fair played to the dinosaurs ye have running the gardai!!

whoopdedoo

within days of a letter being written by a proper scumbag td against Ming growing cannabis, the gardai are to investigate this like it's the most serious threat against the credibility of the law in this country since the founding of the state!

where the fcuk are the gardai when it comes to Bertie Ahern, Cowen, Lenihan, Lowry, Denis Desmond etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc!!!!!

shame on anyone who has a hand in this investigation and best of luck with getting to the bottom of it too bahahahahahahaha

ps. gardai are appealing to members of the public to be vigilant and to pass on any info to their local Garda stn or call it in by pressing the hash key

djk1000

Credible complaint made to Gardai ergo Gardai investigate.

If you have a problem with those named in your post, take it up with the law makers, not the law enforcers.

whoopdedoo

djk1000 wrote: »

Credible complaint made to Gardai ergo Gardai investigate.

If you have a problem with those named in your post, take it up with the law makers, not the law enforcers.

I hear ya but just wanted to put it where the garda hq might (and I realise it's a huge might!) actually see it and not just to reply to the after-hours thread.

Shield

They will. They read this forum. Whether they pay attention to it or not is another thing!

whoopdedoo

psni wrote: »

They will. They read this forum. Whether they pay attention to it or not is another thing!

they'll pay attention when the good people of Roscommon and the rest of the country are outraged that the Garda are even considering wasting resources that would be better focused on financial irregularities, political corruption etc.

they've opened the proverbial can of worms with this one!

whoopdedoo

whoopdedoo wrote: »

they'll pay attention when the good people of Roscommon and the rest of the country are outraged that the Garda are even considering wasting resources that would be better focused on financial irregularities, political corruption etc.

they've opened the proverbial can of worms with this one!

How is Lukes alleged disregard of the law any different then anybody else's disregard of the law?

whoopdedoo

foreign wrote: »

How is Lukes alleged disregard of the law any different then anybody else's disregard of the law?

two words, Senator Norris

1922

this is a bit like "haven't you anything better to be doing, like catching bank robbers"

Offy

foreign wrote: »

How is Lukes alleged disregard of the law any different then anybody else's disregard of the law?

Its different because he has not cost the counrty billions. See the difference?

whoopdedoo

1922 wrote: »

this is a bit like "haven't you anything better to be doing, like catching bank robbers"

don't they?

mikom

To paraphrase Jonathan Swift.......

Irish laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets break through.

Discodog

I suspect that Ming is delighted. He will get masses of publicity & the authorities will appear to be idiots.

whoopdedoo

whoopdedoo wrote: »

two words, Senator Norris

Can you give me info on what you're referring to here. Seriously.

Offy wrote: »

Its different because he has not cost the counrty billions. See the difference?

Neither does a burglar. Should we also not prosecute them?

whoopdedoo wrote: »

don't they?

We might get hurt doing that. :rolleyes:

whoopdedoo

foreign wrote: »

Can you give me info on what you're referring to here. Seriously.




Neither does a burglar. Should we also not prosecute them?




We might get hurt doing that. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Norris_(politician)

Court cases

Norris took the Attorney General to the High Court over the criminalisation of homosexuality. His claim was based on the fact that the law infringed on his right to privacy to have consensual sex with a man and that since the introduction of the Constitution of Ireland the law passed under British rule became repugnant to the constitution. The High Court ruled against Norris. He appealed his case to the Supreme Court of Ireland.[14] In 1983, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the law by a three to two verdict.[14]
Having lost the Supreme Court case, Norris took his case to the European Court of Human Rights (See Norris v. Ireland). In 1988, the European Court ruled that the law criminalising male-to-male sex was contrary to the European Convention on Human Rights, in particular Article 8 which protects the right to respect for private life. The law was held to infringe on the right of adults to engage in acts of their own choice.[15] This law was repealed in 1993.

Beruthiel

whoopdedoo wrote: »

within days of a letter being written by a proper scumbag td against Ming growing cannabis, the gardai are to investigate this like it's the most serious threat against the credibility of the law in this country since the founding of the state!

where the fcuk are the gardai when it comes to Bertie Ahern, Cowen, Lenihan, Lowry, Denis Desmond etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc!!!!!

I could not agree more with all of the above.
Our country has been brought to it's knees by politicians and business men, none of which are behind bars, yet we are ALL paying for it.
I'm down a couple of hundred each month in my pay packet since this crap started.
Ming maybe growing a green plant in some bog down in Roscommon and all hell breaks loose. Cost to me and the nation = zero.
It boggles my mind. It really does.
However, posting your outrage in here won't help you one bit.
The good users of this forum can do nothing to help.
Get onto the people who matter.

source

So you're equating a public figure, leading a fight for equal rights for a group of people being persecuted because of their sexuality, with a man who likes to get high,

There's a massive difference between a gay rights campaigner and a habitual drug user.

actuallylike

In fairness now lads, the whole comparison between the bankers and Ming has worn thin. Saying they have nothing better to do is ridiculous. A complaint was made to them about someone breaking the law and they're following it up. They have separate departments for this type of stuff. Someone investigating the inner workings of Anglo isn't going to get dragged away down to Rosscommon to investigate.

Now I'm all for the legislation of drugs which I won't get into now, just want to show I'm not some old Joe Duffy wagon but at the end of the day, not only has Ming broken the law, he's blatantly broken it, spoke proudly of it, and from what I gather continues to do so without hiding it. The bankers probably have loopholes to avoid prosecution or else are able to bog down the police with a tonne of paperwork whereas Ming's only defence is "Ah sure I'm not hurting anyone", doesn't matter. He's breaking the law (a law I don't agree with it but abide to (when in the open of course )) and he knows he is.

You can go on all you want about how it doesn't harm anyone, I agree with you but at the end of the day he's breaking the law and been completely open about it and must expect to face the consequences.

deadwood

whoopdedoo wrote: »

where the fcuk are the gardai when it comes to Bertie Ahern, Cowen, Lenihan, Lowry, Denis Desmond etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc!!!!!

Why don't you go to your local station and make a complaint?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/law_enforcement/reporting_a_crime.html

1922

deadwood wrote: »

Why don't you go to your local station and make a complaint?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/law_enforcement/reporting_a_crime.html

because its far easier to whinge and have a go on the internet

everyone is a hero on the internet

savagecabbages

I think the gardai have been left with no choice but to investigate after such a high profile tip off. In this country we live in there would be a much bigger fallout for the gardai if this tip off was ignored. Infact I'd say there would be serious repercussions if the gardai failed to investigate ANY crime reported to them.

Ming should have shut his mouth and kept his habits to himself, and he would have avoided lots of trouble... Then again as mentioned hes getting loads of PR for this.

I still dont understand that Davin Norris comparison mentioned earlier can someone spell it out for me in plain english?

savagecabbages

savagecabbages wrote: »

I still dont understand that Davin Norris comparison mentioned earlier can someone spell it out for me in plain english?

It was to do with Norris being openly gay when it was illegal in this country. Somehow thats the same as being a drug user / cultivator.

MagicSean

There have been a number of files sent to the DPP about the Anglo situation. The incident with Lowry has also been referred. These are very large and complicated crimes so they will take their time on them. I think one of them was reported as being 18000 pages long. Don't expect any coutcases to be completed in a day or two either. Rushing a big case like that is just inviting disaster. As to Bertie and Cowen. They enjoy constitutional protection for actions taken and decisions made as part of their job. Other than bad decision making have they been accused of any crimes?

Ming, on the other hand, is alleged to be growing and smoking cannabis on a regular basis. This is a much easier crime to detect, prove and prosecute. It stands to reason it would be done much faster.

goldie fish

Ming announced on the radio yesterday that he has ceased smoking and cultivating cannabis in this country to prevent his family home from being under siege by Gardai doing their job.

Reloc8

Perhaps a certain other TD might take a similar view and declare his future intentions as regards treatment of competitions for public monies and receipt of funds.

That'll make everything all right again.

charlemont

Sure cannabis has helped the gardaí in the public perception of them as efficent in the fight against drugs... It should be called the fight against marijuana as basically the vast majority of drug seizures are hash and increasingly weed due to the fact that the product is bulky and smelly by its nature whereas the hard drugs being mainly powder and almost odourless are much more harder to detect on a user..Its easy work for them and it makes them look like they are busy, so many people use hash/weed that its very easy for them to make seizures.. Whereas the vast majority of drug crime is carried out by people using hard drugs such as heroin and legal medications handed out by your local doctor..

Shield

charlemont wrote: »

the vast majority of drug seizures are hash

Can I ask for your source on this please?

charlemont

psni wrote: »

Can I ask for your source on this please?

Yes Its called my eyes and my ears, radio and television news reports, court sittings.. :rolleyes:

Shield

Not exactly what could be called empirical evidence then?

Paulzx

charlemont wrote: »

. Whereas the vast majority of drug crime is carried out by people using hard drugs such as heroin and legal medications handed out by your local doctor..

John Gilligan got 20 odd years for importation of hash. Is he not a serious drug dealer/criminal because he was only dealing hash?

Thanks for showing us the light. He was a nice guy after all

Eru

charlemont wrote: »

Whereas the vast majority of drug crime is carried out by people using hard drugs such as heroin

What do you mean by drug crime?

Committing crime to feed a drug habit is not the same issue as Gardai combating drug selling or indeed being a seller. If your stating that the majority of thefts committed by drug users are by heroin addicts over hash smokers thats probable true but Gardai aren't social workers or any other help group. He arrest the junkie and prosecute him for taking the handbag, we don't give him counselling for his problems.

If however your stating that the majority of drug possession cases are for heroin over hash then your going against your own earlier comment.

charlemont wrote: »

legal medications handed out by your local doctor..

A criminal thats using legal drugs while committing crime could be a bank robber or rapist thats on antibiotics for a chest infection. What is it you expect the Gardai to do about legal prescribed drugs and more importantly, why? Have you got shares in a natural remedy supplier and want to kill of the medical competition?

Besides you and I both know crime is really the fault of the checkout girl in Tesco for allowing us buy two packets of Anadin or the doctor for handing out penicillinas opposed to the hash importers such as that nice chap John Gilligan and his good friend Brian Meehan.

charlemont

Eru wrote: »

What do you mean by drug crime?

Committing crime to feed a drug habit is not the same issue as Gardai combating drug selling or indeed being a seller. If your stating that the majority of thefts committed by drug users are by heroin addicts over hash smokers thats probable true but Gardai aren't social workers or any other help group. He arrest the junkie and prosecute him for taking the handbag, we don't give him counselling for his problems.

If however your stating that the majority of drug possession cases are for heroin over hash then your going against your own earlier comment.


A criminal thats using legal drugs while committing crime could be a bank robber or rapist thats on antibiotics for a chest infection. What is it you expect the Gardai to do about legal prescribed drugs and more importantly, why? Have you got shares in a natural remedy supplier and want to kill of the medical competition?

Besides you and I both know crime is really the fault of the checkout girl in Tesco for allowing us buy two packets of Anadin or the doctor for handing out penicillinas opposed to the hash importers such as that nice chap John Gilligan and his good friend Brian Meehan.

You know all the answers !! Do you anything about the legal drugs people misuse ?? Anadins Oh my god, Ha Ha.
Have you ever heard of Valium, Upjohns, D5's/D10's, Zanax ??
(These drugs would commonly be referred to as Smarties, Relaxers)

Yes I smoke some Hash and go on a rampage, kicking in car windows and snatching bags, Asking random strangers for money. Breaking into buildings. False confidence is needed for these stupid acts and you wont get that confidence from smoking Hash alone.

What do I mean by drug crime ?? Well if you cant figure that one out, Then I think Houston ,We have a problem..

A problem with addicts robbing and stealing things to sell/swop for drugs, ie Breaking into dwellings, cars, shops etc :cool: