The Mixed Race Society?

Denerick

The western world is getting older and the postwar baby boomers are beginning to retire. Our demographics are changing dramatically and there are not enough young people to sustain and pay for such an aging population. It seems to me that the west faces two long term choices; 1) Keep doing what we're doing and therefore face genteel decline or 2) Encourage unprecedented levels of immigration from developing countries with surplus youth populations.

The effects of this are obvious. In Britain the largest ethnic minority are mixed race - children of mixed black/brown/white parentage.

In America white people will cease to be the dominant ethnic group sometime this century.

While one half of the globe is seeing a levelling off of population, developing countries are experiencing a population explosion. The Arab world has anywhere between 35-50% of people under the age of 30. Africa is expected to have over 2 billion people by the end of the century. Most Asian countries have managed their population explosions over the last half century. Many have significant gender imbalances, creating a situation when tens of millions of men will be bachelors because there aren't enough women to go round.

It seems to me that the most logical solution to all of this will be a mixed race global society within the next 200 years, which will probably accompany a steady decline of the traditional nation state and the associated rise of regional blocs (The EU, The AU, ASEAN etc.) With this broader, more globally minded outlook in place, traditional barriers of race and migration will break down, and it is likely that intermarriage between racial groups will become as common as marriage within racial groups is.

I have to say, I quite like the idea that my great great great great great grandchildren will live in a world where race really doesn't matter - because most citizens of the globe will be one race anyway.

Or is this just a utopian ramble?

Fo Real

I must say, Denerick, that a mixed race society is my idea of hell. White people are special and unique in this world. The phenotypic variation among whites compared to other races is astounding and beautiful - red hair to blonde to hazel to brunette to black. The range of eye colours and other facial features varies widely too. The rest of the world appears boring and bland in contrast with their dark skin, black hair and brown eyes. In a mixed race society, humans lose individuality. We all look alike and none of the unique "white features" are preserved.

Other races try to emulate white beauty with coloured contact lenses, skin lightening creams, hair straighteners. It seems they too can appreciate the uniqueness of our race.

Regarding your point about the growing populations in developing countries: this growth is gradually slowing. Coincidentally, I have the current issue of TIME in front of me here. On page 41 a statistic is highlighted which reads that in 1960, 7 children was the average per Middle Eatern woman. Today it's 3. (Sorry I've no online reference).

I don't mind other races immigrating here to serve us. But this doesn't mean we must interbreed with them.

I will add politely (I'll be careful as I realise I'm treading on thin ice here) that I take a guilty delight in seeing natural disaters cull the populations of other races -famines in Africa, earthquakes in Japan, tsunamis in South East Asia. I see it as a "victory" for the white man.

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Denerick

Fo Real wrote: »

I will add politely (I'll be careful as I realise I'm treading on thin ice here) that I take a guilty delight in seeing natural disaters cull the populations of other races -famines in Africa, earthquakes in Japan, tsunamis in South East Asia. I see it as a "victory" for the white man.

Jesus Christ of almighty

old hippy

Disgusting tripe. Unfortunately, Den, there are individuals out there with very warped views but don't let it put you off wishing for a utopia. I wish for one too, free from the hatreds espoused earlier.

looksee

Was he serious? I thought it was ill advised irony. Or something.

Denerick

No, unfortunately he was quite serious. He has come out with stuff quite like that a lot previously. Personally I thought it was just black comedy, but I'm pretty sure that was a genuine statement on his part. Which is quite sad really; sad that someone can hold such evil and despicable opinions as that, and sad that such a person (Clearly lacking in any emotional or actual intelligence) can get a degree from TCD.

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old hippy

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Ye gods. Sends shivers down the spine.

Yes to a world where race, sexuality et al does not matter. We have the BNP over here and I remember the ICP back home. These are frightened people who, for whatever reason, seek to promote their fear and ignorance. The utopia is evidently not for them but I shall still keep a pint, should they wish to come in from their own self imposed exile.

Peace.

CleetusJones

IMO a nice idea, but a Utopian one all the same, societies will always find a reason why they are better than others, and discriminate accordingly.

Today it's colour/ sex/ religion/ sexual orientation, the world of tomorrow will only bring new reasons,
in a world where the genome is mapped and advances allow us to further understand it, it's not a step to far to see how whole new groupings could be discriminated against

even simple things such as access to technology/ information could lead to new divisions

old hippy

CleetusJones wrote: »

IMO a nice idea, but a Utopian one all the same, societies will always find a reason why they are better than others, and discriminate accordingly.

Today it's colour/ sex/ religion/ sexual orientation, the world of tomorrow will only bring new reasons,
in a world where the genome is mapped and advances allow us to further understand it, it's not a step to far to see how whole new groupings could be discriminated against

even simple things such as access to technology/ information could lead to new divisions

Brother, divisions are only there for those who actively seek them. I'm not living in cloud cuckoo land but I've seen enough to know that we can get along and be harmonious, despite those who would warn us otherwise.

Denerick

CleetusJones wrote: »

IMO a nice idea, but a Utopian one all the same, societies will always find a reason why they are better than others, and discriminate accordingly.

Today it's colour/ sex/ religion/ sexual orientation, the world of tomorrow will only bring new reasons,
in a world where the genome is mapped and advances allow us to further understand it, it's not a step to far to see how whole new groupings could be discriminated against

even simple things such as access to technology/ information could lead to new divisions

My point primarily rests on demographic change.

Put bluntly and broadly, the west is in demographic decline. In order to maintain standards of living it needs to acquire millions of young migrants to come along and fill the balance. It is assumed that given the cosmopolitan society this would create that intermarriage between racial groups will become customary. Now that is an assumption that may well be flawed. For example, intermarriage between whites and blacks in the US is insignificant but is widespread between Hispanics and whites. Why this is, I'm not really sure.

looksee

I think there is a difference between people coming from different racial, religeous and societal backgrounds who have grown up in separate countries, and those who belong to different groupings within a country.

If two people come from different countries they might be able to accept each other's differences and embrace them, equally they could find that they have so many choices and concessions to make that it stresses a relationship. If they have grown up in the same country at least they have a point of contact, though there could still be issues - generally cultural and religious.

I am not aware of any negative physical implications for mixed race marriages, in fact broadening the gene pool is generally considered a good thing. It is a bit difficult therefore to understand the universal preference for marrying within a society

dsmythy

The 'west' may become more mixed but the realist in me suggests people will always find something to differentiate themselves from others. A mixed 'west' might find itself stared down by a more homogenous Han Chinese population for example. Someone has already mentioned our better understanding of genes into the future which could open up all new levels of perception of difference.

Chuchoter

I think it would be kind of boring if everyone looked the same and I think its nice that everyone has a history and culture that is their own, but I don't know, I could be misreading the question. I worry more about mass immigration in terms of what cultures and religions the people bring with them, that they would be incredibly conservative or something.

Boskowski

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I have a question with regards to this and first of all let me say I find such an opinion despicable myself - i feel indeed quite strongly about it as I'm sure most people do - and I'm also not discussing the mod decision as it surely reflects the forum rules.

However...

...regardless of how racist, backward, sexist or horrible ones opinion may be, should - in a truly liberal society - one not be entitled to express it? Does freedom of speech not mean that it should protect the right to express 'minority' opinions?

Denerick

Boskowski wrote: »

...regardless of how racist, backward, sexist or horrible ones opinion may be, should - in a truly liberal society - one not be entitled to express it? Does freedom of speech not mean that it should protect the right to express 'minority' opinions?

He has a right to express it on his own website, his own newspaper, his own political rally. The owners of boards.ie do not operate in a liberal utopia.

Boskowski

Denerick wrote: »

He has a right to express it on his own website, his own newspaper, his own political rally. The owners of boards.ie do not operate in a liberal utopia.

Like I said I'm not debating that and actually agree. I'm coming more from humanities pov. But I guess you answered that too.

old hippy

Boskowski wrote: »

I have a question with regards to this and first of all let me say I find such an opinion despicable myself - i feel indeed quite strongly about it as I'm sure most people do - and I'm also not discussing the mod decision as it surely reflects the forum rules.

However...

...regardless of how racist, backward, sexist or horrible ones opinion may be, should - in a truly liberal society - one not be entitled to express it? Does freedom of speech not mean that it should protect the right to express 'minority' opinions?

Meh. There's a paedophile party in Holland. If one existed here, would you be comfortable with people espousing its values here? I wouldn't.

cookies221

What's the point in having this forum if we all have to agree with the OP and have the same opinion? Is it the way Fo Real expressed his opinion?

eg. I disagree with race interbreeding = fine.
I disagree with race interbreeding for the following reasons = ban..?

old hippy

cookies221 wrote: »

What's the point in having this forum if we all have to agree with the OP and have the same opinion? Is it the way Fo Real expressed his opinion?

eg. I disagree with race interbreeding = fine.
I disagree with race interbreeding for the following reasons = ban..?

It's the kind of fancy speak that was fashionable in parts of Europe in the 30s that is reprehensible to most folk, complete with the rejoicing in loss of life and idea that races besides caucasian are nothing more than servile.

Fo Real has very dangerous ideas. In hindsight it's a pity he's banned. Better to give him space to vent here rather than the real world.

Boskowski

old hippy wrote: »

It's the kind of fancy speak that was fashionable in parts of Europe in the 30s that is reprehensible to most folk, complete with the rejoicing in loss of life and idea that races besides caucasian are nothing more than servile.

These ideas have been 'fashionable' all throughout history, for instance in the US well into the seventies and even eighties. The Germans in the thirties just have followed through to the extreme if you like.

I'm very hopeful that one of the positive aspects of globalisation will be that we truly overcome this.

However history repeats itself and nowadays it's the Arabs who have become unfashionable thankfully though not in any way to a similar extent and surely that will wane off. My point is that's it's there though. You get banned for saying all <insert race> <insert derogatory adjective>, but it's ok in places like AH (and others) to say all Arabs are mad terrorists.

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Humans eh!

Fo Real wrote: »

I don't mind other races immigrating here to serve us. But this doesn't mean we must interbreed with them.

I will add politely (I'll be careful as I realise I'm treading on thin ice here) that I take a guilty delight in seeing natural disaters cull the populations of other races -famines in Africa, earthquakes in Japan, tsunamis in South East Asia. I see it as a "victory" for the white man.

:eek: WTF????????????
Entitled to an opinion ... But WTF?????

SharpshooterTom

Denerick wrote:

It seems to me that the most logical solution to all of this will be a mixed race global society within the next 200 years, which will probably accompany a steady decline of the traditional nation state and the associated rise of regional blocs (The EU, The AU, ASEAN etc.) With this broader, more globally minded outlook in place, traditional barriers of race and migration will break down, and it is likely that intermarriage between racial groups will become as common as marriage within racial groups is.

We need a one world government. I like a lot of other Irish people are sick and tired of the concept of having nation states. I personally don't consider myself Irish, just human. It means I have to buy into the idea of a nationality otherwise.

A one world government is our only hope to tackle problems together such as overpopulation, prevention of wars, climate change etc. It needs to happen for the exsistance of the human race to continue IMO.

I also think Europe and Ireland in particular is too white, racial wise. I agree with Gerry Adams in that Ireland needs more black people, preferably a couple of million of them or so and then pass a law something for Irish marry someone of a different ethnicity (although that might be quite extreme) but we do need to enure a mixed race society at some point for tolerance. Preferably quite quickly because thats the way the world IS going after all.

Denerick wrote:

I have to say, I quite like the idea that my great great great great great grandchildren will live in a world where race really doesn't matter - because most citizens of the globe will be one race anyway.

Or is this just a utopian ramble?

It WILL happen anyway, so get used to it, don't bother waving a tricolour and saying how "proud" you are to be irish because that's going out of fashion now. Nation states must be crushed.

old hippy

Dunno bout crushing them but just coming to terms with the facts; we all came from Africa and we are all one people.

The isolated, frigthtened supremacists will continue with their propaganda but hopefully it will fall on deaf ears.

Pride in unity should be the thing, world unity that is.

Bottle_of_Smoke

In Britain the largest ethnic minority are mixed race

Interesting comment, but they're not really one ethnic minority so can't really be described that way. Like someone half Pakistani/half white has no connection to someone half Chinese half Black. And in those cases the person mostly just looks Pakistani and Black respectively. As the twats on stormfront put it "one drop of mud in a bucket of water turns it brown"

As for your totalitarian one world government plan - Definitely a possibility long term. Though could see "new" races developing. Supposedly Chindians (ethnic malays/hindu immigrant mix in Malaysia) are very attractive, could see people choosing to "make" the most most successful offspring where possible

Emme

Gnobe wrote: »

I also think Europe and Ireland in particular is too white, racial wise. I agree with Gerry Adams in that Ireland needs more black people, preferably a couple of million of them or so and then pass a law something for Irish marry someone of a different ethnicity (although that might be quite extreme) but we do need to enure a mixed race society at some point for tolerance. Preferably quite quickly because thats the way the world IS going after all.

It WILL happen anyway, so get used to it, don't bother waving a tricolour and saying how "proud" you are to be irish because that's going out of fashion now. Nation states must be crushed.

There are certainly some thought-provoking views being posted on this thread, particularly the above and Fo Real's opinion (which was barbaric in parts). However, Gnobe's opinion could be seen as equally extreme but in a different way. Both Fo Real and Gnobe have a right to their opinions but nobody should comment on world disasters in a sickening way.

In my opinion Ireland doesn't "need" any more or any fewer people of a particular colour or ethnicity, what it does "need" are people who are willing to contribute to society here, get this country working and on its feet again. These people could be from anywhere in the world.

I welcome the idea of Irish people mixing with other nationalities, it really shows that we've come a long way. In the past it was frowned upon for Catholics and Protestants to marry in this country. When they did it often led to upheaval within a community, ie Fethard-on-Sea in Co. Wexford.

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Emme

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In Ireland there was a Ne Temere decree which compelled Catholics marrying Protestants to raise all children Catholic - similar in a way to the above laws. We were told what to do and who to marry in this country for long enough by church and state - people in a democratic and liberal society should be allowed to marry the partner of their choice wherever they come from, and whether they are of the opposite or the same gender.

Denerick

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To be fair I read that comment as tongue in cheek; I agree with the overall thrust of his argument, if not the proposed remedies.

MagicMarker

There will always be a minority, and therein lies the problem. If it's not one thing it's another.

caseyann

Denerick wrote: »

The western world is getting older and the postwar baby boomers are beginning to retire. Our demographics are changing dramatically and there are not enough young people to sustain and pay for such an aging population. It seems to me that the west faces two long term choices; 1) Keep doing what we're doing and therefore face genteel decline or 2) Encourage unprecedented levels of immigration from developing countries with surplus youth populations.

The effects of this are obvious. In Britain the largest ethnic minority are mixed race - children of mixed black/brown/white parentage.

In America white people will cease to be the dominant ethnic group sometime this century.

While one half of the globe is seeing a levelling off of population, developing countries are experiencing a population explosion. The Arab world has anywhere between 35-50% of people under the age of 30. Africa is expected to have over 2 billion people by the end of the century. Most Asian countries have managed their population explosions over the last half century. Many have significant gender imbalances, creating a situation when tens of millions of men will be bachelors because there aren't enough women to go round.

It seems to me that the most logical solution to all of this will be a mixed race global society within the next 200 years, which will probably accompany a steady decline of the traditional nation state and the associated rise of regional blocs (The EU, The AU, ASEAN etc.) With this broader, more globally minded outlook in place, traditional barriers of race and migration will break down, and it is likely that intermarriage between racial groups will become as common as marriage within racial groups is.

I have to say, I quite like the idea that my great great great great great grandchildren will live in a world where race really doesn't matter - because most citizens of the globe will be one race anyway.

Or is this just a utopian ramble?

I find it racist you would like to see black and white and Asian and Chinese and Japanese mixed altogether and rubbing your hands with glee at the end of beauty of difference.And wishing for the end of peoples cultures and looks.

What a boring ass world that would be.lol

Denerick

caseyann wrote: »

I find it racist you would like to see black and white and Asian and Chinese and Japanese mixed altogether and rubbing your hands with glee at the end of beauty of difference.And wishing for the end of peoples cultures and looks.

What a boring ass world that would be.lol

There will always be 'beauty of difference', but since mankind hasn't come to terms with the colour spectrum in its history as yet - we are conditioned to see someone based on their skin colour, even if we aren't racist we still acknowledge a difference. Put simply, I look forward to a time when people really are colour blind, because through a combination of economic necessity and gradual intermarriage all the present races will combine to create a new, mixed race society.

Its nothing particularly new. Many Latin Americans are mixed race. Race isn't a major issue in Brazil as the majority of the population are brownish. There are still many genetically white and black people but the larger group are brown, who have both white and black ancestors. (And some indigenous blood in there too)

Emme

Denerick wrote: »

There will always be 'beauty of difference', but since mankind hasn't come to terms with the colour spectrum in its history as yet - we are conditioned to see someone based on their skin colour, even if we aren't racist we still acknowledge a difference. Put simply, I look forward to a time when people really are colour blind, because through a combination of economic necessity and gradual intermarriage all the present races will combine to create a new, mixed race society.

Its nothing particularly new. Many Latin Americans are mixed race. Race isn't a major issue in Brazil as the majority of the population are brownish. There are still many genetically white and black people but the larger group are brown, who have both white and black ancestors. (And some indigenous blood in there too)

There is diversity within each racial group. For example, Black comes in many shades (look closely at Africans from different parts of the continent) and I'm not being crude, but we don't want people to go the way of fruit and vegetables which are largely bred for uniformity of colour, shape and size.

Iwasfrozen

Emme wrote: »

There is diversity within each racial group. For example, Black comes in many shades (look closely at Africans from different parts of the continent) and I'm not being crude, but we don't want people to go the way of fruit and vegetables which are largely bred for uniformity of colour, shape and size.

Africa is the continent with the largest variation of sink colour in the world, I think Europe has the least. Which isn't surprising considering there is more genetic difference between villages in Africa then there are between us and Russians.

Nobody wants to "breed" humans for anything, we're saying that certain demographic realities mean that unless the entire European Union embraces isolationism interbreeding of various races is going to be a fact of life. And that isn't a bad thing, we already know that increasing the gene pool leads to stronger more intelligent children. Also don't forget interbreeding leads to variation, there are literally thousands of different ethnic groups in the world and millions of possible combinations. The future world will be anything but bland.

This increased interbreeding, greater mobility, rising chinese/indian middle classes and increased secularism may well lead to calls for a one world world government, which in my opinion would be brilliant. The differences of rich and poor that exist in this world would never be allowed in any single nation.

amacachi

Denerick wrote: »

There will always be 'beauty of difference', but since mankind hasn't come to terms with the colour spectrum in its history as yet - we are conditioned to see someone based on their skin colour, even if we aren't racist we still acknowledge a difference. Put simply, I look forward to a time when people really are colour blind, because through a combination of economic necessity and gradual intermarriage all the present races will combine to create a new, mixed race society.

Its nothing particularly new. Many Latin Americans are mixed race. Race isn't a major issue in Brazil as the majority of the population are brownish. There are still many genetically white and black people but the larger group are brown, who have both white and black ancestors. (And some indigenous blood in there too)

I thought that the "purer" natives and the darker-skinned made up the majority of the poor and subsistence farming in South America? I'm open to correction but I've noticed in motor racing and other sports that generally take money to get a break in (so not soccer really) that most South Americans who make it would look maybe slightly mediterranean but would pass for European.

Emme

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nobody wants to "breed" humans for anything, we're saying that certain demographic realities mean that unless the entire European Union embraces isolationism interbreeding of various races is going to be a fact of life. And that isn't a bad thing, we already know that increasing the gene pool leads to stronger more intelligent children. Also don't forget interbreeding leads to variation, there are literally thousands of different ethnic groups in the world and millions of possible combinations. The future world will be anything but bland.

This increased interbreeding, greater mobility, rising chinese/indian middle classes and increased secularism may well lead to calls for a one world world government, which in my opinion would be brilliant. The differences of rich and poor that exist in this world would never be allowed in any single nation.

I thought that interbreeding of various races in Europe is already a fact of life and has been for some time - not very long in Ireland but it has been happening for one or two generations in other European countries.

Whatever about the benefits of increased genetic diversity, I'm not sure that I would like a one-world-government, that concept feels alien and sinister to me. Power corrupts.

If you have a one-world-government controlling a mass of billions of people they would need to be easy to control. It is highly likely that there would be a very sheltered and obscenely privileged elite at the top of such a one-world-government with everybody else as part of a mass existing in near slavery and starvation, people in such a state would be easier to control.

In fact, the masses under such a regime could well exist in a state of poverty similar to the plight of people in today's poorest countries. The larger the population of a country, the greater the gap between rich and poor - for example India, China and the United States. It follows that if the world is one country then the same rule would follow.

We certainly wouldn't have a utopian "great big happy melting pot" society, instead most of us would be working extremely hard to make a tiny obscenely wealthy elite even wealthier. It's possible that genetic engineering could be introduced in time to make the elite hyperintelligent and the masses more malleable.

Aldous Huxley's Brave New World and Brave New World Revisited would be thought-provoking reading for anybody interested in the concept of a one-world society.

ronan45

A recent observation:

Last St Patricks day i got the bus to the city centre. Have not been on a bus in ten years! I looked around in awe...about 50% where african, and asian all having a great time.
Had their Irish flags, green clothes of various sorts. Even a little Chinese guy about 8 with a total Dublin accent said "HAPPY PADDYS DAY MISTA" and gave me a shamrock (he had a small clump of them)
Also on the bus a few seats ahead where an Irish guy and asian girl who were obviously boyfriend and girlfriend.
I thought it was REALLY REALLY nice to see! Lifted my spirits
Great to see different races and cultures blend
As for those thoughts earlier from that other "gent" how vary narrow minded and ignorant

caseyann

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Africa is the continent with the largest variation of sink colour in the world, I think Europe has the least. Which isn't surprising considering there is more genetic difference between villages in Africa then there are between us and Russians.

Nobody wants to "breed" humans for anything, we're saying that certain demographic realities mean that unless the entire European Union embraces isolationism interbreeding of various races is going to be a fact of life. And that isn't a bad thing, we already know that increasing the gene pool leads to stronger more intelligent children. Also don't forget interbreeding leads to variation, there are literally thousands of different ethnic groups in the world and millions of possible combinations. The future world will be anything but bland.

This increased interbreeding, greater mobility, rising chinese/indian middle classes and increased secularism may well lead to calls for a one world world government, which in my opinion would be brilliant. The differences of rich and poor that exist in this world would never be allowed in any single nation.

Africans have the highest forms of skin variation in the world? What planet are you living on? Have you been to Africa much?
In Africa also they have the highest form of racism to eachother in the world,in the form of tribal,religious and skin colour and social status and sexual status.
Lmao wow.interbreeding with relatives and creating babies may cause genetic defects,sorry to burst your bubble but intelligence comes from study and concentration abilities and self determination.
Having kids with different races doesn't make kids more intelligent.
And the difference between poor and rich will live on and on as it has for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Mixing outside your race doesnt change people from being greedy dominating or cruel.
Diversity of culture language and religion and looks makes life that more interesting.
The one world government you speak of is already alive in form of the UN.Havent you see that?
Personally i may abide by the laws of the land out of respect for people and be forced into it because otherwise prison.But i recognize no one as government of me.

Iwasfrozen

caseyann wrote: »

Africans have the highest forms of skin variation in the world? What planet are you living on? Have you been to Africa much?
In Africa also they have the highest form of racism to eachother in the world,in the form of tribal,religious and skin colour and social status and sexual status.

There is greater variation in skin colour in Africa then any other continent in the world, and here's proof. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11126724

caseyann wrote: »

Lmao wow.interbreeding with relatives and creating babies may cause genetic defects,sorry to burst your bubble but intelligence comes from study and concentration abilities and self determination.
Having kids with different races doesn't make kids more intelligent.

Here's a study that was done on the effects of increased genetic diversity in human populations. It's a bit long winded but if you paragraph of the results section it shows there is a link between increased genetic diversity and overall health.

caseyann wrote: »

And the difference between poor and rich will live on and on as it has for hundreds and hundreds of years.

The differences between rich and poor in the world is absolutely huge, much greater then would ever be tolerated in any single country. That's what I'm basing my logic on.

caseyann wrote: »

Diversity of culture language and religion and looks makes life that more interesting.

There are thousands of minority races in the world with literally millions of different combinations. Believe me, increasing genetic diversity would not lead to homogeneous appearances.

caseyann wrote: »

The one world government you speak of is already alive in form of the UN.Havent you see that?

Lol, the UN is not a government. I mean a real state.

caseyann wrote: »

Personally i may abide by the laws of the land out of respect for people and be forced into it because otherwise prison.But i recognize no one as government of me.

What? I not being smart of anything I genuinely didn't get that.

caseyann

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

There is greater variation in skin colour in Africa then any other continent in the world, and here's proof. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11126724


Here's a study that was done on the effects of increased genetic diversity in human populations. It's a bit long winded but if you paragraph of the results section it shows there is a link between increased genetic diversity and overall health.


The differences between rich and poor in the world is absolutely huge, much greater then would ever be tolerated in any single country. That's what I'm basing my logic on.


There are thousands of minority races in the world with literally millions of different combinations. Believe me, increasing genetic diversity would not lead to homogeneous appearances.


Lol, the UN is not a government. I mean a real state.


What? I not being smart of anything I genuinely didn't get that.

We will have to agree to disagree.


I mean with the last part i have a issue with Irish government as it is and i most certainly am not going to trust government bodies from other states.
Look how thats going for the EU already.And no government especially a government as lets face it they are only in it for the money and the perks and the being in charge like the romans.
Romans i believe would be a prime example along with Yugoslavia of whats wrong with governments ruling people with different ideals and cultures.
I mean Africa cant even get on with eachother.
Diversity and separation of countries is because each country has different ideals and cultures and needs.
But thats a whole different thread.
As for tests such as that i could go out and test the higher intelligent people here in Ireland who are generation after generation on both sides of the families all Irish and then come to the conclusion of its better to stay with your own.
And good health is a matter of taking care of yourself,nothing genetic in that either.

Count Duckula

caseyann wrote: »

I mean with the last part i have a issue with Irish government as it is and i most certainly am not going to trust government bodies from other states. Look how thats going for the EU already.And no government especially a government as lets face it they are only in it for the money and the perks and the being in charge like the romans.
Romans i believe would be a prime example along with Yugoslavia of whats wrong with governments ruling people with different ideals and cultures.
I mean Africa cant even get on with eachother.

Africa cant even get on with eachother? Disregarding the abomination that makes up your attempt at the English language there, are you implying that - out of all the examples - if Africans can't get along then there's no hope? Because, on a continent of over a billion people with vastly different cultures, religions and ethnicities, they're all so bloody similar that if they can't do it then us completely different folk stand no chance.

Astounding.

Not to mention, say what you will about their definition of classes and someone's place in society, but in terms of culture and races the Romans were actually very good. A lowly Celt could become a fully-fledged Roman citizen in time, whilst still essentially keeping his or her own way of life and his or her own religion. Their women were far more liberated than most women throughout history, and they didn't give a flying feck what your skin colour or background was as long as you were an elusive "citizen". Emperor Trajan was Spanish!

caseyann wrote: »

As for tests such as that i could go out and test the higher intelligent people here in Ireland who are generation after generation on both sides of the families all Irish and then come to the conclusion of its better to stay with your own.

I suppose you could, but you'd be wrong. I could see that the sun is yellow and therefore conclude it was made of butter. Wouldn't make me right; just moronic.

caseyann wrote: »

And good health is a matter of taking care of yourself,nothing genetic in that either.

Yeh, that's also not true. Whilst you obviously need to take care of yourself in order to live a long and healthy life, there's a hefty dose of genetics in there too.

Your post is so riddled with sensational ignorance, that if I were to simply cut it all out there'd be nothing left.

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caseyann

Count Duckula wrote: »

Africa cant even get on with eachother? Disregarding the abomination that makes up your attempt at the English language there, are you implying that - out of all the examples - if Africans can't get along then there's no hope? Because, on a continent of over a billion people with vastly different cultures, religions and ethnicities, they're all so bloody similar that if they can't do it then us completely different folk stand no chance.

Astounding.

Not to mention, say what you will about their definition of classes and someone's place in society, but in terms of culture and races the Romans were actually very good. A lowly Celt could become a fully-fledged Roman citizen in time, whilst still essentially keeping his or her own way of life and his or her own religion. Their women were far more liberated than most women throughout history, and they didn't give a flying feck what your skin colour or background was as long as you were an elusive "citizen". Emperor Trajan was Spanish!



I suppose you could, but you'd be wrong. I could see that the sun is yellow and therefore conclude it was made of butter. Wouldn't make me right; just moronic.



Yeh, that's also not true. Whilst you obviously need to take care of yourself in order to live a long and healthy life, there's a hefty dose of genetics in there too.

Your post is so riddled with sensational ignorance, that if I were to simply cut it all out there'd be nothing left.

Ah so its not racism to say people would like to see whites and blacks and oriental etc.. mixed,and that white people and black and oriental etc.... people need to be mixed to become more intelligent good looking and healthy is not racist?

Romans the lovely people who enslaved and threw people to the lions and persecuted people for having different religion to them.And plundered countries and tried to turn the world to their ways or no ways.Yes how wonderful they are.
Sad it is that people believe fixing race issue is by mixing it up lol
Backwards is the world going from semi slavery into full out slavery and dictatorship.

Byron85

caseyann wrote: »

We will have to agree to disagree.



As for tests such as that i could go out and test the higher intelligent people here in Ireland who are generation after generation on both sides of the families all Irish and then come to the conclusion of its better to stay with your own.

Actually, the average Irish IQ is 93 whilst the average IQ of America, the epitome of a racial melting pot so to speak, is 98.

Nodin

caseyann wrote: »

.....................As for tests such as that i could go out and test the higher intelligent people here in Ireland who are generation after generation on both sides of the families all Irish and then come to the conclusion of its better to stay with your own.
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I'm afraid I don't understand that comment. Would you care to explain?

caseyann

Nodin wrote: »

I'm afraid I don't understand that comment. Would you care to explain?

Basically you can throw any stupid test out there,if you test the right people you will come up with the same conclusions.
Ethnicity doesn't make you smarter,race doesn't make you smarter.And by saying mixing to get stronger more intelligent kids and better looking kids is an insult and discrimination against all races.So this is a racist thread.

Nodin

caseyann wrote: »

Basically you can throw any stupid test out there,if you test the right people you will come up with the same conclusions.
Ethnicity doesn't make you smarter,race doesn't make you smarter.And by saying mixing to get stronger more intelligent kids and better looking kids is an insult and discrimination against all races.So this is a racist thread.

Theres nothing suggesting breeding for intelligence in the OP. Nor is the overall tone "racist".

caseyann

Nodin wrote: »

Theres nothing suggesting breeding for intelligence in the OP. Nor is the overall tone "racist".

Ah so you can read tone on the internet can you.Idea doesnt need tone the suggestion is there of looking forward to races being gone and one race.Thats racist.;)
And i didnt say op said breeding for intelligence,i was talking about the mindset that came along with the thread from other poster.

Nodin

caseyann wrote: »

Ah so you can read tone on the internet can you.Idea doesnt need tone the suggestion is there of looking forward to races being gone and one race.Thats racist..

No, actually, it isn't, as it neither singles out one for exclusion or looks forward to the demise of any specific race.

caseyann wrote: »

And i didnt say op said breeding for intelligence,i was talking about the mindset that came along with the thread from other poster.

Then you might have used the quote function to illustrate the instance you're talking about, and save us the confusion.