"Man flu - Banishing the myths" so-called joke and attitudes to Men's Health

CDfm

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

I dont suffer man flu any more cause Im BI-Winning

Im just that awesome :cool:

I am totally shocked :eek:

Hiya snowey -its been an age BTW whats BI-winning

jamezy

I have a pathological disdain for the "man-flu" joke. You catch a cold, you probably don't feel well and its just a matter of time before a women writes it of as "man flu". I know hypothetical female is joking but i find it quite infuriating!

I suppose the bottom line is i would not marginalize how anyone feels when they are sick, male or female. I would prefer the same ethos applied back to me.

I had a case of ouchie tummy over the weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbmbMSrsZVQ

Amazed that this hasn't been posted yet.

CDfm

its old but its good

iptba

Was looking at RTE's teletext today and when turning it off, Maria Dirrane of 4-Live was saying "after the break we'll be looking at men and their health. Men are notorious for not looking after their health. We'll look at what can be done ..." (or something along those lines).

I didn't get to see what it was (had work to do). But it is a common theme out there that men don't look after their health. The next obvious question is why they might not. Might it not be the messages they (we) receive in popular society? Or how others receive the message that it's ok to tell men to stop focusing on their symptoms, etc? Or maybe it's neither of these and instead is just magic? Anyway I don't regret highlighting the issue.

Dravokivich

It'll all depend on what you regard as a health issue because it covers a hell of a lot of bases.

I don't suffer from "sickness / flus / colds" too much and when I do, I just rest for a day or two.

But if something happened to me that I have no understanding of (which to be honest is a lot), I'm not going to "pretend" it away, I'll get it checked out.

Bottle_of_Smoke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug9oc-mg4e0

Snowie

CDfm wrote: »

I am totally shocked :eek:

Hiya snowey -its been an age BTW whats BI-winning

it means i have two goddess and now follow the law of charlie sheen take lots of drugs have a good time and well give reporters and what nots grief ...


I think man flu is true and them, fem nazis who say other wie are sick demented perverts who just want all the "peroid" pain... its bad i mean women want there men rough and ready and sensititive to there needs yet when we have man flu they tell us to book up...

disgrace comeplete sexisim I'm sick of being appressed bye the fairer sex because they dont beilive in it :rolleyes:

Ye well when i own my company i dont belive in peroid pain

So heres my idea peroid pain doesnt exist till women take man flu serious...

whos with me to fight the injustice of males all over there world...

/rant over

LeeHoffmann

It's a commonly-held belief that men don't look after their health properly. The Blue September campaign is a great way of countering this issue. Leinster Rugby are supporting it this year too, which will help raise publicity.
http://www.blueseptember.ie/
http://www.facebook.com/leinsterrugby?sk=wall&filter=2
Pitting men against women is not a good way of countering this issue as once again it's divisive and adversarial and unnecessary. It's a commonly-held belief that men can handle pain better than women as women have more pain receptors; it's a common enough joke that men become drama-kings when they get a cold.

The Baltimore Sun

amacachi wrote: »

More than one woman has said to me about testicular cancer "Ah sure ya just get them removed early and they always survive." Of course saying the same about breast cancer wouldn't be seen as the same.
Also had it said that the fact that someone got a ball removed early as a "precaution" wasn't a big deal, if it was a woman and a breast I wouldn't like to imagine how many womens' mags it'd be plastered all over.

You're not comparing like with like!
Certainly both are potentially serious conditions, however;
A removed ball is usually replaced with an artificial one....and nobody will ever know the difference:)
Revoving a brest (or part of), is removing part of a womans femininity. Furthermore, it comes with the cosmetic impact, which as we know women are more concious of than men.
Personally, like the man-flu jokes this thread is a farce.
You just need to man-up!

iptba

The Baltimore Sun wrote: »

You just need to man-up!

Interesting phrase
I think it's that sort of language/theme that can put men off concentrating so much on their health (although I think you weren't using it in the context of health) - they don't want to be seen as a wimp/similar and be concerned about nothing; when one probably needs sometimes to be concerned about what turns out to not be much to also then act on health issues which do turn out to be something.

The Baltimore Sun

iptba wrote: »

Interesting phrase
I think it's that sort of language/theme that can put men off concentrating so much on their health (although I think you weren't using it in the context of health) - they don't want to be seen as a wimp/similar and be concerned about nothing; when one probably needs sometimes to be concerned about what turns out to not be much to also then act on health issues which do turn out to be something.

It is an interesting phrase.

If I get man-flu....I take some meds and ride it out.
If I find a suspect lump on my testicle....i'd run to the doc asap- simples.

Let's not over complicate the matter. The post i commented on is a clear reflection of the PC mad world we live in.
Men not taking their health seriously cannot be attributed to a few tongue in cheek remarks about man-flu.

iptba

The Baltimore Sun wrote: »

Men not taking their health seriously cannot be attributed to a few tongue in cheek remarks about man-flu.

And you know exactly what the reasons are? I posit that society's attitudes could have an influence. Indeed, the logo for Men's Health week this year was "It's no joke, let's talk".

The Baltimore Sun

iptba wrote: »

And you know exactly what the reasons are? I posit that society's attitudes could have an influence. Indeed, the logo for Men's Health week this year was "It's no joke, let's talk".

Well observed.
However, I feel this statement refers to more serious health matters....not a case of bloody man-flu.
It is this attitude that has resulted in our doctor surgeries being filled with hypochondriacs. We can't patronise society to this degree. People know when they are genuinely ill (as opposed to man-flu). I believe the reason they dont seak help for serious illness' is out of fear, denial or simply not noticing anything wrong.

iptba

The Baltimore Sun wrote: »

I believe the reason they dont seak help for serious illness' is out of fear, denial or simply not noticing anything wrong.

Interesting. So to paraphrase that men would fear, be in denial over or not notice health problems more than women.

The Baltimore Sun

iptba wrote: »

Interesting. So to paraphrase that men would fear, be in denial over or not notice health problems more than women.

...Or to paraphrase your good self "I just got the following from a joke list I'm on"

Im not denying that men tend to neglect health matters, nor am I denying that they neglect health matters any more or less than women.
What I am saying is that this whole thread is barking up the wrong tree.
Maybe your just a little delicate.:o

iptba

The Baltimore Sun wrote: »

Im not denying that men tend to neglect health matters, nor am I denying that they neglect health matters any more or less than women.
What I am saying is that this whole thread is barking up the wrong tree.
Maybe your just a little delicate.:o

I think the aggression you are showing suggests that maybe you are a little delicate.

I simply re-worte what you said pointing out that what you said meant there would be a difference between men and women on the factors you mention

I believe the reason they dont seak help for serious illness' is out of fear, denial or simply not noticing anything wrong.

To me, that is interesting - e.g. that men would fear serious illness more than women.

So all I did was re-state what you said - your beliefs/theories - but you have a lash at me.

If you are not even going to stand behind your own points on issues, I don't know why you take part in such discussions.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Just to give an example of men neglecting their health I had a grandfather who was diagnosed with cancer 10 days before he died from the disease. Doctors said he would have been suffering greatly for the best part of a year beforehand , but the old bugger refused to admit he'd anything more than a headcold and was vehemently opposed to any medical treatment.

I think traditionally the Irish male had a very relaxed approach to their health but this attitude is changing, I know myself I like to get checked out if I feel something isn't right with me.

The Baltimore Sun

iptba wrote: »

I think the aggression you are showing suggests that maybe you are a little delicate.

I simply re-worte what you said pointing out that what you said meant there would be a difference between men and women on the factors you mention
To me, that is interesting - e.g. that men would fear serious illness more than women.

So all I did was re-state what you said - your beliefs - but you have a lash at me.

If you are not even going to stand behind what you said in your very last message, I don't know why you take part in such discussions.

Touché.....I really am delicate and I appologise for "lashing" you my little flower.
Anyhow, it is aknowledged that men tend to neglect their health more than women. This I cannot deny. However this thread suggests that the whole "man-flu" thing might be the root cause of this phenomenon, and I argue that this is very very very pedantic.

Good day to you x

iptba

The Baltimore Sun wrote: »

Anyhow, it is aknowledged that men tend to neglect their health more than women. This I cannot deny. However this thread suggests that the whole "man-flu" thing might be the root cause of this phenomenon, and I argue that this is very very very pedantic.

I may not have made my point that clearly in the first post.
But I think it is interesting to explore why men might neglect their health.

To me, it seems perfectly plausible that it could be related to attitudes to men talking about and taking an interest in their health problems - the man 'flu piece is just an example of the theme.
I think it might be relevant because men for whatever reason (socialisation and/or something inbuilt) don't want to be seen as a wimp so (many) men may be particular stunk by such an accusation or possible accusation.

But perhaps as you say it's to do with other issues:

I believe the reason they dont seak help for serious illness' is out of fear, denial or simply not noticing anything wrong.

Which would bring up:
- Why would men fear health problems more than women?
- Why would men be in denial over health problems more than women?
- Why would men simply not notice anything wrong more than women?

and the corollary:
- what could be done to change this.

Anyway, I'm not expecting a reply from you, just giving some of my reasoning. I imagine not everyone is interested in the issue and so might not think about such things.

The Baltimore Sun

iptba wrote: »

I may not have made my point that clear in the first post.
But I think it is interesting to explore why men might neglect their health.

To me, it seems perfectly plausible that it could be related to attitudes to men talking about and taking an interest in their health problems - the man 'flu piece is just an example of the theme.
I think it might be relevant because men for whatever reason (socialisation and/or something inbuilt) don't want to be seen as a wimp so (many) men may be particular stunk by such an accusation or possible accusation.

But perhaps as you say it's to do with other issues:


Anyway, I'm not expecting a reply from you, just giving some of my reasoning.

Not only did you not make yourself clear.....you actually changed the theme of the whole thread.:eek:

iptba

The Baltimore Sun wrote: »

Not only did you not make yourself clear.....you actually changed the theme of the whole thread.:eek:

Still at the lashing I see.