Sick graffiti in Derry

Penfailed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12970715

Graffiti praising the murder of PSNI constable Ronan Kerr and threatening further attacks has been daubed on walls in Londonderry.
The slogans were painted in the Bogside estate, an area with a predominantly republican population.
One read: "GAA cops, look what use (sic) got". It refers to Constable Kerr's membership of a Gaelic football club.
The graffiti is being painted out and has been condemned by politicians.
Constable Kerr, 25, was killed when a booby-trap bomb exploded underneath his car in Omagh, County Tyrone on Saturday afternoon.
Dissident republicans have been blamed for the attack.
They are opposed to the police and have repeatedly targeted officers in both gun and bomb attacks.
They are believed to be deliberately targeting Catholic officers in order to try to deter Catholics from joining the PSNI.
Last year, Peadar Heffron, a Catholic officer who played for the PSNI Gaelic football team, lost his legs in a similar booby-trap bomb attack.
Outgoing SDLP MLA Pat Ramsey said that it was the second day that such "despicable and disgusting" slogans had appeared.
'Outraged'
He added: "People really are outraged by this.
"This is not indicative of the feeling among the people of the Bogside and that is why those responsible skulked around in the dark of night and did their deed.
The graffiti was being erased by volunteers on Tuesday morning
"They are not standing up and saying it, they are using the same cowardly tactics of those who callously murdered Pc Kerr.
"The people of the Bogside are angry this morning, they have been angry since Saturday, just like the rest of the north.
"They do not deserve to be tarnished with this and the good name of PC Kerr does not deserve to be tarnished like this."
Constable Kerr's funeral is due to take place on Wednesday and will be attended by NI First Minister Peter Robinson as well as Irish prime minister Enda Kenny.

bastados

I'd be surprised if any group own up to the slaughter of that poor chap.

Contra Proferentem

Where the **** is "Londonderry"?!

However, a truly disgraceful action which should be condemned by right thinking people.

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Penfailed

bastados wrote: »

I'd be surprised if any group own up to the slaughter of that poor chap.

I'd be surprised if the dissidents didn't own up to it TBH.

Fr Tod Umptious

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Where the **** is "Londonderry"?!

However, a truly disgraceful action which should be condemned by right thinking people.

Oh for F**K sake, get a life

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Penfailed

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Where the **** is "Londonderry"?!

It's the BBC

GSF

"GAA cops" - so he was targetted because he was in the GAA?

Penfailed

GSF wrote: »

"GAA cops" - so he was targetted because he was in the GAA?

Who knows? The teenage hoods that painted the graffiti don't know either.

deise go deo

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Where the **** is "Londonderry"?!

Just outside Boston apparently.

Londonderry

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Denerick

These young lads would be involved in organised crime anywhere else in the world. In Ireland, they are able to murder people with a veneer of Republican respectability. We give these lunatics a noble cause; they've learnt well from their forefathers who were determined to murder and maim without any popular support; and they've learnt from a nation that respects murderers and fanatics every Easter. We reap what we sow.

RandomName2

deise go deo wrote: »

Just outside Boston apparently.

Londonderry

Next you'll be telling us Paris is in Texas!

Paris

oh...

PatsytheNazi

Penfailed wrote: »

The slogans were painted in the Bogside estate, an area with a predominantly republican population......"This is not indicative of the feeling among the people of the Bogside and that is why those responsible skulked around in the dark of night and did their deed...... The graffiti was being erased by volunteers on Tuesday morning.

One or two teenage lowlife paint a slogan on a wall in the Bogside and it's a subject of major political discussion ?? I think the broader nationalist and Republican community have more than made their views known on Ronan Kerr's murder, their's always going to be a few young hoods who will do anything for a sick joke.

Near where I live in Dublin a few similiar teenage lowlife's threw paint over the back of a neighbour's car which had a Bohemians FC sticker on it and painted SRFC Ultras nearby on a gable ( Shamrock Rovers Ultras- mickey mouse 'hooligan' gang :rolleyes: ). It and God knows how many other acts of hurtful and moronic vandalism occur every week across Ireland, I doubt very much if the OP would consider them a subject of major political discussion - unless ofcourse it was to implicate SF or nationalism in general.

Bottle_of_Smoke

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

One or two teenage lowlife paint a slogan on a wall in the Bogside and it's a subject of major political discussion ?? I think the broader nationalist and Republican community have more than made their views known on Ronan Kerr's murder, their's always going to be a few young hoods who will do anything for a sick joke.

Absolutely. My actual first thought was that literacy levels need drastic improvement in Derry.

Fo Real

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Where the **** is "Londonderry"?!

Predicatable childish reaction for child-minded Republicans.

The Portuguese call their capital city "Lisboa". In the English speaking world, we call it "Lisbon". Which is the correct name? It's debateable, but I think the name bestowed upon a city by its rulers and the majority of it's inhabitants is the correct one. Do you insist the Portuguese call it Lisbon?

petroltimer

Denerick wrote: »

These young lads would be involved in organised crime anywhere else in the world. In Ireland, they are able to murder people with a veneer of Republican respectability. We give these lunatics a noble cause; they've learnt well from their forefathers who were determined to murder and maim without any popular support; and they've learnt from a nation that respects murderers and fanatics every Easter. We reap what we sow.

good point, young guys in Northern Ireland have seen how far you can get by murder and intimidation, all the way to the job of Deputy First Minister. I'm sure they see it as hypocritical then to be told by the same murderer\deputy first minister not to be causing trouble

Jaap

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

One or two teenage lowlife paint a slogan on a wall in the Bogside and it's a subject of major political discussion ?? I think the broader nationalist and Republican community have more than made their views known on Ronan Kerr's murder, their's always going to be a few young hoods who will do anything for a sick joke.

On UTV or BBC Newsline last night no one from Ardoyne wished to make a comment on Ronan Kerr's death on camera...are they afraid of one or two teenagers there as well???
Saying that...if I lived in Ardoyne I wouldn't make a comment on camera!!!
It is all over Northern Ireland though I suppose...on both sides!!! Hoods still run areas!!!

old hippy

Fo Real wrote: »

Predicatable childish reaction for child-minded Republicans.

The Portuguese call their capital city "Lisboa". In the English speaking world, we call it "Lisbon". Which is the correct name? It's debateable, but I think the name bestowed upon a city by its rulers and the majority of it's inhabitants is the correct one. Do you insist the Portuguese call it Lisbon?

Different situation. Depends where you stand.

For example, you may see people of colour as servile and rejoice in their deaths but I may find them to be my brothers and sisters and find your rejoicings repugnant and childish.

Fo Real

old hippy wrote: »

Different situation. Depends where you stand.

For example, you may see people of colour as servile and rejoice in their deaths but I may find them to be my brothers and sisters and find your rejoicings repugnant and childish.

Please explain how it is a different situatiuon.
I don't see how your second point is relevant to the discussion.

COYW

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Where the **** is "Londonderry"?

Why do people feel the need to post nonsense like this? Some people call it Derry, some call it LondonDerry, get over it. In the context of the graffiti, the place name is utterly irrelevant.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

One or two teenage lowlife paint a slogan on a wall in the Bogside and it's a subject of major political discussion ?? I think the broader nationalist and Republican community have more than made their views known on Ronan Kerr's murder, their's always going to be a few young hoods who will do anything for a sick joke.

Near where I live in Dublin a few similiar teenage lowlife's threw paint over the back of a neighbour's car which had a Bohemians FC sticker on it and painted SRFC Ultras nearby on a gable ( Shamrock Rovers Ultras- mickey mouse 'hooligan' gang :rolleyes: ). It and God knows how many other acts of hurtful and moronic vandalism occur every week across Ireland, I doubt very much if the OP would consider them a subject of major political discussion - unless ofcourse it was to implicate SF or nationalism in general.

Wrong. Very, very wrong.

old hippy

Fo Real wrote: »

Please explain how it is a different situatiuon.
I don't see how your second point is relevant to the discussion.

It's quite relevant, you're asking for comparisons and I'm giving one.

What care you how the people of Lisbon think; they are of a different skin colour to you and therefore; inferior.

Stick with Derry.

Fo Real

old hippy wrote: »

It's quite relevant, you're asking for comparisons and I'm giving one.

What care you how the people of Lisbon think; they are of a different skin colour to you and therefore; inferior.

Stick with Derry.

I think you've gone senile "old hippy". I provided the comparison between Lisbon/Lisboa and Derry/Londonderry - you merely stated it's a different situation without expanding. Another famous one-liner that is the pride of the politics forum.

Secondly, the Portuguese are white European with a very proud history of colonialism. They ruled huge sections of the uncivilised world during their maritme past. I certainly don't consider them inferior to the Paddy. Especially the close-minded, ignorant Republican type.

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old hippy

Fo Real wrote: »

I think you've gone senile "old hippy". I provided the comparison between Lisbon/Lisboa and Derry/Londonderry - you merely stated it's a different situation without expanding. Another famous one-liner that is the pride of the politics forum.

Secondly, the Portuguese are white European with a very proud history of colonialism. They ruled huge sections of the uncivilised world during their maritme past. I certainly don't consider them inferior to the Paddy. Especially the close-minded, ignorant Republican type.

Portugese I know here are of Angolan, North African and European heritage. I'm glad to hear you don't look down your aryan nation nose at them.

Derry is Derry, nothing to do with Republicanism. Or Racism.

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KindOfIrish

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Where the **** is "Londonderry"?!

questions like that is a first step to terrorism. Let's be honest about it :mad:

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Fo Real

old hippy wrote: »

Portugese I know here are of Angolan, North African and European heritage. I'm glad to hear you don't look down your aryan nation nose at them.

Derry is Derry, nothing to do with Republicanism. Or Racism.

Congratulations on completely missing the point. But you did so deliberately, so you could de-rail the thread into another race discussion where everybody denounces whitey as responsible for all the evil in the world.

Go to the airport and ask for a ticket to Peking. or Bombay. Or Abyssinia. Or Constantinople. Or Rhodesia. Need I go on? You'll get a few strange looks, because these places don't exist anymore - even if you insist on calling them by their former name. The city we're discussing is ruled by the UK and has been named Londonderry. Get over it. If this is the most distressing thing in your life then you must be a pretty happy guy.

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Max Power1

KindOfIrish wrote: »

questions like that is a first step to terrorism. Let's be honest about it :mad:

Erm, no its not.

Posts like yours are a first step to dramatization, lets be honest about it.

deise go deo

KindOfIrish wrote: »

questions like that is a first step to terrorism. Let's be honest about it :mad:

There is just so much wrong with that post.:(

PatsytheNazi

Jaap wrote: »

On UTV or BBC Newsline last night no one from Ardoyne wished to make a comment on Ronan Kerr's death on camera...are they afraid of one or two teenagers there as well???
Saying that...if I lived in Ardoyne I wouldn't make a comment on camera!!!
It is all over Northern Ireland though I suppose...on both sides!!! Hoods still run areas!!!

" On UTV or BBC Newsline last night " Well since your obvioulsy not too sure where you seen it yourself, I think we'll treat it with a bit of scepticism

cardwizzard

Fo Real wrote: »

Congratulations on completely missing the point. But you did so deliberately, so you could de-rail the thread into another race discussion where everybody denounces whitey as responsible for all the evil in the world.

Go to the airport and ask for a ticket to Peking. or Bombay. Or Abyssinia. Or Constantinople. Or Rhodesia. Need I go on? You'll get a few strange looks, because these places don't exist anymore - even if you insist on calling them by their former name. The city we're discussing is ruled by the UK and has been named Londonderry. Get over it. If this is the most distressing thing in your life then you must be a pretty happy guy.

What a completly uselss post. The city we are talking about is Derry. Maybe it is you who cannot adapt, ever look at it that way?

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Anyways, fair play to the people of the Bog, out washing it down straight away. Years ago that would have just being left on the wall and nobody would have thought twice about it. So that shows progress over the last 10 or so years. Long may progress continue.

Penfailed

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

One or two teenage lowlife paint a slogan on a wall in the Bogside and it's a subject of major political discussion ?? I think the broader nationalist and Republican community have more than made their views known on Ronan Kerr's murder, their's always going to be a few young hoods who will do anything for a sick joke.

I agree. I'm not sure why you think it's a 'major' political discussion though. It was a newsworthy item that has political connotations. This is why I posted it in the Politics forum.

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Near where I live in Dublin a few similiar teenage lowlife's threw paint over the back of a neighbour's car which had a Bohemians FC sticker on it and painted SRFC Ultras nearby on a gable ( Shamrock Rovers Ultras- mickey mouse 'hooligan' gang ). It and God knows how many other acts of hurtful and moronic vandalism occur every week across Ireland, I doubt very much if the OP would consider them a subject of major political discussion

Ah...no. That would just be vandalism with no political connotations. I'm not sure what your point is. Or why for that matter you use the word 'major'? A topic doesn't have to be a 'major' one to engender discussion.

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

unless ofcourse it was to implicate SF or nationalism in general.

Eh? You think I started the thread to try to implicate SF? I'm sorry but I didn't even mention them. I simply quoted a news report. The news report doesn't mention them either

Scofflaw

Are people really incapable of discussing the OP without this side-debate over the name taking over the thread? Extremely childish - one-day ban minimum for every single person involved.

Further "discussion" about the name of the place after this warning will result in a longer ban.

moderately,
Scofflaw

PatsytheNazi

Penfailed wrote: »

I agree. I'm not sure why you think it's a 'major' political discussion though. It was a newsworthy item that has political connotations. This is why I posted it in the Politics forum.

Well, I would have thought that this forum should be for major political issues, I wouldn't include " Dublin skangers wrote victory to Al Queda " or some of the other thousands of pointless acts of vandalism and graffiti on gable wall as an important political issue thread.

Ah...no. That would just be vandalism with no political connotations. I'm not sure what your point is. Or why for that matter you use the word 'major'? A topic doesn't have to be a 'major' one to engender discussion.

What is a major political issue, yeah and how long is a length of string ?

Eh? You think I started the thread to try to implicate SF? I'm sorry but I didn't even mention them. I simply quoted a news report. The news report doesn't mention them either

" You think I started the thread to try to implicate SF? "

Penfailed

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Well, I would have thought that this forum should be for major political issues, I wouldn't include " Dublin skangers wrote victory to Al Queda " or some of the other thousands of pointless acts of vandalism and graffiti on gable wall as an important political issue thread.

AFAIK, this forum is for any political thread/topic.

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

What is a major political issue, yeah and how long is a length of string ?

Exactly!

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

" You think I started the thread to try to implicate SF? "

I think by quoting me, you do think that's why I started the thread? Sorry to disappoint but no, that's not why I started the thread. I was registering my disgust at the 'graffiti artists'. If any of the mods feel that the thread should be moved to AH...or the GAA forum for that matter...please feel free

Wolfe Tone

Fair play to the people of Derry for getting rid of it straight away.

later12

The graffiti is meaningless. It just takes one attention seeking spotty nosed hormonal republican wannabe to write that sort of trash. I'm sure anyone who attended a boys' school can recall seeing Nazi isnignia or IRA rubbish on desks.

Kid needs to get a job, not be given airtime.

P. Breathnach

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Fair play to the people of Derry for getting rid of it straight away.

Some of the people of Derry got rid of graffiti made by others of the people of Derry.

gigino

Denerick wrote: »

These young lads would be involved in organised crime anywhere else in the world. In Ireland, they are able to murder people with a veneer of Republican respectability. We give these lunatics a noble cause; they've learnt well from their forefathers who were determined to murder and maim without any popular support; and they've learnt from a nation that respects murderers and fanatics every Easter. We reap what we sow.

Well said. You hit the nail on the head.

KeithAFC

I was absolutely devastated when I heard about this earlier. Fair play to the ones who cleaned it off. I really hope there isn't people out there who are trying to kick it off again. RIP Ronan.

petroltimer

i stayed once in Londonderry it was quiet pleasant, lots of young people around, does it have a university? and saw local celebratory Gerry Anderson in the KFC(he must have the common touch)

Penfailed

petroltimer wrote: »

does it have a university?

Yeah, the University of Ulster, Magee campus.

junder

In dunclug after the two soldiers were killed an effigy of a soldier holding a pizza box was burnt on top of an interment bonfire, I believe the joke going around was 'dominos pizza, an extra two toppings for free' so the recent graffiti is not an isolated incident, sadly there will always be people who revel in the pain of others and I am afraid we are not always talking about kids. However well done to the residents of Londonderry for the speedy removal of this reprehensible graffiti.

COYW

junder wrote: »

In dunclug after the two soldiers were killed an effigy of a soldier holding a pizza box was burnt on top of an interment bonfire, I believe the joke going around was 'dominos pizza, an extra two toppings for free' so the recent graffiti is not an isolated incident, sadly there will always be people who revel in the pain of others and I am afraid we are not always talking about kids. However well done to the residents of Londonderry for the speedy removal of this reprehensible graffiti.

Wow, there really are some sick people out there.

PatsytheNazi

The TUV's Jim Allister, speaking on Talk Back on Radio Ulster today, when asked by a listener if he would be attending Ronan Kerr's funeral, cited doctrinal reasons as to why he couldn't and rudely shouted down the questioner when he asked him as a follow up whether any representative of his party would represent him instead.

So it's not just moronic teenagers who are insulting the Kerr family but a leading unionist also.

Jaap

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

The TUV's Jim Allister, speaking on Talk Back on Radio Ulster today, when asked by a listener if he would be attending Ronan Kerr's funeral, cited doctrinal reasons as to why he couldn't and rudely shouted down the questioner when he asked him as a follow up whether any representative of his party would represent him instead.

So it's not just moronic teenagers who are insulting the Kerr family but a leading unionist also.

So Jim Allister is a leading unionist???
He was when he was in the DUP a few years ago!!!
As for the attendance at Ronan's funeral...you do not have to attend a funeral to share in the grief of what happen on Saturday!!!

Jaap

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

" On UTV or BBC Newsline last night " Well since your obvioulsy not too sure where you seen it yourself, I think we'll treat it with a bit of scepticism

All the news programmes seem the same these days with the coverage of the killing...all the viewers are saddened and shocked , including myself...forgive me for not being precise.

PeterIanStaker

Denerick wrote: »

These young lads would be involved in organised crime anywhere else in the world. In Ireland, they are able to murder people with a veneer of Republican respectability. We give these lunatics a noble cause; they've learnt well from their forefathers who were determined to murder and maim without any popular support; and they've learnt from a nation that respects murderers and fanatics every Easter. We reap what we sow.

That post could have come straight from the pages of the Sindo.:rolleyes:

Associating the men of 1916 with these modern scumbags is a tried tactic of the selfhating postcolonial Irish media.

Way to tar everyone on the island of Ireland with the same brush.

Also, who's "we"? I sure as hell don't think these head the balls are doing anything in the name of the people of Ireland, or in the name of anyone, and I'm sure there are many who would agree.
The majority of the people on this island want peace, and will not let a small rump of gobsh!tes like the dissidents derail the process.

Dudess

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

One or two teenage lowlife paint a slogan on a wall in the Bogside and it's a subject of major political discussion ?? I think the broader nationalist and Republican community have more than made their views known on Ronan Kerr's murder, their's always going to be a few young hoods who will do anything for a sick joke.

Near where I live in Dublin a few similiar teenage lowlife's threw paint over the back of a neighbour's car which had a Bohemians FC sticker on it and painted SRFC Ultras nearby on a gable ( Shamrock Rovers Ultras- mickey mouse 'hooligan' gang :rolleyes: ). It and God knows how many other acts of hurtful and moronic vandalism occur every week across Ireland, I doubt very much if the OP would consider them a subject of major political discussion

Who was murdered though?

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

The TUV's Jim Allister, speaking on Talk Back on Radio Ulster today, when asked by a listener if he would be attending Ronan Kerr's funeral, cited doctrinal reasons as to why he couldn't and rudely shouted down the questioner when he asked him as a follow up whether any representative of his party would represent him instead.

Seems petty of him.

PeterIanStaker

Dudess wrote: »

Seems petty of him.

"huurrr durrr, yurr in de IRA coz u sed unionizt waz petty"

- average response you'll get from some of the Harrisites on here. :rolleyes:

Dudess

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

That post could have come straight from the pages of the Sindo.:rolleyes:

Associating the men of 1916 with these modern scumbags is a tried tactic of the selfhating postcolonial Irish media.

Way to tar everyone on the island of Ireland with the same brush.

Also, who's "we"? I sure as hell don't think these head the balls are doing anything in the name of the people of Ireland, or in the name of anyone, and I'm sure there are many who would agree.
The majority of the people on this island want peace, and will not let a small rump of gobsh!tes like the dissidents derail the process.

Great post.

Liam Byrne

There will always - unfortunately - be people who worship low-lifes and don't give a crap about law & order, democracy, common decency, respect or consideration of others.

Think [some] people's inexplicable hero-worship of Lowry & Ahern & Co, and multiply it by 100,000......

I think the people of Derry have the right idea; wash it off, move on, and forget about it; don't give those who lower themselves to this the legitimacy of recognition.

Bottle_of_Smoke

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

The TUV's Jim Allister, speaking on Talk Back on Radio Ulster today, when asked by a listener if he would be attending Ronan Kerr's funeral, cited doctrinal reasons as to why he couldn't and rudely shouted down the questioner when he asked him as a follow up whether any representative of his party would represent him instead.

So it's not just moronic teenagers who are insulting the Kerr family but a leading unionist also.

Wonder will they get any assembly seats. He got a good amount of votes in the MEP elections but the general election was an absolute disaster. UUP got 100,000 votes without any member getting elected. TUV got 20,000

Based on the above it would appear he's only interested in targeting the mega bigots on the unionist side. Perhaps someone should tell him most of them will vote DUP out of fear SF would get the FM spot.