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Gays in movies since BBM
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20-03-2011 11:20am#1
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The Kids Are All Right
Which wasn't really an ideal representation of lesbians, to be fair.
You are never going to find gay people in mainstream movies because they appeal to (get this) the mainstream, who at best tolerate gay people. We hardly even have straight women in mainstream movies beyond decorative objects. However, there are loads and loads of smaller movies out there, Taiwan especially have more movies about lesbians than you can shake a stick at :P
We're not doing too bad in TV though, especially gay men. There are loads of very well developed characters on TV that are gay. There aren't quite so many lesbians, but I'd say you can put that down to there just not being that many women main characters on TV anyway.0 -
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on the small screen, the characters and story of aaron and jackson in emmerdale has been highly entertaingin, from the difficult coming out aaron experienced, to their tempestuous fledgling relationship, and currently the fallout from jacksons' accident
if i may be as bold to make a brief related request........ i saw most of a film with a gay theme that i can't remember the name of. The story, told in french with subtitles, centers on a french guy in his late teens and his girlfriend. they are captured by this sort of very rough, rugged dangerous looking man in his say forties, who keeps them hostage in his house. ultimately a relationship develops between the captor and the young guy before he and she finally escape.
details are shady i know, but has anybody seen this film, and could they tell me the name of it please? it was shown, i think, on channel four about ten years ago??0 -
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bitter_lemon wrote: »meh yourself! they are not interchangeable. you are either gay or bi. end of story. thank you for playing
This is definately a subject for a completly different thread.;)
In regards to "The Kids Are Alright", I think that a number of really excellent points have been brought up, that represent a lot of what is good and what is bad about this film. It's also interesting that people are arguing opposite sides of an argument that are two sides of the same coin.
In regards to the topic of hoe sexuality is represented in the film,Plenty of lesbians turn out to be Bi, it isn't big deal. It might not be a representation of your situation but it is a worth while story to tell and I'm sure it rang true for anyone who was in a similar situation.wonderfulname wrote: »Where did you get that from? How do you know they weren't bi all along? Who says sexuality isn't someway fluid? Yes it is, because its not always the case that they do.How would you feel, SugarHigh, if films often showed gay male characters being turned straight?
I feel that there is a huge divide here between representation and reality. LGBT folk are sick to death of the lesbian-turned-straight by a man trope that occurs so often in mainstraem cinema. And yet, being politically correct, in reality we should have no problems with these situations in reality (sexual fluidity and all that;).) Every week in The Guardian, there is another story about an older women who has discovered or become a lesbian in later life, and we applaude them. In this film, we have the opposite (sort of) and it drives us demented as this is the largest audience that this story line will reach and it's a cliche. And yet, in mainstream representation, it makes us grit our teeth, because we have seen this format so often before, and more poorly executed.
Personally I don't think that "The Kids are Alright" was the worst representation of this man-switiches-lesbian format that I've seen. I found it more about a couple that after years of rearing children and the pressures of jobs had led to an alienation within the relationship, and one sought some form of escapism. This doesn't necessraily mean Julian Moore's character was straight, or even bisexual (as she states at the end of the film that she's gay), but that she was looking for some of human affection. But I do agree with Crayolastereo about the sex scenes. I found it completly offensive that theirs would be portrayed as being so bad, whereas the straight ones could be so hot. I have no idea why they were so polarised (I just kept thinking, if the sex is that bad, why havne't they divorced by now?)
In regards to representation , do we have to allow for some lee-way in storylines in order for a gay storyline to reach a mass market? Even though everyone gives out about this particluar film, there are other less mainstream films that are beloved by the LBGT audience that endorse the usual over-wrought storylines that are so typtical of a lesbian film. (self-loathing, depressive etc)crayolastereo wrote: »Its profitable for them to sell that stereotype, Choledenko said she had her cheat on a man to draw in a male audience, a group who you could argue seem to like to think they can turn lesbians by being with a 'real man'If The Kids Are All Right involved an affair with another woman, the film would probably have attracted a different set of producers and been marketed to a different audience, not been seen by a mass audience, not made as much money and probably wouldn't have initially attracted stars of the calibre of Bening and Moore.
Choledenko says that it was a ploy, and yet it was the only way to reach a mass market. Do we go for under-representation and adhere to PC LGBT films or expand, with big-star names in order to reach a wider audiences. Even though people dislike this film, a lot of critics hated Brokeback as they found it's representation of gay love offensive as they found it to be overtly aggessive and sterotypical. I'm almost certain that this will change for this film too.
On a personal note, I didn't like this film, yet my OH did. I found the sex scenes, and their juxtaposition extermely offensive , and yet she enjoyed the represnetion of an older lesbian couple (as are any three0dimensional representations of older female characters) enjoyable.0 -
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Good post but I think you are reading too much into the lesbian sex being bad and the straight sex being good. It was simply a case that the first relationship was in bad shape and had bed sex because of it. It's not a statement about lesbian sex.
That is an interpretation, which is what other people I know have read into it. I just found it sooo bad, that it was cringe-worthy to watch. 0 -
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Why is a moderator getting so personal ?Sugarhigh - did you not complain about stuff being overanalysed last week? Why are you taking part in all the media analyses discussions if you don't actually want them in the first place?
If you actually read my posts you would see I was constantly playing down the fact they were gay because I don't believe it was an important part of the film. You would also see that I believed others were simply reading too much into it.0 -
Why is a moderator getting so personal ?
If you actually read my posts you would see I was constantly playing down the fact they were gay because I don't believe it was an important part of the film. You would also see that I believed others were simply reading too much into it.
He's not being personal at all, merely asking why you are participating in a debate you obviously don't see the merit in. We are analyzing a movie that is one of the biggest representations we have had in quite a while, its important what it has to say. If we were reading too much into the Hangover, then fine but we aren't. :rolleyes:0 -
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