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Baby steps

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Fridays on the schedule are easy days. Left watch at home and eased around Shangannagh park on a warm evening for 40 minutes at a pace that was probably just below 5 min k pace. Followed by 10 x strides the length of the football pitch. I think I'm going to like Fridays on the schedule.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Fridays on the schedule are easy days. Left watch at home and eased around Shangannagh park on a warm evening for 40 minutes at a pace that was probably just below 5 min k pace. Followed by 10 x strides the length of the football pitch. I think I'm going to like Fridays on the schedule.

    Thought I seen someone with your gait - about 5:30 I was coming around the field with the dog pen - but never seen you again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    BeepBeep67 wrote: »
    Thought I seen someone with your gait - about 5:30 I was coming around the field with the dog pen - but never seen you again.

    You should have given a shout. Well, I'll probably be a familiar face there on Friday's, as its 40 mins easy til the DCM and the grass is perfect for it and the strides to finish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Avoided running today as I've a hill race tomorrow so wanted to save the legs some. Lovely morning, so headed out on the mountain bike on a decent hilly loop.

    40.85k, 504m climb, 21.7kph

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/97816806


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Where and what time is the race tomorrow - might bring the kids for a gawk if it works out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    BeepBeep67 wrote: »
    Where and what time is the race tomorrow - might bring the kids for a gawk if it works out.

    Might be a bit off the beaten track for you. Down Mount Leinster way, near Bunclody. details here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Might be a bit off the beaten track for you. Down Mount Leinster way, near Bunclody. details here

    It is a bit - another time - have fun


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Good conditions for this one. No windsheeter need be worn. You could see the TV antenna on the way down to Wexford and it remained visible from the start and throughout the race. Work was being done on the mast, so the turning point would vary from previous years. We'd approach the mast clockwise, which added c. 200m of distance from previous years distance.

    I did a 2k warm-up and felt sluggish. That sluggishness usually runs itself off at the start of races. It didn't. I felt sluggish for the first half of the climb and the little voices in my head were louder than usual, telling me I didn't feel well and 'sure drop out'. DNF I didn't and I slogged on. I found myself 3rd of a group of 3 with Damien Kelly and Dermot Murphy, both climbing well. The lead group had quickly gone out of sight - Tom Hogan, Martin Monaghan, Des Kennedy and others.

    My legs felt as though I'd a long run in my legs yesterday. Strangely I hadn't run yesterday, a cycle yes, but I should have felt fresher. Anyways, I managed to battle my way through and run every step. I got past Dermot and Damien before the last climb and variation to the turning point. The running conditions were perfect. Ground conditions were boggy in parts, but thats dry compared to previous years.

    On the way back down you can really let yourself go on this one. The grassy, peaty ground is in your favour this time. Its one of our great downhills. Alas, whilst I held position on the hill, I couldn't hold onto my pace once we hit the damned fireroad and I lost ground to Damien who was running well.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/98159737

    13.26k, 1:11:53, 601m climb. 10th place overall. I'm pretty consistent on this hill. My last 2 year's placings were 9th and 10th and my times were 1:10:43 and 1:11:23. This tells me that I'm pretty much back to where I was last year. I just need to keep battling the voices in my head :)

    Heres a comparison of the previous garmins for this race. Obviously while I felt sluggish I was still running okay. Pace comparable and all. Funny that.
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/comparison?activityId=98159737&activityId2=40531779&activityId3=19176106

    A good vibe as ever back in the pub in Ballindaggin afterwards. Dublin were lucky against Wexford.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Headed out with leaden legs, got them turning heading up the trails. Quads sore, but pain eased out as the descent started and got a few quickest k in on the way back for little or no effort. Lovely evening.

    9k, 232m climb, 4:57 pace

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/98490288


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Marathon training mode will see me doing reps Tues and Thurs. Headed out with still tired legs from the race on Sunday and the heat was unwelcome.
    Headed out the road a bit until I got to a flat bit to do 400s out and back. 60s recovery. That was the chance for the local flies to swarm around. Painful. The reps were very average indeed. I was really tired after 4 and it was a chore to finish it. Not sure if it was worth doing it, but having said that I felt better having done it. Best was 77s, worst 85 when I struggled to sustain the pace at all. Must get more consistent :o

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/98710843


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Not sure if it was worth doing it, but having said that I felt better having done it. Best was 77s, worst 85

    Not worth it, with that spread. Bring company next time, you're a great trainer, but need a kick in the ass for the faster intervals. Lets take back that Arklow track from the cider-drinkers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Pronator


    Trying to run 4's two days after a race is always going to be tough. Best advice I can give you is to reduce your racing and concentrate on your training, not what you want to hear but you will not get the benefit from your training if you try and combine both and injury could well come along:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Strictly speaking this wasn't true fartlek but it mixed things up a bit and I enjoyed it. Legs felt a lot better and I was looking forward to an easy paced run. Headed out on the road and up a slight hill before heading offroad on a rutted and overgrown farm lane. My pace suffered here, which was no harm and I had to fight away the swarms of flies - thats a problem with the warm weather particular in the countryside. Back onto a rural road with a bit of a decline so the pace increased but it still felt easy. Turned over a few near marathon paced k without noticing.
    10.54k, 135m climb, 4:46 pace
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/98922954


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Schedule called for 3 x 2k, but I struggle to find a 2k of flat road around me so I opted for 1600m instead. My mental arithmetic went a bit haywire though and instead of doing a convenient 4, I did 5.

    The road stretch I eked out was perfect for it. A few twists and turns but generally flat. My first rep was too conservative and after that they were reasonably okay. 1st time doing these reps so I'm learning all the time. Room for improvement. More speed will inch me away from the following swarms of flies.

    I was conscious too of the mountain half marathon I've on Sunday so at the back of my mind I was probably conscious of not going too all out.

    Soaked the legs in cold water when I got back to the house to quicken up the recovery. Light run tomorrow and rest on Saturday before the plod.

    13.47k, 1hr, 4:28 pace

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/99140292


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Schedule called for 3 x 2k, but I struggle to find a 2k of flat road around me so I opted for 1600m instead. My mental arithmetic went a bit haywire though and instead of doing a convenient 4, I did 5.

    The road stretch I eked out was perfect for it. A few twists and turns but generally flat. My first rep was too conservative and after that they were reasonably okay. 1st time doing these reps so I'm learning all the time. Room for improvement. More speed will inch me away from the following swarms of flies.

    I was conscious too of the mountain half marathon I've on Sunday so at the back of my mind I was probably conscious of not going too all out.

    Soaked the legs in cold water when I got back to the house to quicken up the recovery. Light run tomorrow and rest on Saturday before the plod.

    13.47k, 1hr, 4:28 pace

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/99140292

    Nice session - you should consider doing these in Shanganagh, the back 2 fields beside the track are 1k around the long way and 800mt using the new gap and just keeping to the outskirts - perfect for even timing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Some fast miles there Mick, nice one. What's your 10k pb, you'd be in good shape for one? Any road races on the horizon?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Some fast miles there Mick, nice one. What's your 10k pb, you'd be in good shape for one? Any road races on the horizon?

    Cheers. 37.24. Don't really have any races on the horizon after the Plod apart from the Galtees in a few weeks. I'm debating whether to do the trail races on the Weds soon or continue to concentrate on getting quality Tues and Thurs sessions in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    Marathon training mode will see me doing reps Tues and Thurs. Headed out with still tired legs from the race on Sunday and the heat was unwelcome.
    Headed out the road a bit until I got to a flat bit to do 400s out and back. 60s recovery. That was the chance for the local flies to swarm around. Painful. The reps were very average indeed. I was really tired after 4 and it was a chore to finish it. Not sure if it was worth doing it, but having said that I felt better having done it. Best was 77s, worst 85 when I struggled to sustain the pace at all. Must get more consistent :o

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/98710843

    Hi Slogger

    A bit of advice I got.

    For every 10 mins racing you need a days recovery.

    Ive been giving 3-4 days even after a 5k with great results.

    4-5 days at least after Mount Leinster.



    Re: 400s.

    The objective of the 400s is to improve running economy. You must run good form for each rep. Did the session you did bring you any closer to covering the marathin distance or other training speeds faster or using less energy? I dont think it did


    Sprinting them in 77 is only going to sharpen you for a non existant target in a months time.

    Id run them at current 5k race fitness and vary with surface/conditions. Stop for 1 min in between.

    Id start with 10 and add two every week.

    The first week should not be challenging. Think run tall, relax, glide for every rep. Dont sprint for the line: Run through it stopping the watch as you run through the line.

    Do them on tuesday. Youll be recovered and have improved form in your legs for the more race orientated reps on thursday.

    If you recover adequately after the harder intervals and run with good form without killing yourself for teh 400s youll be astounded at teh results of these small adaptions. Get the miles in allright, but go real easy if recovery is needed, or double up.

    I havent done many marathons but i know what those 400s are for and if youre not getting improvements in form out of them they areent worth it.

    Running them at 5k pace in a tall, relaxed manner will achieve that.

    My tuppee


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Thanks T. I'll try and digest that and see if I can make it work. Next Tues I'll run easy as it'll be only 2 days after plod.

    This evening I decamped to Shangannagh again and did a fairly handy 8k followed by strides. It was after rain and the park was near deserted. I was probably running faster than I should but it felt okay. I'll be resting tomorrow completely before the plod. Did 10 x 100m the length of a soccer pitch and back, with 30s of static intervals.

    10.19k, 4:46 pace
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/99336901


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Rested yesterday in prep for this.

    Not a great sleep last night and an early start beckoned to get me up to Marley park. Legs felt rested and did a very light warm up. The wind was up and it looked like rain so it could be interesting up on the hills. I didn't quite feel 100% though as my dinner from last night was still in my system.

    I wanted to use this race to compare where I am vs last year. My Mt Leinster result seems to show me I'm pretty much back to where I was. Lots of familiar faces from imra around the start. Had brief chats with many. Good to see KC lining up for a rare hill race.

    A straight off comparison with last year wasn't really on the cards however as we were talked through the route description. Coming back into Marley we would do a bit of a loop around the playing fields, similar to the way we run at the start. Last year we finished by running directly to the finish from the gate.

    I set off steady enough but quite a bit slower than last year. I plodded along buffeted by the wind and I looked forward to getting some cover in the trees in Massey's estate. Early on KC went past me running strong. I made no attempt to keep pace. Today was about running my own race.

    In Massey's it was muddy as hell but I made plodding progress and gained a few places from those ahead who chose to walk hillier, messier bits.

    On into Cruagh and I was overtaken by a runner who I'd taken over before. This was to be repeated over the coming ks as I'd overtake on the ups and they'd get away on the levels and downs. Cruagh went by very quickly and before I knew it I was jogging upwards towards Tibradden. A train of 3 or 4 runners overtook me at this point. In retrospect I should have done more to stay with them but my tummy was playing up (a repeat of last years race, but I kept going). Tibradden was a joy. Running up a hill being pushed up by the wind is something that doesn't happen too often.

    Down towards Kilmasoghue I was running steadily, if unspectacularly. I held my pace back a bit as I didn't want to finish at the Marley park gate and have nothing left for the last run. I neither gained on the runner ahead nor did anyone get near me. I think I was 23th (if a shout of places from Henny on the Wicklow way was accurate). Last year I was 21st. Last year my pace was 4:39. Today it was the very same. I think my overall race today was more consistent. My time is slightly down on last year (less than a minute) but we'd the extra few hundred metres around Marlay.

    Overall, happy enough and more reassurance that my fitness levels of last year are returned. Well done KC who placed 9th by all accounts. A great performance from a non hill runner ;)

    21.24k, 4:39 pace, 579m climb.
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/99733127


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,530 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Well done KC who placed 9th by all accounts. A great performance from a non hill runner ;)
    Haha. I do run hills, but only when no-one is looking. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Legs definitely knew I had a race yesterday but doing nothing wasn't an option. Headed out into the light rain and wind and headed up the hill. The legs didn't protest too much as I trotted deliberately slowly. Got to the top of the hill and took in the magnificent views. Saw some scampering rabbits and a bounding deer. Went straight at the top of the hill to give me a bit more downhill which looped back on itself back to the top again. Took it very easy too on the downhill and the legs loosened up. Took a cold water dip when I got home to get the blood circulating in the legs. A nice start to the week.

    10.21k, 362m climb, 5:12 pace

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/100111510


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Took on the advice from T runner and tried some lopping 400s this evening. Having raced on Sunday the legs wouldn't have been good for sprinting 400s like last week in any event. Headed 2k from the house to my newly found 'flat' piece of road. Ran 10 x 400s with 15s recovery between each. The 400s were really just exagerated long strides trying to run tall and run with good form. Time wasn't really an issue but they went by quickly. 2k home. Stood in cold water for 5 mins when I got home for the 2nd day running and the legs feel great. There might be something in this - the lopping strides and the water treatment. :pac:

    8.51k, 4:19 pace, No hills to speak of.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/100356942


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Yesterday: Easy paced run from Glencormack down towards Glenview and back along a trail which took me up to the Little Sugarloaf and back over to Glencormack. 9.5k.

    This evening. A repeat of last Thurs. Warm up, 5 x 1 mile (2 min rest), warm down. Gusty wind wasn't great for these so some of the reps suffered. I seemed to be tiring badly too (rep 5 suffered by time, but I didn't think it was bad as I was running it :o). Avg pace was same as last Thurs but reps were up and down depending on wind. Did the cold water treatment after and the legs feel sort of normal again. http://connect.garmin.com/activity/100760998

    13.44k, 4:31 pace avg, Rep avg 6:05 (1s improvement on last Thurs).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Hooked up with Pronator for a run near Cabinteely. Warm up and warm down run either side of 10 x 100m, basically the length of the soccer pitch. I'm not build for this sprinting lark, but the 10 reps went quickly. Did them with the wind and jog / walked back to do the next one.

    8.99k, 4:49 pace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    This was very tough. If I knew what was going to be in store I probably would have shied away from this and taken in a medium distance run myself. Then again I would have missed a great event, so from that perspective I'm glad I did it. My legs won't be talking to me for a day or 2 I reckon...

    Brilliant sunshine today in Wicklow. A big crowd for a nav.. circa 40 competitors lined up in Crone wood and we were given maps by the Race Director with 4 controls to visit in order. Route choice between controls was up to you.

    Control one was at a crag above Ballyross. Most of us followed reallly really bad routes to try find it. Bashing through thick vegetation. Walking pace at most for much of it. Lesson 1, stay on the trail as long as possible before going the bashing through forest option.

    Control 2 was over on Tonduff north. The running between both controls wasn't great. Lots of boggy ground and large tufts of grass. Pretty straightforward nav at least.

    Control 3 was back over at Djouce, just under the peak facing Tonduff. Running was possible at first, then got very difficult cos of the up and down nature of the ground, and wild vegetation. So quite slow on this one. Could see other competitors not too far ahead. Gareth Little, Pat McCavana (who had earlier managed to lose his compass). Thanksfully with the weather the compass didn't really need an outing.

    Last Control was Maulin peak. Bad decision by me to follow another runner on a nearly bee-line (attempt) between Control 3 and 4. The ground underfoot was very unrunnable. More high heather, gorse, tufts of grass, holes, bog. Basically lots of stuff to make progress pretty dreadful. I was getting tired at this point. The slog up Mauin through high vegetation was a bit of a battle. All the while I was thinking I should have taken to longer, more runnable route. You live and learn.

    Made Maulin summit just after Caroline Reid and Gareth. Coming off Maulin I made things longer for myself by taking the descent which is the Powerscourt Ridge ascent. Added time unnecessarily but a tired mind etc. Very relieved to cross the line in just over 3 hours.

    I asked the RD if he mixed the nav races up and organised the hard one today instead :D

    The flies were out in force today. They must have had a field day eating me all day.

    Wrecked after, but lessons learnt (again). I always learn lessons on these races :D

    I don't know yet who won or what the winning time was. Whoever took the most efficient route to control 1 and took the longer route between 3 and 4 would have made up huge time today. I think I was circa 13th place. Room for improvement.

    17.09k, 901m climb, Pace (standing still would have been faster)

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/101158376


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    My route in pink. The 'as the crow flies' way is not always the best.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    I was hoping to run longer this morning but the 3 hrs on my feet in yesterday's event ruled that out. Conventional wisdom would suggest I do a very easy recovery run this morning. My legs had other ideas. They felt good from the outset. Its almost like they wanted to get turning in contrast to yesterday when it was trudging pace for the most part. I headed up to my usual trails and took longer options that normal with a view to making it at least a 10 miler. It was warm with a light breeze. The breeze wasn't enough to keep the flies at bay which were very annoying throughout, except for on some downhills where I got a bit of speed up and shook them off for a bit. Some of the uphills were difficult and the legs were telling me at this stage that maybe an easy day wasn't a bad idea. Still, I managed to keep them turning and by the time I finished I'd managing to eke out a respectable avg speed despite the amount of climb. The downhills were fairly effortless. Letting gravity do its thing. Felt great. Bathed the legs in cold water after. Sting like hell after all the cuts and grazes from the Wicklow mountains yesterday. This was a good workout.
    16.43k, 432m climb, 4:59 pace
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/101335932


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Was going to run this evening in Glen of the Downs but change of plan and got out at lunchtime instead and hooked up with Pronator for a trot around Cabinteely. Both of us tired after the weekend of respective running, but we ticked over quite nicely, too fast for a recovery, but the running seemed easy, and its not always the case so go with the flow.

    8.74k, 4:32 pace
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/101700285


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Same deal as last Tuesday. Short jog out the backroads, then 10 x 400s not sprinting all out, but running with an elongated stride trying to run high. Pushed it harder as the session went on. 60s rest between each. The last 2 didn't register probably on the watch as it lost satelite signal. Short jog back home.
    8.2k total, 4.43 pace.
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/101942994


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