the annoying part

Seriously, you are easily annoyed if that is what you have a problem with. I think this is an issue you just need to get over. You will encounter and meet people from all walks of life, if one of them annoys you, move away from them, avoid them, do whatever. If they aren't harming anyone, they have every right to express their own individuality. Being tempted to give someone a "dig" because of the reasons mentioned says more about you being honest.

rochey84

Eric Cartman wrote: »

sorry but if somebodys been beaten up and im helping them im hardly going to go "are you alright mate, by the way are you gay or straight "

the way the op tells it reads to me that he stumbled upon him mid attack so regardless of what he was doing prior the op wouldnt know

While waiting on the ambulance it is possible you might ask why someone attacked you so visously no?????? that would get the potential response "I just gave my boyfriend a kiss" that would lead to the pretty obvious and safe assumption that the guy was gay!

im invisible

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I have no problem with gay people, but queen have to stop

they havnt been the same since freddy mercury died

philologos

OP: I think anyone no matter what they think can see that this is patently wrong, as is physical or verbal abuse of any kind irrespective of what you do, how you think, how you look or any other reason that man can pluck out for seeing someone as different. It's simply common morality that people should stand up against people like this. People should have the liberty to live and act freely in society irrespective of what people may or may not think. That's a given. We live in a free society, and as such we musn't allow people to destroy this for everyone else. Again, this is a given for anyone not just in this particular case.

DeVore

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its not the clothes i have a problem with , its going up to a girl your with and grabbing her and using being gay as an excuse , or shouting in a high pitched squeel accross the pub (i also have a big problem with women who do this) or giving randomers un-invited fashion advice in the smoking area etc... wearing pink, holding hands, kissing in the corner of a nightclub - these things are fine, its the really really un-necissary comments and actions that are the annoying part

Do you feel the urge to punch other really annoying people in life??

DeV.

Eric Cartman

Bannasidhe wrote: »

So there are a few annoying twinks/Queens in the gay community.

yes, this thread should probably be about 'queen bashing' I havent heard of many gay , but not mad about telling the world about it being beaten up , scumbags only seem to go for the very very obvious ones , its wrong either way but unfortunatly in the same way as buildings need locks and cameras for security , either you have to find some way to get rid of all the scumbags, or take precautions and try not to become a target

steddyeddy

Kameron Scruffy Physician wrote: »

This is going to be a little disjointed, first off I'm still angry - I've had approx 3 hrs kip since yesterday - and I'm in a hurry to get some beers on ice and top up my sunburn!.

I'll come right out and say f*ck all the racism threads around here - personally I've never witnessed any form of race attack in this country, or anything close to it..

But, here's the craic - I've witnessed lots of gay bashing, and tbh total intolerance towards the gay community, and how is it generally threated (yes, I'm poxy well generalizing) - like a big ol' gay joke.

Last night was just another night of it (The Master, Mod here witnessed the end of this).. Another gay bashing on the quay's in Dublin (Mods don't treat this like a Dublin issue please)..

Another young gay man beaten up because he dared not to hide, dared to be different.

I won't say its a daily occurance, but I will say I'm witnessing and dealing with several similar attacks months.

Its sickening, I'm sickened (again) today - and yes, it breaks my heart a little too.

Its not a joke.

Funny you should say that my brothers friend is gay and got a severe beating recently and I have a few friends who mention something simular. Attacks on gay people seem to be on the rise.

Eric Cartman

DeVore wrote: »

Do you feel the urge to punch other really annoying people in life??

DeV.

all the time , male/female straight/gay black/white , but luckily i have self control and have never injured anyone aside from self defence, I suspect these scumbags are not so controlled

hondasam

joshrogan wrote: »

He probably wouldn't have been a target if he didn't flaunt his sexuality, equally I'm sure if they'd seen a womanizer who was good with or keen on the ladies they would've "bashed" him aswell, at the end of the day if they're looking for a scrap they'll get one at any justification.

Even if he did flaunt his sexuality he should be free to walk down the street without ignorant thugs bashing him.

The problem here is the thugs.

Eric Cartman

rochey84 wrote: »

While waiting on the ambulance it is possible you might ask why someone attacked you so visously no?????? that would get the potential response "I just gave my boyfriend a kiss" that would lead to the pretty obvious and safe assumption that the guy was gay!

suppose it would do , yeah ill accept being wrong here

rochey84

steddyeddy wrote: »

Funny you should say that my brothers friend is gay and got a severe beating recently and I have a few friends who mention something simular. Attacks on gay people seem to be on the rise.

This is the most important point on the thread

Bannasidhe

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes, this thread should probably be about 'queen bashing' I havent heard of many gay , but not mad about telling the world about it being beaten up , scumbags only seem to go for the very very obvious ones , its wrong either way but unfortunatly in the same way as buildings need locks and cameras for security , either you have to find some way to get rid of all the scumbags, or take precautions and try not to become a target

Or hold your head high and refuse to allow a violent minority dictate how you live your life. It takes a great deal of courage to diverge openly from the accepted norm. Far more than it takes to be part of a gang that attacks those individuals who dare to be different.

I admire and applaud those 'queens' who refuse to conform to what society says a man should be. They have the strength and courage to be who they are knowing at any moment some ignorant gob****e could violently take exception to their existence.

philologos

steddyeddy wrote: »

Attacks on gay people seem to be on the rise.

I hope in the OP's case something was done by the Gardaí in relation to it. There should be zero tolerance of any such behaviour. Homophobia (hatred towards LGBT people - and indeed this term must be used accurately) is legally on the same grounds as racism or sectarianism and for this reason we have to be consistent.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

rochey84 wrote: »

Thats verbal abuse which although can be damaging is not life threatening whereas getting physically beaten just for being gay is not fair!

Tell that to all the people who commited suicide because of mental abuse.

Eric Cartman

Jakkass wrote: »

I hope in the OP's case something was done by the Gardaí in relation to it. There should be zero tolerance of any such behaviour. Homophobia (hatred towards LGBT people - and indeed this term must be used accurately) is legally on the same grounds as racism or sectarianism and for this reason we have to be consistent.

attacks for any reason are terrible, homophobia or racism fuelled attacks are just as bad as attacking somebody for no reason, at the end of it somebodys still being attacked and these scumbags should be punished harshly no matter what the reason

pragmatic1

Eric Cartman wrote: »

one of the biggest problems with the fight for gay rights is the people who seem to champion it. the way a lot of the gay community treat it would be the equivalent of fighting for black rights using OJ simpson and tupac as positive examples. I have a few gay friends that you would never be able to pick out as gay unless you asked them - that im fine with, somebodys sexuality shouldnt define their whole personality and way they present themselves to people , I fúcking hate queens and theres been a fair few times in pubs ive been tempted to throw a few digs with their carry on

Jez you sound like a right hard man Eric. Wanting to beat up flamboyant gay men because they annoy you. Honestly man who the fcuk do you think you are anyway. And no one gets hard man points for beating up a queen as you call them.

rochey84

Annie Sweet Larva wrote: »

Tell that to all the people who commited suicide because of mental abuse.

I was speaking in reference to post I quoted but yes you're right, but that is a different type of mental abuse than the poster was speaking about!

Eric Cartman

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Jez you sound like a right hard man Eric. Wanting to beat up flamboyant gay men because they annoy you. Honestly man who the fcuk do you think you are anyway. And no one gets hard man points for beating up a queen as you call them.

nobody gets hard man points for beating up anybody outside of defense , theres a big difference between being annoyed and feeling like you want to punch somebody and actually punching somebody , im not a 'hard man' and have never punched anybody out of being annoyed but everyone gets annoyed at something

ceadaoin.

joshrogan wrote: »

He probably wouldn't have been a target if he didn't flaunt his sexuality, equally I'm sure if they'd seen a womanizer who was good with or keen on the ladies they would've "bashed" him aswell, at the end of the day if they're looking for a scrap they'll get one at any justification.

No they wouldn't

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I have no problem with gay people, but queens have to stop , theres nothing wrong with being gay but being over the top and using your sexuality as your only character trait and rubbing it in everyones face is where most of this stems from.

So there's nothing wrong with being gay once they don't actually 'act gay'. If they aren't part of your group then just ignore them. Its not like they are having sex in the middle of the pub!

What about a group of straight lads out on the pull, they might check out girls and make loud comments about them. Is that rubbing their sexuality in everyones face too?

CrazyRabbit

joshrogan wrote: »

He probably wouldn't have been a target if he didn't flaunt his sexuality, equally I'm sure if they'd seen a womanizer who was good with or keen on the ladies they would've "bashed" him aswell, at the end of the day if they're looking for a scrap they'll get one at any justification.

And straight women are sooo reserved around men, dressing very modestly. And vice versa for straight guys. /sarcasm

These 'queens' are just expressing their sexuality and personality just like straight people do. They just stand out a little more as it's still considered unusual in our society.

Eric Cartman

ceadaoin. wrote: »

What about a group of straight lads out on the pull, they might check out girls and make loud comments about them. Is that rubbing their sexuality in everyones face too?

yes it is , and I think thats rude too, but thats not the topic