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Do you think there will be an All Ireland League in the near future ?
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22-03-2011 12:25am#1
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Gavin shels wrote: »Depends which way it was done and which teams where in it, Rovers, Bohs, Pats, Shels, Glens, Linfield, Cliftonville, Derry, Cork, Sligo, Galway, Limerick, Waterford, Athlone/Longford, Finn Harps. Maybe another two IL sides, plenty of derbies, could develop into a quality League. Then after the say 18/20 division Premier Division, you could have two Regional Leagues, North and South.
In what way?
New stadiums-the sight of some of them are sickening. tallaght is the minimum standard loi clubs should be aspiring to have. but its a good start. theres not even a loi ground that is quaint and charming, dalymount should be but well its a kip, the ballymun of stadiums :P
Mergers of clubs-ohhhh no but our tradition ye reality check the casual fan doesnt care.
I think the FAI should take a leaf out of what the mls has done and try replicate that in an irish context0 -
New stadiums-the sight of some of them are sickening. tallaght is the minimum standard loi clubs should be aspiring to have. but its a good start.
Mergers of clubs-ohhhh no but our tradition ye reality check nobody cares.
Grand, at least you proven my perception that you're about 12 anyway.
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Gavin shels wrote: »Depends which way it was done and which teams where in it, Rovers, Bohs, Pats, Shels, Glens, Linfield, Cliftonville, Derry, Cork, Sligo, Galway, Limerick, Waterford, Athlone/Longford, Finn Harps. Maybe another two IL sides, plenty of derbies, could develop into a quality League. Then after the say 18/20 division Premier Division, you could have two Regional Leagues, North and South.
You'd better be adding Newry to that list Gav....
Its very easy to throw out suggestions about what the LOI or IL should be doing, but the fact that there isn't the money there scuppers almost every plan.
The inescapable fact is that the vast majority of football fans in this country, feel no affiliation to their local club. They do feel an affiliation to an English/Scottish/Italian/Spanish club though. A loyalty you could say.
Its all very well, harping on about barstoolers or how its so shocking that they can't be bothered to support a local club, but its the way it is. Its a case of having to accept that for what it is and why it is. The LOI/IL and the associations need to look at the mindset of these fans and try and engage with it.
Having Tom Dunne do a radio advert won't convince those people to go to a game. Using the media to promote the game will though. MNS is a good example of this. Hardly the greatest football show in the world, but I know quite a few people who have increased their knowledge and interest of the local game because of it. Its football, its on TV, so they'll watch it. The print media needs to take a lead role as well. Its all about soakage. Stick stories in front of people enough times and they will get soaked up by the brain. Maybe the clubs need to more active in getting their own information out there to the relevant media organisations as well as using facebook/twitter/youtube in a more organised fashion.
An All-Ireland League, would, I feel be a good idea. There would be issues to clear up. The loss of Euro places would be a huge one, but faced with decreasing revenue and rising costs, it could simply be a choice between continuing to exist for many clubs. If an AIL could bring in a bit more TV money, increase revenues across the club and put a few more bums on seats I think the issues would start to get sorted pretty quickly tbh.
People talk about getting the youth involved. Totally true, but actually right now, most important for the clubs should be getting people like me, in the 30-40 bracket involved in the club. Be it as a fan or something more. One of the biggest breeders of club loyalty is family. Many kids support the team that their dad/uncle/brother supports. By getting the 30-40 bracket invested in the idea of a local club, you stand a good chance of getting their young/unborn kids involved in the longer term. Another upshot of this is that, this generation has a few quid to be going to games regularly, buying a bit of merchandise, buying a few pints in the bar etc. Many of the football fans that support non-Irish teams are also in this age group. Bringing only a few percent of these people into the LOI fold would have a significant impact on the fortunes of clubs. Using the rivalries that an AIL could bring, as well as hopefully upping the standard of the league a bit more could help achieve this.0 -
You'd better be adding Newry to that list Gav....
Its very easy to throw out suggestions about what the LOI or IL should be doing, but the fact that there isn't the money there scuppers almost every plan.
The inescapable fact is that the vast majority of football fans in this country, feel no affiliation to their local club. They do feel an affiliation to an English/Scottish/Italian/Spanish club though. A loyalty you could say.
Its all very well, harping on about barstoolers or how its so shocking that they can't be bothered to support a local club, but its the way it is. Its a case of having to accept that for what it is and why it is. The LOI/IL and the associations need to look at the mindset of these fans and try and engage with it.
Having Tom Dunne do a radio advert won't convince those people to go to a game. Using the media to promote the game will though. MNS is a good example of this. Hardly the greatest football show in the world, but I know quite a few people who have increased their knowledge and interest of the local game because of it. Its football, its on TV, so they'll watch it. The print media needs to take a lead role as well. Its all about soakage. Stick stories in front of people enough times and they will get soaked up by the brain. Maybe the clubs need to more active in getting their own information out there to the relevant media organisations as well as using facebook/twitter/youtube in a more organised fashion.
An All-Ireland League, would, I feel be a good idea. There would be issues to clear up. The loss of Euro places would be a huge one, but faced with decreasing revenue and rising costs, it could simply be a choice between continuing to exist for many clubs. If an AIL could bring in a bit more TV money, increase revenues across the club and put a few more bums on seats I think the issues would start to get sorted pretty quickly tbh.
People talk about getting the youth involved. Totally true, but actually right now, most important for the clubs should be getting people like me, in the 30-40 bracket involved in the club. Be it as a fan or something more. One of the biggest breeders of club loyalty is family. Many kids support the team that their dad/uncle/brother supports. By getting the 30-40 bracket invested in the idea of a local club, you stand a good chance of getting their young/unborn kids involved in the longer term. Another upshot of this is that, this generation has a few quid to be going to games regularly, buying a bit of merchandise, buying a few pints in the bar etc. Many of the football fans that support non-Irish teams are also in this age group. Bringing only a few percent of these people into the LOI fold would have a significant impact on the fortunes of clubs. Using the rivalries that an AIL could bring, as well as hopefully upping the standard of the league a bit more could help achieve this.
Seeing as you're on a roll, have you any views on the topic at hand?0 -
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New stadiums-the sight of some of them are sickening. tallaght is the minimum standard loi clubs should be aspiring to have. but its a good start. theres not even a loi ground that is quaint and charming, dalymount should be but well its a kip, the ballymun of stadiums :P
Mergers of clubs-ohhhh no but our tradition ye reality check the casual fan doesnt care.
I think the FAI should take a leaf out of what the mls has done and try replicate that in an irish context
I don't know much about the MLS. What sort of crowds do they get and is the standard good ?0 -
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