TV3 TONIGHT - The Truth about Irish Bloodsports.

Discodog

10pm TV3
The Truth About Irish Bloodsports - from TV3 website
(Documentary)
"In this eye-opening TV3 documentary, presenter Henry McKean ventures into the world of blood sports, meeting the people involved in hare coursing, a long held rural tradition. He discovers whether this sport is cruel or not when he visits a coursing club in North Kerry. He also joins the other side as he meets animal welfare protestors demonstrating outside a coursing club. Henry also looks at foxhunting, another contentious sport. He joins the Laois hunt as they head out to hunt a fox. Along the route he speaks to mounted riders about their love of this ancient tradition."




It seems like a bad title - the truth according to who ?.

mosi

It's looking as though it should be called The Propaganda about Irish Bloosports if this article by the presenter is anything to go by

http://www.herald.ie/opinion/henry-mckean-banning-bloodsports-here-is-no-simple-matter-this-ive-learned-2589286.html

He trots out the usual old claptrap about hunting and coursing being traditions and thus justified. He also describes those against it as being "hardline vegetarians" with hidden agendas. AND he speaks of the economic "benefits" of the greyhound industry :mad:

Still, will give it a watch to see how far they go with this propaganda before I have a proper rant!

Discodog

Yep he was spouting the same on Newstalk today. I tend to find his reporting to be incredibly low key & so laid back that it seems like he can't be bothered.

Whispered

"I think he enjoys it"

"what abooot the poor hen, when the fox carries the poor hen"

"A fox never feels sorry for you"

" a fox is an animal, I don't think it really has a brain"

(last quote may have been misheard)

I suppose if you consider yourself on a par with a wild animal they are perfectly reasonable statements. :rolleyes:

jimthemental

Why has no one from the ICC talked yet ffs, he's getting to give all his time to the anti blood sporters and it looks like coursers wont talk

Discodog

There were constant references about the control of foxes but they only kill the old or weak & most times they don't kill at all. Rats & Rabbits would be wiped out if hunting was banned :rolleyes:.

Loads of references to people in the city not understanding. So if you live in a city you cannot understand cruelty.

Amazing how the Coursers refused entry. Then on another date we are allowed to see the "Hare Farm" - what was going on that they didn't want filmed ?

No mention of Hound or Greyhound welfare. He didn't once ask about what happens to unwanted dogs.

Foxes do not have a brain. Fox thinks that it is a game.

The huntsman carried the camera so could of filmed anything.

Hares are never stressed & the Kerry Vet has been supervising for 20 years. He says it was a good meet with no injuries. He is not asked about bad meets.

Apparently every second house in North Kerry keeps Greyhounds.

Gormley says that he has no problem with shooting & fishing yet RISE say that he wants them banned.

Lots of talk of bringing communities together & bloodsports being the Heart & Soul of the Country :rolleyes:

Nollipop

The presenter was talking on the radio today and saying that he was more inclined to be on the side of the coursers and hunters after making the programme.

Oh, and that he saw no problem with sending greyhounds to China... Idiot.

The programme was so biased towards giving pro-hunt people more airtime, that's no suprise. Did he even spend ANY time with anti-bloodsport protesters, apart from one day with ARAN and talking to Gormley?!!

It made me really angry, watching that twaddle.

Discodog

Yes he could of investigated the cost of Coursing & racing by visiting the rescues that have to pick up the pieces.

But the sad fact is that ARAN are one of only a couple of groups prepared to protest.

Minky 123

Well it told you the truth about bloodsports did'nt it? The fact that hare coarsing is a well regulated and orgainised sport which is a important part of rural society. There are more neglected dogs in pounds been put down every week than foxes killed in hunts. The facts speak for themselves......

Cherry Blossom

I didn't realise neglected dogs were mentioned in it, I must have missed that part. How is a wild animal being torn apart by foxhounds equal in anyway at all to dogs in pounds being pts'd? In what ways exactly is live hare courseing better than using a drag as a matter of interest? I found it as factual and informative as a documentry on quantum physics would be if it were made by Walt Disney.

Discodog

Minky 123 wrote: »

Well it told you the truth about bloodsports did'nt it? The fact that hare coarsing is a well regulated and orgainised sport which is a important part of rural society. There are more neglected dogs in pounds been put down every week than foxes killed in hunts. The facts speak for themselves......

If he wanted to tell the truth he would of attempted to get an opposing view to the huge number of so called facts that were spouted by the hunting lobby. For example he allowed the Coursers to go unchallenged regarding Hare welfare. He allowed the Fox hunters to say that hunting controlled number when research shows that it doesn't. Where were the experts who oppose hunting ?. They were allowed to say ridiculous things like the Fox thinks that it's a game & does not possess a brain without being challenged.

The aspect that was well controlled was the threatening refusal to allow the camera in & the way that fences were erected to hide the Coursing field. If it is all above board then why hide it ?. They were well organised in that the ICC realised that this was a PR disaster & agreed to allow filming at another site, once they were sure that nothing unsavoury would be on view.

I have always lived in the countryside & it's not part of my society.

seamus

As was perfectly obvious from his series on Travellers, his documentary style is nothing resembling, "The truth about" anything. Instead it should be entitled, "The good things about Irish Bloodsports/Travellers (while completely ignoring the major negatives)".

Henry McKean is liked because of his funny accent and his bumbling innocent facade. But he's trying to act like he's an Irish Louis Theroux when in fact it's obvious he will only do documentaries about "controversial" things if he doesn't have to be negative about them and risk getting into trouble.

Discodog

seamus wrote: »

As was perfectly obvious from his series on Travellers, his documentary style is nothing resembling, "The truth about" anything. Instead it should be entitled, "The good things about Irish Bloodsports/Travellers (while completely ignoring the major negatives)".

Henry McKean is liked because of his funny accent and his bumbling innocent facade. But he's trying to act like he's an Irish Louis Theroux when in fact it's obvious he will only do documentaries about "controversial" things if he doesn't have to be negative about them and risk getting into trouble.

Absolutely. The Coursers refusal to let him in would of been seized on by a real investigative journalist. Where's Donal McIntyre when we need him ?. Was he scared to look further or was it that he wanted the co-operation of the ICC ?.

TV programming is supposed to be balanced & this clearly was not. Given this & the totally misleading title it warrants an official complaint.

ThunderCat

To echo what posters have already said, the programme last night was very one sided and infuriating to watch.

The remarks that some of the fox hunters were coming out with were crazy. "the fox thinks its a game", "the fox doesnt feel sorry for you", "I don't think he has a brain". Laughable part about it was the presenter accepted these ridiculous statements and didnt challenge them yet the first thing he said to the protester was something along the lines of was he worried about being portrayed as an animal loving hippy. Since when do you have to be a hippy to have an opinion on animal cruelty. And it's complete rubbish what they were saying about "city" people not understanding hunting and the big part it plays in the lives of county people. And the comment about hunting keeping fox numbers in check is a very loose one aswell as every ecosystem has an apex predator which is what the fox is in this country when not hunted. Their numbers would naturally be kept in check by the availabilty of its prey. Their numbers wouldnt spiral out of control with the ban on hunting as any increase in fox polulation would also result in an increase in fox mortality due to competition for food.

It was sad to see the young children at the hunts no doubt also being told that the fox thinks its a game and has no brain. They will grow up with these same notions about keeping the "tradition" alive.

Discodog

The facts are that those opposed to hunting got a grand total of 8 minutes out of a one hour program. Yes I have had to go back through the recording to time it as part of my complaint.

From the Broadcasting Complaints Commission website:

"In its broadcast treatment of current affairs, including matters which are either of public controversy or the subject of current public debate, it is fair to all interests concerned and that the broadcast matter is presented in an objective and impartial manner and without any expression of the broadcasters own views (two or more related broadcasts may be considered as a whole, if the broadcasts are transmitted within a reasonable period of time)."

8 mins out of 60 is hardly fair.

Minky 123

ThunderCat wrote: »

any increase in fox polulation would also result in an increase in fox mortality due to competition for food.

What type of food do you think the foxes will start competing for when they deplete there natural supply of rabbits/rats. If you ever do get the privilge of living in the countryside you would soon realise how important it is to keep the fox population under control as you would see it first hand. (lambs been taken alone would wipe out every sheep farmers profit margin so if you think of the lost revenue you would have to say it also makes economical sense to control fox)

ISDW

Minky 123 wrote: »

ThunderCat wrote: »

any increase in fox polulation would also result in an increase in fox mortality due to competition for food.

What type of food do you think the foxes will start competing for when they deplete there natural supply of rabbits/rats. If you ever do get the privilge of living in the countryside you would soon realise how important it is to keep the fox population under control as you would see it first hand. (lambs been taken alone would wipe out every sheep farmers profit margin so if you think of the lost revenue you would have to say it also makes economical sense to control fox)

How on earth do you know where ThunderCat lives? What an amazingly arrogant assumption to make, that they don't live in the country and so don't understand. I live in the country, a very, very rural area and I'm totally opposed to fox hunting. I was brought up in the countryside, and I went to watch a hunt start off a few times when I was a child, as I was a bit horse mad, then I formed my own opinion of it, and became opposed to it.

Discodog

Minky 123 wrote: »

ThunderCat wrote: »

any increase in fox polulation would also result in an increase in fox mortality due to competition for food.

What type of food do you think the foxes will start competing for when they deplete there natural supply of rabbits/rats. If you ever do get the privilge of living in the countryside you would soon realise how important it is to keep the fox population under control as you would see it first hand. (lambs been taken alone would wipe out every sheep farmers profit margin so if you think of the lost revenue you would have to say it also makes economical sense to control fox)

The old patronising "you can't have an opinion because you don't live in the countryside argument".

The hunters stated, in the program, that only the sick & old foxes are killed & that many hunts end without killing a fox. Hunts do not have any effect on population. The healthy foxes carry on breeding.

Jim

Minky 123 wrote: »

ThunderCat wrote: »

any increase in fox polulation would also result in an increase in fox mortality due to competition for food.

What type of food do you think the foxes will start competing for when they deplete there natural supply of rabbits/rats. If you ever do get the privilge of living in the countryside you would soon realise how important it is to keep the fox population under control as you would see it first hand. (lambs been taken alone would wipe out every sheep farmers profit margin so if you think of the lost revenue you would have to say it also makes economical sense to control fox)

Even if this were true it doesn't change the fact that these hunts take place not out of necessity to protect local wildlife and keep a balance but rather for recreation and pleasure.

I find it pretty repulisve that people can take pleasure from chasing down a terrified animal and killing it for sport.

The Big Fella

ThunderCat wrote: »

To echo what posters have already said, the programme last night was very one sided and infuriating to watch.

The remarks that some of the fox hunters were coming out with were crazy. "the fox thinks its a game", "the fox doesnt feel sorry for you", "I don't think he has a brain". Laughable part about it was the presenter accepted these ridiculous statements and didnt challenge them yet the first thing he said to the protester was something along the lines of was he worried about being portrayed as an animal loving hippy. Since when do you have to be a hippy to have an opinion on animal cruelty. And it's complete rubbish what they were saying about "city" people not understanding hunting and the big part it plays in the lives of county people. And the comment about hunting keeping fox numbers in check is a very loose one aswell as every ecosystem has an apex predator which is what the fox is in this country when not hunted. Their numbers would naturally be kept in check by the availabilty of its prey. Their numbers wouldnt spiral out of control with the ban on hunting as any increase in fox polulation would also result in an increase in fox mortality due to competition for food.

It was sad to see the young children at the hunts no doubt also being told that the fox thinks its a game and has no brain. They will grow up with these same notions about keeping the "tradition" alive.

Minky 123 wrote: »

ThunderCat wrote: »

any increase in fox polulation would also result in an increase in fox mortality due to competition for food.

What type of food do you think the foxes will start competing for when they deplete there natural supply of rabbits/rats. If you ever do get the privilge of living in the countryside you would soon realise how important it is to keep the fox population under control as you would see it first hand. (lambs been taken alone would wipe out every sheep farmers profit margin so if you think of the lost revenue you would have to say it also makes economical sense to control fox)

Minky is just as intitled to his opinion as you to yours. Some debates are never ending..........

Discodog

The Big Fella wrote: »

Minky 123 wrote: »

Minky is just as intitled to his opinion as you to yours. Some debates are never ending..........

Yes but his opinions are being expressed on a forum where they are open to challenge. Some of his opinions appear to be stated as facts when there may well be other evidence that strongly contradicts this.

How many hectares of Ireland are hunted compared to the whole ?. Then add in the fact that hunting times are restricted, the hunt often gets nothing & they only get foxes that may well of died from old age/ill heath.

Anyone can see that hunting has no effect on the fox population of Ireland. It's a no win argument. If the hunters claim to get lots of foxes they appear to be threatening the population & if they claim to kill hardly any they destroy the control argument.

ISDW

The Big Fella wrote: »

Minky 123 wrote: »

Minky is just as intitled to his opinion as you to yours. Some debates are never ending..........

Definitely, but maybe without the assumptions that anyone who is opposed to blood sports lives in cities and doesn't understand.

Cherry Blossom

Minky 123 wrote: »

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Instead of answering the questions I posted on your first comment in this thread you decided to ignore them and post another load of factually incorrect information, your arguements are null and void.

<ETA>
And just before you start with the 'townie' spiel I have lived in the most rural part of Ireland my whole life except for 2 years. I also know a lot of people who fox-hunt, all of them are 'townies' and shock horror a fair few of them even live in Dublin city.

ThunderCat

Minky 123 wrote: »

What type of food do you think the foxes will start competing for when they deplete there natural supply of rabbits/rats. If you ever do get the privilge of living in the countryside you would soon realise how important it is to keep the fox population under control as you would see it first hand. (lambs been taken alone would wipe out every sheep farmers profit margin so if you think of the lost revenue you would have to say it also makes economical sense to control fox)

Thanks for the reply Minky. I wont go into where I live as it's not relevant but just in answer to your point, the natural supply of rats and rabbits will never be depleted due to the fact that foxes only reproduce once a year with a typical litter size of between 4-6 and dont reach sexual maturity until around one year of age. Rats and rabbits on the other hand reach sexual maturity in a matter of weeks rather than months or years and can be born, reproduce and have their young also reproduce all within the same year. Furthermore litter sizes in rabbits increase in areas where higher rabbit mortality rates exist. Same can be seen with birds and the way they produce more young the spring following a harsh winter in order to increase the lost polulation. Another point is that foxes naturally dont have a very long lifespan anyway.

Furthermore one of the other posters made a very valid point about the foxes range within the country and how much of it's range is actually hunted by fox hunting groups, which of course is miniscule number of acres/miles whatever you want to call it on the grand scheme of things. Factor in the fact its not done on a daily basis and not always sucessfull and the argument that fox hunting is controlling fox numbers is soon proven to be way off the mark.

kildare.17hmr

i think its about time a programe was made about these sports that didnt begine with an "anti" agenda. the guy went in knowing little r nothing about them and made his own opinion. had he have acted in the same way and been more so against the hunting and coursing most of you would be probably praising him and saying he did a great job. there was an invitation put out for people to go along and see what they are all about, they are normal people enjoying each others company and sharing a common interest.

i cringed when that fella said the fox had no brain:rolleyes:

Jim

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

i cringed when that fella said the fox had no brain:rolleyes:

Did a hunter in the program actually say that as a serious argument for hunting?

kildare.17hmr

Jim wrote: »

Did a hunter in the program actually say that as a serious argument for hunting?

he was on a bit of a rant and id say he was nervous but yeah thats what he said

Discodog

"People in the City have a totally wrong outlook on Country life"

"A fox is an animal it doesn't really have a brain."

Both comments from the same Hunter. They didn't give his name unlike most of the contributors.

Discodog

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

he was on a bit of a rant and id say he was nervous but yeah thats what he said

Sorry I just watched that bit again & he is totally calm & it wasn't a rant. By his other comments he would appear to be an active member. He made a general spiel about how good it is to get the children out on their horses etc.

SophieSakura

I'm from the country and I don't like animals being killed at all

kildare.17hmr

was half watchin that part and rewound it to make sure i heard him properly but i i thought he was on a rant

Discodog

Well it's here for all to see & judge:

https://tv3.ie/shows.php?request=thetruthabout

kildare.17hmr

i said i was only half watchin that bit i didnt say you were wrong:rolleyes:

Whispered

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

was half watchin that part and rewound it to make sure i heard him properly

I did the same. I thought "he couldn't have just tried to use that as any sort of argument"

TBH spokesmen like that do nothing for the credibility of the hunt. I appreciate people are entitled to their opinions but statements like that and "a fox doesn't feel sorry for you" really just tarnish any sort of argument a huntsman may have in my opinion

gozunda

Watched the documentary and tbh I found that was good in that it covered a broad range of issues.

It generaly potrayed coursing and mounted fox hunting as what it is - a rural activity with many adherents and supporters coming from many backgrounds and interests.

There was the use of a bit to much cliches - fox hunting people were "posh" and Anti hunting people were "hippies" :rolleyes:

That said I though Gormless speach on the steps of the Dail took the biscuit. it went along the lines of...

"I have no problem with fishing or shooting but I dont like foxhunting or coursing"...for xchrisakes Gormely - at least try and be consistant ."

Whispered

gozunda wrote: »

"I have no problem with fishing or shooting but I dont like foxhunting or coursing"...for xchrisakes Gormely - at least try and be consistant ."

Honestly though, I can understand where he gets that from.

Fishing usually involves food at the end (I don't agree with fishing for things which wont be eaten myself) and I'd be happy enough to see that happen. Certainly better than buying fish in a supermarket imo.

Shooting can be seen as necessary to control populations.

Foxhunting and coursing seems to be cruelty for the sake of fun.

So while you think it's a bit inconsistent, I think it's a commonly held view. But yes too many clichés. I'm not a hippie at all

gozunda

Whispered wrote: »

Honestly though, I can understand where he gets that from.

Fishing usually involves food at the end (I don't agree with fishing for things which wont be eaten myself) and I'd be happy enough to see that happen. Certainly better than buying fish in a supermarket imo.

Shooting can be seen as necessary to control populations.

Foxhunting and coursing seems to be cruelty for the sake of fun.

So while you think it's a bit inconsistent, I think it's a commonly held view. But yes too many clichés. I'm not a hippie at all

but I like hippies No seriouslythough, recreational fishing (ie catch & release") could soon face huge restrictions or even banning if EU new proposed regulations are brought in. There is a massive move against this type of fishing due to a number of studies carried out in recent years.

The problem I have with shooting is that unless the shooter is highly skilled shooting something as small as a fox at the normal distance often involves a misshot. Foxes killed by hounds die quickly. They do not crawl away and endure a lingering death.

That said shooting has its place where carried out correctly.

Fox Hunting is not and has never been about eradicating foxes or large-scale population control or fun - hunts hunt to cull sick, old and "problematic foxes" such as ones preying on livestock

Discodog

gozunda wrote: »

but I like hippies No seriouslythough, recreational fishing (ie catch & release") could soon face huge restrictions or even banning if EU new proposed regulations are brought in. There is a massive move against this type of fishing due to a number of studies carried out in recent years.

I read that the revised quota system will not effect recreational Angling in any way so can you provide a link ?.

gozunda wrote: »

Foxes killed by hounds die quickly. They do not crawl away and endure a lingering death.

Even if the death is quick the events leading up to it can last for hours whilst the fox is chased. So it's not really a quick death.

gozunda wrote: »

Fox Hunting is not and has never been about eradicating foxes or large-scale population control or fun - hunts hunt to cull sick, old and "problematic foxes" such as ones preying on livestock

Hunters claim that fox hunting is essential for control. Several hunters state this in the program. Hunts don't cull. They are not trying to weed out the weakest to improve the population. They kill some foxes on their hunting area which is tiny & within a very short time other foxes will move in. If they only kill sick & old foxes then it makes hunting even less justifiable.

Itsdacraic

Discodog wrote: »

The aspect that was well controlled was the threatening refusal to allow the camera in & the way that fences were erected to hide the Coursing field. If it is all above board then why hide it ?. They were well organised in that the ICC realised that this was a PR disaster & agreed to allow filming at another site, once they were sure that nothing unsavoury would be on view.

I have always lived in the countryside & it's not part of my society.

The reason he wasn't given admission to Edenderry is because the organisers had seen him with the anti's and assumed he was filming on behalf of them. These are the same anti's that put broken glass all over the coursing field there a few years ago, so they can easily be excused for not wanting them (or someone they thought was associated with them) within the venue. Edenderry have a particular problem with militant animal rights activists so their field is more enclosed.

Galway K9

Discodog wrote: »

Yep he was spouting the same on Newstalk today. I tend to find his reporting to be incredibly low key & so laid back that it seems like he can't be bothered.

Because hes not i recon.

gozunda

Discodog wrote: »

I read that the revised quota system will not effect recreational Angling in any way so can you provide a link ?.

Nothing to do with quota system ...follows from ban of Catch & release in Switzerland and EU studies
Check out: http://fishing.about.com/od/fishingonthebank/a/Swiss_Catch.htm

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/scdocs/doc/ahaw_op_ej954_generalfishwelfare_en.pdf

Discodog wrote: »

Even if the death is quick the events leading up to it can last for hours whilst the fox is chased. So it's not really a quick death.

On a hunt the average "run" for any individual fox is between 15-30 minutes not "hours". A hunt may last some hours but a lot of this time is spent navigating roads, ditches and waiting around for the hounds to find.

Discodog wrote: »

Hunters claim that fox hunting is essential for control. Several hunters state this in the program. Hunts don't cull. They are not trying to weed out the weakest to improve the population. They kill some foxes on their hunting area which is tiny & within a very short time other foxes will move in. If they only kill sick & old foxes then it makes hunting even less justifiable.

This is an misunderstanding of what is meant by "control". Fox Hunting is not and has never been about eradicating foxes or large-scale population control - hunts hunt to cull sick, old and "problematic foxes" such as ones preying on livestock. This is the form of control that is refered to.

A young healthy fox will outrun and "outfox" hounds on nearly every occasion. This is how sick and old individuals are sucessfully hunted - these are the foxes that cause the most predation in domestic animals as they are less capable of fending for themselves hunting wild prey.

Discodog

gozunda wrote: »

Nothing to do with quota system ...follows from ban of Catch & release in Switzerland and EU studies
Check out: http://fishing.about.com/od/fishingonthebank/a/Swiss_Catch.htm

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/scdocs/doc/ahaw_op_ej954_generalfishwelfare_en.pdf



On a hunt the average "run" for any individual fox is between 15-30 minutes not "hours". A hunt may last some hours but a lot of this time is spent navigating roads, ditches and waiting around for the hounds to find.



This is an misunderstanding of what is meant by "control". Fox Hunting is not and has never been about eradicating foxes or large-scale population control - hunts hunt to cull sick, old and "problematic foxes" such as ones preying on livestock. This is the form of control that is refered to.

A young healthy fox will outrun and "outfox" hounds on nearly every occasion. This is how sick and old individuals are sucessfully hunted - these are the foxes that cause the most predation in domestic animals as they are less capable of fending for themselves hunting wild prey. Selective culling of foxes means that a more healthy population is maintained

Thanks for the link. I have answered the rest of your post via the duplicate that you posted in the Hunting Ban thread. Needless to say I totally disagree with you.

gozunda

Discodog wrote: »

Thanks for the link. I have answered the rest of your post via the duplicate that you posted in the Hunting Ban thread. Needless to say I totally disagree with you.

No problem You are welcome. This is not a duplicate post. Refered to TV3 Programme here - and then gave facts based on queries posted. Facts dont change! No problem with held opinion though.

Discodog

Itsdacraic wrote: »

The reason he wasn't given admission to Edenderry is because the organisers had seen him with the anti's and assumed he was filming on behalf of them. These are the same anti's that put broken glass all over the coursing field there a few years ago, so they can easily be excused for not wanting them (or someone they thought was associated with them) within the venue. Edenderry have a particular problem with militant animal rights activists so their field is more enclosed.

So they didn't recognise him or TV3 :rolleyes:. They will of seen the crew outside. They knew who it was & he made it clear that he was not anti-hunting. If they had let him in they could of explained about their problems with the protesters. The reality is they could not let him in because there were things that they didn't want seen & they didn't have ICC clearance.

They could make the field secure without all the polythene screening to hide what's going on, if they had nothing to hide.

So you are publicly accusing ARAN of spreading broken glass ?.

Galway K9

Discodog wrote: »

So they didn't recognise him or TV3 :rolleyes:. They will of seen the crew outside. They knew who it was & he made it clear that he was not anti-hunting. If they had let him in they could of explained about their problems with the protesters. The reality is they could not let him in because there were things that they didn't want seen & they didn't have ICC clearance.

They could make the field secure without all the polythene screening to hide what's going on, if they had nothing to hide.

So you are publicly accusing ARAN of spreading broken glass ?.

Disco what's ICC? some sort of regulatory body for foxes im persuming?

Whispered

Galway K9 wrote: »

Disco what's ICC? some sort of regulatory body for foxes im persuming?

I think it's Irish Coursing Club

Itsdacraic

Discodog wrote: »

So they didn't recognise him or TV3 :rolleyes:. They will of seen the crew outside. They knew who it was & he made it clear that he was not anti-hunting. If they had let him in they could of explained about their problems with the protesters. The reality is they could not let him in because there were things that they didn't want seen & they didn't have ICC clearance.

They could make the field secure without all the polythene screening to hide what's going on, if they had nothing to hide.

So you are publicly accusing ARAN of spreading broken glass ?.

You might be so kind as to point where I accused ARAN of anything?

Discodog

Itsdacraic wrote: »

The reason he wasn't given admission to Edenderry is because the organisers had seen him with the anti's and assumed he was filming on behalf of them. These are the same anti's that put broken glass all over the coursing field there a few years ago, so they can easily be excused for not wanting them (or someone they thought was associated with them) within the venue. Edenderry have a particular problem with militant animal rights activists so their field is more enclosed.

The only "anti's" shown in the film were ARAN.

Itsdacraic

Discodog wrote: »

The only "anti's" shown in the film were ARAN.

I was using anti's in the general sense.

It's been a bad few months for the anti's.
First their political party was essentially wiped out, and now the myths and lies they try to spread about coursing have been exposed on national television.

willielovesall

Hi I'm a fox and I love being chased by a pack of hounds who are threatening to tear my body apart with their razor sharp teeth. Oh, the shrill barks of the hounds crashing the air around me send thrills throughout my body. I love when you hunters dig up my tunnel and shoot all my cubs. I love being terrified and confused with the fact that dogs and hunters are killing me for no reason but for fun. Sure I think its hilarious being shot at and chased through ditches and wide fields. Sure at the end of the day who am i? I'm just a fox that tried to eek out a living in this cruel world and deserved to die! Why did I deserve to be hunted and murdered? don't ask me I don't know!!:rolleyes:sure its only a bit of craic;)

gozunda

willielovesall wrote: »

Hi I'm a fox and I love being chased by a pack of hounds who are threatening to tear my body apart with their razor sharp teeth. Oh, the shrill barks of the hounds crashing the air around me send thrills throughout my body. I love when you hunters dig up my tunnel and shoot all my cubs. I love being terrified and confused with the fact that dogs and hunters are killing me for no reason but for fun. Sure I think its hilarious being shot at and chased through ditches and wide fields. Sure at the end of the day who am i? I'm just a fox that tried to eek out a living in this cruel world and deserved to die! Why did I deserve to be hunted and murdered? don't ask me I don't know!!:rolleyes:sure its only a bit of craic;)

Wow - a fox with a computer and internet access!