Low fat butter or full fat?

hug0

Im a flora girl but the more I hear lately is that flora is bad, what brand of butter is best (for the calorie conscious)? There's so many brands out there-v.confusing!

brendansmith

Excellent question.
Lowfat or full fat for the calorie conscience? Hmmmmmm. Tough question.
I look forward to the answers on this one.

Transform

eat regular butter all other forms of spreads are a processed food.

Its more to do with whats the butter going on than the butter itself

siobhan.murphy

real butter or olive oil on toast/bread

EileenG

Real butter, and put it on your veggies, not your toast.

jam_mac_jam

I would say neither, calorie wise they are the same. However butter is better for you, it is full of calories I would avoid. But as said above on veg not on bread.

Transform

butter would also contain CLA and fats that help you absorb certain nutrients.

All other spreads have to be heated and dyed to make them look like butter and make them spreadable which would smell terrible and look grey otherwise. They then add in e.g. plant sterols to make it 'healthy' - its a processed food.

hug0

What brand exactly? Would 'low low' or other diet butter contain ingredients that are bad for your health? Are low fat butters as bad as flora?

What exactly is in flora and what does it do to your health?

Transform

hug0 wrote: »

What brand exactly? Would 'low low' or other diet butter contain ingredients that are bad for your health? Are low fat butters as bad as flora?

What exactly is in flora and what does it do to your health?

butter comes in a foil block - thats the one you want and ignore everything else.

There is zero need to get overly complicated just trust that butter is better.

Flora is for fools - butter is better - would make a nice t-shirt!

Red Cortina

Butter is a great source of vitamin K2.
This study shows that women with the highest vitamin K2 intake had the lowest level of coronary calcification:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18722618

Vitamin K is extremely effective at preventing osteoporosis fractures according to this study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16801507

And this study talks about how cancer patients are often vitamin K deficient:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17923470?ordinalpos=9&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Overall I would say that butter is an incredibly important real food in your diet as it is one of the few sources of vitamin K2 and that it seems that this fat-soluble vitamin is essential for good health.

hug0

Thank you! Guess I will be throwing out the flora so, feels wrong when all the years of avoiding eating full fat stuff!!

There are so many butters out there, will check out the blocks of butter so. Have so many questions about nutrition but better open up a new thread!

trotter_inc

hug0 wrote: »

Thank you! Guess I will be throwing out the flora so, feels wrong when all the years of avoiding eating full fat stuff!!

I switched from the 'real butter' to Flora about 5 months ago, I thought I was doing great by making the 'big switch'. Feck it anyway, I'll be popping in to the shop and getting myself a big block of the real stuff on the way home so

But, I don't get it, what exactly is wrong with Flora? How come they get away with constantly convincing us that it's good (or less bad than the real stuff) for us?

EileenG

They choose exactly what studies they quote. One trick is to do a study using fish oil, which generally does produce a reduction in cholesterol, for instance, and then quote the results of the study, but use the words "Polyunsaturated fats" as producing this benefit. It's literally true that polyunsaturated fish oil did this, but they allow you to assume that the polyunsaturated vegetable oil in their spread will have the same effect.

As for why, MONEY. If you can find a way to make cheap vegetable oil valuable, you'll make a profit.

Transform

hug0 wrote: »

Thank you! Guess I will be throwing out the flora so, feels wrong when all the years of avoiding eating full fat stuff!!

There are so many butters out there, will check out the blocks of butter so. Have so many questions about nutrition but better open up a new thread!

there are actually NOT many butters out there - lots of spreadable sh1te (sorry but they are) but there are about 3-4 companies that do butter - champion, kerrygold and many of the big supermarkets do their own.

RacoonQueen

'Full fat' butter, every time. Fat is good for you...

Transform

RacoonQueen wrote: »

'Full fat' butter, every time. Fat is good for you...

I only wish this thread was referenced every time some would ask about flora or cholesterol levels as that's a whole industry based on fear of having even slightly high cholesterol levels and then somehow linking it to eating butter, eggs, red meat etc.

murrayp4

Transform wrote: »

eat regular butter all other forms of spreads are a processed food.

This, so far, is the best news I've heard all year.

metamorphosis

Low fat spead and flora is for quitters. Nobody wants to be a quitter!!

Transform

yes and by the end of the year everyone is going to be banging the coconut oil into them like there is no tomorrow.

It amazes me how many people can be so fat phobic when the over riding evidence is to eat more good fats and cut dramatically back on grain/gluten based foods.

Garry Taubes does a fairly (little incomplete but for a TV audience i suspect) good job of explaining it here -

Ice.

Taubes is not an expert. I would recommend getting dietary advice from people who actually know what they are talking about. Sure, he has skills in journalism and writing. Why then is he successfully selling books on nutrition? Because people LOVE to hear what they want to hear. And pay for it.

Blatter

Ice. wrote: »

Taubes is not an expert. I would recommend getting dietary advice from people who actually know what they are talking about. Sure, he has skills in journalism and writing. Why then is he successfully selling books on nutrition? Because people LOVE to hear what they want to hear. And pay for it.

People don't want to hear that potatoes, bread, cereal etc. are primary reason for fat gain as they are the staple of most peoples' diets.

But if you mean that people want to hear how to successfully lose weight healthily, then you're right, they do. And if you eat the way Taube's suggests, this will be achieved, so I don't know what tree you're barking up tbh.

xoxyx

I was told recently that Low Low isn't in fact, low in anything. It relies on its brand name to make people assume that it's a healthier alternative when it is anything but.

Is that right ?

Blatter

xoxyx wrote: »

I was told recently that Low Low isn't in fact, low in anything. It relies on its brand name to make people assume that it's a healthier alternative when it is anything but.

Is that right ?

It's lower in calories and fat in comparison to butter but it contains trans fats, various preservatives and several artificial ingredients, all of which are unhealthy. It's highly processed. Butter on the other hand, is a natural food and the fats are healthy ones.

People make the mistake of thinking lower (sat)fat = lower calories = healthy, which is incorrect, and the biggest diet scam of the century.

Ice.

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

It's lower in calories and fat in comparison to butter but it contains trans fats

Butter also contains trans fats. As do the meat and milk of ruminants.

Blatter

Ice. wrote: »

Butter also contains trans fats. As do the meat and milk of ruminants.

Negligible traces to all intents and purposes.

Would you like to comment on the artificial ingredients and preservatives present in margarine?

Ice.

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Negligible traces to all intents and purposes.

Trans fats all the same.

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Would you like to comment on the artificial ingredients and preservatives present in margarine?

Not really. Margarine is a highly processed food. I do not advocate it's use nor claim it's healthy in any way.

Blatter

Ice. wrote: »

Trans fats all the same.



Not really. Margarine is a highly processed food. I do not advocate it's use nor claim it's healthy in any way.

Do you not understand the word negligible? Here's a definition.

Negligible: Not significant or important enough to be worth considering

Ice.

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Do you not understand the word negligible? Here's a definition.

Negligible: Not significant or important enough to be worth considering

I'm quite aware of what negligible means. Thanks ever so much.

Generally, up to 5% of animal fat is trans fat. Whether or not that is negligible to you is your decision.

Blatter

Ice. wrote: »

I'm quite aware of what negligible means. Thanks ever so much.

Generally, up to 5% of animal fat is trans fat. Whether or not that is negligible to you is your decision.

Ruminal.

Ice.

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Ruminal.

Whoops. My mistake. Replied too quickly.

Griffin87

What about Golden Olive ?

I was told by a dietition it was the best spread as it was made with olive oil

Transform

Griffin87 wrote: »

What about Golden Olive ?

I was told by a dietition it was the best spread as it was made with olive oil

no god awful also and if you are not a fan of taubes then grand however he has much more right on the nutrition front than say your average nutritionist that is still advocating eating at least 60% of your diet as carbs and most of that coming from gains.

gavtron

Transform wrote: »

no god awful also and if you are not a fan of taubes then grand however he has much more right on the nutrition front than say your average nutritionist that is still advocating eating at least 60% of your diet as carbs and most of that coming from gains.

I agree, Taubes has a lot of good things to say.

on the nutritionist/dietician front, i was chatting to a dietician there a few months back, works in one of the hospitals in dublin. I asked what her opinion on paleo/primal diets were...completely blank.
so i explained it to her, and she went on to tell me i shouldn't eat so much meat and eggs....for the cholesterol of course...and you needed loads of carbs for energy... :rolleyes:

anyway back on topic...butter...F@*k yeah!!

EileenG

Griffin87 wrote: »

What about Golden Olive ?

I was told by a dietition it was the best spread as it was made with olive oil

Olive oil - good.

Extra virgin olive oil - better

Golden olive - processed muck

rocky

Ice. wrote: »

Taubes is not an expert. I would recommend getting dietary advice from people who actually know what they are talking about. Sure, he has skills in journalism and writing. Why then is he successfully selling books on nutrition? Because people LOVE to hear what they want to hear. And pay for it.

Hold the press!! I agree with Ice for once!!

Taubes is not an expert. He has some good advice on increasing fats and protein, but he demonizes carbohydrates/insulin too much. Also failed to account for his errors when called on by a few people looking into the actual references he uses. But this is a small part of his advice.

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

People don't want to hear that potatoes, bread, cereal etc. are primary reason for fat gain as they are the staple of most peoples' diets.

Absolutely nothing wrong with potatoes. So what if they contain carbs? Did you know that whey+milk increases insulin more than wheat gluten and bread?

FIGURE 2. Mean (±SEM) incremental changes (Δ) in serum insulin in response to equal amounts of carbohydrate from a white-wheat-bread reference meal (x) and test meals of whey (○), milk (♦), cheese (▵), cod (□), gluten-low (▴), and gluten-high (▾) meals. A significant treatment effect (P < 0.0001) and treatment x time interaction (P < 0.0001) were found at a given time. Values with different lowercase letters are significantly different, P < 0.05 (Tukey’s test). n = 12 healthy subjects.

from http://www.ajcn.org/content/80/5/1246.full

EileenG wrote: »

Olive oil - good.

Extra virgin olive oil - better

Golden olive - processed muck

For me, olive oil = indiferent. Not good, but not bad. Most of the health properties attributed to olive oil could be due to the saturated animal fats people on the Med diet consume, but when scientists discovered that, they couldn't get past their own cognitive dissonance and gave the praise to olive oil.

Blatter

rocky wrote: »

Hold the press!! I agree with Ice for once!!


Absolutely nothing wrong with potatoes. So what if they contain carbs? Did you know that whey+milk increases insulin more than wheat gluten and bread?



from http://www.ajcn.org/content/80/5/1246.full

I never claimed any different, I just said they. along with bread and cereals, are a primary cause of weight gain, which I stand by;)

I have no problems with potatoes as a food, but people underestimate how calorie dense they are and eat too many of them.

Transform

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

I never claimed any different, I just said they. along with bread and cereals, are a primary cause of weight gain, which I stand by;)

I have no problems with potatoes as a food, but people underestimate how calorie dense they are and eat too many of them.

totally agree with that point and as i was at pains to point out when i posted that video - Taubes give an incomplete point of view and watered down for tv talk i would guess.

Overall the vast majority of people out there could do with first and foremost focusing on food quality. All you have to do is walk into your local petrol station/spar/centra in the morning or lunch time and you can see what terrible choices people make or better still look at someones basket in a supermarket.

These are the same people that then want to count points, stuff themselves with low-fat options, take bugger all exercise, drink more coffee to combat poor sleep and then have the balls to wonder why they are tired and possibly overweight.

Yes pick butter and have some spuds now and again (i prefer sweet potatoes and butternut squash myself) but jasus people thats just the tip of the iceberg.