DogsUnleashed

Strum

Folks. Have you heard what the Coco are proposing now? This is the Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown CoCo but if it goes through then others will follow.
Bet you havn't read this anywhere in the media.

ALL Dogs on Leads at ALL times...on the Beach, Parks etc etc etc...:eek:
I know you dog haters out there will be saying Good, BUT it's NOT good at all. Sorry.

This is a blanket 24 x 7 x 365 days ban on dogs being exercised off leads on ALL beaches and most parks in the County

In enacting such bye-laws it is apparent that those involved have little or no idea of the care and treatment of dogs. Any manual will advise that dogs need space to run, and to socialise for their physical and mental well being. Dogs exercised regularly are healthier and happier… as are their walkers. In these times of fitness awareness it seems ridiculous for the County Council to deprive people of such regimes.

Responsible dog owners would encourage proper monitoring of beaches to ensure anti-social behaviour by both dogs and their owners. No conscientious owner would like to feel responsible for a child going blind and accepts that cleaning up faeces is a serious and important health and safety issue. The few dog owners that give dog owners in general a bad name should be penalised as appropriate.

Dog walkers would also like to see banned breeds or otherwise dangerous dogs carefully monitored and any offenders properly prosecuted as again this can be a danger to individuals as well as other dogs. But, as most dog owners will acknowledge, problems relating to dogs in open spaces, such as the beaches where they can run free and socialise, are very rare.

We will actively encourage the County Manager to enact sensible bye-laws that will benefit dogs, their owners and the county coffers


Please sign this petition and pass it on. Paste the link on your wall on facebook and ask EVERYBODY to sign it, thanks. WOOF!

http://www.petitiononline.ie/petition/dogs-unleashed/80

Victor

Ask for a dog park - a gated, enclosed area where dogs can run free off leash and do dog stuff.

Zapperzy

Strum wrote: »

Dog walkers would also like to see banned breeds or otherwise dangerous dogs carefully monitored and any offenders properly prosecuted as again this can be a danger to individuals as well as other dogs. But, as most dog owners will acknowledge, problems relating to dogs in open spaces, such as the beaches where they can run free and socialise, are very rare.

I don't get this bit. We don't have any banned breeds to carefully monitor? Or are they saying they want to ban certain breeds. :mad:

Where did you originally hear about this?

Strum

Zapperzy, I quoted that from the petition site, and yes it's a bit vague to say the least whoever wrote it.

No, at the moment there are certain Breeds who must be kept on a lead at ALL times without exception...and some with Muzzles. I'll go look for the list...

trio

I know you dog haters out there will be saying Good, BUT it's NOT good at all. Sorry.

A bit accusatory, no??

Zapperzy

Strum wrote: »

Zapperzy, I quoted that from the petition site, and yes it's a bit vague to say the least whoever wrote it.

No, at the moment there are certain Breeds who must be kept on a lead at ALL times without exception...and some with Muzzles. I'll go look for the list...

Oh I know about the restricted breeds list but I was just confused as to weather the petition was referring to an already present banned breeds list (which doesn't exist in the Republic of Ireland thankfully) or if they were suggesting banning certain breeds. If they were referring to an already present banned breeds list then it just shows you how uninformed they are! :rolleyes:

I would be interested to see where this originated from, time to do a bit of googling me thinks!

adser53

So these "dog lovers" are up in arms at the rights & needs of their dogs being taken away but are still advocating the enforcement of the RB list and the dogs on it that never had these "rights" to begin with?! So one rule for them and another for us?

God love them, having to put up with such ridiculous laws :rolleyes:

As for their remarks on banned & dangerous breeds....the term "clueless" springs to mind.

I'm not agreeing with the cocos decision, I just have a major problem with the hypocritical author of that petition.

I won't be signing any petition that endorses the RB laws in any way, shape or form

pitbull_fanatic

why is it unfair though?? the 10 dogs on the restricted breeds list have to be on leads and muzzles ALL the time. we dont get to let our dogs run freely and excircese as good as other dogs. its just making one law for all dogs instead of 10 breeds. dont get me wrong...i'd be the first person to stand up and say ban leads and muzzles in the morning (except for actual dangerous dogs that have a history of scrapping/biting). what i'm saying is that people with non-restriced breeds dont understand the hassle we go through and then the slightest bit of "all dogs on leads all the time" and theres panic...

adser53

pitbull_fanatic wrote: »

What i'm saying is that people with non-restriced breeds dont understand the hassle we go through and then the slightest bit of "all dogs on leads all the time" and theres panic...

My point exactly

ISDW

OP, you could have had so many people's support until that nonsense about banned breeds. I didn't realise that dogs came with manuals either I'm all for fighting against stupid by laws, but when supposed dog lovers get this kind of stuff wrong, what hope is there?

Shanao

I really dont see what the panic is about? My dogs are on short leashes by my side with muzzles on when i walk because they're restricted breeds, yet people seem to think that they can let their bloody unleashed dogs come bounding up annoying my two who cant enjoy the freedom that they do. I'm sick of walking in the park and being harassed by off leash dogs whose owners clearly have no control over them at all!! Even better when they're dogs are also aggressive of course:rolleyes: Would these count as the dangerous dogs then? Doubtful
Sorry but this is what RB owners are dealing with every day so i have little to no pity for anyone affected by this.

hdowney

our coco put up signs all over a couple yrs ago saying dogs must be on leads at all times, but people still walk along the beach with their dogs off leads like they used to. i don't think the council enforce it too much tbh (in certain areas anyway. and i don't know if they have the manpower too).

pitbull_fanatic

they put up them signs to cover their asses. so if something happens, they have the sign up and people didnt adhere to it.

pitbull_fanatic

56 ignorant petition signers!! haha ya the coco is definatly going to listen to all 56 of ye. theres thousands of us voicing for RB list to be abolished and we cant do it. and thats only for 10 breeds. what makes you think 56 people will change their mind about ALL breeds. if ye get that law struck off, us RB owners want ye on our side to write a petition as well worded as that profesional petion ya got there!

Whispered

pitbull_fanatic wrote: »

56 ignorant petition signers!! haha ya the coco is definatly going to listen to all 56 of ye.

Ignorant signers yeah? How ignorant of you!

I signed it and I'm an RB owner, a pretty fanatical RB supporter here in the forum too. Am I the only one who thinks that further restriction on all breeds is only going to further give excuses for the banning of certain breeds? I mean come on, if your average cutsey dog needs to be leashed do you think people will be happy with the similar rules for "the big dangerous" dogs? If they bring in such a law, it will further restrict us RB owners walking our dogs.

Two wrongs don't make a right, to refuse to sign a petition because you own an RB dog is petty as far as I'm concerned. It's wrong to have to have our beloved RB dogs leashed all the time, it's an ignorant law made by ignorant people. It's just as ignorant to expect other owners to do it as well. It shouldn't be a case of them and us. We're all dog owners and we all want what is best for our dog.

People are entitled to their opinion, to call them ignorant with no idea why they signed is just rude.

pitbull_fanatic

well think about it...they cant ban dogs because all dogs will be on leads and rb's will be muzzled so wheres the danger going to come into play?? i think its only right that if 10 breeds cant run fetch chase swim without hassle then all dogs shouldnt. dogs are dogs and all dogs should havve the same laws. we are all people but we dont have different laws due to skin colour or name or even social class. we have one law for all...well supposed to...so its only fair. signing this petition will make thinkgs worse for RB's in the end. garanteed.

Chinasea

Another law another policy – regardless of you agreeing or not with this new policy IT will never be enforced - maybe for the first day or so but that will be it. In the 40 years I have been out walking my dogs I have never ever seen anyone from the CoCo out and about enforcing any laws, bi laws, polices the whole shebang. I pay my dog licences because I do but in 40 years have never been asked to produce it. In my local park there are plenty of young adolesant boys with pitpulls doing whatever they like. When I see them I just go the other way cause I know for sure NOTING nor no law will be enforced. This is Ireland, laws galore, plenty of rich lawyers, polices galore plenty of policy makers, civil servants down in the town hall but that is exactly where they stay. Anyone can write a policy but enforcement is the missing link here.

I often walk my dogs along the promenade in Seapoint or Dun Laoghaire and some of the small parks around - There are NO Bins whatsoever – DLRD COCO get some bins - we don't need any more polices that will never be enforced - PUT SOME BLEEDING Bins around the place.

Your blowin in the wind little auld faded signs asking people to poop a scoop from the last purge down in the council offices speak volumes about exactly what is NOT happening. S~**e EVERYWHERE.

Whispered

pitbull_fanatic wrote: »

i think its only right that if 10 breeds cant run fetch chase swim without hassle then all dogs shouldnt. dogs are dogs and all dogs should havve the same laws.

Exactly, they should all have the same laws, so how can you justify not being opposed to this law, when you want it abolished for your own dog? Or is it a case of "well if I have to, you should have to too"?

It would be a huge step backwards for all dog owners to bring this restriction in.

How on earth will opposing a law banning ALL dogs from walking off lead make things worse for RB owners?

Think of it as a scale of stupidity. This law, in the eyes of the uneducated people who agree with BSL, will only serve to further justify BSL in my view.

Cherry Blossom

Whispered wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right, to refuse to sign a petition because you own an RB dog is petty as far as I'm concerned. It's wrong to have to have our beloved RB dogs leashed all the time, it's an ignorant law made by ignorant people. It's just as ignorant to expect other owners to do it as well. It shouldn't be a case of them and us. We're all dog owners and we all want what is best for our dog.

People are entitled to their opinion, to call them ignorant with no idea why they signed is just rude.

I won't sign it because the information contained in it is not correct, regardless of whether I support the restricted breeds act or not. I see absolutely no point in signing anything that is factually incorrect. If the OP agrees with the sentiment s/he would be best drafting a proper petition that makes sence. The people who signed may not be ignorant but the person who wrote it certainly is.

pitbull_fanatic

ok fair enoug i retract my statement of ignorant signers. but the author on the other hand...i still wont sign it. why should i sign it so that non-restriced breeds dont need leads but i still have to have muzzles and leads. in my area i'm the only person who muzzles my RB. my staffy was sick one day so i left it off them. i got the summons. still to this day people are walking their dogs with no leads and muzzles and nothing said. i'm sick **** of these stupid laws even though its not going to get enforced anyway. they have the same law in a park down here and people here dont have a lead between the lot of them.

Whispered

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

I won't sign it because the information contained in it is not correct,

A perfectly reasonable reason not to sign.

adser53

Whispered wrote: »

Ignorant signers yeah? How ignorant of you!

I signed it and I'm an RB owner, a pretty fanatical RB supporter here in the forum too. Am I the only one who thinks that further restriction on all breeds is only going to further give excuses for the banning of certain breeds? I mean come on, if your average cutsey dog needs to be leashed do you think people will be happy with the similar rules for "the big dangerous" dogs? If they bring in such a law, it will further restrict us RB owners walking our dogs.

Two wrongs don't make a right, to refuse to sign a petition because you own an RB dog is petty as far as I'm concerned. It's wrong to have to have our beloved RB dogs leashed all the time, it's an ignorant law made by ignorant people. It's just as ignorant to expect other owners to do it as well. It shouldn't be a case of them and us. We're all dog owners and we all want what is best for our dog.

People are entitled to their opinion, to call them ignorant with no idea why they signed is just rude.

You all know I'm pretty fanatical about RBs too and I'm a huge advocate of a single set of laws to govern all dogs. Now, I think its wrong for the coco to bring in this law, no arguement there. BUT... I refuse to sign it for the simple reason that it proposes enforcing the RB laws as long as they can continue to let their dogs off. To me that stinks and they are the ones saying its wrong to punish the good owners for the actions of the few bad ones. They're essentially saying "If we police the dangerous dogs, can the rest of us still let our dogs off?"

I do agree with the initial principal of the petition and I would've signed it instantly until RBs were mentioned. I just don't see how any RB owner could agree with the "terms" relevant to our breeds contained in that petition

Whispered

In fairness it says "banned breeds or otherwise dangerous dogs" I took that to mean aggressive or problem dogs regardless of breed. Yes, pure ignorance to even use the term banned breeds of course.

I fully understand why people would not want to sign it, but to be called ignorant for signing annoyed me.

PeakOutput

has anyone in this forum EVER been fined/prosecuted for breaking a bye law relating to their pet? or even a bye law of any type?

CL32

I think Pitbull Fanatic got a summons and large fine for not having either his Staffie or Pitbull muzzled.

adser53

Whispered wrote: »

In fairness it says "banned breeds or otherwise dangerous dogs" I took that to mean aggressive or problem dogs regardless of breed. Yes, pure ignorance to even use the term banned breeds of course.

I fully understand why people would not want to sign it, but to be called ignorant for signing annoyed me.

I think aggressive or dangerous dogs being leashed at all times goes without saying but this petition says banned breeds. Despite the ignorance of that remark, it does refer to restricted breeds and it annoyed me that policing RBs is being used as a bargaining chip so that they can continue to let their dogs off.
I'll not call someone ignorant for signing the petition when they agree with the basic principal of it but to me, the author is ignorant for bringing "banned breeds" into it in the first place

DUBACC

Strum wrote: »

Folks. Have you heard what the Coco are proposing now? This is the Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown CoCo but if it goes through then others will follow.
Bet you havn't read this anywhere in the media.

ALL Dogs on Leads at ALL times...on the Beach, Parks etc etc etc...:eek:
I know you dog haters out there will be saying Good, BUT it's NOT good at all. Sorry.

This is a blanket 24 x 7 x 365 days ban on dogs being exercised off leads on ALL beaches and most parks in the County

In enacting such bye-laws it is apparent that those involved have little or no idea of the care and treatment of dogs. Any manual will advise that dogs need space to run, and to socialise for their physical and mental well being. Dogs exercised regularly are healthier and happier… as are their walkers. In these times of fitness awareness it seems ridiculous for the County Council to deprive people of such regimes.

Responsible dog owners would encourage proper monitoring of beaches to ensure anti-social behaviour by both dogs and their owners. No conscientious owner would like to feel responsible for a child going blind and accepts that cleaning up faeces is a serious and important health and safety issue. The few dog owners that give dog owners in general a bad name should be penalised as appropriate.

Dog walkers would also like to see banned breeds or otherwise dangerous dogs carefully monitored and any offenders properly prosecuted as again this can be a danger to individuals as well as other dogs. But, as most dog owners will acknowledge, problems relating to dogs in open spaces, such as the beaches where they can run free and socialise, are very rare.

We will actively encourage the County Manager to enact sensible bye-laws that will benefit dogs, their owners and the county coffers


Please sign this petition and pass it on. Paste the link on your wall on facebook and ask EVERYBODY to sign it, thanks. WOOF!

http://www.petitiononline.ie/petition/dogs-unleashed/80

Must admit i really hope this is brought in. I despise all dogs - some of their owners are the worst kind of ignorant people when asked to control their dogs. In the park near to where i live, i have been verbally abused when asking politely that they control their dogs as one of two have leapt up on my wife, who is 8 months pregnant. :mad:

In saying that, the majority are courteous and respectful of the fact that both my wife and I are nervous of dogs and call their dogs when we ask. There is an area in our local park for owners to let their dogs run free and i think this is a great idea and one which must run in tandem to any ban on letting dogs off their leash in a public place. Dogs need space to run and a place populated by walkers is not it.

Hellrazer

Ive removed the last 4 posts.

Can users please stop responding to trolls and just report the post?

are you serious

DUBACC wrote: »

Must admit i really hope this is brought in. I despise all dogs - some of their owners are the worst kind of ignorant people when asked to control their dogs. In the park near to where i live, i have been verbally abused when asking politely that they control their dogs as one of two have leapt up on my wife, who is 8 months pregnant. :mad:

In saying that, the majority are courteous and respectful of the fact that both my wife and I are nervous of dogs and call their dogs when we ask. There is an area in our local park for owners to let their dogs run free and i think this is a great idea and one which must run in tandem to any ban on letting dogs off their leash in a public place. Dogs need space to run and a place populated by walkers is not it.

Gotta love your attitude DUBACC, although you do hate dogs you can still appreciate that there are others out there who dont.

Discodog

DUBACC wrote: »

both my wife and I are nervous of dogs

Have you ever considered getting to know dogs better ?. Going through life being nervous of dogs is a nightmare, especially in Ireland. My neighbours & their kids were originally nervous of my dogs. Now they welcome them in their garden & house. Their children have learnt how to communicate with & understand a dog which will be good for the future - it should be taught in primary school.

Chances

I've just signed the petition. I felt sick this weekend when I went to walk the dog in the nearby woods and noticed the newly placed KEEP DOGS ON LEASH signs everywhere. My dog and I love the woods. I feel I've been slapped in the face and denied the pleasure of a local amenity. We walk there on days when the rain is pouring down and there isn't another human being to be seen, as well as on the good days when half the town remembers the place. Anyway, I didn't put him on the lead. I let him enjoy his last walk in the woods, leadfree. There is no point bringing him there leashed. It would be like bringing a seven year old to an adventure park and expecting him to sit quietly by your side. Or as I remarked to a friend this evening, it would be like showing him the walk, but not letting him do the walk.
He is a very energetic (likes to run but is not bouncy,) good mannered, border collie by the way, and has played his part as an ambassador for all dogs by quietly receiving the attention of dog crazy children on some occasions, and on others, allowing parents with frightened children to engage in a little hands on therapy.
I am planning on writing a polite letter to Coillte, expressing my beliefs that while dogs should be under control, they need not necessarily be leashed. Until then I will walk him on the beach, where he is still entitled to have a good gallop. He’s OK about the beach. It’s an ok walk as far as he’s concerned, but he adores the woods which have been taken away from him now. I am beyond fed up now. I really enjoyed the wood for my own sake but also for his, as the enjoyment he got out of it really fed into mine.
I feel for the people on the banned dogs list. Until this happened to me, I must confess I hadn’t given a lot of thought to their plight. And, I suppose as anecdotal evidence that a list of banned breeds is not the solution to the problem, the worst dog I have ever encountered in the woods was a Golden Retriever. Terrifying! Unleashed, aggressive, possibly insane, and completely out of control. However I’ve also met teenagers there who fit the same general description on one or two occasions and I’m not asking for a blanket ban on them. Most teenagers, like most dogs, are pretty decent.
While I can understand and appreciate that some people can be frightened of them, dogs bring so much joy and well being to so many, and their needs for exercise and exploration cannot be met by leashed walks. Anyway, good luck with getting the required amount for your petition. I intend to ask around and see whether there is sufficient support for one in my area.

Whispered

Chances, I know your frustration. And thank you for sympathising with RB owners (they are not banned btw, just restricted )

You will find, now that you can't make your usual walk, that you might need to go further afield to find a woodland area for your dog to be allowed offlead. I have to say, much as I hate the laws surrounding my boys, because of them we have found some beautiful walks, where we never meet a soul, can swim, walk for hours, spot deer, frogs, large areas of wild flowers. Don't despair, just branch out. You'll find somewhere you'll love just as much and your dog will adore new surroundings. So exciting for them!

Graces7

Dreadful situation indeed.

Blessed here with fields we are welcome to use; as long as I can keep to where the cattle are not. The farmer ( our landlord) is more laid back than we are; says the cows will not harm us. I tend to run them early as collie is a car chaser and even though there is a stream etc between us and the road.

kennyw

it is a shame really that all dogs, wheter Rb, or lap dogs, or working dogs lik collies etc, cant enjoy the run off lead in a seculded area such as woods or beachs without all general public having a go at owners or the breed. Just because people dont own dogs they dont understand them, In sayin that, there is always the few that own dogs an still dont understand dogs. an then there are people who are genuinly fearful of dogs, of which i can empthaize with but still the dogs shudnt be punished for the sake of a select few.

All dogs are rightfully entiltled to the land as much as people if not more. Its a shame that what little areas of freedom we as dog owners have to bring our dogs to meet an greet people an other dogs are been limited by sum peoples ignorance and selfishness.

we shudnt have to run off the beat track miles away form everyone to enjoy walking and excerising an bonding with our life long companions.

Correct me if im wrong but i think there is only like 1 or 2 actual dog parks that i no off an each of them are in the capital.. none of which are in other cities such as wexford, waterford or cork.

If the county board want safe places for people and dogs both to mix why dont they just supply the services that will cater for such. it will enable people and dogs alike to make new friends and maybe even build the community spirit without any great deal of effort.

Strum

Hahaha some of you Dog haters are going to hate me for this, but y'know, get a Dog yourselves or get a life!




This was the first day this sign was put up on Killiney Beach and I thought fk this sht!

Same Day some fkr must have been watching and HURRIED over to me saying have you not seen the new sign and with the new by-law.
I said what sign?
He goes, I am authorised by the Coco (County Council) to issue an on the spot fine of 150 euros... to you for not having your Dogs on a Leash.
I said what Dogs?
He said them four there.
I said, they're not my Dogs, they're just following me.
He says, I heard you calling them.
I said yes I did. They're lovely arnt they.
He says, what's your name.
I said Strum Strummer.
He says, I'm serious.
I says, I'm serious too. Check me out on facebook.
He has a fekin notebook in his hand and writes down Strum Strummer and then asks me where I live.
I live in Bono's House Lodge up on Kiliney Hill Road.
He says, what's the address. I said I just told you. Bonos kip on the old Killiney Hill road.
He writes that down.
All the time the Dogs are just sitting there.
I'll be issuing you a fine in the post.
I said cool.

Point is folks. NOBODY, even the Cops cannot ask you for your name and address in a public place. You can just basically tell them to go fk themselves and the Cops will probably take you to the station where you DO have to give them your name and address, but only there in the Station. If it's not a Cop, just walk away.

The CoCo are NEVER going to be able to enforce this new by-law. NEVER! I'm a Rebel and I will fight it tooth and nail!

Trying to make a few quid out of Dog owners. What a cheek!

Just saying folks, if any arsehole comes at you waving a notebook in this situation, give them a false name and address, or just ignore them altogether as if they wern't there. What can they do? Seriously?
Fk you Dun Laoghaire / Rathdown CoCo! A 12 mile stretch of Beach and my Dogs can't run loose? Yeah right!

Know your rights folks.

Woof!

Cherry Blossom

Well, that's great but they can also seize and remove any 'stray' dog they find on the beach, then what?

Strum

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Well, that's great but they can also seize and remove any 'stray' dog they find on the beach, then what?

Who can? "THEY" Some 25 year old bloke in a Red Jacket and a notebook who I think is employed as a blo*dy Lifeguard?
Haha, I'd have a better chance of winning a Court case against him for harrassment than he could trying to prove I had my Dogs loose.

Strum

Chances wrote: »

I've just signed the petition. I felt sick this weekend when I went to walk the dog in the nearby woods and noticed the newly placed KEEP DOGS ON LEASH signs everywhere. My dog and I love the woods. I feel I've been slapped in the face and denied the pleasure of a local amenity. We walk there on days when the rain is pouring down and there isn't another human being to be seen, as well as on the good days when half the town remembers the place. Anyway, I didn't put him on the lead. I let him enjoy his last walk in the woods, leadfree. There is no point bringing him there leashed. It would be like bringing a seven year old to an adventure park and expecting him to sit quietly by your side. Or as I remarked to a friend this evening, it would be like showing him the walk, but not letting him do the walk.
He is a very energetic (likes to run but is not bouncy,) good mannered, border collie by the way, and has played his part as an ambassador for all dogs by quietly receiving the attention of dog crazy children on some occasions, and on others, allowing parents with frightened children to engage in a little hands on therapy.
I am planning on writing a polite letter to Coillte, expressing my beliefs that while dogs should be under control, they need not necessarily be leashed. Until then I will walk him on the beach, where he is still entitled to have a good gallop. He’s OK about the beach. It’s an ok walk as far as he’s concerned, but he adores the woods which have been taken away from him now. I am beyond fed up now. I really enjoyed the wood for my own sake but also for his, as the enjoyment he got out of it really fed into mine.
I feel for the people on the banned dogs list. Until this happened to me, I must confess I hadn’t given a lot of thought to their plight. And, I suppose as anecdotal evidence that a list of banned breeds is not the solution to the problem, the worst dog I have ever encountered in the woods was a Golden Retriever. Terrifying! Unleashed, aggressive, possibly insane, and completely out of control. However I’ve also met teenagers there who fit the same general description on one or two occasions and I’m not asking for a blanket ban on them. Most teenagers, like most dogs, are pretty decent.
While I can understand and appreciate that some people can be frightened of them, dogs bring so much joy and well being to so many, and their needs for exercise and exploration cannot be met by leashed walks. Anyway, good luck with getting the required amount for your petition. I intend to ask around and see whether there is sufficient support for one in my area.

Lovely post!

are you serious

Strum wrote: »

NOBODY, even the Cops cannot ask you for your name and address in a public place. You can just basically tell them to go fk themselves and the Cops will probably take you to the station where you DO have to give them your name and address, but only there in the Station. If it's not a Cop, just walk away.

I think you'l find you really need to read up on the law, Gardai can ask you for your name and address in any Public Place (Section 24 of the Public Order Act) or if you would prefer (Common Law) both give Gardai power to ask you for your details, providing them with false details could possibly lead to you being arrested and then charged.. Gardai can ask you whatever they feel like asking you whenever and wherever you are. You do not exctly have to answer any question they ask but they can ask whatever they want!
Telling the cops to go fk themselves wouldnt be advisable either, no doubt it will also end up with a second charge

I for one will not be trying your attempts, arrested and dogs seized, yeah great plan!! :rolleyes:

Strum

Ok, I only mentioned the Gardai to say that they are the only ones that are permitted to ask you personal details, and I was under the impression that you can deny that unless you are under arrest or on suspicion of something, and you must be taken to a Station first?

My point was that NOBODY has to give their personal details to a stranger with a notebook. And how is this individual going to impound four Dogs out in the middle of nowhere on a beach?
And even if he magically could, how much will it cost the state to keep my Dogs in the Pound till I go through the Court process to get them back?

are you serious

Strum you seem like an intelligent person, just stop coming across as an ignoramus.

Seriously do you think you'l be the first person that a dog warden has come up against who has gave false or misleading information to. I'm not at all up to date on the legislation on providing dog wardens with false or misleading information, I will check it out and get back to you if you like!?

You can guarantee in the following weeks your local warden will be back, with his van and if your claiming these dogs are not yours they will most definitely become his!
When you get that slap of reality you will then give your correct details to him sharpish :rolleyes:

What next, double the fine, 1st time being for when you told him your name is Strum Strummer, second for the time he takes your dogs! I'm guessing there is some offence there for providing false information to the warden with another nice fine too!

From one dog lover to another, i'm just trying to help

Discodog

Strum wrote: »

Who can? "THEY" Some 25 year old bloke in a Red Jacket and a notebook who I think is employed as a blo*dy Lifeguard?
Haha, I'd have a better chance of winning a Court case against him for harrassment than he could trying to prove I had my Dogs loose.

Your ideas & attitude will just encourage more restrictive dog laws. Dogs should be in control especially in a public area where there are children. Unfortunately, because some people do not control their dog when it is off lead, we all end up having to put our dogs on lead. The same can apply to forest or wildlife areas where out of control dogs can cause problems.

If dog owners acted responsibly then many these laws would not be introduced as they often arise from numerous complaints.

Discodog

Chances wrote: »

There is no point bringing him there leashed. It would be like bringing a seven year old to an adventure park and expecting him to sit quietly by your side.

It's not as good as being off lead but a 24 ft flexi does allow a fair bit of freedom.

Chances

Discodog wrote: »

It's not as good as being off lead but a 24 ft flexi does allow a fair bit of freedom.

To be honest, he's less dangerous off the lead as he has quite a bit of common sense. What's going to happen when a cyclist or a group of runners comes around a corner and run into a 24 ft dog leash? One complaint, that is, ONE complaint from a lady who had a verbal with a dog-owner got the “all dogs on leashes” sign in my local woods. Next thing you know we'll have “all dogs on short leashes,” signs as I saw on a walk I went on in England recently. (It almost reduced me to tears even though the dog was at home.) Anyway, my point is that the “all dogs must be on leashes” signs are an overreaction to the behaviour of a minority of badly behaved owners. Seriously, tying decent people and their animals up in laws because of a problem with a minority is massively intolerant and unfair, IMO. I don't bring him to the woods anymore. I can't even bring myself to drive by it anymore. Yup, I'm still hurting about the whole business.

But thank you for your suggestion. Dogs on leads in places where there are no cars is just wrong in my world view.

Discodog

Chances wrote: »

Anyway, my point is that the “all dogs must be on leashes” signs are an overreaction to the behaviour of a minority of badly behaved owners.

I suspect that, in some areas, it's more than a minority. It is very difficult to prosecute or enforce control laws. You can't have wardens everywhere & how do you prove that an off lead dog is out of control ? I recently saw a dog owner who allowed his dog to defecate on a beach where children were playing. He made no attempt to clean up & no one on the beach said a thing !

A friend of mine is a National Trust warden in the UK. He put up some signs asking dog walkers to put their dogs on lead in a particular area to protect ground nesting birds during the nesting season. People ignored it so a total off lead ban will be next.

hdowney

I am curious Strum. Did this individual who came up to you and said they were authorized by the coco to take the €150 on the spot fine provide you with any evidence of same - like id and stuff from the coco that said they were authorized? Or did they just say they were and expect you to had over your money to some stranger.

I mean any old randomer could come up to you, say they are authorized by the coco to take the fine and fleece you for your money. There is no way in heck I would just accept somebody's word that they were allowed. I'd be wanting proof etc.

Discodog

hdowney wrote: »

I mean any old randomer could come up to you, say they are authorized by the coco to take the fine and fleece you for your money. There is no way in heck I would just accept somebody's word that they were allowed. I'd be wanting proof etc.

There were rumours of people pretending to be dog wardens & taking dogs.

hdowney

Discodog wrote: »

There were rumours of people pretending to be dog wardens & taking dogs.

i have heard of this before too. people calling to your door and stuff saying they are a warden, there have been several complaints etc so they must take your dog and you must do x, y, and z to get the dog back. of course try to find where this 'warden' had taken your dog and you got nowhere cos they were not a warden and your dog had been robbed.

tis always the same. ask for proof of who they say they are. they try to drum this into old people all the time when it comes to callers to the door, so old people don't get conned. but they don't think to tell everybody the same thing, and i think a lot of younger people are complacent and too trusting as well and assume if so and so says they are from wherever then they must be.

hyper vigilance is necessary in this day and age.

Strum

I have seen this guy on the Beach before. I actually think he is employed as a lifeguard and is doing this on behalf of the Dog Warden because there is only ONE Warden in the dun Laoghaire district and surrounding areas.
They will never be able to enforce this. Nobody is going to give a stranger their name and address to wait for a fine through the mail.



A free Dog is a Happy Dog! Woof!


My Dogs don't bark at people, nor do they jump up on people. They also come to me on instant recall which is called "under effective control"

How else would I get them to pose like that!

It is the mindlessness of a minority of Dog owners that have these stupid by-laws in effect.
Apart from the council and another way to impose revenue collection. :mad:

MarthaMyDear

Strum wrote: »

Love the picture

tatabubbly

See the thing is, i'm kinda in favour of this if they had proper dog parks set up in each county with some by the sea.

I have two JRT and I always have them leased if they go out. If they are out the back they are in the new dog pen, so they have plenty of space to run about, if they are in the house they have plenty of room to run around.Their leads hang by the front door and when we're going out they go on? I understand some people would be frustrated, but i'm more frustrated when some dog in heat comes over to my two girls and tries to hump the bejesus out of them cos the owner won't put a lead on the dog. Now mine are neutered but that's not to say the other dog was.

What happens if my wee mongrals weren't neutered and had to go to the vets to get the jab after? Is it my fault for walking them or the other persons? Cos we all know the chances of getting a stranger to pay for vet bills in second to none. All the stories you hear on boards, the worst ones are from dogs being unleased.

If you are going to walk a dog on a beach why not get a flexi lead or a recall training lead which are 10meters and huge. In this day and age can we not put a lead on our dogs??