Speed Camera Van SPEEDING!!

jeoun

Driving home today in Galway, and a speed camera van pulled out in front of me. It continued in front of me for about 20 mins, and it was definitely speeding in a 80 km/h zone. I was going bang on 80 km/h, and he increased the gap in front of me by at least 100m in the space of 20-30 seconds. This road was a narrow residential area, in the Lydican area of Claregalway Co. Galway (if anyone knows that).

Is there somewhere I can report this van? I dont know if I can give his reg number on this but it was a 10-LK reg. Maybe anyone has seen this around.

Antiquo

So was he being chased by a car driven by masked men throwing molotov's at it?

andyseadog

looking forward to this thread

Tigger

jeoun wrote: »

Driving home today in Galway, and a speed camera van pulled out in front of me. It continued in front of me for about 20 mins, and it was definitely speeding in a 80 km/h zone. I was going bang on 80 km/h, and he increased the gap in front of me by at least 100m in the space of 20-30 seconds. This road was a narrow residential area, in the Lydican area of Claregalway Co. Galway (if anyone knows that).

Is there somewhere I can report this van? I dont know if I can give his reg number on this but it was a 10-LK reg. Maybe anyone has seen this around.

lol ring the garda 1800 number: road grass or whatever its called

Gophur

jeoun wrote: »

Driving home today in Galway, and a speed camera van pulled out in front of me. It continued in front of me for about 20 mins, and it was definitely speeding in a 80 km/h zone. I was going bang on 80 km/h, and he increased the gap in front of me by at least 100m in the space of 20-30 seconds. This road was a narrow residential area, in the Lydican area of Claregalway Co. Galway (if anyone knows that).

Is there somewhere I can report this van? I dont know if I can give his reg number on this but it was a 10-LK reg. Maybe anyone has seen this around.

How about you get a life? Really, in all fairness, are you that upset about this you'd make a fool of yourself in front of the Gardai.

100m in 30 seconds means he was travelling at what speed?

Reg'stoy

Your speedo could be out by as much as 10%, so you might have been only doing 72kphish, was the a line of traffic been held up behind you. Where as the speed van could have been going the correct speed and not impeding other drivers.

A 100 metre gap in half a minute is not foot to the floor escaping from the law speed.

Sarcasm may be present in the above post

testicle

jeoun wrote: »

Driving home today in Galway, and a speed camera van pulled out in front of me. It continued in front of me for about 20 mins, and it was definitely speeding in a 80 km/h zone. I was going bang on 80 km/h, and he increased the gap in front of me by at least 100m in the space of 20-30 seconds. This road was a narrow residential area, in the Lydican area of Claregalway Co. Galway (if anyone knows that).

Is there somewhere I can report this van? I dont know if I can give his reg number on this but it was a 10-LK reg. Maybe anyone has seen this around.

How were you measuring your "bang on 80km/h" ?

100m in 30 seconds is 12km/h faster than you.

pa990

Phone Joe

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Get a life. If you are going by your speedo then you were certainly less than 80kmh. He was doing in the region of 90 by your reckoning (and about 100m in about 30 seconds isn't very accurate); chances are he was doing nothing like it.

jeoun

testicle wrote: »

How were you measuring your "bang on 80km/h" ?

100m in 30 seconds is 12km/h faster than you.

Digital Speedometer. So if my speedometer is correct, then he was doing 92 km/h in a 80 zone, so HE WAS SPEEDING. If my speedometer is out, and I was doing say 72 km/h, he was doing 84 km/h so HE WAS SPEEDING. They have been issuing tickets in Galway to people for doing 62 km/h in a 60 zone.

I would probably never report this incident because I would have no proof, but I was just making a comment. ALSO I WAS NOT HOLDING UP TRAFFIC AS THE ABOVE HAS SO SARCASTICALLY CLAIMED!

jeoun

Kannon Sparse Wheelbarrow wrote: »

Get a life. If you are going by your speedo then you were certainly less than 80kmh. He was doing in the region of 90 by your reckoning (and about 100m in about 30 seconds isn't very accurate); chances are he was doing nothing like it.

What is with all the vicious attacks aimed at me!!

Why are you defending these people who have made so much money over the last few months out of giving tickets to people for being 1 or 2 km over the speed limit. I know what I saw, and I KNOW he was speeding! I am all for safety on the road, but they have been taking the p**s out of people lately.

Jimmy Bottlehead

I'm a bit shocked at all the 'get a life' replies... These speed, sorry, 'safety' vans get ripped into here but when it comes to possible getting one of them a slap on the wrist, people climb aboard the highest horse possible?

Sound.

Gophur

jeoun wrote: »

What is with all the vicious attacks aimed at me!!

Why are you defending these people who have made so much money over the last few months out of giving tickets to people for being 1 or 2 km over the speed limit. I know what I saw, and I KNOW he was speeding! I am all for safety on the road, but they have been taking the p**s out of people lately.

Vicious attacks? Hardly.

Can you name one single person who was ticketed for 1kph over the speed limit?

Have you a calibrated speed detection apparatus?

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

I'm a bit shocked at all the 'get a life' replies... These speed, sorry, 'safety' vans get ripped into here but when it comes to possible getting one of them a slap on the wrist, people climb aboard the highest horse possible?

Sound.

No high horse, just some realism injected into what is a hysterical rant against the spectra van.


What, exactly, does the Op expect to happen? A Garda to take his complaint and thoroughly investigate the allegation? Despite the OP not having any calibrated apparatus for measuring speed, and, as per his post, up to 50% delta in his calculations of time/speed.


If the OP makes such an allegation he will look like a fool.

Best to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove any doubt! As the man says!

Guy:Incognito

jeoun wrote: »

They have been issuing tickets in Galway to people for doing 62 km/h in a 60 zone.
!

Have they, really? Any chance someone could scan in their fine showing this. For years peopel have been saying things like that yet I've never seen any proof of it.

Iwannahurl

Personally I am all in favour of policing the police. Law enforcers have to show good example, otherwise if they are seen to be misbehaving that will breed cynicism and contempt for the law. There's enough of that kind of thing around already.

However, you'd need a much higher standard of proof than that suggested so far. Maybe one of these gizmos could help.

squod

Gophur wrote: »

Vicious attacks? Hardly.

Can you name one single person who was ticketed for 1kph over the speed limit?

Have you a calibrated speed detection apparatus?





No high horse, just some realism injected into what is a hysterical rant against the spectra van.


What, exactly, does the Op expect to happen? A Garda to take his complaint and thoroughly investigate the allegation? Despite the OP not having any calibrated apparatus for measuring speed, and, as per his post, up to 50% delta in his calculations of time/speed.


If the OP makes such an allegation he will look like a fool.

Best to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove any doubt! As the man says!

Traffic watch numbers on signs all over the gaff and probably not getting used because of this kind of thinking. You're no fool OP.

-Corkie-

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Personally I am all in favour of policing the police. Law enforcers have to show good example, otherwise if they are seen to be misbehaving that will breed cynicism and contempt for the law. There's enough of that kind of thing around already.

However, you'd need a much higher standard of proof than that suggested so far. Maybe one of these gizmos could help.

Actually if the OP had a dash cam with the GPS it would show his speed and location. The only thing is the cops could do him for speeding from the evidence he provided...:p

challengemaster

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Personally I am all in favour of policing the police. Law enforcers have to show good example, otherwise if they are seen to be misbehaving that will breed cynicism and contempt for the law. There's enough of that kind of thing around already.

However, you'd need a much higher standard of proof than that suggested so far. Maybe one of these gizmos could help.

Considering the Gardaí tend to go on the EXACT same evidence provided by the OP (ie. He looked like he was speeding, gained X distance in X time ) etc and it's considered valid for issuing fines/tickets - as we've seen in a few threads on this forum, I don't see why double standards should apply.

jeoun

challengemaster wrote: »

Considering the Gardaí tend to go on the EXACT same evidence provided by the OP (ie. He looked like he was speeding, gained X distance in X time ) etc and it's considered valid for issuing fines/tickets - as we've seen in a few threads on this forum, I don't see why double standards should apply.

Thank you. I now wish I didn't even bother posting this message. Typical Irish response to this. You're damned if you do and your damned if you don't.

Iwannahurl

challengemaster wrote: »

Considering the Gardaí tend to go on the EXACT same evidence provided by the OP (ie. He looked like he was speeding, gained X distance in X time ) etc and it's considered valid for issuing fines/tickets - as we've seen in a few threads on this forum, I don't see why double standards should apply.

Are you saying AGS prosecute motorists based on what they said was on their own speedo, and on their own estimate of time-over-distance? No calibrated speed measuring devices involved?

-Corkie-

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Are you saying AGS prosecute motorists based on what they said was on their own speedo, and on their own estimate of time-over-distance? No calibrated speed measuring devices involved?

A cop told me before its a way worse to be reported by a joe soap providing they make a statment over a normal cop.

challengemaster

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Are you saying AGS prosecute motorists based on what they said was on their own speedo, and on their own estimate of time-over-distance? No calibrated speed measuring devices involved?

Thats exactly what im saying. You're surprised?

Officer Giggles

challengemaster wrote: »

Considering the Gardaí tend to go on the EXACT same evidence provided by the OP (ie. He looked like he was speeding, gained X distance in X time ) etc and it's considered valid for issuing fines/tickets - as we've seen in a few threads on this forum, I don't see why double standards should apply.

no they dont, a judge would throw that straight out the door, if a garda used the speedo in the car as their base line then they would have to have a calibration certificate produced in court to prove the speedo was correct and even then i would highly doubt a judge would run with it

Iwannahurl

I am surprised actually, since I had not seen the other threads/posts you mentioned. That said, I'm aware generally that it is possible to be convicted in a court based on evidence in the form of the word of a Garda.

My guess would have been that the speed would have to be measured by a calibrated device. Have there not been cases where charges of speeding were struck out because such technology was successfully challenged in court?

slimjimmc

There is no requirement to measure speed using a calibrated device. If fact they don't even have to show any evidence that any apparatus used to measure speed is accurate, the law explicitly assumes it already is.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2010/en/act/pub/0025/print.html#sec81

So if you want to challenge how the speed was measured it's entirely up to you to prove the measurements were wrong or the paperwork wasn't processed correctly.

vectra

Why didnt you pass him out and slam on the brakes
That'd slow him down I bet.

of course i am only joking.. i would never do nor suggest to any other road user to do it..

Iwannahurl

slimjimmc wrote: »

There is no requirement to measure speed using a calibrated device. If fact they don't even have to show any evidence that any apparatus used to measure speed is accurate, the law explicitly assumes it already is.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2010/en/act/pub/0025/print.html#sec81

So if you want to challenge how the speed was measured it's entirely up to you to prove the measurements were wrong or the paperwork wasn't processed correctly.

Thanks for that. Interesting.

I'm no lawyer, but I imagine that in relation to speed measuring devices the references to prima facie evidence and approved apparatus are of central importance. I notice also that "the uncorroborated evidence of one witness stating his opinion as to [the alleged] speed shall not be accepted as proof of that speed."

Perhaps the legislation is constructed that way in order to prevent police and court time being wasted with endless attempts by motorists and their lawyers to find ways of weaseling out of a conviction.

jimmynokia

well if them speeding van fcukers are here making money on us offenders they should not be speeding should they?
so what i would like to see is somebody catch such an incident on video and show the world and see what comes out of it
these are not the gardai so they must pay the penalty like everybody else as far as im concerned
thats what its turned into now with these speeding vans

A LICENCE TO PRINT MONEY
JUST LIKE THE TOLL BRIDGES

dougie-lampkin

It's not like the van itself decided to speed of its own accord. It's still another joe soap at the wheel, working just like anyone else driving a commercial on the roads. Just because his job happens to be parking up and letting a machine take photos of cars doesn't mean he personally condemns speeding.

OP, if it was a regular white commercial van would you have started this thread and threatened to report him to the guards? Because there's no difference in the drivers of those two vans.

Guy:Incognito

jimmynokia wrote: »

what i would like to see is somebody catch such an incident on video and show the world and see what comes out of it
these are not the gardai so they must pay the penalty like everybody else as far as im concerned

They would be if they are caught like anyone else. Videoing them and looking to get them doneis a bit hypocritical unless your logging all your own speeding and taking it to the Gards.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

jeoun wrote: »

What is with all the vicious attacks aimed at me!!

Why are you defending these people who have made so much money over the last few months out of giving tickets to people for being 1 or 2 km over the speed limit. I know what I saw, and I KNOW he was speeding! I am all for safety on the road, but they have been taking the p**s out of people lately.

The more money they take from speeding drivers the better, in my book. That said I don't believe that old cry that they are just trying to raise money. If people speed then they should be fined and pointed.
Not defending them but answering the nonsense about how fast the van was going - irrespective of who they were.

jimmynokia

the whole thing with this speeding its there rules against ours a cop car just drove down my road at at least 130 km ph not a bother people on the road playing and walking if that was any Joe soap what would happen? well we all know the answer to that could not get my camera out fast enough to capture it,would have loved to get it up for people to see

Reg'stoy

^^^^^^^^
What?

Take a breath and try again

younggalway

im really suprised at the reaction to this, i live in the area mentioned by the OP and am well aware of the presence of these f'n vans around the place, was personally caught doin about 5km/h over a 50km/h speed limit in briarhill. these vans are constantly there at peak times ensuring they will make a killing with a fine given to most drivers who dont see the sneaky b******s till its 2 late.
I say fair play 2 whoever burnt out da van last week, the joy in the driving is gone. I just set the cruise control to whatever ridicolous limit i see and start daydreaming...

Another money making scheme to fuk over the people of this joke of a country. Well done OP, report the bastard

Reg'stoy

We should have a support group for all those caught speeding, but who were only speeding a little bit your lordship.

Get over yourselves, the van might or might not have been speeding the question is moot anyway as there is no real proof. I'll nail my colours to the mast and say you speed and get caught I'm not going to feel sorry for you. No one gets done for 62 in a 60 zone and as for 55 in a 50 you're in a built up area so no excuse for not knowing the limit.

Do people here honestly think that in smoke filled rooms shady figures sit around, wondering how best they can squeeze money from the ordinary motorist by sneekly placing those nasty speed vans just where we'll get caught. Do ye honestly think that all Gardai will wake up tomorrow morning with the express intent of screwing ye for every little cent you haven't spent on fuel.

Christ on a effing bike we all need to get real and not act like we're in an episode of the x files. Simple choice folks.... decide to obey posted limits or not and suffer the conseqences.

challengemaster

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Do people here honestly think that in smoke filled rooms shady figures sit around, wondering how best they can squeeze money from the ordinary motorist by sneekly placing those nasty speed vans just where we'll get caught. Do ye honestly think that all Gardai will wake up tomorrow morning with the express intent of screwing ye for every little cent you haven't spent on fuel.
.

Actually yes, that's exactly the country you live in. Glad you've realised.

Tigger

challengemaster wrote: »

Actually yes, that's exactly the country you live in. Glad you've realised.

any one that dosen't believe this read the law again regarding callibration

81.— (1) The onus of establishing prima facie proof of a constituent of an offence (including the speed at which a person, whether the accused or another person, was driving) under section 47, 52, 53, 55, 91, 92, 93 or 94 of the Principal Act, section 35 of the Act of 1994 or section 138 of the Railway Safety Act 2005 may be discharged by tendering evidence from which that constituent can be inferred of measurements or other indications which were given by—

(a) electronic or other apparatus (including a camera) capable of providing a permanent record (including a permanent visual record) and are contained in such a record produced by it, or

(b) electronic or other apparatus (including a radar gun) which is not capable of producing a permanent record.

It is not necessary to prove that the electronic or other apparatus was accurate or in good working order.

so a gard "could" just make up the numbers or "could" be using a gun thast reads wrong

lol

mickob16

jeoun wrote: »

What is with all the vicious attacks aimed at me!!

Why are you defending these people who have made so much money over the last few months out of giving tickets to people for being 1 or 2 km over the speed limit. I know what I saw, and I KNOW he was speeding! I am all for safety on the road, but they have been taking the p**s out of people lately.

Your dead right OP.Would the rest of ye have same attitude when the fine comes in for doing 5km over.Are ye going to say thats ok i was speeding and deserve to be fined.No we all curse and swear about the injustice of a state that screws us at every turn.So dont be arseholes.

Iwannahurl

younggalway wrote: »

im really suprised at the reaction to this, i live in the area mentioned by the OP and am well aware of the presence of these f'n vans around the place, was personally caught doin about 5km/h over a 50km/h speed limit in briarhill. these vans are constantly there at peak times ensuring they will make a killing with a fine given to most drivers who dont see the sneaky b******s till its 2 late.
I say fair play 2 whoever burnt out da van last week, the joy in the driving is gone. I just set the cruise control to whatever ridicolous limit i see and start daydreaming...

Another money making scheme to fuk over the people of this joke of a country. Well done OP, report the bastard

Boards has a special forum just for conspiracy theories.

Personally I am not inclined to take too seriously anecdotal reports of people being caught doing one or two km over the speed limit. Unless the officially measured speed is cited on a speeding ticket then in many if not most cases such reports amount to little more than individual motorist's impressions of the speed they were doing when they were 'flashed' by the camera.

tfitzgerald

I agree with the op he should be reported

gazmic1

jeoun wrote: »

Digital Speedometer. So if my speedometer is correct, then he was doing 92 km/h in a 80 zone, so HE WAS SPEEDING. If my speedometer is out, and I was doing say 72 km/h, he was doing 84 km/h so HE WAS SPEEDING. They have been issuing tickets in Galway to people for doing 62 km/h in a 60 zone.

I would probably never report this incident because I would have no proof, but I was just making a comment. ALSO I WAS NOT HOLDING UP TRAFFIC AS THE ABOVE HAS SO SARCASTICALLY CLAIMED!

Thats a lie they dont give tickeys for 2k over the limit. They have a threshhold which more like 10 no way is it only 2k. If he was speeding he deserves to get caught but not for 4 k over. i don't think your 100m in 20 sec would stand up in court.

gazmic1

younggalway wrote: »

im really suprised at the reaction to this, i live in the area mentioned by the OP and am well aware of the presence of these f'n vans around the place, was personally caught doin about 5km/h over a 50km/h speed limit in briarhill. these vans are constantly there at peak times ensuring they will make a killing with a fine given to most drivers who dont see the sneaky b******s till its 2 late.
I say fair play 2 whoever burnt out da van last week, the joy in the driving is gone. I just set the cruise control to whatever ridicolous limit i see and start daydreaming...

Another money making scheme to fuk over the people of this joke of a country. Well done OP, report the bastard

Another lie you did not get a ticket for 5 over the limit. AS I said before on here my neighbour drives 1 and there is noway you got a ticket for that.

mickob16

gazmic1 wrote: »

Thats a lie they dont give tickeys for 2k over the limit. They have a threshhold which more like 10 no way is it only 2k. If he was speeding he deserves to get caught but not for 4 k over. i don't think your 100m in 20 sec would stand up in court.

My sister got done for doing 65km in a 60km zone in Waterford

-Corkie-

gazmic1 wrote: »

Another lie you did not get a ticket for 5 over the limit. AS I said before on here my neighbour drives 1 and there is noway you got a ticket for that.

So your neighbour drives one.....How do you form the opinion that everyone here is lying???

Me thinks your neighbour tells you that so you wont be miffed at him. I doubt he tells you `Oh I drive a gosafe van and I do anyone going over the limit by 2KMS.

What would your thinking on that be??

Iwannahurl

mickob16 wrote: »

My sister got done for doing 65km in a 60km zone in Waterford

1. How do you know she was clocked at 65?

2. By the way, it's worth remembering that small excesses in speed can have a significant effect, even though the excess may feel subjectively trivial.

ironclaw

gazmic1 wrote: »

Thats a lie they dont give tickeys for 2k over the limit. They have a threshhold which more like 10 no way is it only 2k.

Thats incorrect. There is no official threshold. Your speedo is likely to be off by ±3km/h as such if your doing 55km/h by your speedo, your probably closer to 50km/h if not below. So if your doing 60km/h by speedo past a van in a 50km/h zone, your more than likely over. Digital or Analogue, both types of speedo are the same. The threshold is on your side of the wheel hence why most people say "I did 65km/h past a Garda and I was fine" More than likely his gun was reading bang on 60.

Now, its likely they would only "do you" at for example 62 in a 60 to air on the side of caution. Remembering their equipment has a ±1km/h tolerance. Hence at 62 in a 60, your definitely over.

You also have to ask, if its 50km/h why should someone be let off for 54km/h? Your over the limit. You can't half murder someone or half rob bank. Its black and white.

The problem is the speed limits in my eyes i.e. 80km/h on a back country road while its 60 down an arrow straight by pass.

gazmic1

-Corkie- wrote: »

So your neighbour drives one.....How do you form the opinion that everyone here is lying???

Me thinks your neighbour tells you that so you wont be miffed at him. I doubt he tells you `Oh I drive a gosafe van and I do anyone going over the limit by 2KMS.

What would your thinking on that be??

I know there is a threshhold . It is not 2 r 5. there has to be an allowance to allow for human error otherwise they would be in court every week. I am willing to bet no one on this forum could produce a scan of a speeding fine only 2 or even 5 over the limit.

-Corkie-

gazmic1 wrote: »

I know for a fact what the threshhold is. It is not 2 r 5. there has to be an allowance to allow for human error otherwise they would be in court every week. I am willing to bet no one on this forum could produce a scan of a speeding fine only 2 or even 5 over the limit.

Me thinks you are your neighbour.

gazmic1

-Corkie- wrote: »

Me thinks you are your neighbour.

If I was I would say it sure who knows me

slimjimmc

ironclaw wrote: »

Thats incorrect. There is no official threshold. Your speedo is likely to be off by ±3km/h as such if your doing 55km/h by your speedo, your probably closer to 50km/h if not below. So if your doing 60km/h by speedo past a van in a 50km/h zone, your more than likely over. Digital or Analogue, both types of speedo are the same. The threshold is on your side of the wheel hence why most people say "I did 65km/h past a Garda and I was fine" More than likely his gun was reading bang on 60.

Now, its likely they would only "do you" at for example 62 in a 60 to air on the side of caution. Remembering their equipment has a ±1km/h tolerance. Hence at 62 in a 60, your definitely over.

You also have to ask, if its 50km/h why should someone be let off for 54km/h? Your over the limit. You can't half murder someone or half rob bank. Its black and white.

The problem is the speed limits in my eyes i.e. 80km/h on a back country road while its 60 down an arrow straight by pass.

Under international treaty and EU type-approval law, the tolerance of all standard speedometers (analogue and digital) fitted for use by the general public is an over-read of +4km/h with an extra tolerance between 0% to 10% depending on speed. Therefore, for a true speed of 50km/h, speedo will show at least 54km/h. Speedometers do not have a negative tolerance so cannot read less than true speed+4km/h. All this of course assumes you haven't fitted extra large tyres which increase the rolling radius thereby giving more road travel per revolution of the wheel.

If Mickob16's sister was recorded doing 65km/h in a 60km/h zone her speedometer would have been showing at least 69km/h. Most people who are concerned about abiding by the speed limit tend to keep the needle hovering around the 60km/h mark which would have left her in the clear. Sound's like she got caught fair and square.

Pulsating Star

ironclaw wrote: »

The problem is the speed limits in my eyes i.e. 80km/h on a back country road while its 60 down an arrow straight by pass.

Absolutely, creeping through some stretches with excellent visibility and no exits etc can seem to make time slow down, much less traffic.