Job or Dole?

Chris P. Bacon

Interesting site it will calculate if its worth your while working anymore,or if you will get more on the dole.

http://jobordole.com/

squod

Oh FFS..........

biko

"Stay moderating"

Chris P. Bacon

shebzy wrote: »

no wonder why this country's the way it is with a site like that????????

I think that would be down to the government not the website.

shebzy

the website dont help though does it?

Xivilai

shebzy wrote: »

the website dont help though does it?

Give Joe a call

Mr. Incognito

Anyone who has any experience of the dole, the awkward moment when someone asks what do you do, the black despairing days and the build up of bills while your friends go out while you miss social occasions, birthdays, stag nights and the constant stream of rejections letters doesn't need a website ( who incidently use the wrong calculations) to know the anwer to that question.

Take the ignorance elsewhere

Edit: This smells like a cheap publicity stunt to sell his tax calc download which if powered by the same flawed mathamatical abilities is probably useless.

Pj!

shebzy wrote: »

no wonder why this country's the way it is with a site like that????????

Yeah its all his fault.

Agricola

I like it. Another valuable website to give the ordinary punter some sound impartial advice!

William Powell

I'm just surprised there's no advertising on the site.

Good idea there's a calculator for everything else.

TeddyTedson

Job please Bob!

crowdcontrol

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Anyone who has any experience of the dole, the awkward moment when someone asks what do you do, the black despairing days and the build up of bills while your friends go out while you miss social occasions, birthdays, stag nights and the constant stream of rejections letters doesn't need a website ( who incidently use the wrong calculations) to know the anwer to that question.

Take the ignorance elsewhere

Edit: This smells like a cheap publicity stunt to sell his tax calc download which if powered by the same flawed mathamatical abilities is probably useless.

Well said

mickydoomsux

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Anyone who has any experience of the dole, the awkward moment when someone asks what do you do, the black despairing days and the build up of bills while your friends go out while you miss social occasions, birthdays, stag nights and the constant stream of rejections letters doesn't need a website

Oh, boo-hoo.

Be glad you're getting any money at all.

ancapailldorcha

I can't see why anyone would choose the dole over a job just for a few more quid. I used to have a part time job, until I got offered a full time job a few weeks ago. It wasn't really worth keeping with the cost of getting to and from it but it got me out of the house and broke up my week.

Vain

Why have one when you can do both like me, im loaded now:pac:

Mr. Incognito

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Oh, boo-hoo.

Be glad you're getting any money at all.

Be kind enough to direct yourself to my sig.

That is all.

Chris P. Bacon

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Anyone who has any experience of the dole, the awkward moment when someone asks what do you do, the black despairing days and the build up of bills while your friends go out while you miss social occasions, birthdays, stag nights and the constant stream of rejections letters doesn't need a website ( who incidently use the wrong calculations) to know the anwer to that question.

Take the ignorance elsewhere

Edit: This smells like a cheap publicity stunt to sell his tax calc download which if powered by the same flawed mathamatical abilities is probably useless.

Do you think im the owner of that site or something?

feelpablo

Daddy or chips????

DarkJager

Hmmm a job, or having to deal with the highly ignorant and condescending cretins parading as the social welfare? I know which I'd rather have.

Overheal

feelpablo wrote: »

Daddy or chips????

beat me to it :P

gsxr1

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Oh, boo-hoo.

Be glad you're getting any money at all.

He at least has the right attitude and feels quite uncomfortable on the dole.

The way people should be.

But have no choice as there is no work for them

Being on the dole sucks major big balls.

Mr. Incognito

Richie Cranium wrote: »

Do you think im the owner of that site or something?

Not at all, merely that the site owner is relying on bigots to take his site and perpetuate it in internet land for free advertising.

You might want to consider that while you pull the hook out of your mouth.

ancapailldorcha

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Not at all, merely that the site owner is relying on bigots to take his site and perpetuate it in internet land for free advertising.

You might want to consider that while you pull the hook out of your mouth.

Nice.

Few times better working
no surprise there

Chris P. Bacon

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Not at all, merely that the site owner is relying on bigots to take his site and perpetuate it in internet land for free advertising.

You might want to consider that while you pull the hook out of your mouth.

Hey hold on a minute,i have no hook in my mouth,i just stumbled upon the site and i thought it would be an interesting topic in AH.

No need to get up on your high horse about it.

Solitaire

That website doesn't even take into account additional work costs let alone commuting costs!

+1 to what Mr Incognito says though. So many non-material reasons to stay in work regardless!

Mr. Incognito

Richie Cranium wrote: »

Hey hold on a minute,i have no hook in my mouth,i just stumbled upon the site and i thought it would be an interesting topic in AH.

No need to get up on your high horse about it.

Ah yes. AH - the last great bastion of objective debate, current opinion and informed discussion. Well, that's not what "yore ma" said

fabbydabby

jobordole needs more questions. a mate of mine is better off on the dole because he lives in the boonies and doesnt have to spend €70 quid a week commuting to work but the algorithm doesntallow for that

Also fuel allowance is not accounted for, and medical bills being paid out of your own pocket if you work.

job or dole should stick to the day job (or dole)

Cavehill Red

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Oh, boo-hoo.

Be glad you're getting any money at all.

Give over. If he ever had a job, he's paid tax and it's his money he's getting back now he needs it.
I'd rather see it go to him than a load of lying Nigerians spoofing about asylum, frankly.

I heard an interesting parable the other day which for me explains this spate of worker versus unemployed tension:

An investment banker, a Daily Mail reader and an unemployed man are having some tea and biscuits together. They open up the packet and there are 12 biscuits to be shared. The bankers grabs eleven of them and says to the Daily Mail reader: "You better watch out - that doley scum's going to nick your biscuit!"

TLDR - Keep your eye on who's really to blame. It ain't each other.

fabbydabby

Oh and also... if I can get 200 quid a week working some sh!t job for a balding spastic or 190 quid a week sitting on my hole, eating lion bars and playing xbox which do you think I am going to do.

FLAWED!

filmbuffboy

the calculator on that site is majorly flawed. it automatically assumes everyone is entitled to rent allowance which couldnt be further from the truth.

even if the calc was accurate id call into question the legality of having a site devoted to encouraging people to leave their jobs en masse and go on the dole!

given the current climate id say the days of living on welfare as a career are over anyways.

galwayrush

I feel very underpaid and very abused by the revenue people working, how i wish i could swap it for the dole.

JustAddWater

"STAY WORKING"

Yes!!! ...

fabbydabby

I was told to stay working as well but the calculator doesnt have a question where it asks you if you wake up every morning to the worst day of your life.

jackiebaron

Question should be "Dole or Dáil"

Rented Mule

Stay Working - You could get €372.40 per week on the dole with €91.38 in rent allowance for a total of €463.78

I'll put the effort in and get out of bed in the morning.

AckwelFoley

it underestimates the amount of tax i pay.

I believe this site.

im going to meet the guy in payroll tomorrow and kick him in the goolies for rippingme off based on information from that website

PrincessLola

You could get €100.00 per week on the dole

awwww yeeeeehh:cool:
100 euro? I'll be a millionaire (in 191.65 years)

Draco

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Anyone who has any experience of the dole, the awkward moment when someone asks what do you do, the black despairing days and the build up of bills while your friends go out while you miss social occasions, birthdays, stag nights and the constant stream of rejections letters doesn't need a website ( who incidently use the wrong calculations) to know the anwer to that question.

I'd be interested to know where you think my calculations are wrong?

The site is not meant to encourage people to actually go on the dole but was an exercise to in fact prove the Indo article wrong, which it unfortunately hasn't.

Draco

filmbuffboy wrote: »

the calculator on that site is majorly flawed. it automatically assumes everyone is entitled to rent allowance which couldnt be further from the truth.

If you look at my list of assumptions, you'll see I mention that if you are renting that I assume you end up getting full rent allowance, not that you definitely and always do get rent allowance.

The fact that I call them 'Hand waving assumptions' might be the clue that that I'm not claiming it's an absolute 100%-correct-in-all-situations-accurate calculator or that it is perfect. What I am saying is that in VERY straightforward cases where there are no tax or welfare complications it you might be better off staying on the dole than talking a job.

Cavehill Red

Draco wrote: »

If you look at my list of assumptions, you'll see I mention that if you are renting that I assume you end up getting full rent allowance, not that you definitely and always do get rent allowance.

The fact that I call them 'Hand waving assumptions' might be the clue that that I'm not claiming it's an absolute 100%-correct-in-all-situations-accurate calculator or that it is perfect. What I am saying is that in VERY straightforward cases where there are no tax or welfare complications it you might be better off staying on the dole than talking a job.

So basically, your definition of a 'handwaving assumption' is an assumption that people generally get way more on benefits than they actually do?
In the real world that's not called an assumption, it's called a deliberate and misleading error.

Draco

Cavehill Red wrote: »

So basically, your definition of a 'handwaving assumption' is an assumption that people generally get way more on benefits than they actually do?
In the real world that's not called an assumption, it's called a deliberate and misleading error.

No, it's not. I've clearly stated in my assumptions that it's based on getting full entitlements. I'm not hiding that fact and I also split the dole and rent allowance in the summary line to make clear they're two different things. I even included the table showing the max allowed rents that you can claim in each county to use as a guide.

I'm not professing that the calculator covers ever single situation possible or even a large subset - I'm presenting a very particular set of circumstances.

Cavehill Red

Draco wrote: »

No, it's not. I've clearly stated in my assumptions that it's based on getting full entitlements. I'm not hiding that fact and I also split the dole and rent allowance in the summary line to make clear they're two different things. I even included the table showing the max allowed rents that you can claim in each county to use as a guide.

I'm not professing that the calculator covers ever single situation possible or even a large subset - I'm presenting a very particular set of circumstances.

Then it's not 'job or dole', is it?
It's 'job or this very particular set of circumstances that I am misleadingly going to call dole.'

JONJO THE MISER

I know a few people who are on the dole and then play 1/2 nl poker to supplement there income.

Draco

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Then it's not 'job or dole', is it?
It's 'job or this very particular set of circumstances that I am misleadingly going to call dole.'

I do like that, but it doesn't roll off the tongue!

I disagree though - the €188 portion is jobseekers allowance which people call the dole. On top of that you can get €124.8 if you've a spouse and €29.80 for each child.

The big part that is skewing the results towards suggesting the dole over a job is how much rent allowance you could (but in reality may not) get.

Maybe I should call it 'Job or the dole plus rent allowance'?

Cavehill Red

Draco wrote: »

I do like that, but it doesn't roll off the tongue!

I disagree though - the €188 portion is jobseekers allowance which people call the dole. On top of that you can get €124.8 if you've a spouse and €29.80 for each child.

The big part that is skewing the results towards suggesting the dole over a job is how much rent allowance you could (but in reality may not) get.

Maybe I should call it 'Job or the dole plus rent allowance'?

I'd just call it a mistake.

Draco

Where's my mistake? I've backed my opinion with documentation. Or are we just going to take it that I'm forever wrong because I had a bit of fun knocking together something and then was foolish enough to come up with a catchy name and share it with the world?

dotsman

To be honest, I don't see it as being misleading. Draco clearly separates Rent Allowance from the "Dole" element" and states the assumption clearly.

What I would like to see added is other potential factors such as medical card, transport/food/other expenses related to working etc.

Dudess

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Oh, boo-hoo.

Be glad you're getting any money at all.

I take it you'd refuse dole if you lost your job?

markesmith

At the start I thought 'FFS', but really it's good that stuff like this comes onto t'Interweb so the Goverment can see it, and hopefully react.

hoyden

http://www.progressive-economy.ie/2011/03/life-of-luxury-on-dole.html