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Father and daughter expect child together

  • 24-03-2011 2:13pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,081 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    A woman who tracked down her long-lost father in the US is now pregnant with his child.

    Garry Ryan (snigger), 46, was tracked down by his daughter Penny Lawrence, 28, last year. He had left Ms Lawrence's mother when she was pregnant, so father and daughter had never met.

    Following the death of her mother and the grandparents who raised her, Ms Lawrence, from Los Angeles, became obsessed with finding her father, and tracked him down to Houston, Texas.

    Upon meeting, they felt an instant physical attraction, which resulted in a sexual relationship. Ms Lawrence is now pregnant with her father's child.

    The couple claim that their attraction is the result of something called Genetic Sexual Attraction, a term coined in the 1980s to describe overwhelming feelings between blood relatives who first meet as adults.

    Speaking with The Irish Sun newspaper, Ms Lancaster said: "We are not committing incest, but are victims of GSA. We’ve never experienced a father-daughter relationship, so we’re just like any other strangers who meet in adulthood."

    The couple said that if the three month scan of their baby shows it does not have birth defects, they plan to keep the child and raise it together.

    The couple are aware that their relationship is illegal, and are afraid the law will be used to separate them.

    In the US, a sexual relationship between close blood relatives is illegal, although the specifics of incest laws vary between states. A close blood relative usually includes father, mother, brother and sister, aunt, uncle, niece and nephew but may also extend to first cousins, step parents and step brothers and sisters.

    Several theories surround the phenomenon of GSA, including the notion that humans are frequently attracted to faces similar to their own.

    It also embraces the theory that if two people who are genetically related do not meet until adulthood, the normal sexual aversion that develops between siblings during childhood is somehow switched off.

    Indeed, GSA can affect parents separated from their own children at birth, as well as siblings. It does not refer to a genetic sexual attraction, but to the fact that people are genetically connected.

    The emotions that GSA engenders are reportedly intense and all consuming, leading those affected by it to act against their interest to pursue a relationship with their relative.

    There have been cases of mothers and sons, and long lost brothers becoming intimate under the compulsion of GSA.

    The situation is reported to be quite common in reunions between adoptees.

    The term GSA was coined in the 1980s by Barbara Gonyo after reuniting with the son she had given up for adoption.

    Upon reuniting with him 26 years later, she was horrified to discover that she had feelings for him akin to those of a lover, rather than a mother. She investigated her own feelings about her son and wrote a book in which she coined the phrase Genetic Sexual Attraction.

    http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/father-and-daughter-under-spell-of-gsa.htm

    Does the fact that they have given this act a scientific sounding name make it any less disgusting? I don't think so.. I mean the ideal of 'each to their own' should not be taken to such extremes.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    all kinds of wrong..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Captain_Generic


    Really need pics of the daughter to make a solid judgment


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭UsernameInUse


    At least he hasn't locked her in the basement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭123balltv


    this world keeps getting sicker


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭ElaElaElano


    I'm gonna go to town on all my 3rd/4th cousins at funerals and stuff now.

    It's OK! It's GSA!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    victimless crime, hopefully all ends well for them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭fakearms123


    Boner achieved ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    victimless crime, hopefully all ends well for them

    What about the child and the possible defects it may have?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    Her Ryan line is now open..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    So this kid is, what, gonna be his own son or some sh!t? His father is also his grandfather and his mother is also his half-sister or some sh!t....


    (head explodes)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 261 ✭✭this is arse


    i don't see much difference between this and a homosexual relationship


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,582 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    123balltv wrote: »
    this world keeps getting sicker


    It's sick because they knew that they were father and daughter but I wonder how many siblings have unknowingly gotten together as a result of single parent families where the father could not be established, one night stands etc. I'd hazard a guess that it's going to become more commonplace in Ireland in future years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2011/mar/23/sun-ireland

    Has a picture of the (?) happy couple.

    I think this kind of GSA is more common in Twins seperated at birth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    victimless crime, hopefully all ends well for them

    Um, you mean besides the high chance the child will be born with severe problems, and will grow up in the knowledge his father is also his mother's father.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    i don't see much difference between this and a homosexual relationship

    Wait, What???????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Maybe he should run off again, then the daughter gives birth to a girl who after a few years tracks him down when he's in his 60's and he impregnates he as well.....you'd have some serious confusion then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    Considering his history, I wouldn't expect him to stick around for the birth of the child anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭latenia


    123balltv wrote: »
    this world keeps getting sicker

    If anything I'd say this kind of thing is becoming less frequent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    Won't somebody think of the mongs children


    But seriously. That's screwed up.
    How could anyone so that
    The kid will have to be told at some stage


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 406 ✭✭FesterBeatty


    How akward would it be if only 1 of them had GSA...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    So this kid is, what, gonna be his own son or some sh!t? His father is also his grandfather and his mother is also his half-sister or some sh!t....


    (head explodes)

    So does this mean that the child doesn't exist?:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Um, you mean besides the high chance the child will be born with severe problems, and will grow up in the knowledge his father is also his mother's father.

    The odds aren't as high as you think and in this case they are lower since she only shares half grandparental genes with him instead of full parental genes in the case of brother shagging sister.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    I guess she really can answer truthfully to "who's ya daddy" when he's bonking her. :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,543 ✭✭✭JerryHandbag


    I suppose when he yells out "Who's yer Daddy?" in mid fornication, he really will get an honest answer! :pac:

    Edit: ha, beaten to it ^^


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,081 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Conor108


    i don't see much difference between this and a homosexual relationship

    Can open. Worms everywhere.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    123balltv wrote: »
    this world keeps getting sicker

    you honestly reckon this is the first time in the history of the world that its happened or something? the world is, if anything, far less sick than it wouldve been 200 years ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭MIRMIR82


    i don't see much difference between this and a homosexual relationship

    I'm suprised at you - with a username like yours i thought ud think less narrow-minded!!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,543 ✭✭✭JerryHandbag


    i don't see much difference between this and a homosexual relationship

    Homophobes are gay


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,385 ✭✭✭Quandary


    So to get this straight...

    The kids father is also going to be his grandfather & uncle all role in to one? sounds pretty efficient really!

    And his Mother is also his half sister.

    The Xmas dinner table is gonna be a sparsely populated one in that house!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Um, you mean besides the high chance the child will be born with severe problems, and will grow up in the knowledge his father is also his mother's father.

    What problems and what are the increased risk? don't talk about things you don't understand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm


    That's sick! (the age gap I mean)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭jordainius


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Um, you mean besides the high chance the child will be born with severe problems, and will grow up in the knowledge his father is also his mother's father.

    The child will be a child and a grandchild of his/her father, and a sibling and a child to his/her mother! Or is he/she a half sibling of his/her sister?

    The child's grand mother (who had the childs mother with the childs father/grandfather) will be the childs grandmother and stepmother. My head hurts...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,057 ✭✭✭conorhal


    What about the child and the possible defects it may have?


    Didn't you get the memo? The only real taboo we have left in our sick society any more is judging other's 'choices'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    Outrage!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    jordainius wrote: »
    The child will be a child and a grandchild of his/her father, and a sibling and a child to his/her mother! Or is he/she a half sibling of his/her sister?

    The child's grand mother (who had the childs mother with the childs father/grandfather) will be the childs grandmother and stepmother. My head hurts...

    They should name the child Philip J Fry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    i don't see much difference between this and a homosexual relationship

    Indeed :cool:


    There was also a Mom & Son in Canada who were jailed for incest.

    They had a child that died from a condition that was/is common amongst children that are born trough incestuous relationships:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1511769/posts


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭Agonist


    i don't see much difference between this and a homosexual relationship
    If I may open another can of worms, I think using the scientific term GSA to make it ok to shag your family is in the same league as using Gender Identity disorder as an excuse to lob off your bits. We're all people :confused: Why not be a very feminine man or a very butch tomboy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,247 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    What problems and what are the increased risk? don't talk about things you don't understand.

    Does this mean that there aren't any risks involving birth defects etc.?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,824 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I wouldn't fault anyone for feeling a physical attratction toward any other person. It's something that cannot be helped. You cannot turn it on or off. But, knowing it's your daughter, and proceeding, is a little odd. I think I would have to restrain.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭grumula


    I'm gonna go to town on all my 3rd/4th cousins at funerals and stuff now.

    It's OK! It's GSA!

    i like how your first impulse was to try this at family funerals!?
    you....you are all kindsa awesomely special!
    my hat is off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭grumula


    Agonist wrote: »
    If I may open another can of worms, I think using the scientific term GSA to make it ok to shag your family is in the same league as using Gender Identity disorder as an excuse to lob off your bits. We're all people :confused: Why not be a very feminine man or a very butch tomboy?

    using Gender Identity disorder as an excuse? i don't think these people feel that they NEED an EXCUSE, it's simply how they view themselves.
    Why not be a very feminine man or a very butch tomboy?- again, why be something if you dont want to?

    just re-read my post, elaborating in case it sounded aggressive and all that jazz-
    but if i saw a bloke in a field putting a step ladder up his árse and i asked him "what's with the ladder" and he said "i wanna be a fire engine"-
    well let's face it, it's his árse isn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    i don't see much difference between this and a homosexual relationship
    Its actually only one difference away from being a normal hetrosexual relationship. Its many differences away from being a homosexual relationship.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭karlog


    Must be these types of people




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭Agonist


    grumula wrote: »
    using Gender Identity disorder as an excuse? i don't think these people feel that they NEED an EXCUSE, it's simply how they view themselves.
    Why not be a very feminine man or a very butch tomboy?- again, why be something if you dont want to?
    No, not an excuse for how they feel, they are entitled to feel what they feel, of course. As an excuse to have surgery when society should welcome people who are a different sex on the outside as they are on the inside, without them needing to make the physical changes. Years ago, if psychiatric reprogramming hadn't got there first, people would have recommended that gay people get a sex change so that they were sleeping with the "right" sex. People should be free to be what they want.
    Not explaining myself very well, I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭Simon Adebisi


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    There was also a Mom & Son in Canada who were jailed for incest.

    Did he get a feeling of Deja Vu?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Hope they're jailed for a considerable amount of time. Knowingly creating children from close genetic relationships is a horrific thing to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    What problems and what are the increased risk? don't talk about things you don't understand.

    Do some basic research on genetic issues caused by incestuous relationships and any children born from it.
    There is always a chance that physically, or mentally, there will be no direct results, however there is an increased chance.

    However, in the long term, the mental results can be quite traumatic. Imagine this child growing up with people in the knowledge his parents are Father and Daughter, it is highly likely to have a huge negative impact on his/her life.

    p.s.
    keep taking shots son, but you're doing it wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭robwen


    Hope they're jailed for a considerable amount of time. Knowingly creating children from close genetic relationships is a horrific thing to do.

    sick bastards jail is to good for them they`d enjoy the rape too much in there, they should be just killed & removed from this earth just like the peadophiles


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Helix wrote: »
    you honestly reckon this is the first time in the history of the world that its happened or something? the world is, if anything, far less sick than it wouldve been 200 years ago

    +1 Holocausts, The Inquisitions, slavery, human sacrifice, torture and all the other joys of the past are postively civilised compared to a bit of incest.


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