The American soldier, a true monster

whiteonion

Here is another article of what the American soldier is like.

"Less than two weeks after arriving on base, he was gang-raped in the barracks by men who said they were showing him who was in charge of the United States. When he reported the attack to unit commanders, he says they told him, 'It must have been your fault. You must have provoked them.'”

"women in the armed forces are now more likely to be assaulted by a fellow soldier than killed in combat"

Are you US Army fanboys still going to tell me these are just isolated incidents? No you can't, it's obvious that American soldiers are true monsters.

4zn76tysfajdxp

I have one too: "American soldiers are saints."

Easy.

:rolleyes:

whiteonion

Kayson Tight Backspace wrote: »

I have one too: "American soldiers are saints."

Easy.

I have presented evidence that proves they are monsters, time and time again.

Biggins

whiteonion wrote: »

Here is another article of what the American soldier is like.

"Less than two weeks after arriving on base, he was gang-raped in the barracks by men who said they were showing him who was in charge of the United States. When he reported the attack to unit commanders, he says they told him, 'It must have been your fault. You must have provoked them.'”

"women in the armed forces are now more likely to be assaulted by a fellow soldier than killed in combat"

Are you US Army fanboys still going to tell me these are just isolated incidents? No you can't, it's obvious that American soldiers are true monsters.

Feel better now, that rant off your chest?

PeakOutput

Kayson Tight Backspace wrote: »

I have one too: "American soldiers are saints."

Easy.

oooh I want to play

'american soldiers are chosen individually by the dalai lama himself'

FACT

biko

Link to open.

Nm, found it for you http://www.newsweek.com/2011/04/03/the-military-s-secret-shame.html

El Guapo!

Conspiracy theory forum is that way

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You'll feel right at home

whiteonion

"A US military hearing has examined testimony of how three soldiers took it in turns to try to rape an Iraqi girl aged 14 in Mahmudiya in March. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5253160.stm

It looks like the US Soldier is no better than your average Mexican Mafia ganster-animal in a maximum security slammer.

TheZohanS

Paging Overheal to AH, Overheal to AH...

CreepingDeath

whiteonion wrote: »

Here is another article of what the American soldier is like.

And what do you expect a neutral country to do about it ?
Why don't you post that on an American forum ?

Or are you like a gossipy woman who will bitch behind peoples back but never to their face ?

Micky Dolenz

OP, what's with the hard on for Americans?

mikemac

An army is run by the officer for the officers

What I find in all these investigations is it's always lowly privates and NCO's who get named and shamed and jailed.

But the officer in charge of them lawyer up and get away though they are responsible for leading and managing them.

Same in any business too I suppose, **** rolls downhill

And realy OP. You could have started this thread on the Russian army. Suicide among recruits is sadly common. But you're like the Galway Alliance Against War, if it's the USA or Isreal they are automatically terrible and every other nation are saints

Dymo

There's 1,477,896 active personal in the american military and a futher 1,458,500 reserve persona, so thats nearly 3 million people. I will need more than your 2 quotes to convince me that their all monsters.

NTMK

So almost 1.5 million soldiers are monsters

or

you're making a gross generalisation


I know what i believe

syklops

The ministers cat is an extraordinary cat.

Or is that a different game?

arybvtcw0eolkf

whiteonion wrote: »

Here is another article of what the American soldier is like.

"Less than two weeks after arriving on base, he was gang-raped in the barracks by men who said they were showing him who was in charge of the United States. When he reported the attack to unit commanders, he says they told him, 'It must have been your fault. You must have provoked them.'”

Yay, gang rape - 9 out of 10 people say they enjoyed it!.

whiteonion wrote: »

"women in the armed forces are now more likely to be assaulted by a fellow soldier than killed in combat"

This is true of any army.

starbelgrade

whiteonion wrote: »

Are you US Army fanboys still going to tell me these are just isolated incidents? No you can't, it's obvious that American soldiers are true monsters.

I eat breakfast 300 yards from 4000 Cubans who are trained to kill me, so don't think for one second that you can come down here, flash your posts, and make me nervous.

Topper Harley

whiteonion wrote: »

Here is another article of what the American soldier is like....

...Are you US Army fanboys still going to tell me these are just isolated incidents? No you can't, it's obvious that American soldiers are true monsters.

Are you saying every single American soldier is a true monster? Or do you have a balanced view? You seem to be very good at cherry picking. I'm sure if you looked, you'd find some nice stories about American soldiers that'd warm your heart. Having said that, there undoubtedly are some monsters among them.

partyndbs

AMERICA **** YEAH

arybvtcw0eolkf

This thread needs Col. Jessup

biko

Someone has to be up there on that wall rape his fellow soldiers so you can sleep at night.

davetherave

The american soldier, a hero.

Medic saves Iraqi boy whose father claims U.S. violence


America soldier risks his life to save two Afghan children who were trapped in a minefield.

This game is fun. What else have you got op?

jimthemental

I have some sympathy for US military personnel, they're the ones invariably in the firing line due to political posturing, big oil influence or religious fanaticism. On the other hand what nut job is so anxious to go to an arid and inhospitable shíthole and get shot at and suicide bombed?

SirenX

my dad used to be in the army and if that had happened the perpetrators would've gotten their big toes shot off so they could never be in the army again.

that is just evil


but I wouldn't say that all of the american army are monsters. there is always the few that do wrong but that doesn't count for the entire army

MarkR

American Soldiers....often wear green? I like the generalisation game.

Sykk

"Michael Jackson is alive"

"Barack Obama now taoiseach of Ireland"

I can do it too.

Chaotic_Forces

whiteonion wrote: »

Here is another article of what the American soldier is like.

"Less than two weeks after arriving on base, he was gang-raped in the barracks by men who said they were showing him who was in charge of the United States. When he reported the attack to unit commanders, he says they told him, 'It must have been your fault. You must have provoked them.'”

"women in the armed forces are now more likely to be assaulted by a fellow soldier than killed in combat"

Are you US Army fanboys still going to tell me these are just isolated incidents? No you can't, it's obvious that American soldiers are true monsters.

Oh, it's you, again.

Look, you got proven wrong several fu*king times over, give it up.

The fact is: people are monsters, not just people in America's Army.

But... if all American soldiers are monsters, the guy who got raped was a monster too!

Don't try to cover the entire army with a few people's actions, the world and its people do not work like that.

Nodin

whiteonion wrote: »

Here is another article of what the American soldier is like.

"Less than two weeks after arriving on base, he was gang-raped in the barracks by men who said they were showing him who was in charge of the United States. When he reported the attack to unit commanders, he says they told him, 'It must have been your fault. You must have provoked them.'”

"women in the armed forces are now more likely to be assaulted by a fellow soldier than killed in combat"

Are you US Army fanboys still going to tell me these are just isolated incidents? No you can't, it's obvious that American soldiers are true monsters.

Yes, sweeping generalisations will really get you somewhere, ffs....

DrumSteve

Some dude got buttsexed against his will and suddenly they are all monsters.

Its gross and a generalisation. And also a gross generalisation.

Faolchu

does the USAF count? what about these guys are they monsters?

At around 3:30 p.m. on Oct. 30, 1991, the crew of Jolly 10 — a five-man Air Force combat search and rescue team — lifted off from the Francis Gabreski Air National Guard Base in Westhampton Beach, N.Y. The mission: Save a lone Japanese yachtsman foundering in rough waters 270 miles southeast of Long Island's coast.
During the three-hour hop, the chopper sucked down several thousand pounds of fuel, gassing up twice in flight from an HC-130 Hercules. On the return trip the helicopter would need to "hit" the tanker twice more.
Arriving on scene, the crew quickly surmised that any rescue attempt would be nearly impossible. Seventy-foot seas, 80 mph gusts and darkness made diving into the drink a risky venture for Spillane and fellow pararescueman Tech. Sgt. Arden "Rick" Smith.

if i remember right the HC130 was USMC and they stayed out well past the point of no return and landed with no fuel on a beach just so they could provide much needed fuel to the PJs.

more here

Both aircraft flew into wicked weather conditions and the helicopter was unable to take fuel in flight. The aircraft was forced to ditch in the Atlantic Ocean about 60 miles south of the base and the crewmembers were in the fight of their lives in what would later become known as the Perfect Storm. The mission was recounted both in the best selling book and the major motion picture and both provided a fitting tribute to the only crewmember who was not recovered by the valiant efforts of the crew of Coast Guard Vessel Tamaroa. TSgt Arden “Rick” Smith, pararescuman (PJ), gave the ultimate sacrifice that day so “That Others May Live.”

TSgt Smith gave his life for the people on that boat, to date his body hasnt been recovered.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_200007/ai_n8912127/

With only 15 minutes of fuel remaining, Ruvola brought the helicopter down so the crew could ditch in the ocean while Buschor issued a mayday call picked up by a nearby U.S. Coast Guard Cutter, the Tamaroa.

Just as Ruvola brought the HH60 down, one of its two engines died, forcing the crew to bail out into 70-foot waves. The PJs went first. Smith jumped into the darkness and was never seen again. Spillane went next, breaking both wrists and a lower leg bone, cracking foul ribs and nearly his kidney from the impact.

In December 1994, the 106th Rescue Wing launched two HH-60s from Gabreski Airport on a mission that would take them to Halifax, Canada and then, 750 miles out over the Atlantic to search for survivors of the Ukrainian merchant vessel Salvador Allende. After searching the sea, one survivor was spotted. .....After searching the sea, TSgt James “Doc” Dougherty jumped into the water and retrieved the last living member of the crew, Alexander Taranov. The two helicopters then began the arduous seven-hour return flight to Halifax, Nova Scotia. During the 15-hour mission, the two helicopter crews were refueled in flight 10 times by the Wing’s HC-130s.

The 106th Rescue Wing received national attention again in July 1996 when its aircraft and rescue personnel were the first unit on-scene after the TWA Flight 800 disaster

Oh and the 106th were one of the first responders in NYC during the events of Sept 11th. Other PJ units were flown from Italy to Turkey to assist turkish rescue and medical crews after an earthquake, yep i guess they are all monsters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMHxxLIvozo

US PJ units respond after earth quake in Haiti

My name is URL

It's stupid to generalise but it's still a pretty grim reality that this stuff can happen in what is considered to be the world's finest military force.

In 2010 the Pentagon anonymously surveyed active-duty soldiers who had been sexually assaulted about why they declined to report their attacks. Almost half the responding men said they kept silent because they didn’t want anyone to know, a third said they didn’t think anything would be done, and almost 30 percent said they were afraid of retaliation or reprisals.

The fact that in so many cases the complaints were ignored reminds me a bit of the church abuse scandal in this country.. of course, nobody ever makes generalisations about that, do they!

chillywilly

Whiteonion it never ceases to amaze me how much of a jackass troll you are. I expect to be taking a holiday for calling you a jackass so I may as well say it again. Jackass.

TheRevolution

whiteonion wrote: »

Here is another article of what the American soldier is like.

"Less than two weeks after arriving on base, he was gang-raped in the barracks by men who said they were showing him who was in charge of the United States. When he reported the attack to unit commanders, he says they told him, 'It must have been your fault. You must have provoked them.'”

"women in the armed forces are now more likely to be assaulted by a fellow soldier than killed in combat"

Are you US Army fanboys still going to tell me these are just isolated incidents? No you can't, it's obvious that American soldiers are true monsters.

Here is another article of what a Dublin person is like

"A Dublin man has been sentenced to 15 years for his role in trying to make a female college student have sex with her male housemates after breaking into their home with a hammer and hacksaw."

Are you Dublin people fanboys still going to tell me these are just isolated incidents? No you can't, its obvious that Dublin people are true monsters.

Topper Harley

My name is URL wrote: »

In 2010 the Pentagon anonymously surveyed active-duty soldiers who had been sexually assaulted about why they declined to report their attacks.

If these assaults weren't reported how did they know which soldiers to survey?

EDIT: Just realised from reading quotes of my post that I left out a word.

Chaotic_Forces

Topper Harley wrote: »

If these assaults weren't reported how did they which soldiers to survey?

I think it means if you were assaulted and I knew about it, I'd report it and you would then be surveyed as to why you didn't report it.

My name is URL

Topper Harley wrote: »

If these assaults weren't reported how did they which soldiers to survey?

Not sure actually! Maybe they circulated the survey to everyone and asked those who had been assaulted to partake in it?

phill106

I love generalisations.

One soldier bad. All soldiers bad.


One irish man bombs a psni officers car and kills him. Did we all do it?

No...One man did. But by your reasoning, we all did.

One man, josef fritzl did horrible things to his daughter in a basement for 25 years. He is a man, You are a man. Did you do this as well then? By your reasoning you did.

Will you be turning yourself in now?

2 people won the lotto last week. I am a person. Where is my money?

Chaotic_Forces

phill106 wrote: »

I love generalisations.

One soldier bad. All soldiers bad.


One irish man bombs a psni officers car and kills him. Did we all do it?

No...One man did. But by your reasoning, we all did.

One man, josef fritzl did horrible things to his daughter in a basement for 25 years. He is a man, You are a man. Did you do this as well then? By your reasoning you did.

Will you be turning yourself in now?

2 people won the lotto last week. I am a person. Where is my money?

Actually, the OP's argument would be more akin to a group of people with a duty/job being monsters, rather a group of people.
Example would be: one police officer called a black fella a racist word and made racist remarks, so now all officers are racist.
Or, this guy in the shop stole 50 cent from me in change, all shop workers are theives.

Rented Mule

OP ....as an American, I have to commend you on coming forward and exposing us all for what we truly are.....MONSTERS !!!

We know where you live, and we know where you sleep. You had better not sleep with the closet door open, or look under your bed,

Your duvet cocoon will not protect you when we come for you.

Chaotic_Forces

Rented Mule wrote: »

OP ....as an American, I have to commend you on coming forward and exposing us all for what we truly are.....MONSTERS !!!

We know where you live, and we know where you sleep. You had better not sleep with the closet door open, or look under your bed,

Your duvet cocoon will not protect you when we come for you.

Sent by the CIA to kill him, eh? If I enjoy the fact that you're a cold-blooded killer, am I and all Irish people monsters too? :pac:

Rented Mule

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Sent by the CIA to kill him, eh? If I enjoy the fact that you're a cold-blooded killer, am I and all Irish people monsters too? :pac:

We do have an extra Cookie Monster and Elmo costume, but they are first come - first serve.

Topper Harley

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Sent by the CIA to kill him, eh? If I enjoy the fact that you're a cold-blooded killer, am I and all Irish people monsters too? :pac:

Wait, if you're a monster, does that make the OP a monster too?

Chaotic_Forces

Rented Mule wrote: »

We do have an extra Cookie Monster and Elmo costume, but they are first come - first serve.

It's okay! I'm a monster, I'll kill anyone who wants those costumes.

Topper Harley wrote: »

Wait, if you're a monster, does that make the OP a monster too?

It makes you one too.

Steyr

Anybody ever see this?:

Filmmaker Vaughan Smith spent 10 days recording life and death on a US Medevac helicopter in Afghanistan.

Blood and Dust-DUSTOFF in Afghanistan:

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/2011/02/201121673217263109.html


WATCH ALL OF IT.

Incredible short film on medevac in Afghanistan. I had the pleasure of meeting Crews from the 159th when they came to the Salthill Airshow in Galway a few years back.

Manic Moran

You know, I've obviously completely and utterly misunderstood my job description. Had I known that it was a license/justification to get all my primeval kicks but killing and raping, I'd have started long ago. Thank you, OP, for notifying me of my omission and the fact that I've not been taking advantage of this fact to obtain my own personal satifaction at the inhumane expense of others. Indeed, I shall go the whole way and set about finding a suitable 'monster' costume.

Hannibal Lechter mask, or Godzilla suit, do you think?

NTM

PeakOutput

This man is truly a monster of epic proportions

http://www.ted.com/talks/stanley_mcchrystal.html?awesm=on.ted.com_McChrystal&utm_content=awesm-bookmarklet&utm_medium=on.ted.com-static&utm_source=direct-on.ted.com

jackiebaron

NTMK wrote: »

So almost 1.5 million soldiers are monsters

or

you're making a gross generalisation


I know what i believe

1 out of every 4 females in the US armed forces has been raped by fellow male personnel. So get a figure for that and you got the number of rapists. I doubt one guy is doing all the raping. According to the Lancet over 1 million Iraqi civilians have been killed since the war began. I diubt that they were all killed by just one guy. But a lot of the civilians were wiped out en-masse from napalm/white phosphorous strikes in Fallujah and other indescriminate attacks. Then you've got the Haditha massacre, Abu Ghraib, Bagram, Mahmoudiya, Guantanamo and all the soldiers who have murdered cameramen and reporters so they couldn't tell what was going on, etc. and you've got a fairly high number of scumbags in the service.

Logical Fallacy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDdg1D_vU5I

PeakOutput

jackiebaron wrote: »

1 out of every 4 females in the US armed forces has been raped by fellow male personnel. So get a figure for that and you got the number of rapists. I doubt one guy is doing all the raping. According to the Lancet over 1 million Iraqi civilians have been killed since the war began. I diubt that they were all killed by just one guy. But a lot of the civilians were wiped out en-masse from napalm/white phosphorous strikes in Fallujah and other indescriminate attacks. Then you've got the Haditha massacre, Abu Ghraib, Bagram, Mahmoudiya, Guantanamo and all the soldiers who have murdered cameramen and reporters so they couldn't tell what was going on, etc. and you've got a fairly high number of scumbags in the service.

please please please start providing citations for your crazy rants

NTMK

jackiebaron wrote: »

1 out of every 4 females in the US armed forces has been raped by fellow male personnel. So get a figure for that and you got the number of rapists. I doubt one guy is doing all the raping. According to the Lancet over 1 million Iraqi civilians have been killed since the war began. I diubt that they were all killed by just one guy. But a lot of the civilians were wiped out en-masse from napalm/white phosphorous strikes in Fallujah and other indescriminate attacks. Then you've got the Haditha massacre, Abu Ghraib, Bagram, Mahmoudiya, Guantanamo and all the soldiers who have murdered cameramen and reporters so they couldn't tell what was going on, etc. and you've got a fairly high number of scumbags in the service.

I dont doubt any of that either but i was mainly referring to this statement by the op

it's obvious that American soldiers are true monsters.

Which is untrue a lot of good soldiers in the US forces but to tar them all with the same brush is ridiculous