Would you rise to the occasion/give CPR etc

filthymcnasty

Was reminded recently of an incident in Donadea park years ago. A small girl was drowning in the lake and a man hopped in and hauled her out fair fcks to him. The parents only turned their back for a tiny moment.
Would you help in a scenario like such or indeed have you.

I would like to think I would but with modern insurance claim shiite, would this over-ride natural instinct

whiskeyman

Only if I'd enough time to change into my superhero outfit, then yes, yes I would.

threeleggedhors

Pretty sure the "Good Smaritan Act" covers you. Doubt if claims would enter your head in a split second decision, i'd expect it to be a knee-jerk reaction.

Pacing Mule

filthymcnasty wrote: »

Was reminded recently of an incident in Donadea park years ago. A small girl was drowning in the lake and a man hopped in and hauled her out fair fcks to him. The parents only turned their back for a tiny moment.
Would you help in a scenario like such or indeed have you.

I would like to think I would but with modern insurance claim shiite, would this over-ride natural instinct

I have had this unfortunately - grabbed a drowning kid out of the sea at sandycove one day. Parents hadn't noticed her fall off the pier. Same parents looked at me as if I was a paedophile for carrying kid out of the water. I wanted to smack them to be honest.

Daegerty

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

I have had this unfortunately - grabbed a drowning kid out of the sea at sandycove one day. Parents hadn't noticed her fall off the pier. Same parents looked at me as if I was a paedophile for carrying kid out of the water. I wanted to smack them to be honest.

You should really have smacked em tbh. What is it with this paedophile obession of recent years?

minidazzler

threeleggedhors wrote: »

Pretty sure the "Good Smaritan Act" covers you. Doubt if claims would enter your head in a split second decision, i'd expect it to be a knee-jerk reaction.

Claims wouldn't enter your head but the bystander effect is likely to take place.

I have no idea how to give CPR, should really learn I suppose, but isn't it only like 2% effective or something?

A little girl was drowning next to me in the aquadome in kerry last year, she was in the deepend with no floaties or anything. Lifted her out to the shallow end by a lifeguard. TBH, I hesitated slightly given the jump to everyone's a paedophile that seems to go around thinking. She just coughed up some water rested and was back on her merry way. (I will admit, I felt good about myself for that :pac:)

epgc3fyqirnbsx

threeleggedhors wrote: »

Pretty sure the "Good Smaritan Act" covers you. Doubt if claims would enter your head in a split second decision, i'd expect it to be a knee-jerk reaction.

I dont think that has been brough into law yet. But as you say it would be a knee jerk reaction, you wouldn't really think
especially with children, it seems to be an evolutionary trait that we do whatever we can to protect them, prolonging the species and all that. If you didn't I think you would be a bit of a monster tbh

grrrrrrrrrr

Another pier diving story.. Young girl, I jumped in, wrecked my phone. Her parents new I did but passed it off with a smart comment and walked away. Anyone want an I-phone with a very realistic water screensaver?

psycho-hope

minidazzler wrote: »

Claims wouldn't enter your head but the bystander effect is likely to take place.

I have no idea how to give CPR, should really learn I suppose, but isn't it only like 2% effective or something?

A little girl was drowning next to me in the aquadome in kerry last year, she was in the deepend with no floaties or anything. Lifted her out to the shallow end by a lifeguard. TBH, I hesitated slightly given the jump to everyone's a paedophile that seems to go around thinking. She just coughed up some water rested and was back on her merry way. (I will admit, I felt good about myself for that :pac:)

your 5 times more likely to end up doing CPR on a family member than a stranger, so if you do get the chance to learn you really should, you could end up saving a family member

In answer to the OP, have attempted to resuciatate someone while on duty with a volunteery Ambulance serivce about 5 years ago, unfortunatly the man didnt make it but at least I and the other crew knew we had given him the best chance to survive

grrrrrrrrrr

K

Dennis Noisy Shelter wrote: »

I dont think that has been brough into law yet. But as you say it would be a knee jerk reaction, you wouldn't really think
especially with children, it seems to be an evolutionary trait that we do whatever we can to protect them, prolonging the species and all that. If you didn't I think you would be a bit of a monster tbh

There is a Good Smaratins Act but I dono what it entails.

I think there is def a by stander effect too tho. Everyone waiting for soneone else to do something.

GV_NRG

threeleggedhors wrote: »

Pretty sure the "Good Smaritan Act" covers you. Doubt if claims would enter your head in a split second decision, i'd expect it to be a knee-jerk reaction.

im a member of the Irish Red Cross and i can tell you that it hasnt been brought into law yet so you are definetly suceptible to being sued. however you cant be sued if you do CPR properly which is why everyone should learn how to do it!

minidazzler wrote: »

I have no idea how to give CPR, should really learn I suppose, but isn't it only like 2% effective or something?

it is only 2% effective if you get their like 10 mins after they have fallen unconscious AND you have no andvanced medical care AND no AED (Automated External Difibrilator).

if you get their in arond the first 3 mins, and you have an AED within 5 mins and advanced Medical care within 5-10 mins, there is something like an 85% success rate! unfortunetly the paramedics here all over ireland rarely come that quick and you could realistically be waiting 20 mins. That is why it is believed that CPR is crap.

Saila

depends on the situation. If I felt confident I would come out of the same situation then yes, for example rescuing a drowning small kid - they are not strong enough to drown you with them, an adult on the other hand, could.
Likewise jumping into a freezing lake, not recommended theres a reason they are in trouble theres no pt in you getting into the same situation.

MagicMarker

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

I have had this unfortunately - grabbed a drowning kid out of the sea at sandycove one day. Parents hadn't noticed her fall off the pier. Same parents looked at me as if I was a paedophile for carrying kid out of the water. I wanted to smack them to be honest.

Good thing you didn't rise to the occasion.

alwaysadub

I'm trained in 1st aid and CPR and recently got trained on AED's but whether I'd actually remember any of it under the pressure of knowing someone's life is in my hands is another question!

uch

I did CPR training in work with Hot girl as my partner, everytime she tried to give the doll thing CPR I could see straight down her top to her belly button, Jesús I nearly needed CPR after it.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

I remember I was in TY and they brought in the CPR dummy for our frst aid class and there was a filthy acne ridden scummer in front of me who huge blistering cole sore burst on the dolls mouth and then the instrucor wiped it off with a dry hankee
F*ck that I thought, wouldn't go near it, fella hadn't even an alcohol wipe, and even then I probably wouldn't have anyway

galwayrush

I sure read the thread title wrong:o.bloody wine.

jimthemental

Couldn't care less about the outcome with claims and all that but I would have no respect for someone who wouldn't try

Senna

GV_NRG wrote: »

if you get their in arond the first 3 mins, and you have an AED within 5 mins and advanced Medical care within 5-10 mins, there is something like an 85% success rate! unfortunetly the paramedics here all over ireland rarely come that quick and you could realistically be waiting 20 mins. That is why it is believed that CPR is crap.

Young kid got into difficulties in a empty pool, parents didn't realise he was missing for 5 minutes. Worker seen his life-less body in the pool, got him out and began CPR (a nurse arrived to help a couple of minutes later), they both worked away for 20 minutes till an ambulance arrived (it seemed like hours). during this time the young fella wasn't breathing and had no heartbeat. But because they stuck at it, he survived with no ill effects.
I had to stand there and keep saying positive things to the mother, you can imagine how distressed she was, seeing her son laying there with two strangers trying their best, but at no time did he respond or give any hope.

xsiborg

read about this app for iphone a few days ago coincidentally enough:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/25/new-initiative-harnesses-smartphones-to-help-keep-heart-attack-victims-alive/

and another story about another handy app in this link, which came up while i was googling for that last one:


http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/06/apple-iphone-app-cp/

As a member of Civil Defence trained up to PHECC First Responder standard, of course I would.

Interestingly, Civil Defence would cover me insurance-wise, so it makes answering the need a lot easier in legal terms.

There's also the concept of "Implied consent", where if you are unconscious with your life in threat, consent is implied from you to a third party to save your life.

psycho-hope

alwaysadub wrote: »

I'm trained in 1st aid and CPR and recently got trained on AED's but whether I'd actually remember any of it under the pressure of knowing someone's life is in my hands is another question!

Tbh i always thought that too but when it came to it instinct kicked in and I kinda went into autopilot, didnt hit me till afterwards what had happened

filthymcnasty

Fair play to anyone who would do it.. a lot is learnt cpr/ first aid at work-courses etc but if you would carry out in reality is different.
Especially someone with neck injuries and the like.

Daegerty

Deleted User wrote: »

As a member of Civil Defence trained up to PHECC First Responder standard, of course I would.

Who ever thought of the acronym PHECC deserves a clap on the back

Azureus

A friend of mine was telling me a story once where he (trained in first aid etc) gave CPR to a guy who needed it after a car crash until the paramedics got there and essentially saved his life. Apparently the guy called to his door 2-3 weeks later and instead of saying thanks he threatened to sue him because he cracked a rib and was saying it was because of the CPR!

I plan on taking a course in first aid soon. Apparently there is no legal obligation to help a stranger, but if somebody is under your care (ie parent/teacher/doctor) then you are legally obliged to administer first aid if qualified. Suppose that goes without saying though.

afatbollix

Azureus wrote: »

A friend of mine was telling me a story once where he (trained in first aid etc) gave CPR to a guy who needed it after a car crash until the paramedics got there and essentially saved his life. Apparently the guy called to his door 2-3 weeks later and instead of saying thanks he threatened to sue him because he cracked a rib and was saying it was because of the CPR!

If you are doing CPR correctly you should be nearly breaking the rips. The longest someone has survived after having CPR done on them is 7 hours so keep going until help arrives.

and the suing thing... There hasn't been a successful case of winning yet usually common sense takes over the court for once..

But saying that the first aid coarse I did comes with 3 years 3rd party insurance.

SeaFields

Herself was doing an advanced first aid course last year for work. I kid ye not, it said at the end of the CPR module handout "Do not attempt CPR in the event of a decapitation"!

Yeah, saved someone two years and felt damn good after it too. Two girls found themselves out of there depth at the beach. Myself and the girlfriend were about 50 yards away out deeper when we noticed something not right. Didnt look like they were at the usual fun kids get up too. They were crawling on top of each other for air. I got there first and held them up. The girlfriend then helped swim them in when she arrived. They were coughing up water and crying when we got them in. Their mothers were sitting on the beach gossiping, none the wiser :rolleyes:

CrazyRabbit

Daegerty wrote: »

You should really have smacked em tbh. What is it with this paedophile obession of recent years?

As the saying goes, "It sells newspapers!" Look at that recent news story about that huge paedophile website with 70,000 members. Turns out that Dutch cops found nothing illegal on the website, but that little fact was not mentioned in 90% of the news articles. (Note : I despise the contents of the site & its users, but like everyone else, they have the right to free speech).

As for the OP's question, I pulled a drowning girl from a swimming pool when I was 12, and helped get a guy from a house that was on fire a few years later. Neither required CPR, but I wouldn't have hesitated. The bigger question is; how many of you know how to give CPR?

ScouseMouse

First Aid is easily learned even easier to carry. I trained with St John Ambulance and became a trainer. I dont have the time now but.....

In the last 15 years I have:

Saved my mate who was having a full irish and choked on white-pudding-skin.

Saved a mentally handicapped who choked on a marshmallow.

Immobilised a girls neck who ran in front of a car.

Treated a lady hit by a lorry on Burgh Quay.

Treated 2 bikers who crashed on the N4 a fortnight ago.

Treated a diabetic who was fitting in the middle of a supermarket. (headbutting the floor)

And numerous others.

I used to be called "The Jinx"

Everyone should learn some first aid.

robinph

Azureus wrote: »

A friend of mine was telling me a story once where he (trained in first aid etc) gave CPR to a guy who needed it after a car crash until the paramedics got there and essentially saved his life. Apparently the guy called to his door 2-3 weeks later and instead of saying thanks he threatened to sue him because he cracked a rib and was saying it was because of the CPR!

Send him a bill for the time spent whilst performing CPR, and then sue him for emotional distress for crashing his car and being a lifeless body that disrupted your friends day.

Also your friend essentially owns that guys life now so apply for a %'age of all future earnings and those of any further children he may have since the accident.

Ev84

This is why a lot of Americans hesitate to help and instead just leave it to the professionals:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6498405&page=1

There was a woman sued in a Californian court in 2004 for pulling her friend from a car crash for fear it would explode... The now paralysed victim sued her friend for pulling her out like a "rag-doll" and damaging her spine. The victims argument was "I didn't ask her to help me". I mean FFS... What's the world coming to? I would have done the same thing and pulled her out in a heartbeat!

Edited link, there are 3 pages to the article...

Wibbs

Have done. few times. Most recently before chrimbo. Nothing too gory. Either heard nothing back or was thanked.

Wicklowrider

grrrrrrrrrr wrote: »

Another pier diving story.. Young girl, I jumped in, wrecked my phone. Her parents new I did but passed it off with a smart comment and walked away. Anyone want an I-phone with a very realistic water screensaver?

Tell us where they live and we'll teach 'em another type of 1st aid.....:)

I've had to give my wife cpr and thankfully kept her alive. I also had the honor of being saved from choking by a man I actually hated..... I could not stand the sight of the ****** ! I was eating a rasher and next thing I knew I was choking. Fell on the floor and was losing consciousness when in walks the last person I'd have thought would have it in him to anything constructive ever. Goes to show how wrong I can be about judging people.

Joey the lips

There is a principle of law in ireland which states "first do no harm" in otherwords if some chokes to death beside you then you cannot be held liable for not helping

However i have a son who has epilipsey i i shudder to think that someone would fail to give him antisizure medicine if they had it.

So my feelings on the subject are "first do what you can to get them out of danger" in otherwords if someone is drowning get a stick to help them. Jump in and they may pull you down.

If someone falls and is cut open use a jumper to stem the flow of blood. Get them to apply pressure.

TBH i could not care if someone sues me. My mind would go mad if i did not help someone.

Longboard

superscouse wrote: »

I used to be called "The Jinx"

Its better than being called "Jessica Fletcher"

Novella

I've taken a course in First Aid 'cause my dad has epilepsy and quite often has seizures. Myself and my younger brother were encouraged to go to make us less likely to panic or whatever should we ever witness him fitting.

I've been alone with him on a number of occasions when he's had a seizure. The scariest was when he was driving me to school when I was about 16. I dealt with it though.

As for jumping into water to save someone... I'm quite a weak swimmer but I just can't imagine myself ever standing around doing nothing while another person was in trouble and needed help.

ectoraige

filthymcnasty wrote: »

I would like to think I would but with modern insurance claim shiite, would this over-ride natural instinct

The explanation I was giving was that there are no Good Samaritan laws here yet, partly because is it hasn't really been an issue in the courts here. The principle the courts use is that unless the person is in your care, you have no duty of care. If you do offer assistance, the person must consent to this, with the assumption that if the person is unconscious, consent is automatically given.

If you do give care then you need only provide a standard that would be reasonably expected given your level of training and experience. Take two similar scenarios where a person encounters an unconscious stranger when out walking and where there is no AED available.

In the first case, the responder has received no training but has watched a lot of telly. He tries his best to give compressions and rescue breaths, but his compressions aren't deep enough, and he failed to open the airways. After five minutes, he gives up seeing no response and calls 999.

In the second case, the responder has done a certified CFR course. He carries out an initial assessment, calls 999, opens the airway, and gives two breaths followed by 30:2 compressions/breaths. After five minutes, he gives up seeing no response.

In the first example no liability would be found by the courts as he did nothing that was contrary to his level of training. In the second example however the responder might be found negligent as, based on the training he received, he would be expected to continue compressions until the ambulance crew takes over.

Whether you think you know CPR or not, the single most important thing is to call 999 as the sooner you do, the sooner the ambulance arrive; also the operator can talk you through the steps. The chance of success is greatly improved if an AED is used so try to inform yourself where one might be located in places you frequent - even if you don't know how to use one, you can fetch it for somebody who does.