James McCarthy to a top EPL club?

darkman2

Just reading some articles online today suggesting both Chelsea and Liverpool want to sign the Wigan midfielder.

A couple of questions. Is the player overhyped? And if a big club does sign him where do you think he will go? I think he looks a decent prospect and should be at a bigger club. Will Wigan sell him at the end of this season?

Good squad player

gosplan

If Wigan stay up you'd hope he'd stay and continue playing every week in the EPL rather than sitting on a bench at Chelsea/Liverpool.

Pauleta

The young man is a class act. I firmly believe he will be at a top club for years to come.

darkman2

Maybe Liverpool would be a better bet in terms of guaranteed game time?

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-News-Liverpool-think-they-can-beat-Chelsea-to-James-McCarthy-s-signature-article717517.html

master-t

Myself and a few friends were chatting about this today.

If Wigan go down, he will be gone. If Wigan stay up, then they will sell at a good price.

Where to?

I can't see him going straight into a top 4 club's starting 11 atm.

I think if he did move to Liverpool / Chelsea......it could really set his progress back abit if he's sitting on the bench - look at Parker and Sidwell when they went to Chelsea.

I think a move to a mid table team would be his best move atm. He is just gone 20, so a move to an Everton / Bolton / Sunderland / Newcastle to a lesser extent might not be a bad move. 2 / 3 years playing at the next level would be great for his development. Then, if all going well, he would be 22/23 and ready to play his prime at a big club.

Personally, if Coyle is still at Bolton, I think that would be a good move for him. Coyle is a fantastic man manager and seems to get the best out of young players - Wilshire and Sturridge. If Coyle could get on McCarthy liek he did to Wilshire, we would benefit immensely.

yabadabado

If Wigan can stay up I would like to see him stay there for another year ,just think Liverpool/Chelsea is too big of a step up at the moment.he is a fantastic prospect and i can see him with one of the top clubs before long.a mid ranking team where he will play most games would bring him on immensely

darkman2

darkman2 wrote: »

Maybe Liverpool would be a better bet in terms of guaranteed game time?

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-News-Liverpool-think-they-can-beat-Chelsea-to-James-McCarthy-s-signature-article717517.html

What a piece of journalism that is :pac:

The Volt

I think Wigan are gonners so hopefully somebody intent on playing him comes in with a bid. Won't be Everton unfortunately as we haven't a pot to piss in.

Mister men

rarnes1 wrote: »

What a piece of journalism that is :pac:

Journalism and The Mirror newspaper. Does'nt sound right does it.

darkman2

rarnes1 wrote: »

What a piece of journalism that is :pac:

lol yeah:)

sonic85

master-t wrote: »

Myself and a few friends were chatting about this today.

If Wigan go down, he will be gone. If Wigan stay up, then they will sell at a good price.

Where to?

I can't see him going straight into a top 4 club's starting 11 atm.

I think if he did move to Liverpool / Chelsea......it could really set his progress back abit if he's sitting on the bench - look at Parker and Sidwell when they went to Chelsea.

I think a move to a mid table team would be his best move atm. He is just gone 20, so a move to an Everton / Bolton / Sunderland / Newcastle to a lesser extent might not be a bad move. 2 / 3 years playing at the next level would be great for his development. Then, if all going well, he would be 22/23 and ready to play his prime at a big club.

Personally, if Coyle is still at Bolton, I think that would be a good move for him. Coyle is a fantastic man manager and seems to get the best out of young players - Wilshire and Sturridge. If Coyle could get on McCarthy liek he did to Wilshire, we would benefit immensely.

id love to see him go to bolton. coyles a good manager who likes his teams to play a nice style of football - would suit mccarthy down to the ground. hed be totally wasted at a top club because he probably wouldnt get much game time. not yet anyway. the minutes hes getting at wigan will do him the world of good

A Dub in Glasgo

Going to a top EPL side may not be the right thing for McCarthy for footballing reasons.

noodler

Not entirely sure he warrants attention from top 4 clubs at the moment.

All a bit premature.

Bodhisopha

noodler wrote: »

Not entirely sure he warrants attention from top 4 clubs at the moment.

All a bit premature.

So you think he'd be better off going to a club like Liverpool?

LeeroyJones

Whatever offers come his way I trust he will make the right decision. For a young lad he seems to have his head screwed on well, or at least gets good advice.
He could have joined a Premiership club a few seasons ago but opted to stay with Hamilton in order to play first team football rather than play a few reserve fixtures for a big club, and even last summer I think he had a few high profile (relatively speaking) clubs making offers but went for first team football at Wigan

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Bolton and then on to United prefferably.;)
I think he'll be class for years to come, I hope to god he doesn't go to Chelsea in the summer, 'cause he has no chance of playing regularly there.

Paully D

If Wigan go down they will be losing N'Zogbia and Rodellaga who'll go for very decent money, probably £20m combined. Then they'll sell the likes of Figueroa for alright money too.

Whelan will be under no pressure to sell when they offload those mentioned above as he has their finances in excellent condition already with the sales of Valencia, Palacios in previous seasons and he has proven in the past that he won't sell unless it's right for him. He's no mug and won't be bullied.

I presume Wigan will look for about £8m for McCarthy and unless one of the top clubs are willing to pay that he'll be going nowhere. I couldn't see Bolton, Newcastle, Sunderland etc paying that sort of money for him.

I'll no doubt get shot down for saying this and I hope it doesn't happen as I'd like to see him playing every week at Premier League level, but personally I think he'll be playing Championship football for Wigan next season.

master-t

Paully D wrote: »

If Wigan go down they will be losing N'Zogbia and Rodellaga who'll go for very decent money, probably £20m combined. Then they'll sell the likes of Figueroa for alright money too.

Whelan will be under no pressure to sell when they offload those mentioned above as he has their finances in excellent condition already with the sales of Valencia, Palacios in previous seasons and he has proven in the past that he won't sell unless it's right for him. He's no mug and won't be bullied.

I presume Wigan will look for about £8m for McCarthy and unless one of the top clubs are willing to pay that he'll be going nowhere. I couldn't see Bolton, Newcastle, Sunderland etc paying that sort of money for him.

I'll no doubt get shot down for saying this and I hope it doesn't happen as I'd like to see him playing every week at Premier League level, but personally I think he'll be playing Championship football for Wigan next season.

No shooting down exactly, but I just couldn't imagine it.

I think he knows he is better than Championship football as do the club. If the right money comes in, they will sell. Whelan is no tyrant - he won't make players stay against their will if he thinks they deserve a big move and the money is good - seen with Valencia and Palacios.

Just not sure if a top 4 club would suit him at this moment in time, However, I think Gerrard could be the best role model for him. He reminds me of a young Gerrard so much.

Yakult

Would like to see him go to Bolton. Good coach and good team. It would only benefit him too as he would get alot games there than If he went straight to a top 4 club where might struggle for a place ever week. Leave him develope more and mature, then off to a big club. (All going well.)

everdead.ie

In fairness didn't he turn down moves to liverpool and spurs they year before he went to Wigan so he could play at Hamilton and then again turned them both down the following summer so he could get more game time at Wigan then at either club I think he has his head screwed on and will go to a club that he can play every week at if he does move that is.

Le King

I like McCathy a lot. Looks a tidy player. Can become a very good midfielder and probably will if his head stays on the game. Seems like a mature lad.


Best of luck to him, whoever he plays for. Would probably do a job in any of 13-14 teams in the PL. But I hope he ends up at Bolton. Martinez won't benefit him greatly as a coach IMO. Coyle probably would do a lot for James. I hope he ends up there.

Revolution9

Accordings to Bobby Martinez he already turned down Liverpool to sign for Wigan in the first place.

For his development he would be better off staying at Wigan for another few seasons, providing they stay in the top flight.

Liam O

Revolution9 wrote: »

Accordings to Bobby Martinez he already turned down Liverpool to sign for Wigan in the first place.

For his development he would be better off staying at Wigan for another few seasons, providing they stay in the top flight.

I think he's a United fan so would maybe want to avoid Liverpool. Could be wrong but didn't his Da say that he'd play for United some day?

Chucky the tree

Liam O wrote: »

I think he's a United fan so would maybe want to avoid Liverpool. Could be wrong but didn't his Da say that he'd play for United some day?

He's a professional footballer, I doubt who he supports comes into it.

Liam O

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's a professional footballer, I doubt who he supports comes into it.

it's been seen multiple times in recent seasons that it kind of does come into it. The most expensive player in the world for one...

OPENROAD

Think people are getting a bit carried away talking about a top 4 club , see how he does at Wigan first and what impact he makes there.

Revolution9

Liam O wrote: »

I think he's a United fan so would maybe want to avoid Liverpool. Could be wrong but didn't his Da say that he'd play for United some day?

Can't find anything on that, although Wikipedia claims he grew up supporting Celtic.

Chucky the tree

Liam O wrote: »

it's been seen multiple times in recent seasons that it kind of does come into it. The most expensive player in the world for one...

When/Who? He moved to the biggest club in the world and got paid a lot more money in the process, slight difference.

ricero

I think he's a fantastic player and as a Liverpool fan would love to see him in a red shirt but he wouldn't play week in week out me thinks at this stage in his career. Also with us signing shelvey who seems a prospect i see it unlikely. He reminds me of gerrard as does shelvey although I do think mcartey is the better player. Kenny would do a fantastic job on mcartey I feel and could mold him into the new gerrard.

Liam O

Chucky the tree wrote: »

When/Who? He moved to the biggest club in the world and got paid a lot more money in the process, slight difference.

Ronaldo, even when at the top club in Europe and England always said his dream was to play for Madrid. It's fair to say he would have had a much greater chance of winning silverware over the last couple of years at United but wanted to move to Madrid because he supported them as a child.

Seaneh

Liam O wrote: »

Ronaldo, even when at the top club in Europe and England always said his dream was to play for Madrid. It's fair to say he would have had a much greater chance of winning silverware over the last couple of years at United but wanted to move to Madrid because he supported them as a child.

He moved to the biggest club in world football and almost doubled his take home wages between an improved contract and difference between the british and spanish tax rate.

His personal sponsorship deals all got re-worked too.

It was about far more than just moving to the club he supported.

Sappy404

I think if Liverpool want him, they'll get him. The new owners will be investing in youth, and with the likes of Kelly, Wilson, Shelvey and Spearing all getting 1st team football this season I think he'll get his game time. Dalglish could be the ideal person to convince him as well.

That said, it's not exactly a priority position for Liverpool. If they sell their dead wood and get the wide players/defenders they need, then maybe. Also, unless Wigan get relegated or lose a few of their other star players, I can't see him itching to move. He's come a long way there and will improve further if they stay up and he has good players around him.

PHB

Seaneh wrote: »

He moved to the biggest club in world football and almost doubled his take home wages between an improved contract and difference between the british and spanish tax rate.

His personal sponsorship deals all got re-worked too.

It was about far more than just moving to the club he supported.

United would have matched anything Madrid offered and everyone knows that. He wanted to go to Madrid because it was his dream to play for them. You can make him out to be about the money, but the one thing that everyone knows about Ronaldo is that he cares about one thing above all else, his career. Money is secondary for him.

bUILDERtHEbOB

Absolutely no reason why he wouldn't get a lot of game time for Liverpool, IMO. I mean, he's capable of playing in a couple of positions which helps and he can't be worse than Spearing/Poulsen/Cole/Maxi or Kuyt when he plays on the wing.

Hank_Jones

bUILDERtHEbOB wrote: »

Absolutely no reason why he wouldn't get a lot of game time for Liverpool, IMO. I mean, he's capable of playing in a couple of positions which helps and he can't be worse than Spearing/Poulsen/Cole/Maxi or Kuyt when he plays on the wing.

Bit harsh to lump Kuyt in with the rest of them.
He works hard regardless of where he is playing.

noodler

Bodhisopha wrote: »

So you think he'd be better off going to a club like Liverpool?

No, he wouldn't play regularly enough.

darkman2

Bit in the Herald about this....not sure how trustworthy it is though.

Chase is on


€20m price tag on Irish midfield star






By Paul Hyland

Monday March 28 2011

Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Carlo Ancelotti and Kenny Dalglish are scrambling for pole position in the race to sign James McCarthy and the bidding is likely to open at €20m.

At least Giovanni Trapattoni has finally climbed aboard the McCarthy bandwagon and the Ireland manager now believes he has a mixture of Michel Platini, Gianni Rivera and Sandro Mazzola on his hands.

"For a kid his age, he is very mature. He can play different positions and he has a very good personality on the pitch. He is like Platini, Rivera and Mazzola, a smart and creative player," said Trapattoni.

That's a considerable change from a few months ago when Trap painted McCarthy as the unwilling international.

Now, however, he's the star pupil and will get the chance to show us more of what he's got when he lines out alongside Trapattoni's young guns against Uruguay at Lansdowne Road tomorrow night. "We will look to the young players for this game against Uruguay. I have a lot of trust in the young players," Trap claimed after he told Robbie Keane, Richard Dunne, Damien Duff, Kevin Kilbane and the unfortunate Kevin Doyle to go back to their clubs.

"Kevin has a medial ligament injury and it could be one, maybe two months. I am hopeful he will be back with us in June," said Trap.


- Paul Hyland

Herald.ie

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el dude

€20m? No.

premierstone

el dude wrote: »

€20m? No.

Dont see why not when you see some of the crazy money that is still been paid, he has more potential and looks a better prospect than Andy Carroll to me and what was the fee paid for him??

I would agree with the previous posters who have made a case for Bolton, would be a great carreer move, look what it did for Jack Whilshere, as a gooner I hope Arsene signs him and if we keep Cesc, loan him out to Bolton for the year and possibly use it as a sweetner in a move for Gary Cahill

el dude

Haha, using Andy Carroll as some kind of barometer. You're reaching there. I'd pay €12m and not a penny more. Bet he doesn't move for much more than that either, if he does go at the end of this season.

JPA

PHB wrote: »

United would have matched anything Madrid offered and everyone knows that. He wanted to go to Madrid because it was his dream to play for them. You can make him out to be about the money, but the one thing that everyone knows about Ronaldo is that he cares about one thing above all else, his career. Money is secondary for him.

200k a week or whatever rising by 25% ever year of his contract? United would have matched that? I doubt it.

premierstone

el dude wrote: »

Haha, using Andy Carroll as some kind of barometer. You're reaching there. I'd pay €12m and not a penny more. Bet he doesn't move for much more than that either, if he does go at the end of this season.

It was an example not a barometer and im sure there will be plenty more such examples in the summer transfer window, €12m(euro) for an incredibly skilfull, strong, versatile 20 year-old would be an incredible coup for whoever signs him, not that I believe for a second he will be allowed go for that price and he still has over 3 years left on he's current deal.

Raskolnikov

bUILDERtHEbOB wrote: »

Absolutely no reason why he wouldn't get a lot of game time for Liverpool, IMO. I mean, he's capable of playing in a couple of positions which helps and he can't be worse than Spearing/Poulsen/Cole/Maxi or Kuyt when he plays on the wing.

From what I have seen of McCarthy, he certainly would not be capable of playing on the wing for a top EPL side. His future is in some sort of central midfield role.

premierstone

Raskolnikov wrote: »

From what I have seen of McCarthy, he certainly would not be capable of playing on the wing for a top EPL side. His future is in some sort of central midfield role.

Yes but neither is any of that list

Revolution9

premierstone wrote: »

Yes but neither is any of that list

Quite right, apart from Dirk Kuyt of course.

JPA

premierstone wrote: »

It was an example not a barometer and im sure there will be plenty more such examples in the summer transfer window, €12m(euro) for an incredibly skilfull, strong, versatile 20 year-old would be an incredible coup for whoever signs him, not that I believe for a second he will be allowed go for that price and he still has over 3 years left on he's current deal.

Chairmen look at profit when selling players and McCarthy supposedly cost just over £1million. A bid of 12 million would definitely get him if he was willing to leave.

Mr.Nice Guy

I've watched the guy for a few years like a lot of others around here and the potential was there to see. It's great to see him doing well. He always looked a cut above the rest of Trap's favourites like Whelan and Andrews. I think I read that Liverpool were interested in him at one stage and that he went to the ground and had a chat with Gerrard. As I recall he neglected the move because he didn't want to be put into a squad situation when he was on the brink of getting games in the SPL with Hamilton.

As far as Ireland are concerned, he's not going to be another Roy Keane figure imo but I think he could well prove to be another Mark Kinsella or Matt Holland type and we could certainly do with one of those as both were great servants.

JPA

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

As far as Ireland are concerned, he's not going to be another Roy Keane figure imo but I think he could well prove to be another Mark Kinsella or Matt Holland type and we could certainly do with one of those as both were great servants.

I know you were trying for a compliment but...

I think most would hope he would be at a higher level than those 2 given the potential he has shown.

stumpypeeps

JPA wrote: »

I know you were trying for a compliment but...

I think most would hope he would be at a higher level than those 2 given the potential he has shown.

I'm not sure how good he will become but I'd imagine he has a bit more to him than Kinsella or Holland. I think he'll be more offensive than defensive.

Mr.Nice Guy

JPA wrote: »

I know you were trying for a compliment but...

I think most would hope he would be at a higher level than those 2 given the potential he has shown.

Hopefully so but I'm not sure he'll go beyond that level. I think he'll be a solid Premiership player as those two were and if his international career is comparable to them I'll be happy.