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Bored to tears already ..

  • 09-04-2011 11:31am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭-Vega-


    Packing it in today, very bored. Started playing at Halloween, have 3 85's, made a bucket of gold, wearing the vicious stuff and got a load of 525 crafters. Find raiding extremely boring, not into the scripted stuff but to each their own etc. Really wanted to pvp after playing Dark Age of Camelot, and by pvp I mean world pvp. The overly structured bgs and arenas are very repetitve and boring to me.( Again this is only my opinion. )

    I thought with the massive world that was in it, that there would be some great world pvp to be had. Tol Barad doesn't count :p I'm not one for going around ganking lowbies, but I would like to gank one or two that are close to a main city to draw out some 85's but now with elites gyphon dudes at all the hot spots thats gone bleh. I thought I'd cause some trouble in Stormwind, stealth in on my new rogue, kill some people, maybe some vital npc here or there to get some attention, but vanish doesn't work in cities. If you vanish while a guard is on you..he stays on you and just breaks you out of stealth. Also, if I unstealth in a building, I get an guard agro from a guy who is on the opposite side of the road and not even in line of sight. Getting arrowed by guards through walls and that bringing all the 85s to me sucks.

    Blizzard should definitely do some big initiative to enchance world pvp, offer double honor points or more for world pvp kills or do something. Anyway not bothered, thanks for all the advice and tips of received on the warcraft forum, appreciate it! Take care folks, best of luck :p Anyone want to buy a mage cough :p j/k


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  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Shelby Happy Sadness


    Halaa and group raids on stormwind used to be so much fun :(
    And hopping on their trains while fighting!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭-Vega-


    Aye love it when you gank someone on the train in stormwind and the corpse goes to ironforge, thats a long walk from E.Forest :D

    edit : I know because I've had to run in it when I fail at the above :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    hmmmmm .. take a week off. You are playing too intensely. Play casually and you will enjoy it more. You will have more fun when more peeps are 85 and we are doing bgs and raids etc together on vent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭✭Skerries


    that was one of the reasons why i didn't like WoW, having to walk back to your body
    thats just fúcking ridiculous!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭KilOit


    Haven't logged in for 3 weeks and i'm a subscriber since launch, very boring game to me now. think its time for WoW to be pushed off it's throne, don't even read up on updates anymore, it's just the usual drivel of balancing classes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭nix


    I'm in the same boat dude, world pvp is a joke.

    In main cities the guards should be retarded and work like all other mobs of their respective level. Not bloody boss like eyesite and having them appear from nowhere :( Afterall the cities are jam packed full of players standing around doing nothing, let them do the policing, they will enjoy it too!!

    So they make it so you can only attack a capital city with a raid group, which always proves **** on a populated server due to lag issues. Its slo matrix like play when too many players are beating the crap pout of one another close proximity, which is understandable if the technology cant handle it, but dont make it impossible for a small group to have a little fun :)

    Its as if they dont want any unregulated pvp going on, which is just sad coming from a PvP server. They just dont want players grieving i guess and rage quitting??? I see no logic in their decisions :(

    I'm always complaining about this game, haha, i should just quit and stfu :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭-Vega-


    Yeah, ah Mick I hear ya but I mean, I've done the heroics, I've done the bgs with ingame and rl m8s, it just doesn't do it for now. I've had a good run, nearly a year out of one game so happy with that.

    Another thing is.. the atomosphere leveling up as a new player, you know the plush beautiful grass land outside Stormwind questing by killing bears and deer and stuff, that's what I liked in terms of the PVE, and although I did like the cata content, I know there's no going back to that tranquil times :p Now with every content come bigger and badder foes, with more uber names all bringing death etc etc.. rabid badgers man, thts what I want to fight :p

    I was saying to the lads there, that I remember a few months back just before Cata was out and I hit level 30 or whatever, and I was just after landing in Booty Bay and making my way up strangethorn in this contested zone festing with Alliance. Until then I had done no PVP encounters in the actual World and I remember running from literally bush 2 bush and staying off the main road so I wouldnt be seen. ****ting myself ;P I know I won't recapture that pvp feeling and I know blizz wont recapture the fun and normality of the starting questing areas again so yeah thats it :)

    BUT .. project titan , Dead Island , battlefield 3 , and if Im desperate .. EvE should keep me occupied :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭Nehaxak


    I logged back in to world of warcraft after my first month of Rift was over, did one or two dailies, stayed for around 10 minutes in Org waiting for a battleground to pop up, then logged out.

    I resubscribed to Rift and have enjoyed every moment of it due to getting in with a good bunch of people on the server and running expert dungeons non stop in the evenings and early mornings.

    Even if Rift wasn't there I don't think I'd bother with Wow anyway :/

    Even my son has got bored of Wow, he doesn't even want to get his Mage to 85 and is preferring to play Club Penguin instead :P

    I just don't find wow fun any more and pvp has been destroyed imo by blizzard pushing their esport based pvp crap instead of doing something to make pvp actually fun again.
    Hell I'd even take an old school never-ending Alterac Valley at this stage over anything currently on offer, buff the bosses 500% and remove the resources limit - just give me something fun to do without either side rushing for flags/resources/crap.

    Sub was a 6 month so cancels end of next month, can't see myself renewing even if a new expansion is brought out, unless there are seriously drastic changes to bring back the fun element of the game again.

    I mean, I can't even imagine what it's like now to even run dungeons when I was looking at my son previously topping dps most of the time on his mage, and he's only 8 ffs :( Raids I lost interest in a long time ago, too scripted, gear up, read a guide, wham bam there ye go.

    Spent nearly 10 hours doing expert dungeons last night in Rift, T1 and T2, honestly can't remember how long ago it was in Wow that I'd have put that amount of time into it in one sitting and enjoy every moment of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Berns


    Sub ran up last month there. Never was into pvp but raidin died lately too. GF never shut up about how much time spent on it and now, we do fck all anyhow :p But don't feel like I'm missin much anymore. See a few others lost interest before me and others prob will in the future. Just seems to have lost the attraction it used to have now :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    sub ran out mid feb, though i hadnt played since xmas week. got one toon to 84 and a second to 83, got so bored that i know the game isnt for me anymore.

    still having unbelievable amounts of fun playin world of tanks beta, which gets released wednesday.

    then star wars later in the eyar to keep me busy..

    might try minecraft too, seems like fun.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    OMG when Berns quits theres deffo something up.

    I quit 2 months or so after cata.
    I didnt enjoy cata at all tbh,raiding was fun at times and i never was into pvp too much.
    I did enjoy the old days of open world mass brawls between tarren mill and southshore, epic times then but the game has changes so much since then and for the worse i feel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Seems alot of people moving away alright.

    Personally I'm still into my raiding but I'm not logging on much outside of raids. I'm levelling a new priest and it has fired a bit of life back intothe game exploring the old world again.

    I'm eagerly awaiting the new daily dungeon change and I'll be back in my alts more.

    I've got 4 level 85's , 2 level 80s and now a priest and shaman.

    Cant see myself stopping playing, although I'm finding myself drifting a little away, we are still bashing through heroics and with the new rejig to daily heroics and new heroic dungeons I'll have the drive to get these alts geared.

    I also think its due to me recently picking up an Xbox so I'm playing alot of that inbetween raid nights. :)

    But definitly levelling a new character from scratch has shot some wow adrenaline into my arm, although till what point I want to gouge my eyes out im not sure


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Einstein


    Nothin worse than just running around SW like a headless chicken doing nothing and saying to yourself "What am I logged in for...I'm bored to tears..."

    Had a massive WoW overload last year when outta work...became brain dead from it!

    Then i got a job, and dropped gameplay by about 75%...

    I got my lock to 85, priest to 82 or so..but I'm having an insane amount of fun tanking with my pally through the LK content (hit 78 last night). But its only for an hour or 3 every couple days, so I'm loving the fact that I've lots to do when I login...

    Couple of warlock changes in 4.1 too, so I'm lookin forward to that too...looks like I'm getting my second wind :D

    I would like to see another game knock WoW of it's throne, but I subbed for Rift for 1 month, and just felt kinda meh about it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Drakar


    Stopping playing WoW meant I've been able to better experience other games (Mass Effect2, Dragon Age 2 etc). Good times. Would recommend to a friend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭Falcon.ie


    Stopped playing myself back at the start of the year, left my Sub run into February as I thought I might pick it back up after a week or two off...Never came back...

    Too easy for my liking these days. PvP has lost it's appeal to me aswell, I'll see if I get bored towards summer but for now I've uninstalled it from the Laptop, 35gb's well saved :P

    Going to give the new Star Wars mmo a crack when it comes out. All the signs look good so we'll see how that goes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 eyfm5


    u could be waiting a while for that to come out from what i hear


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    I also "dropped" it too. I only have two rogues, both 85.

    I used to play for hours and hours upon end and then it seemed to just phase out over a week or so. I haven't played it since and my account went inactive. I don't really miss it all, apart from the weird satisfaction of pvp. That's really the only bit that got my blood pumping.

    The PVP area in Hellfire Peninsula is pretty fun since the patch where flying mounts are allowed at 60. I love sitting on top of the flags until you're seen. Then stealthing around following the person while they look for you :pac:

    Then a bit of stabby-stabby.

    (I actually miss it now thinking back on how much fun pvp could be)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Berns


    Seems few more of our guild quit lately too now, checked up on forums and had another 3 or so quit lately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭-Vega-


    Gif mmorpg mass post apocolyptic/zombiesurvival cliched game ! :p

    Even though it is a cliche, it still hasn't been done right. Imagine a massive open real world, even half the size of wow, just all downtown and countryside mmorpg with zombeeeees :p A cross between fallout3/iamlegend/wow/resident evil. Ah my wet dream of a game, if done correctly ;p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    It's not a case of WoW being a bad game, just that eventually, everyone gets bored of a game.

    Myself for example, have played since release on Darkspear US, rerolled to EU servers in TBC and have transferred servers and race/faction changed numerous times to keep things fresh.

    Quite happily playing in a PvP guild on Argent Dawn EU, after quitting for a few months, and coming back due to a back injury.

    WoW is a great game if you don't get caught up in it, don't let it consume entire days and don't let it actually interfere with your day to day life.

    For one, doing that just isn't healthy physically and mentally, but also because it will quickly deteriorate your enjoyment of it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Dubhdara


    I'm the same, sorta lost interest when Cata came out, got my main to level 85, and then started thinking... okay what now.

    I decided to quit, and did for a few months, recently I went back and decided to level a brand new character, which I got to 85. I got to say the most interesting part was the 1-58 questing in the new zones. Once I hit outland, it became a grind again.

    But I think the biggest problem with Wow, is that it has been about too long and become stale. even when a new expansion/patch comes out, it's very much a been there, done that already.

    And between people in my guild acting like children, and a growing disinterest in the game, I'm not sure how long before I decide to quit again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭nix


    They could easily make this game better by focusing on new content as opposed to revamping old content we have done before... Next patch brings what ? New dungeons we have done before? Great!

    No new incentives to kickstart world pvp in anyway? making the new world they created for flying mounts pretty bland and always empty :(

    I actually cant believe they are having this much trouble thinking up new ideas to add flavour to the game, its really sad tbh :(


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,282 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    At the end of the day, it's been out for over 6 years. It's going to get stale eventually, regardless of how much content they add. It's not in any danger of dying anytime soon, but the userbase will gradually lessen over the next few years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    -Vega- wrote: »
    Gif mmorpg mass post apocolyptic/zombiesurvival cliched game ! :p

    probably a million years away but yeah.. cant wait
    http://www.fallout-on-line.com/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭IRL_Sinister


    I cancelled my subscription today as well. I've been playing the game since Vanilla, on the one character under the one name for all these years. I've played casual I've played hardcore. I've been in Ensidia, I've been in Method and I've been in completely unknown Guilds. The game is absolutely terrible, there is absolutely no enjoyment in it anymore and the community just gets worse and worse as it's fed by Blizzard. To top it off they released a ****ing SH IT tier of Raiding, bugged like.... i can't even describe it... I remember Raiding with Ensidia and having bosses be fixed right in front of us... nice joke. Furthermore, for casual Guilds they released ungated content with little to no opportunity to progress and develop.

    Today it felt like a weight lifted off my shoulders, I actually never felt so chilled and relaxed like I did. It's a shame considering how I've put, like, 8 years into this one character and now even with nearly full BiS I can't stand to look at another retard attack Electron when he has his barrier up... :(

    So, to the OP, and to many of the users and comments below I can't agree more and the game has gotten stale and after seeing myself drift away for the last few months that boat has long sailed away (:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    come join us on world of tanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    I cancelled my subscription today as well. I've been playing the game since Vanilla, on the one character under the one name for all these years. I've played casual I've played hardcore. I've been in Ensidia, I've been in Method and I've been in completely unknown Guilds. The game is absolutely terrible, there is absolutely no enjoyment in it anymore and the community just gets worse and worse as it's fed by Blizzard. To top it off they released a ****ing SH IT tier of Raiding, bugged like.... i can't even describe it... I remember Raiding with Ensidia and having bosses be fixed right in front of us... nice joke. Furthermore, for casual Guilds they released ungated content with little to no opportunity to progress and develop.

    Today it felt like a weight lifted off my shoulders, I actually never felt so chilled and relaxed like I did. It's a shame considering how I've put, like, 8 years into this one character and now even with nearly full BiS I can't stand to look at another retard attack Electron when he has his barrier up... :(

    So, to the OP, and to many of the users and comments below I can't agree more and the game has gotten stale and after seeing myself drift away for the last few months that boat has long sailed away (:

    The only thing I slightly disagree with here is the idea content is more bugged than before.

    In previous expansions entire raids have been broken, and seeing as you raided with Ensidia, I assume you did Lady Vashj before they fixed it too.
    C'thun was insanely broken, to the point of being impossible.
    Sunwell was a laugh, bosses would often evade and reset in the middle of an encounter for no real reason.

    The reason bosses were fixed infront of Nihilum and other top guilds, was quite simply because they were the first people to attempt the encounters, and Blizzards internal testing has always been quite bad.

    Cataclysm raiding is already much better than Wrath raiding was, the only good raid in WotLK was Ulduar, and even then it got boring after a few weeks.

    Oh and WoW has been out for 6 and a half years, not 8.

    But yes, in your case it's a good thing you're quitting. If you don't enjoy a game, then you shouldn't play it, and especially not pay for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Jimbob 83


    Wow is a boring slow paced dumbed down gearfest and it set a terrible precident which alot of mmo houses followed tbh, expansion after expansion it gets worse, no idea why i wasted money on cata 2h in i was bored :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    Cant say i miss being ganked in Stormwind or Ironforge. My server had a major pop imbalance, so horde made in impossble to use the AH. Got so bad that i had to go into a buildings before going into bg's, so when the bg ended i wasnt being ganked by countless horde in ally cities because i was pvp flagged.

    I ended up moving most my toons exodar just so i could use the AH in peace.

    Now i can use Stormwind as my base of operations, do my dailys, bg's on my pvp toons, level my profs and do old world contect for ach's all in peace:D

    That all said, i joined a pvp server back in vanilla when i didnt know what a pvp server was. Would have been alot better for my playstyle to be in a pve server. But im shagged if im going to pay to move ten toons:p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭-Vega-


    probably a million years away but yeah.. cant wait
    http://www.fallout-on-line.com/

    OMG u just made my mutha truckin day ! :):) DELIGHTED!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭-Vega-




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    RopeDrink wrote: »
    Just shows how I feel. If I log in to WoW I may as well sit on the floor for 30mins doing nothing unless my 5v5 team is on... Meanwhile I could be playing something else, so thats all it shows.

    I don't think I'll quit, but I won't cry if my Sub runs out. I'm hopeful next Arena season will shake up the inactive 5v5 but if not and if I don't get raids or new teams, I'm as good as gone.

    I thought arena is balanced around 3v3?

    Also what was the third person game where you were controlling some girl character running up stairs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    I thought arena is balanced around 3v3?

    Also what was the third person game where you were controlling some girl character running up stairs?

    Silly Panda, PvP isn't balanced.

    You so silly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Scram


    So now that 600,000 players have left;
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2093999395?page=1

    What do you think Blizzard can/will/need to do to fix the mass "jumping of ship". Im getting to a point where im fed up of it too. Ive read toones of posts about and read some good and bad stuff but i remebered this post from months ago as i agreed with it and felt the same way.

    Has the game has really reached the ceiling?, when cata started i remember thinking that something wasnt quite right with it it didnt feel like WOTLK (probably due to the fact that you dont see Deathwing so often and theres no epic "holy ****" moments like when you see the Lich king from time to time on Wrath.)

    Are random Heroic dungeons really that bad, i keep reading stuff that just puts me off them completely. Id love to get stuck in, ive a few geared up toons but ive only done "one" heroic so far and that was a kinda boost where we had one epic geared DK carry 4 people.

    Sure 4.2 promises new quests or zones (im not sure which) but thats probably a good 2 months away possably. People mention "Rift" as the reason for the drop in sub Numbers which i dont think could be related.

    So any thoughts? Have Blizzard dropped the ball made a mess of Cata and are too busy with their MMO "Titan"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    There is still 11.4 million players...its actually not a big deal.

    And with an expansion that has a short time of content, I really dont see a big panic from them. Those numbers will come back for 4.2 no doubt and subsequent expansions and patches.

    And lets not forget alot of top guilds were culled coming into Cataclysm by poorly run unprepared 25man guilds. So alot of people are probably finding it hard to get into raiding.

    And there is still **** all people who are doing well in heroics, I think there is soemthing like 6 guilds in Europe at 10/13 heroic?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Scram


    TheDoc wrote: »
    There is still 11.4 million players...its actually not a big deal.

    And with an expansion that has a short time of content, I really dont see a big panic from them. Those numbers will come back for 4.2 no doubt and subsequent expansions and patches.

    And lets not forget alot of top guilds were culled coming into Cataclysm by poorly run unprepared 25man guilds. So alot of people are probably finding it hard to get into raiding.

    And there is still **** all people who are doing well in heroics, I think there is soemthing like 6 guilds in Europe at 10/13 heroic?

    600,000 * 14 euro a month is roughly 7 million quid less a month.

    I really hope blizzard are concerned which im sure they are. Worrying thing is that it seems to take ages for a Blizz to do anything when its suggested.

    Im a casual player i love wow been playing for 5 years now and theres some great things Blizzard have done in Cata dont get me wrong but it seems they have;

    1) scared people from doing heroics & not provided enough alternatives via normal dungeons

    Normal dungeons;
    • Grim batol
    • Hall of origination
    • Vortex Pinnacle
    • Lost City of

    Heroics:
    Way too many...(which is good if your doing them, not so good if your trying to PuG em)

    At least them 4 plus all the normals and the 2 new ones in 4.1

    2)yes some people want free epics from dungeons (im not one of them) i wanna earn my gear but at the same time places like tol borad are great as you earn stuff in your own time and archeology to a certain part(even though its terrable)

    So if theres 4 Normals what the hell are you suppose to do when you get the gear and item level.. Spend 2+ hours doing a heroic?

    Then you have the "Need to have Xyz Achivement" to do raid eg (BH), so if you dont have that and even if u know the tactics you can go drink in Stormwind Inn on your own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Scram wrote: »
    600,000 * 14 euro a month is roughly 7 million quid less a month.

    I really hope blizzard are concerned which im sure they are. Worrying thing is that it seems to take ages for a Blizz to do anything when its suggested.

    Im a casual player i love wow been playing for 5 years now and theres some great things Blizzard have done in Cata dont get me wrong but it seems they have;

    1) scared people from doing heroics & not provided enough alternatives via normal dungeons

    Normal dungeons;
    • Grim batol
    • Hall of origination
    • Vortex Pinnacle
    • Lost City of

    Heroics:
    Way too many...(which is good if your doing them, not so good if your trying to PuG em)

    At least them 4 plus all the normals and the 2 new ones in 4.1

    2)yes some people want free epics from dungeons (im not one of them) i wanna earn my gear but at the same time places like tol borad are great as you earn stuff in your own time and archeology to a certain part(even though its terrable)

    So if theres 4 Normals what the hell are you suppose to do when you get the gear and item level.. Spend 2+ hours doing a heroic?

    Then you have the "Need to have Xyz Achivement" to do raid eg (BH), so if you dont have that and even if u know the tactics you can go drink in Stormwind Inn on your own.

    I wont lie, getting into raiding at this late stage is seriously tough!. I mean seriously tough.

    I guess I havnt experienced that side in a longtime because of being in a guild since wotlk. But I remember before that, puging was more frequent and easier to get into.

    However nowadays people are just wiser and dont trust random players who dont operate in a weekly raiding enviroment and I also understand that.

    I dont even do heroics anymore for fear of playing with non guildies, cause I'd genuinely say 7 out of 10 its absolute stress.

    Elitist maybe, but I've done my time in pugs, and I'm just getting annoyed at the length of time it takes to do things in pugs : /

    This time in wotlk I probably would have had about 3 fully decked alt characters

    I dont have any alts geared or cleared through content which is really annoying, pugs have died on my server and the ones left are ****ing dire


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭witless1


    Scram wrote: »
    Im a casual player i love wow been playing for 5 years now


    If you have been playing for 5 years surely you see the value of being in a guild, even a casual one? This expansion more then ever pushed the whole guild with tangible rewards for being in it.
    Scram wrote: »
    scared people from doing heroics & not provided enough alternatives via normal dungeons

    Blizzard want you to be a in a guild by creating dungeons that require some form of organisation that inevitably a guild group will have. They haven't ruined PUG groups at all, they do work just not with the same success as WOTLK. The instances are handy if you have a brain and can communicate it but going through a random group with 4 people will produce random results. Going in with a guild group is more stable and your chances of success shoot up. The only scary aspect of going into a heroic is having to pay attention now, that's not a big ask surely? What do you mean by alternatives? For gear? You have PVP for cheap epics the way conquest points are distributed you could get a piece a week to plug gaps e.g. wand slot for casters. You have very strong craftable gear some of which are BiS outside of hard modes e.g. engineering helm, darkmoon cards. You have genuinely decent rep rewards. You have a lot of BoE epics from raids. That's a lot of alternatives for a non raider to have a solid gear, some require gold and some require time and commitment. The normal dungeons they have serve their purpose well to gear you going into heroics. The gear step up from normal --> heroic from the dungeons you listed isn't game breaking. I went into heroics with almost full normal instance gear & some craftables and felt the pacing was right. Something along the lines of 4 normal dungeons at 85 to get the gear requirements.

    Scram wrote: »
    Heroics:
    Way too many...(which is good if your doing them, not so good if your trying to PuG em)

    If you are gearing it's a matter of queueing for a specific dungeon each day, I don't see the problem with that. If you are doing random heroics for VP I'd much rather some variety, sure you get some places that take longer but that's the luck of the draw. I'm failing to see how this is a drawback on the game to be honest.

    Scram wrote: »
    So if theres 4 Normals what the hell are you suppose to do when you get the gear and item level.. Spend 2+ hours doing a heroic?

    Get an organised group from trade chat? Get a guild group?

    Scram wrote: »
    Then you have the "Need to have Xyz Achivement" to do raid eg (BH), so if you dont have that and even if u know the tactics you can go drink in Stormwind Inn on your own.

    That is a problem for PUG raids and it's sadly the only way to see if someone was at least physically there. Your alternatives besides joining a fresh raiding guild is to try get in on a PUG and calendar invite like minded people. A simple realm post will find you a few people in the same boat and ye could start a group. Most realm forums also have new guild starting up from time to time and that's perfect for you, a chance to get some raiding experience.


    I honestly cannot complain about the pacing of the game, progression wise this is possibly the best paced expansion. There is enough within the game to keep you occupied regardless of what level you are at or what your goal within the game is. The 600k that left certainly aren't 600k people who have the content defeated. They are people who couldn't adapt to WoW reverting to being somewhat challenging. They are also people who just grew bored of the game after so many years. I don't think the numbers leaving is a reflection on the game growing stale content wise. It's people getting bored of their own progression (or lack of), or people moving on and giving up on the time sink that is an MMO :)

    TheDoc wrote: »
    However nowadays people are just wiser and dont trust random players who dont operate in a weekly raiding enviroment and I also understand that.

    I dont even do heroics anymore for fear of playing with non guildies, cause I'd genuinely say 7 out of 10 its absolute stress.

    It's simple time management for most people, especially with the raiding changes. 25 man PUGs are extinct for the most part so 10 man is the way to go and it is difficult largely due to the nature of 10s. One death can be a wipe. I don't want to waste 2+ hours in BoT when I can clear it in an organised guild group (or structured PUG) in 1 hour. Similarly I don't want to bother with a random heroic because that 30 min run is doubled or trebled by meeting someone under-geared, clueless or both! That will all change at the tail end of the expansion when people are geared to an extent you can carry. Even now a guild 5 man heroic is like WOTLK with chain pulling and practically AoEing packs down :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    its supposed to be a game..games are meant to be fun.

    wheres the fun?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Wednesday nights, raid night. Starts 7pm, ends 11ish All content clear, cya next week. There's literally no point logging in unless I'm gearing or levelling an alt.

    PvP just doesnt have the draw it used to for me anymore.

    As for the rest.. cant farm herbs, too boring and far too much competition from chinese ultra-moles, ever seen them? faster than a speeding bullet, and only their nameplates are visable at the ground level.

    Archy is dull, the flights between digsites is enough to make me go afk and come back to a dead toon fatigued in the great sea.

    done all the quests and dailies are bore.

    I even faction changed, tried alliance and its exactly the same there.

    If not for the raids, i'd be doing something completely different one wednesdays.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Wednesday nights, raid night. Starts 7pm, ends 11ish All content clear, cya next week. There's literally no point logging in unless I'm gearing or levelling an alt.

    PvP just doesnt have the draw it used to for me anymore.

    As for the rest.. cant farm herbs, too boring and far too much competition from chinese ultra-moles, ever seen them? faster than a speeding bullet, and only their nameplates are visable at the ground level.

    Archy is dull, the flights between digsites is enough to make me go afk and come back to a dead toon fatigued in the great sea.

    done all the quests and dailies are bore.

    I even faction changed, tried alliance and its exactly the same there.

    If not for the raids, i'd be doing something completely different one wednesdays.

    Are you doing heroic content can I ask ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    No. Guild has no plans on it, and in fairness in a 10m guild that raids at most twice a week, its not really worth it with firelands already on the ptr.

    My point was that outside of raids there really isnt anything keeping me from logging out and playing or doing something else.

    btw, you seen the premium content fiasco since blizzard mentioned the LFG x-server friendslist?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    Wednesday nights, raid night. Starts 7pm, ends 11ish All content clear, cya next week.

    Eh, no. 12/12n != 13/13h.


    As to the main point of this thread, i hate to say i told you so but....

    Really cant be arsed searching for the pre-cata threads where people were dribbling about the 'omgawesome old world revamp' and how it was going to be the 'best expansion yet'. A lot of the people posting they are bored were the same ones saying how great it was gonna be.

    The fact is that there is very very little different in the game now since wotlk and people are mighty bored with the same old thing.

    My sub is still active and the only thing that makes me log on is heroic progression (hooray for casual hc progression!), otherwise its the same old stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Berns


    Dam them!!!!!!

    Noticed the other week on the account that there was a 7 days free offer, thought keep it till gf's away for a good few days at her mums or sumfin. Hadda look the other day. Was gone :( gggrrrr.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,282 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Did everyone with an inactive account get a 7-day return offer? I've pretty much been deleting all mails from blizz, as 99.99% of them are spam.

    Wouldnt mind a 7 day return though...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Dustaz wrote: »
    Eh, no. 12/12n != 13/13h.


    As to the main point of this thread, i hate to say i told you so but....

    Really cant be arsed searching for the pre-cata threads where people were dribbling about the 'omgawesome old world revamp' and how it was going to be the 'best expansion yet'. A lot of the people posting they are bored were the same ones saying how great it was gonna be.

    The fact is that there is very very little different in the game now since wotlk and people are mighty bored with the same old thing.

    My sub is still active and the only thing that makes me log on is heroic progression (hooray for casual hc progression!), otherwise its the same old stuff.

    The slightly dissapointing thing aswell that when Firelands comes, HC progression stops.

    Gear form Firelands is superior or on par with current heroic level loot so there is no point in wasting time on current heroics.

    In a way I'm dissapointed that there is so little outside of raiding, the demise of succesful PUGs has kinda miffed me to the point that previously I'd be running a total of 3 characters, this expansion I've really only raided with my Druid and my mage and paladin just faff about doing nothing cause I'm not arsed wastnig time on fail pug runs.

    I've been looking to roll a new char on my old horde server just for the experience and play with old friends but even with that, the thought of levelling, another character, is killing me.

    I rolled a warrior, priest and shaman on my current got them to 30 and am just like, "ugh".

    On the brightside I guess it gives me more time to do more things like other fun pc games ( whatup LoL) and play xbox among other things.

    But yeah the lack of **** to do outside of raiding is a bit ****. I havnt been impressed with ZA or ZG one bit in the slightest.

    Might try get myself into getting my dailies done on my paladin and mage but I've just got really elitist and cant stand random pugs : /


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭bossa_nova


    Kiith wrote: »
    Did everyone with an inactive account get a 7-day return offer? I've pretty much been deleting all mails from blizz, as 99.99% of them are spam.

    Wouldnt mind a 7 day return though...

    Stoped playing for about a month because i didnt really have any spare cash and just forgot to pick up a time card when i was out, but i bought some two weeks ago and when i went to put it in there it was, glad i used up the 7 days now if they took it away:P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭Flojo


    I really miss all those oldschool raids on cities. All the flamefests that followed on the forums after were great craic. It barely happens on our server anymore bar two or three of us that travel to Org to mess about every once in a blue moon. WoW has gotten a bit dull gief TBC back!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Columc


    nostalgia its a bitch. But I remember in dark age of camelot people were giving out about giving old world content back, they did and people got bored 10 times quicker because they have alrady done them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭-Vega-




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