Horrific happenings in japan - do you think charities will exploit?

LighterGuy

First off, I dont trust charities. Sure, some are legit and for the benefit of others. But I generally think most are to make money. A business of sorts. Its sad. But the world we live in. So do you think charities will take "advantage" of the recent events in Japan?

Perhaps we should do one better. Lets add a poll. I post this on 13 March 2011. A sunday. Tomorrow is monday. A business day. So when do you think you will be asked to give money to help?


and.. of course reply back with thoughts :P

Killer Pigeon

Another retarded comment, brought to you by LighterGuy ...

.... Seriously donate people!!

Einhard

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Another retarded comment, brought to you by LighterGuy ...

.... Seriously donate people!!

I wish I could thank this twice.

Seriously LighterGuy, did Trocaire rape your father and kill your mother or something?! You have one serious chip on your shoulder when it comes to charities?

LighterGuy

Einhard wrote: »

I wish I could thank this twice.

Seriously LighterGuy, did Trocaire rape your father and kill your mother or something?! You have one serious chip on your shoulder when it comes to charities?

At the risk of this thread being closed by my comment...

real world > me
real world > outside your window as you sit by your pc.

Aoifey!

LighterGuy wrote: »

Sure, some are to make money. But I generally think most are legit and for the benefit of others.

Fixed.

jay-me

Looking at the likes of chuggers i would say he has a fair point.. And aren't the heads of these charities loaded from the takings?

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/26/15-highest-paid-charity-ceos.html

PatrickD32

I dont feel this is a retarded comment.

There are alot off good people in charities however there alot cream off the top.

Say retarded or work at top and see there is a divide, thinkin all charities dont have people milking it is retarded imo.

Get with the real world!

Diabhal Beag

OP apart from the governments and UN how do you think Japan is going to get financial aid?

gosuckonalemon

LighterGuy wrote: »

First off, I dont trust charities. Sure, some are legit and for the benefit of others. But I generally think most are to make money. A business of sorts. Its sad. But the world we live in. So do you think charities will take "advantage" of the recent events in Japan?

Perhaps we should do one better. Lets add a poll. I post this on 13 March 2011. A sunday. Tomorrow is monday. A business day. So when do you think you will be asked to give money to help?


and.. of course reply back with thoughts :P

Did you walk in on your mother fuc.king a Trocaire box when you were young or something?

Beaucoupfish

Lighter guy, You are a mean spirited prick. If you are so bothered do some research and get back to us.

dory

jay-me wrote: »

Looking at the likes of chuggers i would say he has a fair point.. And aren't the heads of these charities loaded from the takings?

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/26/15-highest-paid-charity-ceos.html

Did you even read your own link? Most of those are foundations and orchestras. Not charities out helping people in Africa.

Yes, people who work for charities get paid a normal, decent wage. The provide a professional service improving the lives of people in other countries. You don't mind people working in management in McDonalds getting paid well, but if they're influencing the lives of millions - they should get pennies. Are you serious?

Read this for more info: http://goodintents.org/choosing-a-charity/charity-ratings-based-on-administration-costs-can-do-more-harm-than-good

wyndham

I don't think financial aid is required in the same sense as Haiti or Chile or Indonesia. Japan is a wealthy country. It's more logistical support.

Kidchameleon

OP,

I don't trust them either. If I could personally hand money to a person in need then I'll gladly help, but not a single cent of my wages would fill the pocket of some fat cat CEO of a charity. They only have themselves to thank what with their chuggers and insane salaries...

silverharp

OP what a stupid post. Japan is one of the richest countries in the world, they dont need your cider money. Unless you have an emergency response team on standby I think youll be fine

Joe10000

I don't trust them either and to answer your question I got a tweet yesterday morning asking me to donate $10 to the relief fund by Redcross.org.

Sunnyisland

You dont have to donate to all charities that contact you,you can ignore them.

There are numerous genuine charities out there in which i would have no problem donating in what ever way i could.

Son Of A Vidic

Undoubtedly there are some charities that are best avoided due to their high 'administrative costs' - 5 cent in every €1 reaching victims ect,ect. However, it's charities like Trócaire and Medicines San Frontiers ect that can be trusted.

Oh how easy it is to post snide and mean comments sitting in front of your computer screen, hoping that the world doesn't realize just how inconsequential you really are.

Dave!

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh how easy it is to post snide and mean comments sitting in front of your computer screen, hoping that the world doesn't realize just how inconsequential you really are.

ouch!

Seaneh

yeah. Some charities have insane admin fees, like the irish red cross.
They should be avoided.

But there are charities with less than 10% going to admin fees.
I myself am involved with a charity which sends thousands of people all across the world, which feeds up to 6000 orphans every day in Swaziland, every year, and only has admin fees of 5-7% annually.

Those are the types of charities you should support.

partyatmygaff

Japan is a pretty wealthy country. It needs manpower and logistical support more than anything. Doctors, construction workers and all others who are necessary to help the people affected by the Earthquake and Tsunami.

Micky Dolenz

Beaucoupfish wrote: »

Lighter guy, You are a mean spirited prick. If you are so bothered do some research and get back to us.

Banned

doubleglaze

I think that OP has a point. I have considerable experience of various charities and have seen a serious amount of funds wasted - more due to bad judgement than to high corruption levels.

I would say, in retrospect, that the main charity I was ever involved in was primarily interested in its own survival and in protecting the financial interests of its paid executives than it was in anything else.

I met the wife of a retired ambassador not so long ago, a very bright and insightful woman. She said that her experience of charities in Africa was that the money was not getting through to where it was needed; that it would be best if people donated money to, for example, nuns and priests working on the ground (even though she has long since left the Catholic church herself).

Naikon

Unless you have the ability to audit their accounts, Charities for the most part, simply can't be trusted. If someone really wants to help, create your own fundraising campaign or sit back down. Blind faith imo.

My name is URL

Most of the bigger charities make no secret of the fact that they run themselves based on business models, or that those at the top are paid huge wages. You have to spend money in order to raise funds effectively and if it means that aid is delivered faster and more efficiently when it's needed then I don't see the big deal.

fabbydabby

Slightly off topic, but on the subject of charities, someone I know is gone to Ghana this week on one of those 'charity' holidays which I was badgered into donating to. I got a text last night, they're going surfing today.

I am all for helping out my fellow man, especially our Japanese friends who were so badly hit with this disaster, but these charity holiday things piss me off a bit.

I don't doubt the good intentions of many of the people who do this sort of thing, but sending a load of primarily inept students off to a country (which by the way apparently has mobile phone signal and other 1st world commodities) is not an efficient use of charity money, no matter what way you look at it.

You wouldn';t see a lot of these people handing out soup on Dublin's streets on their own time or reading stories to sick kids - it's bullsh*t, they just want a free trip abroad.

I would love to see figures for what this charity exactly they have achieved and how much has been spent so far.

previous user

Hope I'm not going too off topic here put can people join some sort of volunteer Corps. to help people over there?

Naikon

Boards.ie fundraiser?

Oranage2

Well doubt concern will ask for money in Japan since I'm almost sure they only work in the poorest countries. To be honest Japan doesnt really need the money as much as if an earthquake hit a poorer country, though still if your money would go along way in helping.


I still dont get how people say CEOs are on massive wages. Charties bring in millions of euro each year. Troicaire make about 60million and concern over 120million. The CEOs are paid around 90k a year. So a competent person has to run them, and for the money charities deal with 90k isnt a lot of money when you consider so public workers/college lecturers/TD could be earning something similar with nowhere near as much responsibilty.

The fact people say i dont want to donate because of "such and such", its mostly you dont want to danote so stop making ignorant excusses and just say that you dont care!

Naikon

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh how easy it is to post snide and mean comments sitting in front of your computer screen, hoping that the world doesn't realize just how inconsequential you really are.

The above statement applies to your post too...

darragh16

Time to help the Japanese. They're one of the biggest donators in the world. When the Tsunami hit Indonesia etc. they donated half a billion and provided numerous supplies. Time for everyone to help them again.

Naikon

Oranage2 wrote: »

Well doubt concern will ask for money in Japan since I'm almost sure they only work in the poorest countries. To be honest Japan doesnt really need the money as much as if an earthquake hit a poorer country, though still if your money would go along way in helping.


I still dont get how people say CEOs are on massive wages. Charties bring in millions of euro each year. Troicaire make about 60million and concern over 120million. The CEOs are paid around 90k a year. So a competent person has to run them, and for the money charities deal with 90k isnt a lot of money when you consider so public workers/college lecturers/TD could be earning something similar with nowhere near as much responsibilty.

The fact people say i dont want to donate because of "such and such", its mostly you dont want to danote so stop making ignorant excusses and just say that you dont care!

Give me their audit reports - Yes. Otherwise - No. Fund misappropriation isn't going to reveal itself if we are only given the bare facts. Honestly, these glorified companies should be required by law to publish in full detail how they manage their earnings.

Oranage2

Naikon wrote: »

Give me their audit reports - Yes. Otherwise - No. Fund misappropriation isn't going to reveal itself if we are only given the bare facts. Honestly, these glorified companies should be required by law to publish in full detail how they manage their earnings.

http://www.concern.net/sites/concern.net/files/documents/concern_worldwide_ar_09.pdf

Page 88 onwards for actually figures

AFC_1903

Charity starts at home.

The earthquakes in New Zealand and Japan have hit the people badly, and I don't want to seem like I'm anti-them, but lets support those non-profit charities in Ireland first.

My name is URL

AFC_1903 wrote: »

Charity starts at home.

The earthquakes in New Zealand and Japan have hit the people badly, and I don't want to seem like I'm anti-them, but lets support those non-profit charities in Ireland first.

Lots of Irish people live in both NZ & Japan.. not that it should matter really. If one day there was a natural disaster resulting in a massive loss of life in Ireland; we'd be glad of any outside help offered to us.

Capt'n Midnight

AFC_1903 wrote: »

Charity starts at home.

The earthquakes in New Zealand and Japan have hit the people badly, and I don't want to seem like I'm anti-them, but lets support those non-profit charities in Ireland first.

TBH a lot of Irish charities do stuff that the government / health services should be doing. Add in the national lottery which soaks up a lot of money that used to go into charity boxes and you'll see there is a lot of stuff the government don't have to do here. As a country we are still rich enough to address the needs of our deserving.


Here charities are in many case involved in improving standard of living, overseas some are involved in improving the chances of living.



Overall trade and not aid is the best mechanism

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

LighterGuy wrote: »

First off, I dont trust charities. Sure, some are legit and for the benefit of others. But I generally think most are to make money. A business of sorts. Its sad. But the world we live in. So do you think charities will take "advantage" of the recent events in Japan?

Perhaps we should do one better. Lets add a poll. I post this on 13 March 2011. A sunday. Tomorrow is monday. A business day. So when do you think you will be asked to give money to help?


and.. of course reply back with thoughts :P

This post is in a league of it's own, it has reached a previously unknown level of idiocracy.

How does a not for profit organisation make a profit? Go to the CT forum with that crap... good chap.

Oranage2

Donations for the Irish Famine came from distant and unexpected sources. Calcutta, India sent 16,500 Pounds in 1847, Bombay another 3,000. Florence, Italy, Antigua, France, Jamaica, and Barbados sent contributions. The Choctaw tribe in North America sent $710. Many major cities in America set up Relief Committees for Ireland, and Jewish synagogues in America and Britain contributed generously.


When we needed charity a lot of Countries helped us and I'm sure the charities back then had to deal with the same ignorant folk charities deal with today," no money gets to the people"