RTE

Davidmator

How can RTE afford to buy the rights to the Champions League and yet not be able to get the rights to the Heineken Cup??? Even though there are no Irish Teams in the Champions League and never has being and there are always three in the HC every year doing really well every year!!! Why are we paying a tv licence when millions of it are being spent on the right to watch english soccer teams.....
:mad:

kirving

What is the cost of each, and advertising revenue from each?

phog

If RTE want the rights they would need to buy a package similar to what Sky provide, do you think that RTE can afford it or provide it?

tampopo

yeah, true enough, and they put the English football on Saturday evenings and relegate the League of Ireland to Mondays or Tuesdays....

Davidmator

phog wrote: »

If RTE want the rights they would need to buy a package similar to what Sky provide, do you think that RTE can afford it or provide it?

It can't be much more than what the Champions league costs them.
I just don't think it makes any sense that we re paying money to watch other nation's teams when we can't even get access from our own state broadcaster to our own teams.

sock puppet

The ERC sell the rights to the highest bidder. UEFA don't. Simple.

ambid

Davidmator wrote: »

It can't be much more than what the Champions league costs them.
I just don't think it makes any sense that we re paying money to watch other nation's teams when we can't even get access from our own state broadcaster to our own teams.

Do Setanta not even have a highlights package of HEC? I can't find it on the schedule?

Kensington

sock puppet wrote: »

The ERC sell the rights to the highest bidder. UEFA don't. Simple.

Spot on. One Champions League match from each matchday MUST be shown on a non-subscription channel and that channel gets first pick of which match they want to show for that day. The rest go the highest bidder.

Heineken Cup is sold as a single package and gets sold to the highest bidder.

WeeBushy

ambid wrote: »

Do Setanta not even have a highlights package of HEC? I can't find it on the schedule?

Matt Williams and Neil Francis on the Breakdown do a review of the HEC but that's not until Thursday night at 10/10.30.

phog

Davidmator wrote: »

It can't be much more than what the Champions league costs them.
I just don't think it makes any sense that we re paying money to watch other nation's teams when we can't even get access from our own state broadcaster to our own teams.

How much does Sky pay for the H/C?

How much does RTE pay for the soccer?

Can RTE deliver the same H/C package as Sky does now?

Conas

RTE can't even do good coverage of the Magners League. Sky on the other hand do brilliant coverage of the Heineken Cup and always have. Sky would have more money too.

Rugby is still the third most popular sport in this country after the GAA and soccer. They were always going to pick the Champions League anyway.

Sin a bhfuil

Conas wrote: »

RTE can't even do good coverage of the Magners League. Sky on the other hand do brilliant coverage of the Heineken Cup and always have. Sky would have more money too.

Rugby is still the third most popular sport in this country after the GAA and soccer. They were always going to pick the Champions League anyway.

No, Sky haven't always done great coverage of the Heineken Cup. They didn't bother their arse until 2007 (with a Limerick born producer). Up to that they cherry picked.

hardCopy

If RTE got it we'd end up watching it in Irish, no thanks

Lahm

Davidmator wrote: »

How can RTE afford to buy the rights to the Champions League and yet not be able to get the rights to the Heineken Cup???

Why are we paying a tv licence when millions of it are being spent on the right to watch english soccer teams.....


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Simply because the Champion's League has higher viewership figures than the Heineken Cup does.

British soccer is more popular.

EmacB

Rtes coverage is really not great anyway im happy with sky.

It seems every single time ive watched a game on rte lately they've had this problem where the commentary keeps getting repeated...
And crappy sound in general.

Actually tbh its still better then getting shuffled around by setanta that really annoyed me.

swan82

phog wrote: »

How much does Sky pay for the H/C?

How much does RTE pay for the soccer?

Can RTE deliver the same H/C package as Sky does now?

IRFU get something like 10m a year from the erc,RTE cannot afford anything like that.
Sky must pay a fortune for them.

johnnysmack

hardCopy wrote: »

If RTE got it we'd end up watching it in Irish, no thanks

One of strangest and most ridiculous posts ive ever come across.

Soccer always has and always will be one of the most popular sports in the world. Its simpler and appeals to the masses far more then rugby can.

Soccer viewer figures win every day of week. Thats where the money is, thats why their players get paid enormous amounts of money, thats why RTE go for champions league.

phog

RTE had a highlights programme tonight and only showed one game, Munster got about a 1 minute mention at the very end. Imagine giving them control of the H/C games, I shudder to think what they'd do to the competition.

Diabhal Beag

I think due to the fact RTE show Airtricity League matches that their priorities are mainly football and GAA. Even with 6 nations its free-to-air.

You'd have more of a case if BBC were showing the matches.

conf101

hardCopy wrote: »

If RTE got it we'd end up watching it in Irish, no thanks

How does that make any sense?

Phog wrote:

RTE had a highlights programme tonight and only showed one game, Munster got about a 1 minute mention at the very end. Imagine giving them control of the H/C games, I shudder to think what they'd do to the competition.

I'd imagine that's due to who has rights to the Amlin matches. RTE have rights to the highlights for Heineken Cup matches but probably not the Amlin matches.

phog

conf101 wrote: »

How does that make any sense?



I'd imagine that's due to who has rights to the Amlin matches. RTE have rights to the highlights for Heineken Cup matches but probably not the Amlin matches.

Persuming you're right and I'm not sure because I thought I've seen some of Connachts tries before but it may have been on Setanta, why couldn't RTE ring Sky and say hey lads "Munster are now in the knockout stages any chance we could buy into showing the highlights or the scores". No chance because that would take planning.

Also, should Munster progress will it be case that the national broadcaster wont have highlights of the final, I serioulsy hope someone in the sports department gets their finger out.

conf101

phog wrote: »

RTE had a highlights programme tonight and only showed one game, Munster got about a 1 minute mention at the very end. Imagine giving them control of the H/C games, I shudder to think what they'd do to the competition.

phog wrote: »

Persuming you're right and I'm not sure because I thought I've seen some of Connachts tries before but it may have been on Setanta, why couldn't RTE ring Sky and say hey lads "Munster are now in the knockout stages any chance we could buy into showing the highlights or the scores". No chance because that would take planning.

Also, should Munster progress will it be case that the national broadcaster wont have highlights of the final, I serioulsy hope someone in the sports department gets their finger out.

Yeah I would have thought that it should be pretty straightforward to get the rights at this stage of the season, especially with an Irish team now playing in it.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Personally I prefer sky's coverage , I hate Hooks B.S and can't stand Ryle Nugent's commentary.

Conas

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Personally I prefer sky's coverage , I hate Hooks B.S and can't stand Ryle Nugent's commentary.

It would be great to have Jim Sherwin back on commentary. Himself and Ralph Keyes were a good combo. They'll never get anyone as good as Jim again in my opinion.

JustinDee

conf101 wrote: »

Yeah I would have thought that it should be pretty straightforward to get the rights at this stage of the season, especially with an Irish team now playing in it.

Sky pay a lot of money for exclusive live TV rights. There's no reason to share them. That's what they pay for.

conf101

JustinDee wrote: »

Sky pay a lot of money for exclusive live TV rights. There's no reason to share them. That's what they pay for.

Oh yeah I don't disagree with that. But rights to show highlights, like RTE already have for Heineken matches, is a different thing.

Conas

JustinDee wrote: »

Sky pay a lot of money for exclusive live TV rights. There's no reason to share them. That's what they pay for.

You're exactly right Justin. RTÉ probaly don't have the money to get the rights anyway, and if they did the televison licence fee would probaly rise. :eek:

Podge_irl

conf101 wrote: »

Yeah I would have thought that it should be pretty straightforward to get the rights at this stage of the season, especially with an Irish team now playing in it.

I doubt any broadcaster is going to offer TV rights at this stage of the season. Selling rights to the knock-out stages of the Amlin now cause an Irish team is in it would lead to lower bids for the coverage next time round on the basis that they could just buy into it if their team makes the knock-outs. Bad precedent to set.

phog

Podge_irl wrote: »

I doubt any broadcaster is going to offer TV rights at this stage of the season. Selling rights to the knock-out stages of the Amlin now cause an Irish team is in it would lead to lower bids for the coverage next time round on the basis that they could just buy into it if their team makes the knock-outs. Bad precedent to set.

But Sky are already making money from having the rights, surely if they can pick up extra revenue from selling the rights to the knockout stages then that would make good bisiness sense.


There's a lot of speculation about who has what rights and how much the various broadcasters pay the ERC for the rights. Does anyone really know the figures.

Sin a bhfuil

Conas wrote: »

It would be great to have Jim Sherwin back on commentary. Himself and Ralph Keyes were a good combo. They'll never get anyone as good as Jim again in my opinion.

Jim Sherwin is well past it now. Michael Corcoran is pretty good on radio.

hardCopy

johnnysmack wrote: »

One of strangest and most ridiculous posts ive ever come across.

Soccer always has and always will be one of the most popular sports in the world. Its simpler and appeals to the masses far more then rugby can.

Soccer viewer figures win every day of week. Thats where the money is, thats why their players get paid enormous amounts of money, thats why RTE go for champions league.

What's so ridiculous?

There's no way RTE would give up a whole weekend to a Heineken Cup package, if they won the rights we'd end up with a situation like the Magners, Leinster and Munster would be on RTE2 with the rest being shown on TG4, if at all.

Where did I mention soccer?

OldRio

hardCopy wrote: »

If RTE got it we'd end up watching it in Irish, no thanks

Deary deary me.

Regarding the rights to the Amlin. Why would Sky want to sell RTE anything. Sky are in a great position to sell their Sky sports package to punters who want to watch Munster on TV. Makes more business sense to keep the Amlin to themselves.
As an aside. I have a basic package for Sky. No Sports. Phoned them on Friday with a sob story. Sky sports and basic package half price for 6 months. Result:D

Sin a bhfuil

Podge_irl wrote: »

I doubt any broadcaster is going to offer TV rights at this stage of the season. Selling rights to the knock-out stages of the Amlin now cause an Irish team is in it would lead to lower bids for the coverage next time round on the basis that they could just buy into it if their team makes the knock-outs. Bad precedent to set.

hardCopy wrote: »

What's so ridiculous?

There's no way RTE would give up a whole weekend to a Heineken Cup package, if they won the rights we'd end up with a situation like the Magners, Leinster and Munster would be on RTE2 with the rest being shown on TG4, if at all.

Where did I mention soccer?

RTE had the rights to the Heineken Cup up to and including Munster winning the cup in 2006. They only showed the Irish provinces games though so it wasn't wall to wall rugby for the weekend - just 3 matches which they would have had to fit in with the horseracing on a Saturday afternoon.

phog

OldRio wrote: »

Deary deary me.

Regarding the rights to the Amlin. Why would Sky want to sell RTE anything. Sky are in a great position to sell their Sky sports package to punters who want to watch Munster on TV. Makes more business sense to keep the Amlin to themselves.
As an aside. I have a basic package for Sky. No Sports. Phoned them on Friday with a sob story. Sky sports and basic package half price for 6 months. Result:D

How come RTE showed the highlights of the H/C games for the last few year? Oh yea, Sky SOLD them the rights

CatFromHue

Sin a bhfuil wrote: »

RTE had the rights to the Heineken Cup up to and including Munster winning the cup in 2006. They only showed the Irish provinces games though so it wasn't wall to wall rugby for the weekend - just 3 matches which they would have had to fit in with the horseracing on a Saturday afternoon.

i thought in the last year or two of that agreement rte could only show an irish team if they were playing at home and then it was still only one game per weekend in the pool stages.

in the 2005/06 season i think leinsters last pool game away to bath wasnt shown live as munsters last pool game at home to sale was.

i do remember watching both quarters that year on rte though.

RogerThis

phog wrote: »

How come RTE showed the highlights of the H/C games for the last few year? Oh yea, Sky SOLD them the rights

RTE would have bought the rights from the ERC, not Sky. Sky don't own the Heineken Cup.

Why would RTE buy the rights for a Munster games when they didn't buy it for the Connacht games last year?

danthefan

phog wrote: »

How come RTE showed the highlights of the H/C games for the last few year? Oh yea, Sky SOLD them the rights

Since when do Sky sell the TV rights to the HEC?

phog

danthefan wrote: »

Since when do Sky sell the TV rights to the HEC?

Well RTE have the rights, so it's Sky or ERC, it hardly matters. It's the same principle surely.

OldRio

phog wrote: »

How come RTE showed the highlights of the H/C games for the last few year? Oh yea, Sky SOLD them the rights

Whoever sold the rights I'm talking about the position Sky are in NOW. And I'm responding to a poster who wants highligts of the Amlin on RTE.

copacetic

phog wrote: »

Well RTE have the rights, so it's Sky or ERC, it hardly matters. It's the same principle surely.

No, it's not. Those rights were for sale.

The rights people are saying should now be bought up aren't and the holders of the rights have no reason to put them up for sale.

phog

RogerThis wrote: »

RTE would have bought the rights from the ERC, not Sky. Sky don't own the Heineken Cup.

Why would RTE buy the rights for a Munster games when they didn't buy it for the Connacht games last year?

That's surely for Connacht fans to make an arguement over?

There's a lot of speculation on whether RTE have the rights or can buy them now, I've written to Ryle Nugent and I'l post his reply here if I get one.

Sin a bhfuil

phog wrote: »

That's surely for Connacht fans to make an arguement over?

There's a lot of speculation on whether RTE have the rights or can buy them now, I've written to Ryle Nugent and I'l post his reply here if I get one.

Sky generally buy exclusive rights to competitions they broadcast (and why they are so anti Rugby being FTA as more than likely they could outbid anyone, but they would be forced to sell on some games to a FTA broadcaster).

Its only in the last year that there is any interest in the Amlin (since the changes in format with HC pool winners dropping intothe knock outs). Not too sure they even televise all of the games.

As an aside Phog, why do you want to listen to the English club bias of Barnes and co. They were willing Northampton to win! Pretty much the same about Leicester yesterday. Thats the great thing about the commentary in the Irish language - you don't have to listen to the Barnes, Wards, Nugents of this world.

Digifriendly

Why was there no coverage whatsoever of the Perpignan vs Toulon game last night? Will they not show any of the Biarritz vs Toulouse game tonight? At least S4C showed extensive highlights of the all French game as well as Leinster's last night.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Digifriendly wrote: »

Why was there no coverage whatsoever of the Perpignan vs Toulon game last night? Will they not show any of the Biarritz vs Toulouse game tonight? At least S4C showed extensive highlights of the all French game as well as Leinster's last night.

RTE only paid for the rights for rights to show highlights to the Irish provinces in the HEC

icdg

phog wrote: »

That's surely for Connacht fans to make an arguement over?

There's a lot of speculation on whether RTE have the rights or can buy them now, I've written to Ryle Nugent and I'l post his reply here if I get one.

RTÉ certainly had brief (and I mean brief, at the very end of the programme) highlights of Connacht's Amlin Challenge Cup games in previous seasons. Not this year oddly, it may be that when RTÉ renewed their highlights deal this season (at the last minute too) the Amlin Challenge Cup games were left out. It may have cut the cost of the deal and RTÉ probably never figured Munster would end up in it.

Nothing imperical to say this though.

Sin a bhfuil

Sin a bhfuil wrote: »

As an aside Phog, why do you want to listen to the English club bias of Barnes and co.

Funnily enough, I don't think he's overly biased to English teams, he just seems to get biased towards whoever's winning the game!

Evidence - Praising McLaughlin yesterday for the lineout "defence" tactic.

He's a bit of a glory hunter is all.

Digifriendly

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

RTE only paid for the rights for rights to show highlights to the Irish provinces in the HEC

This is a pretty poor show in my opinion. Surely it wouldn't have cost too much to show highlights of other games? After all S4C are not flush with money.

thomond2006

I feel a broadcaster debate coming on, where's thehighground?

tolosenc

Digifriendly wrote: »

This is a pretty poor show in my opinion. Surely it wouldn't have cost too much to show highlights of other games? After all S4C are not flush with money.

Maybe not too much, but definitely more. There is minimal interest in the other games in this country, so why bother?

conf101

tolosenc wrote: »

Maybe not too much, but definitely more. There is minimal interest in the other games in this country, so why bother?

I have to agree. I know the majority of posters here would be interested in highlights on RTE but in general I'd say the demand is fairly low and not worth RTE spending money on and donating airtime to.

Digifriendly

tolosenc wrote: »

Maybe not too much, but definitely more. There is minimal interest in the other games in this country, so why bother?

On what evidence do you base this minimal interest?