An post

Google Gold

Hi boards people.
I have a question. Do an-post allow you to post any dimension envelope that fits into the box. I'm finding it hard to judge if the stamp will cover its journey en route to tha other side of Dublin.
So its really all about the irish stamp system and box, not a great thread but more of a question maybe even a brain teaser.
Have a super-day all.

fakearms123

Have ye tried to google it?

wolfmoon87

http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/WhatAreYouSending.htm?tools

There ya go.

Google Gold

fakearms123 wrote: »

Have ye tried to google it?

HA-HA .



seriously yes i have but noting, would yah believe it. I'll check that link now though thanks.

Hookah

I remember working as a postman once, looking for an address to deliver a Möbius strip, but I kept going round in circles.

smokedeels

Google Gold wrote: »

Have a super-day all.

I will, thanks!

Google Gold

Have it sorted now.I'll leave you with a good joke i think.

The fellow stormed into the postmaster's office in a fury. "I've been getting threatening letters in the mail for months and I want them stopped."

"Of course," said the postmaster. "Sending threatening letters through the mail is a federal offense. Do you know who's
sending them?"

"Yes," shouted the man. "It's those idiots down at the Internal Revenue Service."

_feedback_

Google Gold wrote: »

Have it sorted now.I'll leave you with a good joke i think.

The fellow stormed into the postmaster's office in a fury. "I've been getting threatening letters in the mail for months and I want them stopped."

"Of course," said the postmaster. "Sending threatening letters through the mail is a federal offense. Do you know who's
sending them?"

"Yes," shouted the man. "It's those idiots down at the Internal Revenue Service."

Where's the good joke you mentioned?

WallyGUFC

Joke fail perhaps?

Donny5

Hookah wrote: »

I remember working as a postman once, looking for an address to deliver a Möbius strip, but I kept going round in circles.

This is the real joke fail. A Möbius strip only has one side, so it would be trivial, easier even than a normal looped strip, to find the address, as there would be no reverse side to check.

ElizabethDante

I work as a PO clerk during the summer while not studying Fine Art (only as a way to get money not a life choice).

post costs depends on the size and weight of the envelope/ package

a standard small envelope within ireland is a 55c stamp

an a4 flat envelope is 95c stamp

the prices for thicker packages depend on weight and length and width

if it is a package rather then a flat envelope you are sending and want to guarrantee its survival through the irish post system i recommend you pop into your local PO office

if it is a small flat envelope (mothers day card) but you have put lets say a chocolate bar in it the 55c should be grand ! as long as its still under 100g

hope that was a bit of help !

im new here so im just testing the posting grounds!

stupidusername

what the frick? is boards owned by AnPost or something?

Hookah

Donny5 wrote: »

This is the real joke fail. A Möbius strip only has one side, so it would be trivial, easier even than a normal looped strip, to find the address, as there would be no reverse side to check.

I'm not sure which is nerdier.

Me for making up the joke in the first place, or you for picking it apart.

Would a Möbius band have sufficed?

sdanseo

stupidusername wrote: »

what the frick? is boards owned by AnPost or something?

No. Boards.ie owns An Post now. Didn't you hear?

Voodoomelon

Just because it can fit in a letterbox, doesn't mean the cost is 55c.

As mentioned, its dependant on the style of package and weight.

Use the An Post postage calculator, if it fits in a letterbox and is around 250g in a packet, x4 55c stamps will do the job.

sdanseo

That ^

Try putting a 30cm x 30cm x 5cm lead weight in bubble wrap and putting it in a letterbox with a stamp.

questionmark?

Google Gold wrote: »

Have it sorted now.I'll leave you with a good joke i think.

The fellow stormed into the postmaster's office in a fury. "I've been getting threatening letters in the mail for months and I want them stopped."

"Of course," said the postmaster. "Sending threatening letters through the mail is a federal offense. Do you know who's
sending them?"

"Yes," shouted the man. "It's those idiots down at the Internal Revenue Service."

Donny5 wrote: »

This is the real joke fail. A Möbius strip only has one side, so it would be trivial, easier even than a normal looped strip, to find the address, as there would be no reverse side to check.

ElizabethDante wrote: »

I work as a PO clerk during the summer while not studying Fine Art (only as a way to get money not a life choice).

post costs depends on the size and weight of the envelope/ package

a standard small envelope within ireland is a 55c stamp

an a4 flat envelope is 95c stamp

the prices for thicker packages depend on weight and length and width

if it is a package rather then a flat envelope you are sending and want to guarrantee its survival through the irish post system i recommend you pop into your local PO office

if it is a small flat envelope (mothers day card) but you have put lets say a chocolate bar in it the 55c should be grand ! as long as its still under 100g

hope that was a bit of help !

im new here so im just testing the posting grounds!

WTF is going on here Thought I clicked into after hours not fecking www.badpostaljokesandanalysis.ie

Degag

Don't An Post have to deliver post even if you have the wrong stamp on or even no stamp at all?

Donny5

Hookah wrote: »

I'm not sure which is nerdier.

Me for making up the joke in the first place, or you for picking it apart.

Would a Möbius band have sufficed?

Nope, a Möbius band is a Möbius strip, and it only has one side. If you hold it in your hand and run it through your fingers while looking at one side, you will observe the entirety of the surface area before you reach your starting point again, thus it would be one of very few practically obtainable paper shapes that would leave no reverse side to hide the address.

An easily fooled postman might go in circles looking for the address on an ordinary non-Möbius band, but such a scenario would not be possible with a Möbius band, thus undermining the basis of your joke.

Aishae

Degag wrote: »

Don't An Post have to deliver post even if you have the wrong stamp on or even no stamp at all?

if that happens they charge the recipient the extra postage so if you dont answer the door for your post youll get one of those 'collect you mail at X from 9-5 from the next working day' or thats how it used to be
not sure howd theyd bill san:pac:ty clause

Trevor451

questionmark? wrote: »

WTF is going on here Thought I clicked into after hours not fecking www.badpostaljokesandanalysis.ie

Website is down for me














:pac:

Aishae

actually - come to think of it, i dont know if postmen are allowed to take cash so maybe you HAVE to collect any underpaid post at the sorting office or wherever the postie works out of.

Hookah

Donny5 wrote: »

An easily fooled postman might go in circles looking for the address on an ordinary non-Möbius band, but such a scenario would not be possible with a Möbius band, thus undermining the basis of your joke.

But if the address was on the opposite side of the band on which the imaginary postman is making his deliveries, would this cause sufficient confusion to have the postman travelling in circles on that side of the band on which the address doesn't exist?

Donny5

Hookah wrote: »

But if the address was on the opposite side of the band on which the imaginary postman is making his deliveries, would this cause sufficient confusion to have the postman travelling in circles on that side of the band on which the address doesn't exist?

I think you're mixing up a Möbius strip with something else. A Möbius strip only has one side.

Hookah

Donny5 wrote: »

I think you're mixing up a Möbius strip with something else. A Möbius strip only has one side.

If I made one from a strip of paper, that strip has 2 sides.

It is a 3 dimensional shape.

Kimono-Girl

Aishae wrote: »

actually - come to think of it, i dont know if postmen are allowed to take cash so maybe you HAVE to collect any underpaid post at the sorting office or wherever the postie works out of.

i'd say they are sure at Christmas we give our postman money and he takes it!

most of them are trustworthy and i speak for our postman when i say he'd be nice enough to deliver the post anyway.

Donny5

Hookah wrote: »

If I made one from a strip of paper, that strip has 2 sides.

It is a 3 dimensional shape.

No, you are wrong. A Möbius strip has only one side and that is one of its defining features. If you make a Möbius strip from a length of paper, then try to draw a line down the middle of one side, this will become readily apparent.

Hookah

Donny5 wrote: »

No, you are wrong. A Möbius strip has only one side and that is one of its defining features. If you make a Möbius strip from a length of paper, then try to draw a line down the middle of one side, this will become readily apparent.

Ok.

What if the address was on the edge of the strip?

The second side, so to speak?

Donny5

Hookah wrote: »

Really?

Yes.

Hookah wrote: »

How many sides on a strip of paper?

Two.

Hookah wrote: »

If I twist it into a mobius strip, how many sides does it have now?

One.

If you don't believe me, go ask your friendly local topologist or Google it. I suggest you make a Möbius strip and experiment with it.

Hookah wrote: »

Ok.

What if the address was on the edge of the strip?

The second side, so to speak?

Well, if you're talking about looking for the written address on an envelope shaped as a Möbius strip, then the boundary edge would be too narrow, as it would be the same width as the boundary edge of an ordinary envelope. If you mean that the postman's delivery route was on a hypothetical neighbourhood shaped as a Möbius strip, and this hypothetical neighbourhood's boundary edge also contained addresses where the postman may have to deliver, then the postman would have to walk both seperately, once around the surface and once around the single boundary edge. This would be compared to a postman working on a similar hypothetical neighbourhood that was an ordinary non-Möbius strip, who would have two surfaces and two boundary edges to walk.

In either case, there is no suitable premise for the original joke.

NothingMan

I'm gonna go postal reading this thread.

Hookah

Donny5 wrote: »

Well, if you're talking about looking for the written address on an envelope shaped as a Möbius strip, then the boundary edge would be too narrow, as it would be the same width as the boundary edge of an ordinary envelope. If you mean that the postman's delivery route was on a hypothetical neighbourhood shaped as a Möbius strip, and this hypothetical neighbourhood's boundary edge also contained addresses where the postman may have to deliver, then the postman would have to walk both seperately, once around the surface and once around the single boundary edge. This would be compared to a postman working on a similar hypothetical neighbourhood that was an ordinary non-Möbius strip, who would have two surfaces and two boundary edges to walk.

In either case, there is no suitable premise for the original joke.

But say I'm a hypothetical postman on an actual mobius strip, and am having difficulty tracking down said address, perhaps due to the dimensions of said mobius neighbourhood, is there any likelyhood of my looping around around said neighbourhood in my quest to deliver my post?

Donny5

Hookah wrote: »

But say I'm a hypothetical postman on an actual mobius strip, and am having difficulty tracking down said address, perhaps due to the dimensions of said mobius neighbourhood, is there any likelyhood of my looping around around said neighbourhood in my quest to deliver my post?

Well, assuming there are no addresses on the boundary edge, then one loop of the Möbius 'hood would cover the entire surface area of the 'hood.

Hookah

Donny5 wrote: »

Well, assuming there are no addresses on the boundary edge, then one loop of the Möbius 'hood would cover the entire surface area of the 'hood.

Let's say our postman is half a metre wide, and the strip is hundreds of metre wide, with several separate avenues.

Might he miss the address then?

Donny5

Hookah wrote: »

Let's say our postman is half a metre wide, and the strip is hundreds of metre wide, with several separate avenues.

Might he miss the address then?

In the interest of brevity, I'm going to retire from this discussion. Your joke was very funny and definitely made sense.

Hookah

Donny5 wrote: »

In the interest of brevity, I'm going to retire from this discussion. Your joke was very funny and definitely made sense.

Thanks.

Copper23

Aishae wrote: »

actually - come to think of it, i dont know if postmen are allowed to take cash so maybe you HAVE to collect any underpaid post at the sorting office or wherever the postie works out of.

Are you suggesting Postmen live off money stolen from letters? Do you realise how serious an accusation that is?

Copper23

Degag wrote: »

Don't An Post have to deliver post even if you have the wrong stamp on or even no stamp at all?

lol... WHAT? You under pay your post, its not getting delivered. end of.
I'm sure there'll be a rake of people complaining how bad that is but no, you pay for a service, there is a reason you have to pay certain amounts for certain sizes/weight, how do you recon you can not pay it and still get everything delivered.

I'd love to get a Mustang shipped to Ireland but its too expensive. Think I could "forget the stamps"... NO!

Donny5

Copper23 wrote: »

Are you suggesting Postmen live off money stolen from letters? Do you realise how serious an accusation that is?

Copper23 wrote: »

lol... WHAT? You under pay your post, its not getting delivered. end of.
I'm sure there'll be a rake of people complaining how bad that is but no, you pay for a service, there is a reason you have to pay certain amounts for certain sizes/weight, how do you recon you can not pay it and still get everything delivered.

I'd love to get a Mustang shipped to Ireland but its too expensive. Think I could "forget the stamps"... NO!

Your reading comprehension isn't exactly up to scratch, Copper. Aishae is saying that if there is no postage or insufficient postage, the postman delivers a slip to the addressee which states that should they wish, they can go to their local sorting office and pay the outstanding postage in order to collect the letter sent to them.

Degag is right in that no matter what level of outstanding postage, An Post will attempt to deliver via the method above. If that fails, they will try the same approach with the return address, if present. If both fail, the mail is discarded.

Copper23

Donny5 wrote: »

Your reading comprehension isn't exactly up to scratch, Copper. Aishae is saying that if there is no postage or insufficient postage, the postman delivers a slip to the addressee which states that should they wish, they can go to their local sorting office and pay the outstanding postage in order to collect the letter sent to them.

Degag is right in that no matter what level of outstanding postage, An Post will attempt to deliver via the method above. If that fails, they will try the same approach with the return address, if present. If both fail, the mail is discarded.

I can only comprehend what is written.

Sorry if I misunderstood Aishae's comments, Something similar appeared in another thread lately and I thought they were related. If it was about the postage then my apologies.

Having said that, yeah, you're right, about the process of delivering underpaid mail. What I was getting at is that Degag said that An Post are still required to deliver post which has no stamp or is underpaid. While the explanation yo gave is valid, saying that they are required to deliver post which is not paid for is not true, which was more what was implied.

Aishae

someone asked does An Post have to deliver underpaid mail - i said:

if that happens they charge the recipient the extra postage so if you dont answer the door for your post youll get one of those 'collect you mail at X from 9-5 from the next working day' or thats how it used to be
not sure howd theyd bill santy clause

then 5 mins and 2 posts later i added:
(even if you missed the earlier post - the second part of the one below clearly shows its about underpaid postage - not accusing postmen of theft, which i never have)

actually - come to think of it, i dont know if postmen are allowed to take cash so maybe you HAVE to collect any underpaid post at the sorting office or wherever the postie works out of.

this thread has taken on a life of its own - a very mobius strip shaped life
(wonders what kind of discussion that statement will cause!)