xbox live should be free

superfish

ok so this is just one of the reasons im thinking I should move over to playstation dont get me wrong I love my xbox but I think they are far too greedy

1. you have to pay yearly gold membership or you cant play online games thats that really takes the p.iss when you take into account I already pay for my internet usage and ive paid 50 quid for a game

2. they did not release it with rechargeable controllers so you have to buy battery packs separate

3.buy a hdmi lead separate

4.no bluray

5.if you have a surround sound you cant connect your xbox to it unless you buy their optical out cable priced at 70 euro

6. each game comes with a code so only one person can play it online unless they pay for a second code

7.red ring of death, I guarantee this was no design flaw just another scam to generate more sales

but what really gets under my skin is that microsoft dont need all this extra money they are doing just fine from software and so on

an before anyone says stop being cheap im not I paid for all the above it just annoys me I just want to know am I on my own here or do others feel the same ?

Azure_sky

It definitely should be cheaper at least but shops have reduced it's price by about 33%. The one good thing about it not being free is there's less thirteen year old skangers spewing abuse over the mic.

chin_grin

Azure_sky wrote: »

It definitely should be cheaper at least but shops have reduced it's price by about 33%. The one good thing about it not being free is there's less thirteen year old skangers spewing abuse over the mic.

This would also be my main argument for the pro charging for Gold.

But I agree it's a little cheeky and steep of M$ to charge for what PS3 owners are getting for free.

Vic Vinegar

5.if you have a surround sound you cant connect your xbox to it unless you buy their optical out cable priced at 70 euro

You can get these for less than €10

6. each game comes with a code so only one person can play it online unless they pay for a second code

It's individual game companies that charge extra (EA's online pass etc) not Microsoft

7.red ring of death, I guarantee this was no design flaw just another scam to generate more sales

You guarantee that, do you?

Korvanica

superfish wrote: »

7.red ring of death, I guarantee this was no design flaw just another scam to generate more sales

So intentionally messing up their console and in turn costing themselves a Huge amount of money giving free repairs & redesigning the MoBo to fix the issue helped them make more money? EDIT: It cost them more than 1 Billion...

The only reason PSN gaming is free is because Sony needed a hook to get people to pick Playstation over Xbox.. If PSN was out before it'd probably be a paid service

TheMooseInNam

chin_grin wrote: »

This would also be my main argument for the pro charging for Gold.

But I agree it's a little cheeky and steep of M$ to charge for what PS3 owners are getting for free.

PS3 owners don't get the quality of service that XBL members do! XBL is a policed serviced and virtually hackers-free. Only up to a couple of weeks ago, it was impossible to play BlOps or MW2 on PSN due to the amount of hacking that was going on.

You pay the yearly membership to provide you with a level, fair playing field. I recently upgraded my membership for the sixth year in a row, for just over €40. I consider that excellent value for the service provided, less than €1 per week. Think of it like an anti-virus protection from hackers.

maximoose

1. you have to pay yearly gold membership or you cant play online games thats that really takes the p.iss when you take into account I already pay for my internet usage and ive paid 50 quid for a game

I think the price of Xbox live is too much, so i agree somewhat. But I dont think it should be free, XBL >>> PSN and I'm happy to pay for that

2. they did not release it with rechargeable controllers so you have to buy battery packs separate

No big deal? The rechargable packs dont cost much

3.buy a hdmi lead separate

Cheap as chips

4.no bluray

Yeah they f*cked up on backing HD-DVD, eejits. If you really want a blu-ray player they're cheap enough. I watch plenty of HD on my xbox through external hard drives so I couldn't care less.

5.if you have a surround sound you cant connect your xbox to it unless you buy their optical out cable priced at 70 euro

Lies. As already stated you can pick those up very cheap, I know I only paid €5 for mine.

6. each game comes with a code so only one person can play it online unless they pay for a second code

Lies.

7.red ring of death, I guarantee this was no design flaw just another scam to generate more sales

Lies.

chin_grin

TheMooseInNam wrote: »

PS3 owners don't get the quality of service that XBL members do! XBL is a policed serviced and virtually hackers-free. Only up to a couple of weeks ago, it was impossible to play BlOps or MW2 on PSN due to the amount of hacking that was going on.

You pay the yearly membership to provide you with a level, fair playing field. I recently upgraded my membership for the sixth year in a row, for just over €40. I consider that excellent value for the service provided, less than €1 per week. Think of it like an anti-virus protection from hackers.

Nice post! Thanks for the info. I did think my comment was a little on the side of 'rabbling for the sake of it'.

IngazZagni

Agreed. I have both a PS3 and 360 (oh lah di dah) and over the past couple years all but one game I bought was on PS3 because that was a 360 exclusive. I'm mainly a single player enthusiast with games like GTA and Uncharted so I don't find it worthwhile to pay 50 quid for the odd hour here or there I may play online. Also when I did pay for XBL for a while I couldn't see the difference in quality between it and PSN. There are other reasons too but that's my main issue with it.

shefra

How to cancel xbox live, no way of doing it on site and is england the only way to ring to cancel? any help, numbers or sites greatly appreciated, thanks.:mad:

superfish

ok guys il admit its been a while since I had to buy any xbox gear ie optical out cable at the time I bought mine a few years back they were indeed 70 euro

also how many xbox do you think break whilst not under the manufacturers warranty

so yes I guarantee you they did it on purpose to generate sales how can a company as clever as microsoft make such a big mistake and also not rectify it ?

also there are plenty of kids trash talking on live unless im on a different xbox than you guys I think its time to stop making excuses for the multi billon dollar company and face up to the fact your wallet is being raped

many of you pointed out that all these parts are cheap ie battery pack, maybe so at the time I bought 2 at 19.99 so how many others did the same and how much extra did microsoft make

time to wake up people

maximoose

superfish wrote: »

so yes I guarantee you they did it on purpose to generate sales how can a company as clever as microsoft make such a big mistake and also not rectify it ?

hold on, how does releasing a piece of hardware that you know is faulty and will break down the line causing a massive backlash going to generate sales? You're not making sense.

So you spent €70 on an official optical cable, and €19.99 a piece on the official play and charge kits even though there are third party alternatives which are MUCH better value, and we're the ones who need to wake up? :rolleyes:

Jet Black

Another thing is the wireless adaptor. Was it €120 when released? See them in gamestop now for 50. The xbox also ships with a mic, so every little kid has one.

Only thing is the better exclusives. Left 4 dead and halo.

maximoose

Jet Black wrote: »

Another thing is the wireless adaptor. Was it €120 when released? See them in gamestop now for 50. The xbox also ships with a mic, so every little kid has one.

Only thing is the better exclusives. Left 4 dead and halo.

I definitely agree with you on the wireless adaptor, shameful overpricing by microsoft.

NTMK

superfish wrote: »

ok so this is just one of the reasons im thinking I should move over to playstation dont get me wrong I love my xbox but I think they are far too greedy

Have both PS3's online is poor due to lack of support and mics (both a blessing and a curse :pac:)

1. you have to pay yearly gold membership or you cant play online games thats that really takes the p.iss when you take into account I already pay for my internet usage and ive paid 50 quid for a game

its less than a euro a week

2. they did not release it with rechargeable controllers so you have to buy battery packs separate

meh controller + battery is still cheaper than a PS3 contoller

3.buy a hdmi lead separate
PS3 doesnt come with one either they cost €10

4.no bluray
problem with releasing a console when bluray was still experimental

5.if you have a surround sound you cant connect your xbox to it unless you buy their optical out cable priced at 70 euro

as said before they cost around €10

6. each game comes with a code so only one person can play it online unless they pay for a second code

PS3 has that as well

7.red ring of death, I guarantee this was no design flaw just another scam to generate more sales
nope ended up costing microsoft over 1 billion

but what really gets under my skin is that microsoft dont need all this extra money they are doing just fine from software and so on
an before anyone says stop being cheap im not I paid for all the above it just annoys me I just want to know am I on my own here or do others feel the same ?
Stop being cheap:pac: with the exception of bluray the 360 is a better console all round. xbl is alot better supported than psn so you get what you pay for really

.

TheMooseInNam

superfish wrote: »

so yes I guarantee you they did it on purpose to generate sales how can a company as clever as microsoft make such a big mistake and also not rectify it ?

time to wake up people

Superfish,

Having an unsupported opinion doesn't make it fact just because you think it might be true. To be honest, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this forum and that's saying something. You really think MS would risk loosing marketshare to Sony by inventing the RRoD and cost themselves in excess of 1 billion in warranty claims, just to generate more console sales.

In fact, I could write a half hour long post on all the reasons against your hypothesis and still not cover everything.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, feel free to air yours but don't start "guaranteeing" stuff that you have absolutely no proof of. Let's try and keep stuff on the ground with sensible discussions on the topic.

If you can't afford or justify the €40-ish that XBL charge for membership for their online service, then by all means go over to PSN for their free service. Just don't start complaining on the PSN thread when you find things aren't quite up to scratch. You get what you pay for.

TheMooseInNam

maximoose wrote: »

I definitely agree with you on the wireless adaptor, shameful overpricing by microsoft.

I completely agree with you on this! Ridiculous price tag. I'm re-arranging my home network at the moment to all 200mbps homeplugs (including one homeplug with built-in wifi) and plan on plugging directly into one of my xboxes that I use as a media centre. It currently uses the older wireless network adapter and I couldn't justify paying the price on the new one when I could get another homeplug for similar money.

D3UC3 J3

@NTMK +1

Also the price has reduced massively.

My house mate let his lapse for a couple of days last month and was offered 12 months plus 800 points straight from one of the adverts on the dashboard for €36.

IMO 100% worth every penny.

"PSN is about €100 less worth it than Xbox Live"

Their Magnificent Customer Care should make up for all the other charges

superfish

what a ridiculous question how does it generate sales, this is how. the red ring of death usually happens about 2 to 3 years of ownership when you have no guarentee so you have to buy a new xbox. about 10 of my mates had to

also at the time I bought my components there was no such thing as unofficial components as the battery packs had just been released so you had no choice but to buy microsoft parts


if you guys wanna keep making your beloved microsoft rich be my guest, this is just the trend with boards all you guys do is sit and wait for a new thread to open so you can show everyone how great you are at taking the piss if you look over most threads on boards its always the same guys and its always the same spiel ie oh where did you get your facts or look ive drawn up a graph that proves your wrong

all you guys are is thanks whores :pac:

Vic Vinegar

superfish wrote: »

ok guys il admit its been a while since I had to buy any xbox gear ie optical out cable at the time I bought mine a few years back they were indeed 70 euro

You should have tried shopping around, €70 is scandalous even for 2 or 3 years ago. Did you get in in Currys?

superfish wrote: »

if you guys wanna keep making your beloved microsoft rich be my guest, this is just the trend with boards all you guys do is sit and wait for a new thread to open so you can show everyone how great you are at taking the piss if you look over most threads on boards its always the same guys and its always the same spiel ie oh where did you get your facts or look ive drawn up a graph that proves your wrong

LOL

superfish

TheMooseInNam wrote: »

PS3 owners don't get the quality of service that XBL members do! XBL is a policed serviced and virtually hackers-free. Only up to a couple of weeks ago, it was impossible to play BlOps or MW2 on PSN due to the amount of hacking that was going on.

You pay the yearly membership to provide you with a level, fair playing field. I recently upgraded my membership for the sixth year in a row, for just over €40. I consider that excellent value for the service provided, less than €1 per week. Think of it like an anti-virus protection from hackers.

This is the best response so far although the ea servers do a dam good job of crashing regularly themselfs with no help from hackers

you will know what I mean if you ever played dead space 2

Korvanica

The Thanks whores are located here...

MS gives a 3 year warranty on rrod. Most of the people i know who had launch models got rrod well before the 3 years was up and were sorted out with new xboxs.

anyway why the hell are we even discussing rrod since its basically no longer an issue?

What was to stop you from buying a few rechargeable batteries and a charger if you thought the packs were too expensive? thats what I did at first, then managed to pick up a few plug and play kits in Argos for 6 euro a few years ago...

superfish

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

You should have tried shopping around, €70 is scandalous even for 2 or 3 years ago. Did you get in in Currys?




LOL

na it was in gamestop uk in around 2006 its the adapter with the bult in optical lead out, not an optical lead maybe I should have said that in the first place lol

NTMK

superfish wrote: »

na it was in gamestop uk in around 2006 its the adapter with the bult in optical lead out, not an optical lead maybe I should have said that in the first place lol

the optical out came as standard on the launch models component cable

superfish

Korvanica wrote: »

The Thanks whores are located here...

MS gives a 3 year warranty on rrod. Most of the people i know who had launch models got rrod well before the 3 years was up and were sorted out with new xboxs.

anyway why the hell are we even discussing rrod since its basically no longer an issue?

What was to stop you from buying a few rechargeable batteries and a charger if you thought the packs were too expensive? thats what I did at first, then managed to pick up a few plug and play kits in Argos for 6 euro a few years ago...

I prefer the plug and play battery pack as you can charge it from your pc and just keep playing you game lot less messing about

testicle

superfish wrote: »

na it was in gamestop uk in around 2006 its the adapter with the bult in optical lead out, not an optical lead maybe I should have said that in the first place lol

I have my XBox connected to the Surround Sound via HDMI, no need for an optical cable.

superfish

NTMK wrote: »

the optical out came as standard on the launch models component cable

then why did I have to buy one ???

maximoose

testicle wrote: »

I have my XBox connected to the Surround Sound via HDMI, no need for an optical cable.

Early 360s didnt have HDMI out.

superfish

testicle wrote: »

I have my XBox connected to the Surround Sound via HDMI, no need for an optical cable.

how ? maybe its an issue with my home theatre as I have my xbox connected via hdmi and my tv connected to my suround via aux it worked fine on everything except when I played xbox

IngazZagni

Guys no need to turn this into a 360 vs PS3 thread. They are both good consoles, I have my favourite for various reasons and others have their favourite for their reasons but the bottom line is who the **** cares? We should be thankful that there is healthy competition in the market otherwise we may only have one console on the market with wii like graphics because they wouldn't have spent the time and money trying to make their console better than the competitors.

edit: This is the bloody internet, what's with the fücking censorship?

superfish

maximoose wrote: »

Early 360s didnt have HDMI out.

true but I doubt anyone has an early model that still works

Shammy

superfish wrote: »

ok guys il admit its been a while since I had to buy any xbox gear ie optical out cable at the time I bought mine a few years back they were indeed 70 euro

also how many xbox do you think break whilst not under the manufacturers warranty

so yes I guarantee you they did it on purpose to generate sales how can a company as clever as microsoft make such a big mistake and also not rectify it ?

also there are plenty of kids trash talking on live unless im on a different xbox than you guys I think its time to stop making excuses for the multi billon dollar company and face up to the fact your wallet is being raped

many of you pointed out that all these parts are cheap ie battery pack, maybe so at the time I bought 2 at 19.99 so how many others did the same and how much extra did microsoft make

time to wake up people

I've returned 9 xbox's to the store in which i bought them from . They failed on some reason or other (usually rrod) each time (it was within a year) the store gave me out a brand new xbox , new leads , joypad etc etc . Back in the day the xbox came with hdmi cable and also the opti- cable, so i never had to return them.
I'm wondering how microsoft conned me out of money for this terrible service :rolleyes:

maximoose

superfish wrote: »

true but I doubt anyone has an early model that still works

I do

superfish

Shammy wrote: »

I've returned 9 xbox's to the store in which i bought them from . They failed on some reason or other (usually rrod) each time (it was within a year) the store gave me out a brand new xbox , new leads , joypad etc etc . Back in the day the xbox came with hdmi cable and also the opti- cable, so i never had to return them.
I'm wondering how microsoft conned me out of money for this terrible service :rolleyes:

how convenient it just happened to happen to all 9 xbox consoles within a year jesus your one lucky guy why not round up that number to 10 for added impact

Fingleberries

superfish wrote: »

true but I doubt anyone has an early model that still works

Ehhmmm? I do and it's still going strong.

Azure_sky

shefra wrote: »

How to cancel xbox live, no way of doing it on site and is england the only way to ring to cancel? any help, numbers or sites greatly appreciated, thanks.:mad:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70437482

They should try to keep you by offering it for E36 (How the hell do I do the Euro symbol on my keyboard?!). Do yourself a favour and ring them via a landline if possible...

superfish

maximoose wrote: »

I do

prove it !! (my turn to be a thanks whore)

dont make me break out the graphs

Azure_sky

superfish wrote: »

many of you pointed out that all these parts are cheap ie battery pack, maybe so at the time I bought 2 at 19.99 so how many others did the same and how much extra did microsoft make

The battery packs are crap. Mine lasted a few weeks and died. I just get batteries from a pound shop now. Much better.

Xinkai

superfish wrote: »

1. you have to pay yearly gold membership or you cant play online games thats that really takes the p.iss when you take into account I already pay for my internet usage and ive paid 50 quid for a game.

Don't want to pay for the yearly? Get a 3 Month card for 20 euro. As stated, yearly works out les than a euro a week, GREAT value for the services that you CHOOSE to use. Xbox Live, Zune, Arcade Downloads exclusive to Xbox, Sky Player, Facebook, Twitter. PSN has none of them, how else do you expect MS to pay for all these contracts and services?

2. they did not release it with rechargeable controllers so you have to buy battery packs separate.

Protip: Buy a set of rechargeable AA batteries, set of 4 PLUS recharger in a chemist for 20 quid, not only will they work on your xbox controller, but any other AA device too, AND since you have FOUR, when one set dies, you're set to go immediatly.


3.buy a hdmi lead separate

Boo-Hoo... PS3 doesn't include a HDMI cable either, what now? Also, the OFFICIAL Sony HDMI cable costs more than the official MS360 HDMI cable. OR as stated loads of times previously, get one in a pound shop for 3 quid.


4.no bluray

BluRay = Official SONY registered product, MS will never have BluRay, and they did not pass up the oppertunity to have them, nor will they ever get the chance to, since the invention does not belong to them.


5.if you have a surround sound you cant connect your xbox to it unless you buy their optical out cable priced at 70 euro.

Back in 2004, I had one for my PS2. It cost 25 Euro maximum. GTFO with your lies pal, I still have the recoept from 10/2/2004, as it was the day after my bday when I got my PS2.


6. each game comes with a code so only one person can play it online unless they pay for a second code

This is done by the games publisher, example being EA have put in place the EA Online pass, free with ANY EA game. This is only done by the games publisher, not Microsoft Xbox. BY THE WAY, same thing applies for the PS3.


7.red ring of death, I guarantee this was no design flaw just another scam to generate more sales.

You're on drugs dude. 3RL was a design overlook and bad development by Samsung (IIRC) who rushed out chips that were faulty and were not soldered in properly. The other issue that causes a 3RL is a faulty power supply unit malfunction. So it's not always the console. Even so, Xbox put their hand up and said ok it's on us, we're giving you an extended warranty for you're console. You're console dies after that 3 years? Oops I guess, also, basic warranty on an Xbox is 1 year. The longest warranty period on any ELECTRICAL item. PS3 is 3 months with sony. Your washing machine has 6 month manufactures warranty. So 3 years extended on a video games console is amazing. Besides, 3RL is caused by being rough to you're console. I've only ever had 2 Xboxes. My launch console, and my new 360S. No issues. Ever.


My diagnosis, you're spoiled and peed off that you have to spend money. Tough luck pal, nothing is FREE. Neither is Xbox. Deal with it and take your butthurt somewhere like SA where you can get people to agree with you.

Retr0gamer

The reason I think it should be free is that there's no dedicated servers. however creates the game becomes the server and you usually get crap connections because of this. Sony offer a similar service to microsoft and charge nothing yet provide dedicated servers for some of their own games. I now use my PC and PS3 for online gaming because I'm broke now and can't justify spending money on a service I get for free elsewhere.

johnmcdnl

superfish wrote: »

what a ridiculous question how does it generate sales, this is how. the red ring of death usually happens about 2 to 3 years of ownership when you have no guarentee so you have to buy a new xbox. about 10 of my mates had to

:rolleyes:

they HAD to buy a new xbox - if I bought a console that had a terrible reliability rate I'd have switched to PS3 so how does your argument hold...

does microsoft know that there's that the xbox fanboys would automatically buy a new xbox console one the old one failed...

I doubt microsoft were going to be that chancy now seeing as it could go so wrong and end up loose a huge amount of market share to the PS3...

as it's pointed out they lost over 1 billion trying to fix this problem so how many extra consoles would they have had to sell to make back that loss...

I ended up going with PS3 over xbox simply because I was afraid of rrod... so here's one customer they've lost so...

and for all your other points... the sum total of all the extras probably comes to about an extra 50 euro and ps3 doesn't come with mic so that's 20-30 euro extra your saving on xbox... toal difference about 25 euroish...

as for bluray - I still haven't met anyone who's ever bought a bluray movie so....... for me not a big issue having the bluray over hddvd but having hddvd is definitely not an advantage on microsoft's behalf - I'll give you that but I'm not going to go to say that you deserve free online over it...

Shammy

superfish wrote: »

how convenient it just happened to happen to all 9 xbox consoles within a year jesus your one lucky guy why not round up that number to 10 for added impact

Why would i round it up to 10 when it was 9 ?
Yes it was convient , I know lots of people who are there 4th upwards xbox and like me they just returned their broken xbox to the store and received a new one .
Why is it so hard for you to believe ?

Korvanica

Shammy wrote: »

Why would i round it up to 10 when it was 9 ?
Yes it was convient , I know lots of people who are there 4th upwards xbox and like me they just returned their broken xbox to the store and received a new one .
Why is it so hard for you to believe ?

He thinks the warranty only lasts one year from the date you buy your first xbox i assume...

superfish

Xinkai wrote: »

1. you have to pay yearly gold membership or you cant play online games thats that really takes the p.iss when you take into account I already pay for my internet usage and ive paid 50 quid for a game.

Don't want to pay for the yearly? Get a 3 Month card for 20 euro. As stated, yearly works out les than a euro a week, GREAT value for the services that you CHOOSE to use. Xbox Live, Zune, Arcade Downloads exclusive to Xbox, Sky Player, Facebook, Twitter. PSN has none of them, how else do you expect MS to pay for all these contracts and services?

2. they did not release it with rechargeable controllers so you have to buy battery packs separate.

Protip: Buy a set of rechargeable AA batteries, set of 4 PLUS recharger in a chemist for 20 quid, not only will they work on your xbox controller, but any other AA device too, AND since you have FOUR, when one set dies, you're set to go immediatly.


3.buy a hdmi lead separate

Boo-Hoo... PS3 doesn't include a HDMI cable either, what now? Also, the OFFICIAL Sony HDMI cable costs more than the official MS360 HDMI cable. OR as stated loads of times previously, get one in a pound shop for 3 quid.


4.no bluray

BluRay = Official SONY registered product, MS will never have BluRay, and they did not pass up the oppertunity to have them, nor will they ever get the chance to, since the invention does not belong to them.


5.if you have a surround sound you cant connect your xbox to it unless you buy their optical out cable priced at 70 euro.

Back in 2004, I had one for my PS2. It cost 25 Euro maximum. GTFO with your lies pal, I still have the recoept from 10/2/2004, as it was the day after my bday when I got my PS2.


6. each game comes with a code so only one person can play it online unless they pay for a second code

This is done by the games publisher, example being EA have put in place the EA Online pass, free with ANY EA game. This is only done by the games publisher, not Microsoft Xbox. BY THE WAY, same thing applies for the PS3.


7.red ring of death, I guarantee this was no design flaw just another scam to generate more sales.

You're on drugs dude. 3RL was a design overlook and bad development by Samsung (IIRC) who rushed out chips that were faulty and were not soldered in properly. The other issue that causes a 3RL is a faulty power supply unit malfunction. So it's not always the console. Even so, Xbox put their hand up and said ok it's on us, we're giving you an extended warranty for you're console. You're console dies after that 3 years? Oops I guess, also, basic warranty on an Xbox is 1 year. The longest warranty period on any ELECTRICAL item. PS3 is 3 months with sony. Your washing machine has 6 month manufactures warranty. So 3 years extended on a video games console is amazing. Besides, 3RL is caused by being rough to you're console. I've only ever had 2 Xboxes. My launch console, and my new 360S. No issues. Ever.


My diagnosis, you're spoiled and peed off that you have to spend money. Tough luck pal, nothing is FREE. Neither is Xbox. Deal with it and take your butthurt somewhere like SA where you can get people to agree with you.

such a big man sat behind your pc

F1ngers

Azure_sky wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70437482

They should try to keep you by offering it for E36 (How the hell do I do the Euro symbol on my keyboard?!). Do yourself a favour and ring them via a landline if possible...

Press Ctrl-Alt-4 at same time = €

Xinkai wrote: »

Don't want to pay for the yearly? Get a 3 Month card for 20 euro. As stated, yearly works out les than a euro a week, GREAT value for the services that you CHOOSE to use. Xbox Live, Zune, Arcade Downloads exclusive to Xbox, Sky Player, Facebook, Twitter. PSN has none of them, how else do you expect MS to pay for all these contracts and services?

Of course PSN doesn't have those services, just like XBLA doesn't have access to PSN and PSN exclusive content.

PSN has Playstation Home, XBLA doesn't...:p

Do you not have to pay Sky extra in order to be able to use Sky player? - Open to correction on that one.

FB, twitter - meh.

Xinkai wrote: »

4.no bluray

BluRay = Official SONY registered product, MS will never have BluRay, and they did not pass up the oppertunity to have them, nor will they ever get the chance to, since the invention does not belong to them.

MS will have blu-ray in their next gen console. Just backed the wrong format for this gen.
Blu-ray was co-developed by Sony, Philips, Toshiba and Time Warner.
Anyone can use the product, you just pay licensing fees to devolopers.
Just like anyone who uses CDs and DVDs - also co-developed by Sony and others.

There was nothing stopping them from using blu-ray in this gen. They had a choice of HD-DVD or blu-ray.
The original Xbox used DVD - as stated above, co-developed by Sony.

Sony and co-developers of blu-ray will not stop MS from using blu-ray - too much revenue to say no to.

superfish

why do people feel the need to talk down to you ie. your spoilt, you dont even know me pal I had a very rough upbringing so keep your opinion to yourself

also I seriously doubt half of you would speak the way you do in here to some ones face

-=al=-

Def ^^

I have no use for blu-ray at the minute, I've a tonnes of dvds that do just fine

Im fine to pay for xbox live but it wouldn't be bad if it came down in price a bit, it keep sthe service great and most douches off of the system, I definitely have more pros for paying for it than having it free

Korvanica

I'm the same, i think i have 3 BluRays.. I use my computer for media anyway..

Back on topic...

The bottom line is..

Both consoles will cost about the same to buy nowadays... with xbox live being a paid service and PSN free... and the general consensus seems to be that XBL is the better service (but this is the xbox forum so obviously itll be that way here... ask the same question in the psn forum and you'll probably get the opposite answer)...

So..

Everyone quit yer bitchin and go play some computer games...:cool:

Xinkai

I'm not a big man sat behind a oc, and I said nothing offensive.
I work for Xbox, it's my job having these valid arguments every 10 minutes with 50 people a day.

If you already have a sky account and sky digital, you DO NOT need to pay for another package on the xbox. You put in your sky ID and you get the sme package on the c0onsole as you do on your actual sky digital.

And trust me, you will never see BluRay on an xbox, as much as it sucks to admit, as even I admit BluRay is class and would be savage on an xbox, but think also, if everyone is buying a PS3 for bluray, why would sony give it's biggest aspect to it's biggest competitor.

Raze_them_all

Should it be free? No.
Should you pay what microsoft want for it? **** no.

Live is great, it's only when you don't have it do you realise how bloody great it is