Fields up the back of Hillview & Horses

dlofnep

Could someone tell me who officially owns all the fields up the back of Hillview? It seems the local travellers have pretty much taken over the field, boarding them all up and filling every field with horses. I can't even bring the dog for a run through the field anyone, as the horses are aggressive and have chased us two or three times in the past week.

I don't mind them using up one of the fields for their horses, but they've taken over all 4 fields now. I know alot of people used to take their dog for a free run around the field, but we can't do that now.

seanybiker

They where giving one of the fields to use I think. Give an inch take a mile. Fookers.

dlofnep

Yeah, that's what I assumed. But they've taken over every single field. My dog hates walking on the path, and if I have him on the lead, he tries to run so fast he ends up choking himself. So it's best to just give him a run up the fields. Can't do that now without being chased down the field by an angry piebald

I've a right mind to kick down all the barriers.

blobbyblob

In fairness, there's a fair few fields to chose from around Gracedieu without bothering any horses. Show your dog some new horizons. I'm sure he'd be delighted.

deisedevil

dlofnep wrote: »

Yeah, that's what I assumed. But they've taken over every single field. My dog hates walking on the path, and if I have him on the lead, he tries to run so fast he ends up choking himself. So it's best to just give him a run up the fields. Can't do that now without being chased down the field by an angry piebald

I've a right mind to kick down all the barriers.

Your not the first person I have heard giving out about this (Bhfeidhir go bhfuil tú an duine chéanna?) and your dead right, sounds to me like they are pushing it alright. One thing is for certain, they will be left to it and no one else's rights matter in their eyes though they will bang on about their own rights at the drop of a hat.

deisedevil

blobbyblob wrote: »

In fairness, there's a fair few fields to chose from around Gracedieu without bothering any horses. Show your dog some new horizons. I'm sure he'd be delighted.

That's not really the point though is it. Why should he have to go and break his usual routine which suits him because of the usual flouting of the laws by certain people.

dlofnep

blobbyblob wrote: »

In fairness, there's a fair few fields to chose from around Gracedieu without bothering any horses. Show your dog some new horizons. I'm sure he'd be delighted.

The fields are right behind my house. I have to walk through them to bring the dog for a walk. Why should I have to accommodate them and walk off to some other fields that aren't behind me? I've lived here for 28 years. I'm not the only person who's been affected by this. Lot's of people in Hillview and the surrounding area let their dogs go for a run up there.

Like I said, I've no problem with them using one of the fields for the horses - but they've taken over all 4 of them. It's dangerous to have the horses there, as one or two of them are very aggressive.

seanybiker

dlofnep wrote: »

The fields are right behind my house. I have to walk through them to bring the dog for a walk. Why should I have to accommodate them and walk off to some other fields that aren't behind me? I've lived here for 28 years. I'm not the only person who's been affected by this.

Like I said, I've no problem with them using one of the fields for the horses - but they've taken over all 4 of them.

it was bad enough when they put a bleeding road in the fields. Now the horses robbing what's left of the fields. Boourns

dlofnep

seanybiker wrote: »

it was bad enough when they put a bleeding road in the fields. Now the horses robbing what's left of the fields. Boourns

Yeah - I have to listen to fellas wheeling spinning on bikes and in cars up that road every night. Now I can't even walk out the back without being chased by a horse. It's not on in fairness - All I want to do is to let the dog go for a run. He's a very energic fella as you know - so he has to be run alot to tire him out. Otherwise, he's hyper as anything.

blobbyblob

deisedevil wrote: »

That's not really the point though is it. Why should he have to go and break his usual routine which suits him because of the usual flouting of the laws by certain people.

The horses owners are kinda being forced to break their usual routine, are they not. Otherwise they would have moved on and the field would be empty and everyone's happy.

deisedevil

blobbyblob wrote: »

The horses owners are kinda being forced to break their usual routine, are they not. Otherwise they would have moved on and the field would be empty and everyone's happy.

No they are not. This wasn't their usual routine, they didn't always have the horses in every field and they are not entitled to either.

dlofnep

blobbyblob wrote: »

The horses owners are kinda being forced to break their usual routine, are they not. Otherwise they would have moved on and the field would be empty and everyone's happy.

You're missing the point. They were given a field for their horses. They've now taken over the entire 4 fields behind me, and have more on some more fields further up the road.

I cannot bring my dog for a run up the fields anymore without being attacked by a horse. They've actually barricaded the entrances from one field to the next to the point where you couldn't walk your dog, even if there was no horses.

They don't own the fields, and as such - someone who has lived in this area for almost 30 years has a right to be annoyed that they cannot run their dog up the fields.

blobbyblob

I'm not missing any point, thanks

You don't own the land, they don't own the land (or do they).

I feel for your dog!

dlofnep

blobbyblob wrote: »

You don't own the land, they don't own the land (or do they).

I never made the claim that I own the land. And no, they don't own it either - which is why it's only fair for them to not take over all of the fields, at the expense of people who have lived in the area for almost 30 years who just want to bring their dog for a walk.

dlofnep

deisedevil wrote: »

No they are not. This wasn't their usual routine, they didn't always have the horses in every field and they are not entitled to either.

Spot on.

deisedevil

blobbyblob wrote: »

I'm not missing any point, thanks

You don't own the land, they don't own the land (or do they).

I feel for your dog!

You are most certainly missing the point. I feel for you.

blobbyblob

dlofnep wrote: »

I never made the claim that I own the land. And no, they don't own it either - which is why it's only fair for them to not take over all of the fields, at the expense of people who have lived in the area for almost 30 years who just want to bring their dog for a walk.

Never said you did make the claim and I don't dispute that its a pain in the hole having an angry nag at the back of your house. Just saying there's other fields for the pooch.

blobbyblob

deisedevil wrote: »

You are most certainly missing the point. I feel for you.

Ohhhhh no I'm not but thank you!

dlofnep

blobbyblob wrote: »

Never said you did make the claim and I don't dispute that its a pain in the hole having an angry nag at the back of your house. Just saying there's other fields for the pooch.

There isn't other fields. My back garden is directly next to the 4 fields in question. I have to walk through them, to even get onto the back road.

And I am not interested in accommodating someone who has taken over 4 fields when they were given 1 for their horses. So you're completely missing the point.

gscully

blobbyblob wrote: »

Never said you did make the claim and I don't dispute that its a pain in the hole having an angry nag at the back of your house. Just saying there's other fields for the pooch.

There's other fields for the effing horses too. Quit trolling. You haven't added anything to the OP's thread except to try and agitate him further.

Take that crap off to another field.

blobbyblob

gscully wrote: »

There's other fields for the effing horses too. Quit trolling. You haven't added anything to the OP's thread except to try and agitate him further.

Take that crap off to another field.

Is this a discussion board or a counselling service?

Most certainly am not trolling. What's the point in having a differing opinion if its considered trolling. Add something to it yourself if you have an opinion by all means but don't have a pop at me because I'm not rubbing his belly or patting his head.

I see where he's coming from and as I said I wouldn't like a hoard of horses outside my house either.

deisedevil

blobbyblob wrote: »

Is this a discussion board or a counselling service?

Most certainly am not trolling. What's the point in having a differing opinion if its considered trolling. Add something to it yourself if you have an opinion by all means but don't have a pop at me because I'm not rubbing his belly or patting his head.

I see where he's coming from and as I said I wouldn't like a hoard of horses outside my house either.

Yet again, you aren't getting this. He's not complaining about a hoard of horses outside his house!

He was always able to go through the fields at the back of his house with his dog, as were everyone else. Now no one can because there has been horses put into the fields and the ways into them have been boarded up, illegally.

You seemed to have decided though that he should bring his dog to other fields and that you feel pity for the dog because he doesn't. He brings his dogs for walks and lets him off for a run, that's a lucky dog with a good owner. But that has nothing to do with the point he is making anyway.

Do you know the area he's talking about and what is happening there at all or did you imagine you understood what he's talking about and start putting him down because of the incorrect assumption you made in your own mind?

You can't blame people for thinking your trolling when your making a right mess off understanding it.

dlofnep

Exactly deisedevil.

BlaasForRafa

dlofnep wrote: »

the horses are aggressive and have chased us two or three times in the past week.

Lol.

perhaps the horses were trained by Peter Robinson or Big Ian.

deisedevil

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Lol.

perhaps the horses were trained by Peter Robinson or Big Ian.

LOL! Instead of shaking their heads and letting out a Neigh they'd say Nooooo!



Edit: Oh god that was crap.

wmpdd3

Could you go up at the same time as maybe 20 other big dog owners? Stay for about 1 hr?

If they were 'given' a field, it must have been the council that gave them the field. Do the council own the other fields either side too then? If so, get onto a councilor.

If you could get a few pics of the horses in each other field as well as the one they have, it would be better. Surly the council would be liable if you were injured in the other 3 fields as they didn't make them safe (free from horses).

deisedevil

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Could you go up at the same time as maybe 20 other big dog owners? Stay for about 1 hr?

If they were 'given' a field, it must have been the council that gave them the field. Do the council own the other fields either side too then? If so, get onto a councilor.

If you could get a few pics of the horses in each other field as well as the one they have, it would be better. Surly the council would be liable if you were injured in the other 3 fields as they didn't make them safe (free from horses).

Ah shur there's some people that the laws and demands of councilors don't apply to. Everything falls on deaf ears with them. Worth a try but chances are won't make a blind bit of difference.

Rainbow_brite

A couple of years ago I used to walk my dog up those fields and since the whole Grace Dieu area has been built up with housing estates and the new road there isn't as many fields as there used to be.

Do young kids still play up around the fields because I used to go up there a lot when I was in Primary school? If the horses are aggressive and charging around the place kids could get hurt.

dlofnep

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Lol.

perhaps the horses were trained by Peter Robinson or Big Ian.

Paisley & Robinson are like angels compared to these horses. One tried to headbutt me, the other chased my wee dog around the field for 10 minutes.

dlofnep

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Could you go up at the same time as maybe 20 other big dog owners? Stay for about 1 hr?

If they were 'given' a field, it must have been the council that gave them the field. Do the council own the other fields either side too then? If so, get onto a councilor.

If you could get a few pics of the horses in each other field as well as the one they have, it would be better. Surly the council would be liable if you were injured in the other 3 fields as they didn't make them safe (free from horses).

I'm gunna get onto a councillor and see what the crack is. I think that will be best.

dayshah

dlofnep wrote: »

Paisley & Robinson are like angels compared to these horses. One tried to headbutt me, the other chased my wee dog around the field for 10 minutes.

Well you did say you wanted to tire out the dog

But seriously, it is bad form. They could have stuck with using just the one field.

Just curious, what sort of dog is it?

dlofnep

dlofnep

That's the wee bugger. He likes sandwiches. Isn't very keen on Piebald Ponies though!

Dan133269

He's a lovely dog. I know what you mean OP. I used to walk my dog past the halting site and fields, last time was about 6 months ago, the dog got a bit scared with the horses being so close and walking towards us, she was trying to hurry past. Even back then what was worrying was the horses right next to the halting site were unrestrained and no barrier between them and footpath.

I knew a fella in Limerick was driving along next to an area where there fields of horses not restrained very well, in the city I should add, and a horse jumped the tiny fence and went running on the main road, jumped up onto the person's car. Person was unhurt but could easily have suffered serious injuries in that situation. Strong possibility similar thing could happen with the horses up in Gracedieu.

dlofnep

My sister is afraid of them too, because she walks through the field from my house to her's in Gracedieu. Horses have gone for her a few times now. It's very unsafe. I can usually jump the fence from them, but my dog is usually too scared too and keeps running around the field. He's so small, a kick from the horse could kill him.

BlaasForRafa

dlofnep wrote: »

Paisley & Robinson are like angels compared to these horses. One tried to headbutt me, the other chased my wee dog around the field for 10 minutes.

Headbutt? they must be from glasgow then...Rangers fans most likely

dlofnep

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Headbutt? they must be from glasgow then...Rangers fans most likely

The shame of Waterford boyo!

seanybiker

Next time he tries to headbutt you just catch him in an arm/hoof bar and make him tap out. The rest of them be to scared of you then.

wellbutty

We have a law that ignores these people and these people ignore the law.

seanybiker

dlofnep wrote: »

Head on him. Bit bigger since last time I saw him.

dlofnep

He's still only a wee pup. Hasn't grown much more than that.

Marchandire

Might not be related, but until recently the travelers had practically every building in the old foundry at Bilberry given over to stabling horses (including the office space and all the prefabs). Apparently, judging by the amount of horse manure and the size of the toadstools growing on it, they were there a good while too.

The demolition might explain why they're at Hillview in force now. I assume they knew a few weeks ago about the demo and made alternate arrangements. Tbh, when I first saw the work crews at Bilberry I assumed they were demolishing the prefabs to deny them the use of the place.

wfman

Go out around kilbarry and see the amount of land thats taken over by Horses.
Id like to see a local law that if you keep Horses within the city boundaries that you must have stables built including planning permission for these stables.Not a sheet of plastic to shelter the Horses from the weather.
Would also like to see a permit needed for the use of Horse and carts around the city.To obtain the permit you must be of a certain age and complete some written exam of rules of the road.

Hoffmans

Ah yea leave em have nags littered in all the green areas up the road, until they come out on it and kill a motorist or cyclist. Only recently one nearly killed a woman on the orr wrote off her van and was found dying up in a field. Up back hillview, the scum arrivided in a hiace and took the pieball b4 the cops arrived, leavin the woman in her sixties bleedin by her van......

STIG83

Another reason i have to dislike travellers, they think they can do what they want. Fcukers.

BlaasForRafa

wfman wrote: »

Go out around kilbarry and see the amount of land thats taken over by Horses.
Id like to see a local law that if you keep Horses within the city boundaries that you must have stables built including planning permission for these stables.Not a sheet of plastic to shelter the Horses from the weather.
Would also like to see a permit needed for the use of Horse and carts around the city.To obtain the permit you must be of a certain age and complete some written exam of rules of the road.

those pony & traps are a hazard to road traffic, I've seen them going up and down the cork road with huge tailbacks behind them. If someone were to smash into one of them there would be carnage.

Sully

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dlofnep

Not once did I insult the travelling community in this thread. Your infraction has been reported to the feedback section of this site. I would advise you that you visit the said thread and explain your actions.

Sully

dlofnep wrote: »

Not once did I insult the travelling community in this thread. Your infraction has been reported to the feedback section of this site. I would advise you that you visit the said thread and explain your actions.

I responded to your PM. If you wish to raise the above with me via that, I am all eyes.

chelloveks

STIG83 wrote: »

Another reason i have to dislike travellers, they think they can do what they want. Fcukers.

They CAN do what the fck they want and DO!

Pac413

I live in the area, and also find it annoying that I can never walk through the fields anymore because of the horses. I miss the way the area was before the road was built.

Sully wrote: »

Please, quit using derogatory terms towards members of the travelling community.

I think you need to research the meaning of "piebald" -- you'll find that it's the official term for the horses in question. Source