Attack in Hillview

dlofnep

Did anyone hear anything about the attack last night in Hillview? From what I understand, 2 youths were attempting to rob a car - and when the owner came out to confront them, they attacked him and stabbed him a number of times.

Does anyone know if the man is ok? I heard he was a father, around 50 years old. Also, does anyone know if the scumbags were caught? Terrible to say that you can leave your car outside the house these days without some scumbags trying to steal it.

Professey Chin

Hadnt heard anything about 1 last night but I heard about one up there a few nights ago.A man trying to interfere in a girl being chased got stabbed.
Could be the same incident with different stories but I dunno

dlofnep

Maybe it wasn't last night - but I only heard about it then, so I assumed it was last night. The story I heard was that he confronted car-thieves, so it may be a different case to the one you're referring to.

nkay1985

dlofnep wrote: »

Maybe it wasn't last night - but I only heard about it then, so I assumed it was last night. The story I heard was that he confronted car-thieves, so it may be a different case to the one you're referring to.

It happened Friday night down in Chestnut Green. Someone interfering with his car and when he went to check out what was happening he got stabbed five times I think it was. Think he's ok and nobody was caught as far as I know. Very scary to see a massive rise in crime in the area. I can't get my head around not being safe in Hillview where I never thought anything of walking the dog at two in the morning or walking up from Comeragh Park at all hours.

I really hope the man is alright and that the bastards are caught.

dlofnep

Disgusting that, I hope they are caught too. Time to keep an eye on who's hanging around Hillview.

nkay1985

dlofnep wrote: »

Disgusting that, I hope they are caught too. Time to keep an eye on who's hanging around Hillview.

Yeah looks like it. I think neighbourhood watch type schemes might start popping up again. The most i ever remember seeing in Hillview is a few 14 or 15 year old wannabe scumbags like some of the lads that hang around by the chipper. You'd imagine the people who did this would be older and, therefore, stand out more so hopefully somebody has seen something.

Can't get my head around it though. If they wanted to rob a car, why choose Chestnut Green? It's deep into Hillview with only one way out and is in view of the houses opposite and a load of those on Pinewood Avenue too. The house where it happened isn't down in the corner either. Seems like the wort place ever to choose! Which would lead you to think it was just an opportunistic crime and that the person who did the stabbing carries a knife with them. Very scary.

Professey Chin

This was the same incident actually.Just got the full story of my mother(think theres a distant relation )
He got a call from a neighbour about someone at his car.He went out and chased him off (it was 1 or 2 anyway).Down the road a bit 4 lads got out of a car and chased him.While running he fell and they stabbed him on the ground.Punctured lung and spleen but should be ok.

ziedth

Madness, like Nkay only 6/7 years ago I would have thought nothing about walk from a session in Hillview back to Lismore park when I lived there at all hours.

AdMMM

I'd have trouble using my fists in a fight, let alone a knife. Very worrying that people carry knives seemingly for everyday life.

insight_man

dlofnep wrote: »

Did anyone hear anything about the attack last night in Hillview? From what I understand, 2 youths were attempting to rob a car - and when the owner came out to confront them, they attacked him and stabbed him a number of times.

Does anyone know if the man is ok? I heard he was a father, around 50 years old. Also, does anyone know if the scumbags were caught? Terrible to say that you can leave your car outside the house these days without some scumbags trying to steal it.

Hear hes going to be ok. 4 or 5 stab wounds dont know the weapon used. A number of cars were interfered with in the area. Its terrible but you cant risk going out to anyone these days with so many scumbags around.

Didn't hear about police catching anyone for it yet.

Professey Chin

insight_man wrote: »

Hear hes going to be ok. 4 or 5 stab wounds dont know the weapon used. A number of cars were interfered with in the area. Its terrible but you cant risk going out to anyone these days with so many scumbags around.

Didn't hear about police catching anyone for it yet.

If they do itll be the same thing.Multiple convictions, hard life, has child/going back to education/new job, suspended sentence/last chance.
I dunno who deserves to be curb stomped more the scumbags/the judges or the solicitors

dlofnep

insight_man wrote: »

Hear hes going to be ok. 4 or 5 stab wounds dont know the weapon used. A number of cars were interfered with in the area. Its terrible but you cant risk going out to anyone these days with so many scumbags around.

Didn't hear about police catching anyone for it yet.

I tell you one thing - if someone went at my car, I'd be quick to take a hurley to their head. No mistake about it.

flutered

dlofnep wrote: »

I tell you one thing - if someone went at my car, I'd be quick to take a hurley to their head. No mistake about it.

a pick axe handle is lighter and better.

dlofnep

flutered wrote: »

a pick axe handle is lighter and better.

Indeed, unfortunately it's not something I'd have ready to hand.

insight_man

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

If they do itll be the same thing.Multiple convictions, hard life, has child/going back to education/new job, suspended sentence/last chance.
I dunno who deserves to be curb stomped more the scumbags/the judges or the solicitors

Ultimate Chin your spot on. If the scumbags are caught nothing will really happen to them for all the reasons you gave.

Anyone out there agree with me that the so called justice system is a farce. Look at the fella found guilty last week of murdering the young fella and his dad in Kerry with a shotgun after falling out with the victim a few months before.

2 life sentences to run concurrently! What rubbish is that. He might do 10 or 12 years or less with 'good behaviour' and be out. He killed 2 people so he should 20 years for one then start 20 years for the other one.

And this other thing the judges say like 20 others offences were taken into account...I'll tell you what that means, it means the scumbags get off with all those offences scot free. The sentences, the judges and the whole system is crap in Ireland.

The criminal gets looked after better than the victims. Lock these criminals up for long sentences, one to follow the other because thats what they deserve.

My sympathy is for the VICTIMS not the Criminals. They deserve anything they get. Anyone with me on this.

insight_man

flutered wrote: »

a pick axe handle is lighter and better.

Sounds great but the cops and courts would do more to YOU than the scumbag trying to rob your house or car. You'd be taking the law into your own hands now wouldn't you! Couldn't have that...no just look after the scumbags and criminals and let the rest of society suffer at their hands.

You know the story,,, broken home, alcoholic father, high on drugs...any amount of excuses for them but now you with your pick axe handle defending your home and family...well you should know better. I'm afraid a stiff sentence for you is the only answer.

Then of course you'll be sued by the scumbag for assualt, causing mental stress etc. The scumbags at the top of this society and the scumbags at the bottom of society get looked after and all the rest of the descent people in between get screwed.

Some justice system.

deisedevil

The law is on their side and the Gardai aren't even bothered about putting effort into robberies any more as they rarely get any joy and when they do and bring a case to court they get off with it anyway and get a slap on the wrist for wrecking someones car or robbing their house and that person has to claim on insurance (if they have any, I didn't) and then watch their premium go up or fork out from their own savings if insurance doesn't cover it.

Had My house and car robbed in the space of 2 months last year.

2 caught in the car by Gardai with screwdriver, while hot wiring car. Nothing done to them. I haven't seen a penny for the new door and window and damage underneath steering wheel.

House robbed and the fool handed himself in because he thought he was caught. (Gardai had put no effort whatsoever into finding out who did it)
He was on parole and went back to jail. Last I heard of it and again, nothing to compensate me for €3500 worth of possessions stolen including other half's grandmothers engagement ring and jewelery.


All of this has left me feeling very bitter and completely left down by the lack of justice in Ireland.

The next time someone comes near my car or my house I won't even blink, I'll be on top of them in a second with the baseball bat under my bed and I won't care if I get done for it because for the first time I'll have felt that I was the one in control of the situation and I'll feel like I handed out the justice that wouldn't have otherwise been handed out.

insight_man

deisedevil wrote: »

The law is on their side and the Gardai aren't even bothered about putting effort into robberies any more as they rarely get any joy and when they do and bring a case to court they get off with it anyway and get a slap on the wrist for wrecking someones car or robbing their house and that person has to claim on insurance (if they have any, I didn't) and then watch their premium go up or fork out from their own savings if insurance doesn't cover it.

Had My house and car robbed in the space of 2 months last year.

2 caught in the car by Gardai with screwdriver, while hot wiring car. Nothing done to them. I haven't seen a penny for the new door and window and damage underneath steering wheel.

House robbed and the fool handed himself in because he thought he was caught. (Gardai had put no effort whatsoever into finding out who did it)
He was on parole and went back to jail. Last I heard of it and again, nothing to compensate me for €3500 worth of possessions stolen including other half's grandmothers engagement ring and jewelery.


All of this has left me feeling very bitter and completely left down by the lack of justice in Ireland.

The next time someone comes near my car or my house I won't even blink, I'll be on top of them in a second with the baseball bat under my bed and I won't care if I get done for it because for the first time I'll have felt that I was the one in control of the situation and I'll feel like I handed out the justice that wouldn't have otherwise been handed out.

I can see where your coming from the scumbags get off or light sentance and you pay the huge bills.

Did you consider sueing them for your losses. I know it might be hard to get money out of them but you never know. If you had hit any of them you'd be sued by them.

System is wrong they should be heavily punished by the law AND have to pay you compensation. Until we start standing up for ourselves and force the politicians and judges to change the law nothing will happen.

I'm sure everyone can see why people will take the law into their own hands to protect themselves and their families when its clear the broken down justice system in this country is doing nothing for them.

deisedevil

insight_man wrote: »

System is wrong they should be heavily punished by the law AND have to pay you compensation.

Couldn't agree more!

seanybiker

Madness. I'm always walkign around at stupid o clock up here.
Two lads tried to rob me neighbours scooter about 4 years ago. I chased them down the road and flattened one of them. Cops Came along then and said that if me neighbour wanted them arrested for the robbery that I would probably end up getting done aswell. Was some smack haha perfect connection. His friend started crying asking me not to hit him aswell.
Good to hear your mans ok though

insight_man

deisedevil wrote: »

Couldn't agree more!

I suggest boards members lobby the new minister for justice for changes in the law like we're talking about. New brush sweeps clean and all that.

Lets try get something done about it..FG always saw themselves as the law and order party so lets put it up to them from the start.

Internet is a powerful tool as seen with Obama's election.

Is anyone up for this or what.

dlofnep

seanybiker wrote: »

Madness. I'm always walkign around at stupid o clock up here.
Two lads tried to rob me neighbours scooter about 4 years ago. I chased them down the road and flattened one of them. Cops Came along then and said that if me neighbour wanted them arrested for the robbery that I would probably end up getting done aswell. Was some smack haha perfect connection. His friend started crying asking me not to hit him aswell.
Good to hear your mans ok though

Good man yourself seany!

seanybiker

dlofnep wrote: »

Good man yourself seany!

You would have done the same. Actually your cousin went off in one direction looking for them and I went the other way.I was in bits boy. Haven't ran since lol

dlofnep

lol - glad to hear i'd say they were sh*ting it.

seanybiker

dlofnep wrote: »

lol - glad to hear i'd say they were sh*ting it.

Not at all. Your man ran at me. Probably why it was such a good slap lol

deisedevil

seanybiker wrote: »

Madness. I'm always walkign around at stupid o clock up here.
Two lads tried to rob me neighbours scooter about 4 years ago. I chased them down the road and flattened one of them. Cops Came along then and said that if me neighbour wanted them arrested for the robbery that I would probably end up getting done aswell. Was some smack haha perfect connection. His friend started crying asking me not to hit him aswell.
Good to hear your mans ok though

Fair play to ya!

If the did them for the robbery they would have got a slap on the wrist. You could have got jail. At least with the smack you gave him he had something to remember.

dlofnep

seanybiker wrote: »

Not at all. Your man ran at me. Probably why it was such a good slap lol

lol, idiot.

Kess73

insight_man wrote: »

Ultimate Chin your spot on. If the scumbags are caught nothing will really happen to them for all the reasons you gave.

Anyone out there agree with me that the so called justice system is a farce. Look at the fella found guilty last week of murdering the young fella and his dad in Kerry with a shotgun after falling out with the victim a few months before.

2 life sentences to run concurrently! What rubbish is that. He might do 10 or 12 years or less with 'good behaviour' and be out. He killed 2 people so he should 20 years for one then start 20 years for the other one.

And this other thing the judges say like 20 others offences were taken into account...I'll tell you what that means, it means the scumbags get off with all those offences scot free. The sentences, the judges and the whole system is crap in Ireland.

The criminal gets looked after better than the victims. Lock these criminals up for long sentences, one to follow the other because thats what they deserve.

My sympathy is for the VICTIMS not the Criminals. They deserve anything they get. Anyone with me on this.

Shocking stuff lads, but it is something that we are seeing in every part of Ireland now.

There was a court case in Limerick this week, and a guy was convicted. He had 161 prior convictions to his name, yes that is 161, and a number of other ones pending.

The poor dear decided on his 162nd conviction to claim that he is now suffering from ADHD,and that should be taken into account for his latest conviction and any future ones.

Just a joke that a person can rack up so many convictions for robbery, assaults, drugs and various other crimes and continue to keep getting out after either short sentectes or just get suspened sentences.


Another incident in Limerick this week was the arrest of four scumbags who were caught red handed coming back to retake a stoken car by the Gardai.

The Gardai had rocks and other various items bounced off of them by the scumbags and other scum that lived in the area. Yet the four scumbags were released and the locals in that area were whinging about their rights and how the gardai were rough after getting hit by rocks.


One thing the government could do, well imho anyway, is take some of the money used for NAMA or some of the EU bailout money, and pour money into building new prisons. It would give work to those from the construction industry that are out of work at present, and when finished it would free up plenty of space so that criminals could start serving prioper time for crimes.


But I have a feeling the same old story will continue with the actual victims of crime getting the short end of what is meant to be justice, with the scum getting to reoffend over and over because they know there is no real punishment coming.

Sorry to invade the Waterford forum with this post, but I often read this forum along with the Cork, Kerry and Limerick ones, and the thread topic moved me to pass comment.

insight_man

seanybiker wrote: »

Madness. I'm always walkign around at stupid o clock up here.
Two lads tried to rob me neighbours scooter about 4 years ago. I chased them down the road and flattened one of them. Cops Came along then and said that if me neighbour wanted them arrested for the robbery that I would probably end up getting done aswell. Was some smack haha perfect connection. His friend started crying asking me not to hit him aswell.
Good to hear your mans ok though

Well done seaniebiker...good stuff. Typical of the cops though you could be done....this country is crap for victims and heaven for criminals

seanybiker

161 jaysus. Death penalty. Fook it. I know he didn't murder anyone but with that amount of convictions it would be cheaper in the long run to kill him. Give a local chap a days work building the gallows

insight_man

Kess73 wrote: »

Shocking stuff lads, but it is something that we are seeing in every part of Ireland now.

There was a court case in Limerick this week, and a guy was convicted. He had 161 prior convictions to his name, yes that is 161, and a number of other ones pending.

The poor dear decided on his 162nd conviction to claim that he is now suffering from ADHD,and that should be taken into account for his latest conviction and any future ones.

Just a joke that a person can rack up so many convictions for robbery, assaults, drugs and various other crimes and continue to keep getting out after either short sentectes or just get suspened sentences.


Another incident in Limerick this week was the arrest of four scumbags who were caught red handed coming back to retake a stoken car by the Gardai.

The Gardai had rocks and other various items bounced off of them by the scumbags and other scum that lived in the area. Yet the four scumbags were released and the locals in that area were whinging about their rights and how the gardai were rough after getting hit by rocks.


One thing the government could do, well imho anyway, is take some of the money used for NAMA or some of the EU bailout money, and pour money into building new prisons. It would give work to those from the construction industry that are out of work at present, and when finished it would free up plenty of space so that criminals could start serving prioper time for crimes.


But I have a feeling the same old story will continue with the actual victims of crime getting the short end of what is meant to be justice, with the scum getting to reoffend over and over because they know there is no real punishment coming.

Sorry to invade the Waterford forum with this post, but I often read this forum along with the Cork, Kerry and Limerick ones, and the thread topic moved me to pass comment.

You're welcome anytime as someone who is supporting the victims and not the scumbags. I agree with the building of prisons we need lots of them and plenty of work for the unemployed construction workers.

Limerick is a perfect example of serious crime and practically nothing done to help the people. 161 previous convictions...bet he'll make the 200. He should get out in about 40 years if there's any justice.

We need to get a campaign going on this across the country... Justice for Victims as a slogan maybe....simple but to the point

insight_man

seanybiker wrote: »

161 jaysus. Death penalty. Fook it. I know he didn't murder anyone but with that amount of convictions it would be cheaper in the long run to kill him. Give a local chap a days work building the gallows

Great idea. No place for these kinds of people in normal society.

Hoffmans

The scum that did that are seemingly minors so they will problally get wrapped up in cotton wool, and pff for tea n biscuits down with. Some prob ation officer when they are picked up yet again ,see they have been getting away with this craic for so long they get more bravado and voilent towards their victims,
They shud have been nailed from day one.....

Finnbar01

Something definately has to change here. Maybe a public flogging wouldn't be such a bad thing.

flutered

dlofnep wrote: »

Indeed, unfortunately it's not something I'd have ready to hand.

then why not have one handy, ie just behind the front door.

chelloveks

seanybiker wrote: »

Madness. I'm always walkign around at stupid o clock up here.
Two lads tried to rob me neighbours scooter about 4 years ago. I chased them down the road and flattened one of them. Cops Came along then and said that if me neighbour wanted them arrested for the robbery that I would probably end up getting done aswell. Was some smack haha perfect connection. His friend started crying asking me not to hit him aswell.
Good to hear your mans ok though

Sound man Seany! I told you a year ago you should get together with me fckn maniac cousin up there and form a Peoples Protection Group. Put on some fckn green berets or something and get publicity started if the jerkoff cops can't do their job. Newspapers and other news outlets love stories like that and you'll be a fookin hero!

LMFAO!

Finnbar01

chelloveks wrote: »

Sound man Seany! I told you a year ago you should get together with me fckn maniac cousin up there and form a Peoples Protection Group. Put on some fckn green berets or something and get publicity started if the jerkoff cops can't do their job. Newspapers and other news outlets love stories like that and you'll be a fookin hero!

LMFAO!

You can't blame the cops for what's going on. More often than not when dealing with minors their hands are tied.

Also they have the beeldin' hearts brigade (mainly Irish times readers) to contend with as well.

seanybiker

chelloveks wrote: »

Sound man Seany! I told you a year ago you should get together with me fckn maniac cousin up there and form a Peoples Protection Group. Put on some fckn green berets or something and get publicity started if the jerkoff cops can't do their job. Newspapers and other news outlets love stories like that and you'll be a fookin hero!

LMFAO!

lol who's your cousin?
Do we still have a residents association yoke up here?

chelloveks

the gentleman you wouldn't leave alone with your GF! Who would you call to check if the coast was clear to drive yer bike home after a good lashin? Who was the quiz master?

LMFFFFFAO

shebzy

This town is getting worse by the week!, all people should stand up to these scumbags,heroin dealers etc and kick the sh*t out of them until they realise it wont be tolerated.

Seanybiker ,ye done the right thing with giving him a good slap

seanybiker

chelloveks wrote: »

the gentleman you wouldn't leave alone with your GF! Who would you call to check if the coast was clear to drive yer bike home after a good lashin? Who was the quiz master?

LMFFFFFAO

oh yeah sorry I remember now haha some legend him

Finnbar01

shebzy wrote: »

This town is getting worse by the week!, all people should stand up to these scumbags,heroin dealers etc and kick the sh*t out of them until they realise it wont be tolerated.

Seanybiker ,ye done the right thing with giving him a good slap

We had a few heroin scumbags up my way and we had to run them out of it.

chelloveks

Finnbar01 wrote: »

We had a few heroin scumbags up my way and we had to run them out of it.

This is the only way to get rid of these fookers...get a few lads together with balaclavas and bust em up good...then do it again, and again.

Addiction is a nasty thing thats turns people into monsters, especially heroin. They really can't help what they do as the craving takes over and they will rob and kill anyone who gets in the way of the next fix they have to have.

I am no bleeding heart liberal and I grew up in NYC during the heroin rage of the 70's right after Vietnam and then the crack epidemic in the 80's. I defended myself and was armed and very dangerous back then with good reason. If the cops sit around and protect scummbag rights you are going to need to stop this yourselves. If I were living in Waterford today I'd be walking around with a nice fresh hurley with the little metal bands sharpened to a razor finish and would use it in a fookin second if a scummbag looked at me sideways. If questioned by the police, I was training and was attacked and felt threatened. then I would find out who he palled around with and get a few fellas to give them a bit as well. You can't sit back and wait for them to die off....you have to help them get there quicker.

Just google Bernie Goetz

deisemum

seanybiker wrote: »

Madness. I'm always walkign around at stupid o clock up here.
Two lads tried to rob me neighbours scooter about 4 years ago. I chased them down the road and flattened one of them. Cops Came along then and said that if me neighbour wanted them arrested for the robbery that I would probably end up getting done aswell. Was some smack haha perfect connection. His friend started crying asking me not to hit him aswell.
Good to hear your mans ok though

Good on you.

When we lived in London my husband was walking home one night and he's a few drinks in him. Next thing he was shoved up against a wall and had "give us your money man" shouted at him.

Without thinking he instinctively lashed out and gave a haymaker of a punch to one of them and could feel the man's nose breaking beneath his fist and left the bastard stretched on the ground. When his accomplice saw this he took off running. My husband reckons he wouldn't have hit out if he was stone cold sober but said it was just an instinctive thing to do.

We reported it to a police officer that I knew and he said officially he wouldn't advise that incase the victim ends up in more bother but unofficially he was glad that my husband "dealt" with them without getting injured himself.

However my favourite "justice" report was the time a work colleague told me that her male friend ordered a takeaway so popped out to pick it up. He was gone a max of 10 mins. When he got back he found his doberman pinscher dog stretched on the floor gasping for breathe.

He picked the dog up and rushed to the vets. The vet retrieved 4 fingers from the dog's throat and it turned out the dog went for the person who was breaking in a window and got more that he bargained on.

Finnbar01

deisemum wrote: »

Good on you.

When we lived in London my husband was walking home one night and he's a few drinks in him. Next thing he was shoved up against a wall and had "give us your money man" shouted at him.

Without thinking he instinctively lashed out and gave a haymaker of a punch to one of them and could feel the man's nose breaking beneath his fist and left the bastard stretched on the ground. When his accomplice saw this he took off running. My husband reckons he wouldn't have hit out if he was stone cold sober but said it was just an instinctive thing to do.

We reported it to a police officer that I knew and he said officially he wouldn't advise that incase the victim ends up in more bother but unofficially he was glad that my husband "dealt" with them without getting injured himself.

However my favourite "justice" report was the time a work colleague told me that her male friend ordered a takeaway so popped out to pick it up. He was gone a max of 10 mins. When he got back he found his doberman pinscher dog stretched on the floor gasping for breathe.

He picked the dog up and rushed to the vets. The vet retrieved 4 fingers from the dog's throat and it turned out the dog went for the person who was breaking in a window and got more that he bargained on.

chelloveks

deisemum wrote: »

Good on you.

When we lived in London my husband was walking home one night and he's a few drinks in him. Next thing he was shoved up against a wall and had "give us your money man" shouted at him.

Without thinking he instinctively lashed out and gave a haymaker of a punch to one of them and could feel the man's nose breaking beneath his fist and left the bastard stretched on the ground. When his accomplice saw this he took off running. My husband reckons he wouldn't have hit out if he was stone cold sober but said it was just an instinctive thing to do.

We reported it to a police officer that I knew and he said officially he wouldn't advise that incase the victim ends up in more bother but unofficially he was glad that my husband "dealt" with them without getting injured himself.

However my favourite "justice" report was the time a work colleague told me that her male friend ordered a takeaway so popped out to pick it up. He was gone a max of 10 mins. When he got back he found his doberman pinscher dog stretched on the floor gasping for breathe.

He picked the dog up and rushed to the vets. The vet retrieved 4 fingers from the dog's throat and it turned out the dog went for the person who was breaking in a window and got more that he bargained on.

Classic! Too bad it wasn't his family jewels!

seanybiker

Few fellas tried to hop on me brother in town about two years ago and he bet two of em and the other two ran away. Me other brother got knocked out then about a year ago. Luckily the cops where walking along and seen the lads kick him when he was knocked out and gave chase. Little bastards got away.
Another chap I know from the pub got hopped on, he grabbed a fecking tyre iron off one of the lads and they legged it.
Place is gone mad me thinks.

honeybadger

its gone beyond mad seany boy,,next big thing that is going to happen waterford is the gun supply i say now that the junk has taken root ,,:mad: fookin pity as wen i growing up things wer bad then but looking back now with hindsight its a lot lot lot worse today,,

honeybadger

chelloveks wrote: »

I used to have a beauty of a little defense tool years ago. It looked like the throttle on a motorbike, really looked like a handle. With the flick of your wrist, out popped a series of nested pipes inside one another with a metal ball at the end. When it was extended it was about 18 inches long and packed quite a wallop.

they can be got over here the extendable batton ,,pepper spary is a better job and then flick out the batton haha but guess wot both items are illegal in ireland to posess

in fairness ya mite as well be pissing against the wind on this skum rule

chelloveks

Jaysus, they were illegal here too, but if you ever got caught you say that you took it off the scummer and bet him with his own weapon.

Sure sounds like the fookers have the liberal politicos protecting their every move! I hope you lads figure out a way to protect yer families, because the scumbags will be robbin the easy marks like women and elderly people. I agree guns will flourish next as well.

honeybadger

just looking at ur profile ink there i rember that day long ago when ray houghton stuck the ball in the back of the italian net lol and makes me think of big jacks words put them under pressure