Ranking The Best - Quarterbacks

Peyton Manning

Wasn't as many replies as I had hoped in the cornerbacks thread, so get voting folks! Even if your stuck for time and just take someone elses list and re-arrange it to reflect your own tastes.

Anyway, why delay the inevitable - this is the one most people do in their head anyway so shouldn't be any trouble typing them out! Same rules apply

1. Tom Brady (NE)
2. Peyton Manning (IND)
3. Aaron Rodgers (GB)
4. Drew Brees (NO)
5. Ben Roethlisberger (PIT)
6. Philip Rivers (SD)
7. Matt Ryan (ATL)
8. Michael Vick (PHI)
9. Josh Freeman (TB)
10. Matt Schaub (HOU)

frostie500

I found it pretty tough to actually pick my top ten, because there is quite a gap from the best seven or eight QBs in the league to the rest of the field. As a result I've split my selection into a few distinct groups.

Here goes anyway!
The elite:
1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Drew Brees

The very good:
4. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Philip Rivers

Should make the jump to the next level in the next 12 months:
7. Mike Vick
8. Matt Ryan
9. Josh Freeman

The gaggle of QBs that could make the jump to being very good but need to show consistently that they can get the job done:
10. Pick any player from this group:
Joe Flacco, Matt Cassel, Tony Romo, Mark Sanchez, Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub or Sam Bradford

Each player listed in each category I rate at pretty much the same level as their peers so the order of them doesnt really matter too much, in my mind at least!

Players like Vick, Ryan and Freeman could easily make the jump to the second tier this year. I'm a huge fan of Matt Ryan and he is the best young QB in the league as far as I am concerned. He doesnt turn the ball over and is exceptionally smart, he looks more than ready to lead a team to success but I just think that right now he isnt as good a complete package as the players ahead of him. Same goes for Vick, if he can play like he did this year on a consistent basis I would have no hesitation putting him in the top five but for now he is a bit lower. Same goes for Freeman, you only have one year of him starting so its a tough evaluation, he looks to be the real deal so lets wait til he develops.

The final players listed I think could all be very good, especially Bradford, but right now they need to be in a good system to put up the numbers. Each has the ability but they are all lacking a little bit in my eyes to be called the number 10 player in my list so its pick one of them as you please!

Mr. Guappa

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Peyton Manning
4. Drew Brees
5. Phillip Rivers
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Michael Vick
8. Matt Ryan
9. Josh Freeman
10. Tony Romo

And you've only got 9 in your list Archie.

TaosHum

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Michael Vick
8. Josh Freeman
9. Matt Ryan
10. Jay Cutler

TaosHum

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Wasn't as many replies as I had hoped in the cornerbacks thread, so get voting folks! Even if your stuck for time and just take someone elses list and re-arrange it to reflect your own tastes.

Anyway, why delay the inevitable - this is the one most people do in their head anyway so shouldn't be any trouble typing them out! Same rules apply

1. Tom Brady (NE)
2. Peyton Manning (IND)
3. Aaron Rodgers (GB)
4. Drew Brees (NO)
5. Ben Roethlisberger (PIT)
6. Philip Rivers (SD)
7. Matt Ryan (ATL)
8. Michael Vick (PHI)
9. Josh Freeman (TB)
10. Matt Schaub (HOU)

Lol our top 6 are identical.

Mr. Guappa

TaosHum wrote: »

Lol our top 6 are identical.

My 10th pick was the most difficult! I'd say the majority of people will have the same 9 names in the 1-9 slots. As frostie mentioned there is then a bunch after those 9 who are all around a similar level. I went for Romo out of those just because I like the guy, but I can't really argue with anyone who choses Schuab/Cassel/Cutler/Eli instead as they are all at a similar level.

TaosHum

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

My 10th pick was the most difficult! I'd say the majority of people will have the same 9 names in the 1-9 slots. As frostie mentioned there is then a bunch after those 9 who are all around a similar level. I went for Romo out of those just because I like the guy, but I can't really argue with anyone who choses Schuab/Cassel/Cutler/Eli instead as they are all at a similar level.

Its actually one of the easier positions to make a top 10. Starting to think though I should have thrown Eli in there somewhere. Has proven more than the likes of Ryan and Freeman.

I think those guys have huge potential and even now very good QB's, but maybe Eli deserves to be in there.

LuckyGent88

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Peyton Manning
4. Philip Rivers
5. Drew Brees
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Michael Vick
8. Matt Ryan
9. Josh Freeman
10. Jay Cutler

mikemac

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Peyton Manning
4. Drew Brees
5. Michael Vick
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Phillip Rivers
8. Matt Ryan
9. Josh Freeman
10. Matt Schuab

Romo was very, very close to getting in but alas, I'm limited to ten
People's list are a lot more similar to each other then the WR or CB thread but I don't find that surprising

GoldFour4

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Aaron Rogers
4. Matt Ryan
5. Drew Brees
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Sam Bradford
8. Kevin Kolb
9 Jay Cutler
10. Joe Flacco

Yes its unconventional but I think those guys are the best .

Pauleta

1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Rodgers
4. Brees
5. Rivers
6. Big Ben
7. Vick
8. Ryan
9. Cutler
10. Bradford

davetherave

1. P. Manning
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. Big Ben
5. Rodgers
6. Rivers
7. Romo
8. Cutler
9. E. Manning
10. Flacco

Mick Vick should be in there somewhere but I don't know where. I also contemplated putting Favre in but then re-read the rules and saw you wanted it based on recent performance. :pac:

HigginsJ

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Drew Brees
4. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Tom Brady
6. Eli Manning
7. Jay Cutler
8. Michael Vick
9. Josh Freeman
10. Matt Stafford

FreeOSCAR

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Peyton Manning
4. Ben Roethilsberger
5. Drew Brees
7. Mike Vick
8. Philip Rivers
8. Matt Ryan
9. Josh Freeman
10. Mark Sanchez

davyjose

P. Manning
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Rivers
Roethlisberger
E. Manning
Bradford
Stafford
Schaub

tallaghtoutlaws

For me im similar to Frostie

1. Manning, Brady, Brees
2. Rodgers (There will be 4 at 1 next season me thinks)
3. Big Ben, Rivers, Eli
4. Everyone else.

For me you can't clearly put any of them at 1 on their own. Too many reasons for and against.

Mr. Guappa

TaosHum wrote: »

Its actually one of the easier positions to make a top 10. Starting to think though I should have thrown Eli in there somewhere. Has proven more than the likes of Ryan and Freeman.

I think those guys have huge potential and even now very good QB's, but maybe Eli deserves to be in there.

Yeah, Eli is a strange one. He probably gets harshly judged because of who his brother is. He has led his team to a Superbowl from the 6th seed which is a great achievement. On the other hand, he had a huge number of INT's last season, and everytime I watched the Giants he was so inconsistent. In the end I ranked based on who I would want at QB for a 2-minute drill, and who I would want as QB of my team, and I had 10 others ahead of Eli.

Hulk Hands

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Aaron Rogers
5. Drew Brees
6. Matt Ryan
7. Ben Rothlisberger
8. Michael Vick
9. Sam Bradford
10. Matt Schuab

11. Andrew Luck

Chucky the tree

Tougher then I thought towards the bottom, some good QB's not on the list.

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Peyton Manning
4. Drew Bress
5. Ben Rothlesberger
6. Philip Rivers
7. Matt Ryan
8. Mike Vick
9. Matt Schuab
10. Josh Freeman

The Munky

1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Manning
4. Rivers
5. Brees
6. Romo
7. Ryan
8. Freeman
9. Big Ben, purely cos I can't spell Roethlisberger
10. Orton

Lionbacker

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Phillip Rivers
6. Michael Vick
7. Ben Roethlisberger
8. Matt Shuab
9. Matt Ryan
10. Matthew Stafford

cathalio11

I would most definitely put Matt Cassel in the Top 10

landsleaving

1) Tom Brady
2) Peyton Manning
3) Aaron Rodgers
4) Ben Roethlisberger
5) Philip Rivers
6) Drew Brees
7) Josh Freeman
8) Sam Bradford
9) Mike Vick
10) Matt Ryan

Torlac

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Peyton Manning
4. Mike Vick
5. Mark Sanchez
6. Ben Roethilsberger
7. Philip Rivers
8. Matt Ryan
9. Josh Freeman
10. Drew Brees

f1dan

Torlac wrote: »

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Peyton Manning
4. Mike Vick
5. Mark Sanchez
6. Ben Roethilsberger
7. Philip Rivers
8. Matt Ryan
9. Josh Freeman
10. Drew Brees

Wait, Drew Brees at 10???

Mark Sanchez at 5???

Here's my top 10:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Michael Vick
8. Tony Romo
9. Matt Ryan
10. Joe Flacco

me-skywalker

1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. P.Manning
4. Brees
5. Roethlisberger
6. Rivers
7. Vick
8. Flacco
9. E.Manning
10. Sanchez

I like Flacco think he has alot of improvement in him!

Peyton Manning

I'll get back to the rest of the positions after the Draft game has finished, don't want too many of these things going on at once! We'll be glad to have some positions left to entertain us on the far side of the draft!

Leslie91

1. P Manning
2. Brady
3. Rivers tied
3. Rodgers tied
5. Brees
6. Ryan
7. Big Ben
8. Bradford
9. Freeman
10. McNabb

Really struggled on no. 10. On his day McNabb is a better QB than Vick, Romo, Cutler, Eli etc. For me Stafford is unproven.

UnitedIrishman

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Rogers
4. Vick
5. Roethlisberger (sp)
6. Rivers
7. Brees
8. Ryan
9. Bradford
10. Cutler

Found it easy enough until coming towards the end. I probably haven't seen enough of them all - i.e. 10+ full games - to comment on the likes of Freeman and Stafford.

WakeyTyke

Here is an interesting analysis from Vic Ketchman, 39-year veteran reporter on the NFL who recently became editor of the packer.com website.


15. David Garrard—I’ve always liked him and if he could eliminate his bad days and his bad throws, he’d be much higher on this list. Garrard has had pedestrian receivers and bad pass-protection, yet, he has managed to put up decent numbers.
14. Matt Cassel—He’s got game; more game than for which I gave him credit when Kansas City traded for him. Can he make all of the throws? That’s the question I have about him.
13. Josh Freeman—Big, strong-armed, young quarterback on the rise. He came out of nowhere last season to jump into the top six of the passer rankings. I wanna wait on him a little more before I move him up the rankings, but I also believe that’s exactly what’s going to happen.
12. Mark Sanchez—You don’t measure this guy by passer ratings. Sanchez has winner written all over him. He has an undeniable resilience and I’ll tell you what I like best about him: He’s already 4-2 in the postseason in just his first two pro seasons and he’s already taken down Philip Rivers, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in the postseason. That’s what I respect in a quarterback. When he learns how to play the position, look out.
11. Eli Manning—He’s got a Super Bowl title under his belt and he beat Brady on sports’ biggest stage and that’s deserving of respect, but it’s time to expect more out of him more often. Has he leveled? I’m starting to wonder.
10. Joe Flacco—At times, he has appeared to be on the verge of becoming one of the game’s big-time passers, but then he does things such as getting sacked and stripped by Troy Polamalu, and not getting it done in the playoffs in Pittsburgh last season after having a big lead handed to him, and that kind of leaves me cold. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt but I don’t get the sense that his teammates believe in him.
9. Matt Schaub—As good a pure passer as there is in the game. When he gets hot, he makes it look easy. He’s had his breakout years, now he needs some playoff years. That’s the next level for him.
8. Michael Vick—He was better than ever last season and he became much more than a runner that throws; he became, for the first time in his career, a passer that runs. Was it a fluke or will he continue his recovery and rise?
7. Matt Ryan—I love this guy but I have no choice but to drop him in my rankings after a poor performance against the Packers in the playoffs and an 0-2 playoff start to his career. The Falcons went all-out to get him another weapon, and the expectation should be for Julio Jones to take Ryan to a higher level.
6. Drew Brees—I saw signs last year that opposing defenses are challenging Brees’ lack of arm strength. They made him make throws he really can’t make. Be that as it may, he offset his 22 interceptions (ouch!) with 33 touchdown passes and he remains the difference-maker for the Saints franchise.
5. Philip Rivers—Hate his throwing motion but love his production and moxie. Rivers had a sensational season, finishing No. 2 in passer rating and leading the league in yards passing. He’s a great statistical passer; now he needs to start winning big games.
4. Ben Roethlisberger—He rallied from offseason problems that threatened his career and his status in the locker room. “Big Ben” takes a licking and keeps on ticking, as he did at the end of last season when a broken foot forced him to wear an oversized shoe with a metal plate in it. He wore it in big games down the stretch and through the postseason. He limped through and played poorly in the first half of the Super Bowl, but he was poised to make one of his late-game charges when Rashard Mendenhall fumbled.
3. Peyton Manning—His numbers fell in 2010 and he came within a rating point of falling out of the top 10 passers in the league, but he’s still the most feared quarterback in the game. Be that as it may, he’s going to start facing some scrutiny. Are his best years behind him? Is this all there is?
2. Tom Brady—When Brady lit up the Steelers on Sunday Night Football, he not only proved he was all the way back, he gave cause to believe he was better than ever. So which is it, the lights-out performance against the Steelers or the stinker he played against the Jets in the postseason? I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, for now, but Brady is going to start facing questions, too.
1. Aaron Rodgers—Call me a homer, but there’s no doubt in my mind that Rodgers is the best quarterback in the game. Not only does he have the title to prove it, he was also the league’s third-ranked passer last season and, in the postseason, he left them all in the dust, including Vick, Ryan and Roethlisberger. Rodgers is the perfect blend of youth, talent and maturity. He’s going to be “The Man” in this league for a long, long time.

tallaghtoutlaws

WakeyTyke wrote: »

Here is an interesting analysis from Vic Ketchman, 39-year veteran reporter on the NFL who recently became editor of the packer.com website.


15. David Garrard—I’ve always liked him and if he could eliminate his bad days and his bad throws, he’d be much higher on this list. Garrard has had pedestrian receivers and bad pass-protection, yet, he has managed to put up decent numbers.
14. Matt Cassel—He’s got game; more game than for which I gave him credit when Kansas City traded for him. Can he make all of the throws? That’s the question I have about him.
13. Josh Freeman—Big, strong-armed, young quarterback on the rise. He came out of nowhere last season to jump into the top six of the passer rankings. I wanna wait on him a little more before I move him up the rankings, but I also believe that’s exactly what’s going to happen.
12. Mark Sanchez—You don’t measure this guy by passer ratings. Sanchez has winner written all over him. He has an undeniable resilience and I’ll tell you what I like best about him: He’s already 4-2 in the postseason in just his first two pro seasons and he’s already taken down Philip Rivers, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in the postseason. That’s what I respect in a quarterback. When he learns how to play the position, look out.
11. Eli Manning—He’s got a Super Bowl title under his belt and he beat Brady on sports’ biggest stage and that’s deserving of respect, but it’s time to expect more out of him more often. Has he leveled? I’m starting to wonder.
10. Joe Flacco—At times, he has appeared to be on the verge of becoming one of the game’s big-time passers, but then he does things such as getting sacked and stripped by Troy Polamalu, and not getting it done in the playoffs in Pittsburgh last season after having a big lead handed to him, and that kind of leaves me cold. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt but I don’t get the sense that his teammates believe in him.
9. Matt Schaub—As good a pure passer as there is in the game. When he gets hot, he makes it look easy. He’s had his breakout years, now he needs some playoff years. That’s the next level for him.
8. Michael Vick—He was better than ever last season and he became much more than a runner that throws; he became, for the first time in his career, a passer that runs. Was it a fluke or will he continue his recovery and rise?
7. Matt Ryan—I love this guy but I have no choice but to drop him in my rankings after a poor performance against the Packers in the playoffs and an 0-2 playoff start to his career. The Falcons went all-out to get him another weapon, and the expectation should be for Julio Jones to take Ryan to a higher level.
6. Drew Brees—I saw signs last year that opposing defenses are challenging Brees’ lack of arm strength. They made him make throws he really can’t make. Be that as it may, he offset his 22 interceptions (ouch!) with 33 touchdown passes and he remains the difference-maker for the Saints franchise.
5. Philip Rivers—Hate his throwing motion but love his production and moxie. Rivers had a sensational season, finishing No. 2 in passer rating and leading the league in yards passing. He’s a great statistical passer; now he needs to start winning big games.
4. Ben Roethlisberger—He rallied from offseason problems that threatened his career and his status in the locker room. “Big Ben” takes a licking and keeps on ticking, as he did at the end of last season when a broken foot forced him to wear an oversized shoe with a metal plate in it. He wore it in big games down the stretch and through the postseason. He limped through and played poorly in the first half of the Super Bowl, but he was poised to make one of his late-game charges when Rashard Mendenhall fumbled.
3. Peyton Manning—His numbers fell in 2010 and he came within a rating point of falling out of the top 10 passers in the league, but he’s still the most feared quarterback in the game. Be that as it may, he’s going to start facing some scrutiny. Are his best years behind him? Is this all there is?
2. Tom Brady—When Brady lit up the Steelers on Sunday Night Football, he not only proved he was all the way back, he gave cause to believe he was better than ever. So which is it, the lights-out performance against the Steelers or the stinker he played against the Jets in the postseason? I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, for now, but Brady is going to start facing questions, too.
1. Aaron Rodgers—Call me a homer, but there’s no doubt in my mind that Rodgers is the best quarterback in the game. Not only does he have the title to prove it, he was also the league’s third-ranked passer last season and, in the postseason, he left them all in the dust, including Vick, Ryan and Roethlisberger. Rodgers is the perfect blend of youth, talent and maturity. He’s going to be “The Man” in this league for a long, long time.

Vic Ketchman would say anything to get on the good side of Packers fans. When he was the Jags editor he wrote some abysmal articles which were as deluded as idiot Jags fans. You know those fans every club has that everyone hates right? Guys who get facts wrong or see too far into things and generally make fools of themselves around other fans. Just google his name and you will see what I mean. Seems like he is trying too hard to get in with the fans.

Putting Rodgers at 1 clearly shows his Bias right now and he is truly just trying to lick the holes of Packers fans. Don't get me wrong Rodgers doesn't have far to go until he is considered the same or better than Brady and Manning but he isn't there just yet.

Look what he say about Sanchez and then look what he says about Vick. By his own reasoning surely Sanchez should be up where Vick is?

And Drew Brees behind big Ben and Rivers? :eek: I know this guy has been reporting in the NFL for years but come on Rivers is awesome and Big Ben is solid but they are no Drew Brees.

I have a fair few of his articles in my time and I hope he doesn't carry the same nonsense with him from his Jags days. He used to be a really solid writer but in recent years he went to just being meh

Love to see what you Jags fans on here think of him.

TaosHum

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Vic Ketchman would say anything to get on the good side of Packers fans. When he was the Jags editor he wrote some abysmal articles which were as deluded as idiot Jags fans. You know those fans every club has that everyone hates right? Guys who get facts wrong or see too far into things and generally make fools of themselves around other fans. Just google his name and you will see what I mean. Seems like he is trying too hard to get in with the fans.

Putting Rodgers at 1 clearly shows his Bias right now and he is truly just trying to lick the holes of Packers fans. Don't get me wrong Rodgers doesn't have far to go until he is considered the same or better than Brady and Manning but he isn't there just yet.

Look what he say about Sanchez and then look what he says about Vick. By his own reasoning surely Sanchez should be up where Vick is?

And Drew Brees behind big Ben and Rivers? :eek: I know this guy has been reporting in the NFL for years but come on Rivers is awesome and Big Ben is solid but they are no Drew Brees.

I have a fair few of his articles in my time and I hope he doesn't carry the same nonsense with him from his Jags days. He used to be a really solid writer but in recent years he went to just being meh

Love to see what you Jags fans on here think of him.

You know its interesting how people rate QB's. I mean when you take into consideration the talent around them, the system they play in, their stats, the coaching staff, their ability in the clutch, improvisation, leadership, intangibles, etc, etc it begins to become very difficult to numerically rate QB's outside of the top 2 (Manning and Brady).

Guys like Rivers, Big Ben, Rodgers and Brees you could make strong arguments for all 4 for putting them at number 3. Sometimes its easier just to group them into certain categories IMO.

eagle eye

TaosHum wrote: »

You know its interesting how people rate QB's. I mean when you take into consideration the talent around them, the system they play in, their stats, the coaching staff, their ability in the clutch, improvisation, leadership, intangibles, etc, etc it begins to become very difficult to numerically rate QB's outside of the top 2 (Manning and Brady).

Guys like Rivers, Big Ben, Rodgers and Brees you could make strong arguments for all 4 for putting them at number 3. Sometimes its easier just to group them into certain categories IMO.

Yeah I think its fair to group them but I think Brees belongs in a top 3 and Rodgers is very close to making that a group of 4. Another year of the consistency he has shown will put him there imo.

Big Ben is clutch but doesn't have the consistency to be up there. Rivers has the consistency but he has to prove he is clutch.

For me there is Brady, Brees and Manning(alphebetical order there) and then clearly at no.4 is Rodgers.

TaosHum

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah I think its fair to group them but I think Brees belongs in a top 3 and Rodgers is very close to making that a group of 4. Another year of the consistency he has shown will put him there imo.

Big Ben is clutch but doesn't have the consistency to be up there. Rivers has the consistency but he has to prove he is clutch.

For me there is Brady, Brees and Manning(alphebetical order there) and then clearly at no.4 is Rodgers.

My main gripe with Brees and placing him with the likes of Manning and Brady is that after 11 seasons (10 as starter), I just dont see a HOF QB there. Now things could change if he ends with another 1-2 Superbowls and plays at the level he is currently at for another 4-5 seasons, but for the moment I dont see it.

With Rodgers you have a guy thats only been a starter for 3 years, having to come in and replace a future HOF'mer in Brett Favre, yet he has not missed a beat. His level of performances have been extremely high, on a par with the level Drew Brees has been playing at over the same period and this is a guy that has only been a starter for 3 years.

I'm not taking anything away from Drew Brees, he is certainly a top 5 QB in this league, but give me the option of either Rodgers or Brees (and both potentially could have been at Miami), then I'd take Aaron Rodgers.

careca11

even as a Bears fan I have to Agree with Aaron Rodger's , his is the best around , and will defo get some rings

"ok I'm going to wash my mouth out now "

eagle eye

TaosHum wrote: »

My main gripe with Brees and placing him with the likes of Manning and Brady is that after 11 seasons (10 as starter), I just dont see a HOF QB there. Now things could change if he ends with another 1-2 Superbowls and plays at the level he is currently at for another 4-5 seasons, but for the moment I dont see it.

With Rodgers you have a guy thats only been a starter for 3 years, having to come in and replace a future HOF'mer in Brett Favre, yet he has not missed a beat. His level of performances have been extremely high, on a par with the level Drew Brees has been playing at over the same period and this is a guy that has only been a starter for 3 years.

I'm not taking anything away from Drew Brees, he is certainly a top 5 QB in this league, but give me the option of either Rodgers or Brees (and both potentially could have been at Miami), then I'd take Aaron Rodgers.

I can't agree with you on Brees. I mean he was good with the Chargers but for the last five seasons his lowest yardage total is the 4388 in the season he won the Superbowl and he had a 5000 yard season the year before. He just keeps doing it year after year and when you win a Superbowl, become only the 2nd player in history to beat the 5k yards mark and is one of the leaders all time in QB rating(possibly top 3 all time rating for his time with the Saints) then I think we are talking certain HOFamer.

The only reason that Rodgers isn't up there for me yet is longevity. Three years just simply isn't enough to put somebody in that top group for me. Rodgers just has to do it for another season and then he joins that top group for me. I will say that I think Rodgers is going to in the conversation for GOAT if he keeps doing what he has done to date for another 6 or 7 years.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

I can't agree with you on Brees. I mean he was good with the Chargers but for the last five seasons his lowest yardage total is the 4388 in the season he won the Superbowl and he had a 5000 yard season the year before. He just keeps doing it year after year and when you win a Superbowl, become only the 2nd player in history to beat the 5k yards mark and is one of the leaders all time in QB rating(possibly top 3 all time rating for his time with the Saints) then I think we are talking certain HOFamer.

Have to agree. People don't realise how consistent Brees has been over his career. With the Chargers he started badly but I wouldn't hold that against him. In fact leaving the Chargers was the renewed vigor he needed to kick start his career. How many QBs have gone from mediocre/good to Extremely consistent and excellent in their careers. Many QBs who dont start very well in the Pros generally dont last or go the distance and wind up being bounced around as backups.

The only reason that Rodgers isn't up there for me yet is longevity. Three years just simply isn't enough to put somebody in that top group for me. Rodgers just has to do it for another season and then he joins that top group for me. I will say that I think Rodgers is going to in the conversation for GOAT if he keeps doing what he has done to date for another 6 or 7 years.

Exactly this, 3 years in my eyes is far too short to put him in the top group. We all know Rodgers is going to be a HOF. He will continue to to do amazing things and get another ring or two. Take Manning and Brady took them a few years to be considered Elite even though Brady won a Bowl in his first season.

For me I agree with the lads when I say its about groupings of QBs. I have always said it. In the Brady v Manning arguments I always said they are on the same level. Never liked this individual nonsense. Right now the Elite has 3 candidates Manning, Brady and Brees but Rodgers is biting on their heels.

kev_s88

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Love to see what you Jags fans on here think of him.

good riddance to him! so much of his stuff on Jaguars.com was just such biased drivel that i stopped reading his articles. they were just too annoying to even bother with anymore. i dont go to their site to have someone make out that the Jaguars are gonna challenge to be a top team every season, because i'm a realist. sadly the only realistic thing about Vic Ketchman was indeed is love of pleasing the fans

f1dan

To add further fuel to the debate, this is Cris Collinsworth's top twelve:

I answered a question about the top 3 quarterbacks in the league on Twitter. Well, all heck broke loose after that. What about this guy, what about that guy, how could you leave him out? So I had to try it. A top 10 list at the quarterback position just to see how crazy I could really make people. Here goes. I am going to push send and duck.

1) Tom Brady: Reigning MVP and 3 time Super Bowl Champ.
2) Peyton Manning: Easily could have been number one. Great year without receivers and struggling OL.
3) Aaron Rodgers: Super Bowl win and huge performance in Atlanta to start the playoffs. Charismatic leader.
4) Ben Roethlisberger: 2 rings and a smaller one that looks like my two. Impossible to intimidate. Very young and hopefully still maturing.
5) Drew Brees: The closest thing to Manning as a field general. Bigger arm than people think.
6) Phillip Rivers: Statistically superior quarterback who is a ring away from jumping to the top 5.
7) Mike Vick: Still athletic, but is learning to win with his arm and his mind. Impressive year.
8) Tony Romo: Athletic and perhaps the quickest release in the game. Playoff success lacking.
9) Josh Freeman: Too young to make all the clutch plays he made last year. Future top 5 lock.
10) Matt Ryan: Can't deny his ability to win close games. Julio Jones could jump him multiple spots.
11) Eli Manning: Offensive line and running game faltering. Too much on his shoulders, and it showed.
12) Sam Bradford: Future Superstar. No denying what he will be when he gets more weapons.

Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco, Matt Cassel, and Matthew Stafford were all a part of my toss-up at number 12.

Link: http://footballpros.com/content.php/951-Top-12-Quarterbacks-Twitter-War-Started-This?

WakeyTyke

I feel have to come to the defence of Vic Ketchman. I been following his regular "Ask Vic" page since he became editor of packers.com and i have found it extremely informative on all aspects of the game and NFL. Whilst obviously he is not going to alienate Packer fans he is far from sycophantic.

This can be seen in his recent rating of the 'Best 10 QB's of all-time' and his omission of Brett Favre, much to chagrin of many Packer fans.

Some of you may be surprised to see that he rates Tom Brady as the 4th best QB of all-time and no - Aaron Rodgers does not make the top-ten either.;)
Very interesting reading.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article_ketchman/article-1/You-asked-for-it-so-now-here-it-is/064b9550-85c6-45ad-9784-47f096c7ab53

tallaghtoutlaws

WakeyTyke wrote: »

I feel have to come to the defence of Vic Ketchman. I been following his regular "Ask Vic" page since he became editor of packers.com and i have found it extremely informative on all aspects of the game and NFL. Whilst obviously he is not going to alienate Packer fans he is far from sycophantic.

This can be seen in his recent rating of the 'Best 10 QB's of all-time' and his omission of Brett Favre, much to chagrin of many Packer fans.

Some of you may be surprised to see that he rates Tom Brady as the 4th best QB of all-time and no - Aaron Rodgers does not make the top-ten either.;)
Very interesting reading.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article_ketchman/article-1/You-asked-for-it-so-now-here-it-is/064b9550-85c6-45ad-9784-47f096c7ab53

I don't think I will ever like any of his articles again. When he worked for the Jags he was purely an a$$ kisser. His articles went from good to absolute sh1te when he wrote for the Jags.

Even his article about Brady is nonsense in that link you provided just now. Its true the knee injury has affected Brady but to imply its the cause of a 3 game losing streak in the playoffs and he on the decline is pure madness. Our loss against the Jets, Ravens and Giants had nothing to do with Brady playing bad.

Giants: Their D dominated our offense and Brady had Giants players in his face all day

Ravens: Their Offense beat us by half time. It was a tall order for any QB to bring that game back down to a competition and Brady nearly did in the 2nd half.

Jets: Again nothing to do with Brady. Pressured all day and our Defense struggled.

See this is the problem with Vic, he writes things nowadays to appease fans and he writes now without facts. Even reading through the other QB pieces there is a few debatable stuff in them also. As he gets older I just can't see him reverting back to his old style of writing back when he wrote solid pieces.

eagle eye

WakeyTyke wrote: »

I feel have to come to the defence of Vic Ketchman. I been following his regular "Ask Vic" page since he became editor of packers.com and i have found it extremely informative on all aspects of the game and NFL. Whilst obviously he is not going to alienate Packer fans he is far from sycophantic.

This can be seen in his recent rating of the 'Best 10 QB's of all-time' and his omission of Brett Favre, much to chagrin of many Packer fans.

Some of you may be surprised to see that he rates Tom Brady as the 4th best QB of all-time and no - Aaron Rodgers does not make the top-ten either.;)
Very interesting reading.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article_ketchman/article-1/You-asked-for-it-so-now-here-it-is/064b9550-85c6-45ad-9784-47f096c7ab53

Why the hell would he have Aaron Rodgers in an all time list? He is only in the league for 3 years.

So while there I seen he did another list, current QBs, and his homerism is rife.
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article_ketchman/article-1/Ranking-the-QBs-Whos-No-1/5d60fbd4-7a62-423c-8834-773bbd4a9586

WakeyTyke

eagle eye wrote: »

Why the hell would he have Aaron Rodgers in an all time list? He is only in the league for 3 years.

So while there I seen he did another list, current QBs, and his homerism is rife.
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article_ketchman/article-1/Ranking-the-QBs-Whos-No-1/5d60fbd4-7a62-423c-8834-773bbd4a9586

Did you not see the ?

If you look back a few post you will see that the article is already printed in full for discussion

Max Power1

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning

3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Matt Ryan
6. Drew Brees

7. Michael Vick
8. Phillip Rivers
9. Mark Sanchez
10. Josh Freeman


Ranked in order of preference, grouped into ability from "elite" - "one step below elite" - "better than most".

Pred192

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Phillip Rivers.
5. Aaron Rodgers.
6. Mark Sanchez
7. Big Ben
8. Mat Ryan
9. Michael Vick
10.Tony Romo

If I had to pick a young QB I would easily go for Mark Sanchez. He has proved to be very clutch. Watch the final drive against the Texans and you will see. He is great at avoiding sacks and his INT's have gone down a huge amount. I think he has the potential to be an amazing QB. Next year is the make or break year though. He doesn't have huge numbers but people seem to forget that the Jets are a run first team and that they don't throw the ball as much as other teams do.

eagle eye

Pred192 wrote: »

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Phillip Rivers.
5. Aaron Rodgers.
6. Mark Sanchez
7. Big Ben
8. Mat Ryan
9. Michael Vick
10.Tony Romo

If I had to pick a young QB I would easily go for Mark Sanchez. He has proved to be very clutch. Watch the final drive against the Texans and you will see. He is great at avoiding sacks and his INT's have gone down a huge amount. I think he has the potential to be an amazing QB. Next year is the make or break year though. He doesn't have huge numbers but people seem to forget that the Jets are a run first team and that they don't throw the ball as much as other teams do.

I hope you are a Jets fan, if you are not, well lets not go there.:pac:

tallaghtoutlaws

Pred192 wrote: »

Jets are a run first team and that they don't throw the ball as much as other teams do.

The Jets are not a Run first team. Don't know why Jets fans seem to believe that so much. There two RB combined had give or take 400 attempts in the regular season. Sanchez had just over 500 attempts in the Regular season and had the 9th highest attempts in the NFL. Interestingly enough LT was 21st for att on the ground and Greene was 32.

See this bugs me about Jets fans making excuses for Sanchez's low numbers. He has a couple of wins in the Playoffs and all of a sudden he is clutch and the best around. Dude still has a long way to go and a lot to prove before we can call him great or sh1t. He is getting the job done right now but thats it and its the supporting cast lending a hand to him also.

Pred192

The Jets are ranked 4th in rushing yards how does that not indicate that they are not a run first team? Last season they were ranked 1st. and Thomas Jones was 30 ATT's off of Sanchez ATT's. Sanchez doesn't pass long if you look most plays are short throws. Also he has shown that he is great at clutch situations. It's only his second year and his stats are on par with both Manning and Brady's second year stats. And again like I said next year is the make or break year. Was just saying if I had to pick a young QB. Obviously I would pick Manning over anyone because he is the best at the position. The offence coordinator is terrible for the Jets and needs to go.

TaosHum

As much as it pains me to see it, Sanchez seems to be developing into a good QB. For a guy that won the starting job at what 22/23 in his rookie season, he has done well. He certainly be no means the finished article, as his accuracy can be very erratic at times and he tends to struggle against top tier defense (although he has not done too bad against the Steelers to be fair).

The situation he was put into in New York was very good though. I mean that team has a top 5 O-Line, a HOF RB, excellent TE in Keller and a very good receiving core in Holmes, Cotch and Edwards. Factor in argubly a Top 3 defense, then you really could not ask for a better situation for a young QB to be brought into.

If he continues to improve, then I can see him becoming a very good QB for the Jets.

Pred192

Yeah he still has a long way to go but for a rookie I think he has done well. Also he was injured in the play offs which resulted in bad throws and has gone into surgery over the summer. The receivers are great but who knows which ones will be back.

tallaghtoutlaws

Pred192 wrote: »

The Jets are ranked 4th in rushing yards how does that not indicate that they are not a run first team? Last season they were ranked 1st. and Thomas Jones was 30 ATT's off of Sanchez ATT's.

Thomas Jones? What has he got to do with the price of bread? He plays in Kansas. Also the Majority of the NFL are balanced or pass first these days. Don't forget the league has become a passing league and being first on the Stats for rushing yards and rushing doesnt make you run first. It just means your offense did better running than the rest really.

A run first team are a team that go to run plays first and then back it up with passes. Had the 2 backs combined had id say another 40 or 50 attempts each we could say run first but the the Jets are a 50/50 team and the attempts passing/rushing show that. The fact Sanchez has more attempts than his backs proves that. Dude even has 30 attempts on the ground himself the majority of which are because he couldn't find an open man and would indicate a pass play was called first. Id say of the 30, 10 were designed QB runs.

To add many a commentator said this season had the Jets ran the ball more last season they might have won more games and even squeaked in to the bowl and I tend to agree. They have by far one of the best run blocking O-lines in the league and they failed to uitlise it to its maximum ability.

Sanchez doesn't pass long if you look most plays are short throws.

Not sure of the relevence here to what I said to be honest.

Also he has shown that he is great at clutch situations. It's only his second year and his stats are on par with both Manning and Brady's second year stats.

Hence why I said he has a lot to prove and a long way to go.

And again like I said next year is the make or break year. Was just saying if I had to pick a young QB.

There are better young QBs to be honest and Sanchez can find himself lucky he wound up at the Jets last season when Ryan built such a solid team.