Who the f*** does Enda Kenny think he is?

bobblepuzzle

He gets in a shouting match with Sarkozy even....

The Irish state signed a contract with the EU & IMF regarding our bailout... yes they saved us from oblivion!

And Enda thinks he can try and renegotiate in this way?? I think it's time we lived up to our reponsibility as a sovereign state, or is that beyond us!

itsallaboutheL

Even what?

phasers

yes they saved us from oblivion!

No they didn't, they saved their own stupid currency

peasant

Who the f*** does Enda Kenny think he is?

Not as much of a pushover as the last fella?

Sugarfree

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

He gets in a shouting match with Sarkozy even....

The Irish state signed a contract with the EU & IMF regarding our bailout... yes they saved us from oblivion!

And Enda thinks he can try and renegotiate in this way?? I think it's time we lived up to our reponsibility as a sovereign state, or is that beyond us!

I have never seen such nonsense in written print before.

Mushy

Sarkozy needs to know that Ireland will probably default. He also needs to know they'll default quicker if Corp. Tax rises. He also needs to know we took that ****ing bailout for the sake of Europe.

It'll look great if/when Ireland default and European central Bank also ends up in the ****s!

Vorsprung

Enda said in his campaign that he'd try to renegotitate.

A lot of people agreed with him.

It's refreshing to see people doing what they'd say they'd do!

General General

Does the OP know how much France gets in handouts from the EU each year?

Oranage2

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Who the f*** does Enda Kenny think he is?

My guess would be Enda Kenny?

squod

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Who the f*** does Enda Kenny think he is?

Fionnula apparently :rolleyes:

bobblepuzzle

We were saved by the EU... WE SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH THEM! Its time to move on, accept the punishment (well deserved by any standard) and work our way out of it! Instead of spending just as much effort moaning about it

MagicSean

Tey didnt save us. If we had defaulted it would be mostly european investors and banks that got screwed.

pragmatic1

About time someone told Sarkozy and Merkel to get ****ed.

Killer Pigeon

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

He gets in a shouting match with Sarkozy even....

The Irish state signed a contract with the EU & IMF regarding our bailout... yes they saved us from oblivion!

And Enda thinks he can try and renegotiate in this way?? I think it's time we lived up to our reponsibility as a sovereign state, or is that beyond us!

Quit that defeatist attitude bobblepuzzle, you're acting like a Frenchman!

Captain_Generic

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

He gets in a shouting match with Sarkozy even....

How else does one communicate with a man with crépes in his ears?

Tails142

probably drunk again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxb0JHqzlA

OutlawPete

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Who the **** does Enda Kenny think he is?

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jumpguy

Enda Kenny's renegotiating of the EU bailout reminds me of Obama's attempt to shut down Guantanamo Bay almost immediately after his election.

Can Enda Kenny do better than Obama?

I think it's rather unfair how the EU are almost being extortionist with our country - we're at their mercy now - even though the bailout was only necessary because we had adopted the Euro currency. By the same token, I don't think Irish people should be so inflexible about the corporation tax. A .5% or 1% increase still means our corporation tax is exceptionally low.

I also find it amusing how critical the Irish people have gotten the EU. The Celtic Tiger, by and large, would not have happened without them. How many of our new shiny motorways do you see "60% funded by EU partners" on? We need the EU much more than the EU needs us.

At this point, however, I think if Enda Kenny is gonna remain steadfast about corporation tax (income tax goes up and we're all up in arms...do people not realise it would not rise so much if corporation tax went up a mere .5%?) the EU are gonna remain steadfast about the bailout terms.

And he will the go the way of Obama and Guantanamo Bay.

Absurdum

I'm liking this Edna character more and more every day.

phasers

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

We were saved by the EU... WE SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH THEM! Its time to move on, accept the punishment (well deserved by any standard) and work our way out of it! Instead of spending just as much effort moaning about it

You're like one of those fake callers Adrian Kennedy has to piss people off and make them call in

General General

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

We were saved by the EU... WE SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH THEM! Its time to move on, accept the punishment (well deserved by any standard) and work our way out of it! Instead of spending just as much effort moaning about it or, worse again, now that I think about it, moaning about people moaning about it...

FYP

Havermeyer

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

He gets in a shouting match with Sarkozy even....

The Irish state signed a contract with the EU & IMF regarding our bailout... yes they saved us from oblivion!

And Enda thinks he can try and renegotiate in this way?? I think it's time we lived up to our reponsibility as a sovereign state, or is that beyond us!

Nonsense.

They didn't save us.

They saved themselves.

bobblepuzzle

General General wrote: »

Does the OP know how much France gets in handouts from the EU each year?

Does General General know the amount of handouts Ireland gets from the EU... because I can gaurantee it is more than France per capita... one example would be motorways, does it make you feel proud with the big signs "80% funded by the EU" DOES IT!

galwayrush

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

We were saved by the EU... WE SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH THEM! Its time to move on, accept the punishment (well deserved by any standard) and work our way out of it! Instead of spending just as much effort moaning about it

No we weren't, Lennie and co. rolled over for them while at the same time told lie after lie to the Irish public. Why do you think we deserve punishment for the last incompetent Government and the incompetent greedy bankers ?
We can't afford the current terms, we the public don't seserve them, so why don't you move on and accept that finally we may have a leader who actually cares about his people.

easygoing39

At least Enda is not a cheese eating surrender monkey!!:D

bobblepuzzle

galwayrush wrote: »

No we weren't, Lennie and co. rolled over for them while at the same time told lie after lie to the Irish public. Why do you think we deserve punishment for the last incompetent Government and the incompetent greedy bankers ?
We can't afford the current terms, we the public don't seserve them, so why don't you move on and accept that finally we may have a leader who actually cares about his people.

Sorry, I'm clearly missing something here... did the people not give a mandate to Fianna Fail

Absurdum

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Does General General know the amount of handouts Ireland gets from the EU... because I can gaurantee it is more than France per capita... one example would be motorways, does it make you feel proud with the big signs "80% funded by the EU" DOES IT!

you're talking bollox by the way!

Killer Pigeon

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

We were saved by the EU... WE SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH THEM! Its time to move on, accept the punishment (well deserved by any standard) and work our way out of it! Instead of spending just as much effort moaning about it

Who's 'WE'? Is 'WE' representative of the Fianna Fáil party who only had support of less than 20% of the population? That's not 'we', 'we' is the majority opinion of the country and one of the major things people voted for was a renegotiation of the IMF/EU interest rate. The two largest parties, Labour and Fine Gael and other parties like Sinn Féin & ULA (ever though they wanted more drastic measures), promised this in their election manifesto, people knew what they were voting for and voted OVERWHELMINGLY for a renegotiation. Enda Kenny is what he is, a representative of the voice of the Irish electorate and a mandate by a majority of people here to do what he is trying to do!!

This is a good sign from our new Taoiseach, at least he's doing what he is supposed to do.

phasers

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Sorry, I'm clearly missing something here... did the people not give a mandate to Fianna Fail

Technically no, Cowen wasn't elected in.

bobblepuzzle

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Who's 'WE'? Is 'WE' representative of the Fianna Fáil party who only had support of less than 20% of the population? That's not 'we', 'we' is the majority opinion of the country and one of the major things people voted for was a renegotiation of the IMF/EU interest rate. The two largest parties, Labour and Fine Gael and other parties like Sinn Féin & ULA (ever though they wanted more drastic measures), promised this in their election manifesto, people knew what they were voting for and voted OVERWHELMINGLY for a renegotiation. Enda Kenny is what he is, a representative of the voice of the Irish electorate in Europe; a voice of anger!

We gave Fianna Fail a mandate for five years, yes the people!

poppyvalley

Mushy wrote: »

Sarkozy needs to know that Ireland will probably default. He also needs to know they'll default quicker if Corp. Tax rises. He also needs to know we took that ****ing bailout for the sake of Europe.

It'll look great if/when Ireland default and European central Bank also ends up in the ****s!

Remember that "Maastricht Treaty" which promised no interference with our corporation tax

Poor Uncle Tom

Good for him...
Finally, someone worth standing behind and to be proud of.

(I never thought I'd hear myself say that about Enda Kenny.....)

galwayrush

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Sorry, I'm clearly missing something here... did the people not give a mandate to Fianna Fail

They did from some people, but that was to run the country in a responsible manner, not to bankrupt it and roll over to the IMF and Euro partners which is exactly what that treasonous party who always put themselves above the country at all costs did. I hope FF supporters did not give them a mandate to screw us all for generations to come., because that's what the bastards did.

Havermeyer

Sugarfree wrote: »

I have never seen such nonsense in written print before.

I have.

Weren't there some posters put up around the place saying vote Fianna Fail "Real Plan, Better Future" or some such bollocks?

bobblepuzzle

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Good for him...
Finally, someone worth standing behind and to be proud of.

(I never thought I'd hear myself say that about Enda Kenny.....)

Why is that? Because we are broke, the EU bailed us out and now we go back to them demanding better terms... bull**** tbh

Killer Pigeon

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

We gave Fianna Fail a mandate for five years, yes the people!

You're logic his highly messed up.

The public opinion changed, PEOPLE were calling for an election MONTHS before the IMF/EU deal; public support for Fianna Fáil was down to record lows nearly a year ago. Fianna Fáil LIED to the Irish electorate and never fulfilled their election promises. They did not fulfill their mandate and betrayed the trust of the people. Do you know how lucky FF were to get into government last time? They had below 50% of the public support, they had below the majority.

MagicMarker

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Why is that? Because we are broke, the EU bailed us out and now we go back to them demanding better terms... bull**** tbh

You do realise we can't afford the current terms?

WoollyRedHat

Enda Kenny is our sexy taoiseach, and as sexy taoiseach he's laying down the law and showing that in this relationship he will wear the pants
He's like our Horatio, stick it to them Enda

Son Of A Vidic

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Sorry, I'm clearly missing something here... did the people not give a mandate to Fianna Fail

Missing something you clearly are I'm afraid.

I'm sure anyone who made the mistake of voting for Fianna Failures, weren't aware of the 'Galway tent', 'golden circles' and similar cliques when doing so.
A mandate for government is one thing, putting the country on it's knees through managerial incompetence is another.

bobblepuzzle

MagicMarker wrote: »

You do realise we can't afford the current terms?

We just have to live with it... let Shell build pipelines all over the country, let a massive casino be built in Tipperary etc, projects like this will NET billions for the economy (their bad side effects are atrocious) but this is where we are at!

Poor Uncle Tom

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Why is that? Because we are broke, the EU bailed us out and now we go back to them demanding better terms... bull**** tbh

If you're embarrased, go hide till it's over, that's politics.

Starry Plough

Has it not occurred to anyone that our corporate tax may actually be too low? While the blackmailing of Kenny by the Germans and French is despicable, corporations in other European countries make billions of euros of profit a year despite a higher tax rate, just like they do here. People often overlook the fact that in the 1950's and 60's, Ireland had a corporate tax rate of 0%, while foreign corporate investment in the country at that time was to the tune of... 0%.

We owe far more to our (almost) free universal education system for foreign company's willingness to invest here than anything else; the low corporate tax rate is just another sacred cow of the celtic-tiger era of Thatcherite tax policies in this country.

bleg

The bailout of Ireland is essentially a bailout of the whole EU. We were funded to stop the spread to Portugal and in particular, Spain. The rate we were funded at had to be higher than these countries were getting on the market, or else what is the point of them getting funded on the market? Once the risk of Spain going under has abated there will be a degree of renegotiation, or else Ireland will be in a position where it will not be able to pay for the interest, let alone the principal of the payment as well as run the country.

Who the **** is Sarkozy to think he can influence Irish corporation tax rates. Nobody in Ireland ever voted for him. He can piss off, as can Merkel or any other political leader in Europe.

tl;dr Ireland saving Europe, interests rates going to come down anyway, go Enda!

General General

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Does General General know the amount of handouts Ireland gets from the EU... because I can gaurantee it is more than France per capita... one example would be motorways, does it make you feel proud with the big signs "80% funded by the EU" DOES IT!

I'm not sure about your per capita claim but I'd imagine that as France was the biggest recipient under the CAP for years, Ireland doesn't come close. However, do refute my point with figures, not hysterical screaming... it's unbecoming of you.

Another point, in the grown up world people are always trying to renegotiate terms of contracts. See the field 'Contract Law' for evidence of same.

heyjude

jumpguy wrote: »

By the same token, I don't think Irish people should be so inflexible about the corporation tax. A .5% or 1% increase still means our corporation tax is exceptionally low.

I don't think the French and Germans are looking for an increase of just .5% or 1% in our corporation tax rate bringing it to 13-13.5%, I suspect they want to see our rate being similar to the rates in their countries, so you are talking about a new rate of 20%+ and possibly as high as the 30% rate in Germany.

However, once you engage in a process of adjusting your tax rates to keep other countries happy, where do you draw the line ?

Yakult

I havent seen this much backfire since I drove my '69 Lada.

FloatingVoter

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

He gets in a shouting match with Sarkozy even....

The Irish state signed a contract with the EU & IMF regarding our bailout... yes they saved us from oblivion!

And Enda thinks he can try and renegotiate in this way?? I think it's time we lived up to our reponsibility as a sovereign state, or is that beyond us!

Sarky, you are a small man, getoverit. Yes - Carla is cheating you. No, you are not welcome on Boards.