ireland u18 schools v scotland saturday

ormond lad

Ireland U-18 Schools Squad


31 March 2011, 11:05 am
By Barry Cunningham



The Ireland U-18 Schools, sponsored by PwC, have named a 24 man squad ahead of their crucial game against Scotland U-18 Schools in Glasgow on Sunday.


The match is a qualifying game for the FIRA U18 championship which takes place in the Armagnac-Bigorre region of France between 15 and 24 April 2011. The Ireland U-18 Schools were defeated by England Schools in the first qualifying game back in December so this game is important in deciding which section of the FIRA tournament Ireland qualify for.
Scotland caused an upset last weekend when they beat England so the Ireland side now need a bonus point win and to deny Scotland a bonus to ensure qualification for the Elite section.
Ireland U-18 School Squad (v Scotland Schools, FIRA Qualifying, Braidholm RFC, Glasgow, Sunday April 3rd, kick off 12 noon)
Ben Alexander - Royal Belfast Academical Institution
Mark Best - Campbell College
Bryan Byrne - Clongowes Wod College
Edward Byrne - Clongowes Wood College
Christopher Farrell - Campbell College
Thomas Ferrari - Sligo Grammar School
Jack Fitzpatrick - Gonzaga College
Gordon Frayne - Clongowes Wood College
Rob Henshaw - Marist College Athlone
Donagh Lawler - St. Michael's College
Dan Leavy - St. Michael's College
Conor McEllin - Blackrock College
Luke McGrath - St. Michael's College
Andrew Murphy - St. Michael's College
Ryan Murphy - Presentation Brothers Cork
Cian O'Halloran - Christian Brothers Cork
Stuart Olding - Belfast Royal Academy
Jack O'Neill - Castleknock College
Luke Satchwell - The King's Hospital
Rory Scannell - Presentation Brothers Cork
Rory Scholes - Campbell College
Jerry Sexton - St. Mary's College
David Shanahan - Belvedere College
Christopher Taylor - Wallace High School
Ireland U-18 Schools Management
Terry McMaster - Coach
Kenny Hooks - Assistant Coach
Paul Barr - Assistant Coach
Lorcan Balfe - Team Manager
Chris Shields - Strength & Conditioning Coach
Ozzie Fogarty - Team Doctor
David Lyons - Team Physio
Vinnie Hammond - Team Analyst
Jessica O'Brien - Team Co-ordinator
only 3 munster players, the system down here has to change


To read more:http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/22788.php

jolley123

Surprised that a few names are missing. Mind you, it might be because they're over 18. Can anyone enlighten me as to why the likes of Gilsenan and Coghlan are missing?

Jedwardian

Conor Gilsenan is overage. I assume Jordan Coghlan is too.

profitius

3 Munster players again.

TheRevolution

Luke McGrath, keep an eye on him.

Jerry Sexton is a younger brother of Jonny.

Fight_Night

TheRevolution wrote: »

Luke McGrath, keep an eye on him.

+1 future leinster scrum half

GerM

TheRevolution wrote: »

Luke McGrath, keep an eye on him.

Have heard a fair bit of hype around this lad but never seen him play. Care to fill me in? He's a scrum half, correct?

TheRevolution

Correct.

I saw him play for the Ireland U18s, I think he was 15 at the time and he scored a hat trick of tries if I remember correctly and this was whilst playing at scrum half!

Amazotheamazing

TheRevolution wrote: »

Correct.

I saw him play for the Ireland U18s, I think he was 15 at the time and he scored a hat trick of tries if I remember correctly and this was whilst playing at scrum half!

But can he pass?

TheRevolution

Absolutely. Great pass, extremely quick around the fringes frankly he was brilliant.

Amazotheamazing

TheRevolution wrote: »

Absolutely. Great pass, extremely quick around the fringes frankly he was brilliant.

We'll see, I remember seeing Brian O'Riordan play u21 and he was incredible. Very hard to step up. Hope he makes it, we could do with a real scrum half for a change.

profitius

Team announced. Any thoughts? Munster have more starters than Ulster!

Sextons brother is starting at lock. I might be wrong but whats the betting he wouldn't be there if he was no relation to Johnny.

Ireland U18 Schools Team v Scotland
1 April 2011, 4:02 pmBy The Editor
The Ireland Under-18 Schools team, sponsored by PwC, has been announced ahead of their crucial game against Scotland Under-18s in Glasgow on Sunday.
The match is a qualifying game for the FIRA/AER U-18 European Championship, which takes place in the Armagnac-Bigorre region of France between 15 and 24 April 2011.
Cork players Rory Scannell, Ryan Murphy and Cian O'Halloran are all named in the starting XV. Both Scannell and Murphy recently represented their school's side PBC in the Avonmore Milk Schools Senior Cup Final.

The Ireland Under-18 Schools were defeated by England Schools in the first qualifying fixture back in December, so this game is important in deciding which section of the FIRA-AER tournament they qualify for.

Scotland beat England 26-21 in Leeds last weekend, so the Ireland side now need a bonus point win and to deny Scotland a bonus point to ensure qualification for the elite section.

Coach Terry McMaster knows that his team will have to put in a top performance to overcome a Scotland team that will be brimming with confidence after their win over England: “Scotland showed they are a team with plenty of talent by overcoming England on home soil, so it puts it into perspective as our lads need to deliver a performance against the Scots that is of the highest order. To put one over a strong England team in those circumstances demands respect.”

“In saying that, I think there is plenty of talent in our own side and while this is a new team coming up against a Scotland side that already has a game under their belt, our team has plenty of knowledge of each other in specific units, through playing together as part of their own schools teams, to knit quickly enough. The key is to deliver accuracy on their individual areas and the collective will look after itself.”

Ireland U18 Schools take on Scotland U18s in the FIRA-AER Championship Qualifier at Braidholm RFC, Glasgow on Sunday April 3rd, ko12pm.

Ireland U18 Schools Team:
15 - Jack Fitzpatrick (Gonzaga College)
14 - Conor McEllin (Blackrock College)
13 - Robert Henshaw (Marist Athlone)
12 - Chris Farrell (Campbell College)
11 - Cian O’Halloran (CBC Cork)
10 - Rory Scannell (PBC Cork)
9 - Luke McGrath (St Michael’s College) Captain
1 - Gordon Frayne (Clongowes Wood College)
2 - Bryan Byrne (Clongowes Wood College)
3 - Edward Byrne (Clongowes Wood College)
4 - Jerry Sexton (St. Mary’s College)
5 - Donogh Lawler (St. Michael’s College)
6 - Mark Best (Campbell College)
7 - Dan Leavy (St. Michael’s College)
8 - Ryan Murphy (PBC Cork)

Replacements:
16 - Andrew Murphy (St. Michael’s College)
17 - Thomas Ferrari (Sligo Grammar School)
18 - Chris Taylor (Wallace High School)
19 - Luke Satchwell (The King’s Hospital)
20 - Ben Alexander (RBAI)
21 - David Shanahan (Belvedere College)
22 - Stuart Olding (Belfast Royal Academy)
23 - Rory Scholes (Campbell College)

Ireland U-18 Schools Management Team:
Terry McMaster - Coach
Kenny Hooks - Assistant Coach
Paul Barr - Assistant Coach
Lorcan Balfe - Team Manager
Chris Shields - Strength & Conditioning Coach
Ozzie Fogarty - Team Doctor
David Lyons - Team Physio
Vinnie Hammond - Team Analyst
Jessica O'Brien - Team Co-ordinator

ormond lad

profitius wrote: »

Team announced. Any thoughts? Munster have more starters than Ulster!

Sextons brother is starting at lock. I might be wrong but whats the betting he wouldn't be there if he was no relation to Johnny.

have you seen him play to make an assumption like that because from what ive seen and heard hes a very good player
there is always politics involved in picking underage rep squads but i doubt it in this case as i doubt the leinster academy which is in top 4 or 5 in europe would look at picking a player because his older brother is involved in the club

profitius

ormond lad wrote: »

have you seen him play to make an assumption like that because from what ive seen and heard hes a very good player
there is always politics involved in picking underage rep squads but i doubt it in this case as i doubt the leinster academy which is in top 4 or 5 in europe would look at picking a player because his older brother is involved in the club

We'll wait and see how good he turns out he is.

I never said it was a politican selection. It could be that but more likely in this case is he has a famous name so out of dozens of similar standard players he'll be the one the selectors remember.

No matter how professional the Leinster academy is its not immune to the workings of the human mind.

thebaz

be interesting to see how clongowes front row get on internationally - they have already destroyed everything in leinster schools - i saw luke mcgrath , play against clongowes , and was disappointed , admittedly he was playing behind a beaten pack ...

TheRevolution

profitius wrote: »

We'll wait and see how good he turns out he is.

I never said it was a politican selection. It could be that but more likely in this case is he has a famous name so out of dozens of similar standard players he'll be the one the selectors remember.

No matter how professional the Leinster academy is its not immune to the workings of the human mind.

He was the star player for the St.Marys team from what I've heard. That is pretty offensive to say he is only there on name especially when its utterly groundless. Classy to discredit the kid's accomplishment like that.

[Jackass]

Amazed the Clongowes out-half isn't starting, he was sensational in the cup run.

Clongowes back-row was superb also, but none seem to have made it.

In fact, for a Leinster senior cup winning team, Clongowes don't even feature beyond the front row...odd...

(no bias by the way, not a Clongowes man, just surprised.)

RuggieBear

they are probably over age. not 100% on the age cutoffs anymore. seems to have changed since i was playing SCT.

thebaz

RuggieBear wrote: »

they are probably over age. not 100% on the age cutoffs anymore. seems to have changed since i was playing SCT.

they now have under 18 and under 19 schools internationals and interpros - not sure are the under 18s, for 5th years ?

profitius

TheRevolution wrote: »

He was the star player for the St.Marys team from what I've heard. That is pretty offensive to say he is only there on name especially when its utterly groundless. Classy to discredit the kid's accomplishment like that.

I didn't say that. Go back and read what I said.

Amazotheamazing

[Jackass] wrote: »

Amazed the Clongowes out-half isn't starting, he was sensational in the cup run.

Clongowes back-row was superb also, but none seem to have made it.

In fact, for a Leinster senior cup winning team, Clongowes don't even feature beyond the front row...odd...

(no bias by the way, not a Clongowes man, just surprised.)

Any word on if Quirke and Coghlan are going back to Munster?

GerM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Any word on if Quirke and Coghlan are going back to Munster?

Not sure about Quirke but I have been told that Leinster have approached Coughlan.

danthefan

profitius wrote: »

We'll wait and see how good he turns out he is.

I never said it was a politican selection. It could be that but more likely in this case is he has a famous name so out of dozens of similar standard players he'll be the one the selectors remember.

No matter how professional the Leinster academy is its not immune to the workings of the human mind.

Wtf are you on about? I'm betting you've never seen the guy play in your life and have no idea if he deserves to be selected or not.

RuggieBear

indeed. that's enough about sexton.

profitius

danthefan wrote: »

Wtf are you on about? I'm betting you've never seen the guy play in your life and have no idea if he deserves to be selected or not.

:rolleyes:

profitius

GerM wrote: »

Not sure about Quirke but I have been told that Leinster have approached Coughlan.

Munster should be approaching Leinster players if thats the case.

jolley123

profitius wrote: »

Munster should be approaching Leinster players if thats the case.

Not sure how to read that comment. I don't know how you could consider two players 'Munster property" if they played their rugby in the Leinster set-up.

Maybe you're right though, Munster should grab some 10yr old Leinster kids and put em in Rockwell.....

profitius

jolley123 wrote: »

Not sure how to read that comment. I don't know how you could consider two players 'Munster property" if they played their rugby in the Leinster set-up.

Maybe you're right though, Munster should grab some 10yr old Leinster kids and put em in Rockwell.....

How are they Leinster property so if they're from Cork?

GerM

profitius wrote: »

Munster should be approaching Leinster players if thats the case.

Not sure what you mean. I don't see how there's anything wrong with approaching a young, unattached player especially one that has been playing within the rugby system in Leinster . It would be remiss not to. Munster pinched Felix Jones from the Leinster academy. In their current academy they have have the English Corey Hircock and Sean Henry from Sligo who played his underage rugby with Connacht. Them's the breaks.

ormond lad

thebaz wrote: »

they now have under 18 and under 19 schools internationals and interpros - not sure are the under 18s, for 5th years ?

u18 interpros this season were players born after jan 1st 1993 and 19s jan 1st 1992

GerM

profitius wrote: »

How are they Leinster property so if they're from Cork?

They're neither. They don't belong to anyone. They're young lads who might be interested in a career in rugby and will look at their options. Munster don't own them nor do Leinster. They're fair game for anyone to speak to them though. If they don't want to sign for Leinster, they won't.

jolley123

profitius wrote: »

How are they Leinster property so if they're from Cork?

They're are Leinster RUGBY players because they came through the Leinster set-up. They're Munster boys because they were born in Munster.

It like Fiji claiming Rokocoko is a Fiji player, when he played all his rugby in NZ.

Anyway, I'm sure if the guys feel that they're Munster players then they'll go play there. But I wouldn't be surprised if they chose Leinster seeing as it's the set-up they played most of their rugby in.

TheRevolution

jolley123 wrote: »

They're are Leinster RUGBY players because they came through the Leinster set-up. They're Munster boys because they were born in Munster.

It like Fiji claiming Rokocoko is a Fiji player, when he played all his rugby in NZ.

Anyway, I'm sure if the guys feel that they're Munster players then they'll go play there. But I wouldn't be surprised if they chose Leinster seeing as it's the set-up they played most of their rugby in.

Better send Heaslip back to Israel and O'Gara back to America so.

profitius

jolley123 wrote: »

They're are Leinster RUGBY players because they came through the Leinster set-up. They're Munster boys because they were born in Munster.

It like Fiji claiming Rokocoko is a Fiji player, when he played all his rugby in NZ.

Anyway, I'm sure if the guys feel that they're Munster players then they'll go play there. But I wouldn't be surprised if they chose Leinster seeing as it's the set-up they played most of their rugby in.

I know what you mean but I disagree with that. Rokocoko is as much Fijian as NZ and NZ might have trained him but his family are Fijian.

If those players even played rugby or other sports in Munster it would have helped their skills.

Btw, I don't think Munster should go after Leinster players. I think they'd be better off concentrating on developing rugby in Munster and get up to Leinster level. Like Tipp have done to kilkenny in the hurling.

jolley123

profitius wrote: »

I know what you mean but I disagree with that. Rokocoko is as much Fijian as NZ and NZ might have trained him but his family are Fijian.

If those players even played rugby or other sports in Munster it would have helped their skills.

Btw, I don't think Munster should go after Leinster players. I think they'd be better off concentrating on developing rugby in Munster and get up to Leinster level. Like Tipp have done to kilkenny in the hurling.

I understand what point you're trying to make. It's just when you said "Munster should be approaching Leinster players", you implied that that's what Leinster were doing by approaching Coghlan. In reality, the equivalent of what Leinster have done, would be Munster approaching a guy playing in Rockwell who was born in Wicklow.

introu

The team is under 18s, mostly 5th years in school. The only 6th years on it are the young ones, that's why Quirke and Coughlin arent there. Most of the Clongowes team this year are in 6th year, thats why more arent featured. Coughlin has played cricket for Ireland and apperently has got a scholarship in an English college for cricket, heard that in school though was might not be true.

Dr.Evil

I think Gilsenan already went on to captain the Ireland under 19s before, him and Coughlan are both involved with that set up. Conan from Gerards, Corballis from Michaels, left wing Layden from Roscrea have all played under 19s also as far as I know.

jolley123

The Ireland Under-18 Schools team, sponsored by PwC, booked their place in the elite tier of the upcoming FIRA-AER European Championship with a well-merited win over Scotland in Glasgow.

Terry McMaster's side will compete in the semi-finals of the tournament in Tarbes later this month, as one of the top four teams in the Six Nations.
They qualified for the top group with an impressive 31-12 victory in Sunday's crucial qualifier at Braidholm RFC in Glasgow.

The Ireland youngsters lost 29-12 to England in their first qualifier in December, but had the measure of a Scottish side that beat England 26-21 in Leeds last weekend.

Ireland outscored their Scottish opponents by five tries to two and in doing so grabbed the all-important bonus point they needed, while denying the Scots any share of the spoils.

The visitors roared into a 12-0 lead with tries by centre Chris Farrell and out-half Rory Scannell and one conversion from scrum half and captain Luke McGrath.

Scotland replied with a converted try from number 8 Adam Ashe and on the stroke of half-time, it was the turn of Ireland number 8 Ryan Murphy to crash over for a seven-pointer.

Scotland, who were 19-7 behind at the interval, briefly threatened to hit back after scoring a try through hooker Russell Anderson.

But thereafter, it was Ireland who dominated as winger Conor McEllin ran in two late tries and McGrath added a further conversion for a winning margin of 19 points.

Commenting afterwards, McMaster said: "We can now go to France with confidence. Today we played some very good rugby, with good shape."

Spiderman68

Two of the most promising players to come out of Clongowes and Leinster Schools Rugby. Likely to feature in upcoming Ireland U19 match against France on Holy Thursday. Both are overage for Schools Team. Coghlan born Dublin therefore Leinster Rugby seems likely.

ormond lad

Spiderman68 wrote: »

Two of the most promising players to come out of Clongowes and Leinster Schools Rugby. Likely to feature in upcoming Ireland U19 match against France on Holy Thursday. Both are overage for Schools Team. Coghlan born Dublin therefore Leinster Rugby seems likely.

where is that u19 game on?

Spiderman68

Taking place in Besancon. Pretty obscure location unfortunately. Can fly into Geneva but costly. Going via Frankfurt but 4 hour drive. Easter hols so flights quite inflated.

Spiderman68

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Thurs 21 April Besancon.

18.00hrs Team ​Arrive at Stadium

19.00hrs ​France U19/U20 Development v Ireland U19/U20 Development

lee villan

Spiderman68 wrote: »

Two of the most promising players to come out of Clongowes and Leinster Schools Rugby. Likely to feature in upcoming Ireland U19 match against France on Holy Thursday. Both are overage for Schools Team. Coghlan born Dublin therefore Leinster Rugby seems likely.

Both players are prob the most talented young players ive seen in along time and would be a big addition to whatever team they decide to sign for the future is bright for Irish rugby. I say Coghlan for Munster his spiritual home.

jolley123

I thought I read on this forum somewhere that Coghlan was from Cork?

The Ireland Under-18 Schools squad, sponsored by PwC, to take part in this year's FIRA-AER Under-18 European Championship has been named.


Head coach Terry McMaster has selected a 26-strong squad for the tournament, which will be played in the Armagnac-Bigorre region of France between April 15 and 24. For the first time, all of the Six Nations countries are taking part, joining 22 other teams from across Europe in their annual Championship.
Ireland qualified for the elite pool of the tournament which also includes England, Wales and France.
The U-18 Schools squad will start the tournament with a semi-final against host team France in Auch this coming Sunday.
The winners of that game will progress to the final with the losers taking part in a 3rd/4th place play-off against the other losing semi-finalists.

IRELAND UNDER-18 SCHOOLS Squad (Justin Bridou FIRA-AER Under-18 European Championship, Armagnac/Bigorre, April 15-24):

Backs (12) -
Christopher Farrell (Campbell College)
Jack Fitzpatrick (Gonzaga College)
Seamus Glynn (Presentation Brothers, Cork)
Rob Henshaw (Marist College, Athlone)
Conor McEllin (Blackrock College)
Luke McGrath (St. Michael's College)
Cian O'Halloran (Christian Brothers, Cork)
Stuart Olding (Belfast Royal Academy)
Mark Roche (Blackrock College)
Rory Scannell (Presentation Brothers, Cork)
Rory Scholes (Campbell College)
David Shanahan (Belvedere College)

Forwards (14) -
Mark Best (Campbell College)
Bryan Byrne (Clongowes Wood College)
Edward Byrne (Clongowes Wood College)
Gordon Frayne (Clongowes Wood College)
Thomas Ferrari (Sligo Grammar School)
Donagh Lawler (St. Michael's College)
Dan Leavy (St. Michael's College)
Andrew Murphy (St. Michael's College)
Ryan Murphy (Presentation Brothers, Cork)
Jack O'Neill (Castleknock College)
Luke Satchwell (The King's Hospital)
Jerry Sexton (St. Mary's College)
Christopher Taylor (Wallace High School)
Gavin Thornbury (Blackrock College)

Spiderman68

Coghlan born Dublin but family now reside Cork. Ultimately Jordan must decide where his future is best served. Hope he makes the right choice for himself . Let's keep him in Ireland!

insidescoup

TheRevolution wrote: »

Correct.

I saw him play for the Ireland U18s, I think he was 15 at the time and he scored a hat trick of tries if I remember correctly and this was whilst playing at scrum half!

Absolute lies. never happend

insidescoup

Jedwardian wrote: »

Conor Gilsenan is overage. I assume Jordan Coghlan is too.

shut up..both fantastic rugby players. both must go pro..the only reason they arent in this squad is because they are both too old

Risteard

insidescoup wrote: »

shut up..both fantastic rugby players. both must go pro..the only reason they arent in this squad is because they are both too old

That's what he said.

insidescoup

profitius wrote: »

How are they Leinster property so if they're from Cork?

coughlans from dublin

Spiderman68

Lads and lassies. Jordan gets upset as most do when surname spelt incorrectly . It's Coghlan. Secondly he's Dublin born and bred so let's stop squabbling.. Let's just wish him and Conor luck in France this Thursday. Leinster Academy pushing hard for both. Are Munster looking too. They better get in line!

insidescoup

Spiderman68 wrote: »

Lads and lassies. Jordan gets upset as most do when surname spelt incorrectly . It's Coghlan. Secondly he's Dublin born and bred so let's stop squabbling.. Let's just wish him and Conor luck in France this Thursday. Leinster Academy pushing hard for both. Are Munster looking too. They better get in line!

Why are they in france ?