The truth is 100s of thousands have died in Japan tsunami

mravaya

According to info/news I am getting from relatives (my Japanese inlaws) in Japan, at least 10 towns with populations of 70,000 have been washed of the face of the earth, so if you count all the smaller places that have populations between those towns it looks like the death toll is going to be around 1,000,000. Already news is coming out about 100's of bodies being found in smaller towns

AckwelFoley

i dont see why or how the international media would get this information so wrong

so i doubt the accuracy of your claim

wellboy76

And this is repeated along a 600km stretch of one of the most populated countrys in the world.

Devastating news to come I'd say

mravaya

snyper wrote: »

i dont see why or how the international media would get this information so wrong

so i doubt the accuracy of your claim

have you not seen the tsunami on TV, this tsunami came in all along the coast between north of sendai to tokyo which is 400 miles long

bitemybanger

I've no bout the death toll will rise significantly but 100,000??.
Japan have one of if not thee best tsunami warning systems, plans of operations and resources on the planet.
Let's try be a little optimistic.

AckwelFoley

mravaya wrote: »

have you not seen the tsunami on TV, this tsunami came in all along the coast between north of sendai to tokyo which is 400 miles long

i have.

I have also seen reports estimating the deaths. The toll is at 1300 and expected to rise.

For it to rise to 1,000,000 is more than a bit far fetched.

mravaya

bitemybanger wrote: »

I've no bout the death toll will rise significantly but 100,000??.
Japan have one of if not thee best tsunami warning systems, plans of operations and resources on the planet.
Let's try be a little optimistic.

They had no warning!!!!!!!!

Oranage2

I'd say it's a lot more than the 1300 reported in the news but noway is it anywhere near a million -

My estimate by the end of it will be 6000 people. -

AckwelFoley

bitemybanger wrote: »

I've no bout the death toll will rise significantly but 100,000??.
Japan have one of if not thee best tsunami warning systems, plans of operations and resources on the planet.
Let's try be a little optimistic.

no, op is saying 1 million

bitemybanger

bitemybanger wrote: »

I've no bout the death toll will rise significantly but 100,000??.
Japan have one of if not thee best tsunami warning systems, plans of operations and resources on the planet.
Let's try be a little optimistic.

The OP actually said 1,000,000 which is something I'd expect to read in a daily rag tbh.

Ghost Train

they do seem to be more prepared, hopefully not on the same scale as the 2004 tsunamis 230,000 deaths

will be thousands but hopefully not hundreds of thousands

wellboy76

mravaya wrote: »

They had no warning!!!!!!!!

I would say thought when living on the coast, all the world shaking around you would be warning enough

MagicSean

I'm skeptical at this claim

Chuchoter

Japan is not like the Indonesian tsunami. They had warning in advance, people were evacuated before it struck

Humans eh!

mravaya wrote: »

According to info/news I am getting from relatives (my Japanese inlaws) in Japan, at least 10 towns with populations of 70,000 have been washed of the face of the earth, so if you count all the smaller places that have populations between those towns it looks like the death toll is going to be around 1,000,000. Already news is coming out about 100's of bodies being found in smaller towns

I hope that your relatives are all ok OP. Indeed it seems incongruous that the official figures are so low. I am shocked by the destructive power unleashed and I fear that the final toll will be huge once a coherant picture and missing persons are reported. The pictures and video emerging are breathtaking but the Japanese will pull together with civic mindedness and hopefully many lives will be saved also
I hope you are wrong but I fear you may be right.
And we think that our economic troubles are bad.

Also I noted with sadness that The Mods had to put a warning about jokes or insensitive posts on a AH Tsunami thread yesterday.
FFS. speaks volumes.

mravaya

snyper wrote: »

i have.

I have also seen reports estimating the deaths. The toll is at 1300 and expected to rise.

For it to rise to 1,000,000 is more than a bit far fetched.

ou do not understand the population density. Japan is 4/5ths mountains and that means 120,000,000 live along the coast, try to imagine 120,000,000 living in Ireland and then you can imagine how dense the towns are with people

mike65

mravaya wrote: »

According to info/news I am getting from relatives (my Japanese inlaws) in Japan, at least 10 towns with populations of 70,000 have been washed of the face of the earth, so if you count all the smaller places that have populations between those towns it looks like the death toll is going to be around 1,000,000. Already news is coming out about 100's of bodies being found in smaller towns

So the news media and real time satellite observation missed this?

Chuchoter

I don't know how you are getting info from relatives in Japan either. My friends whole family hasn't been able to contact them because phones are down

mravaya

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'd say it's a lot more than the 1300 reported in the news but noway is it anywhere near a million -

My estimate by the end of it will be 6000 people. -

Kobe earthquake hade 6250 deaths NO TSUNAMI OCCURRED THERE< this earth quake is about 8000 time more powerful the the kobe quake

robinph

Thought there was only a couple of minutes warning between the quake and the tsunami at the area closest to the centre. More time for people further away. If you were living somewhere on the coast do you think you could get up a mountain within 10 minutes of an earthquake?

AckwelFoley

mravaya wrote: »

ou do not understand the population density. Japan is 4/5ths mountains and that means 120,000,000 live along the coast, try to imagine 120,000,000 living in Ireland and then you can imagine how dense the towns are with people

the total population of japan is 125 million

There are not 120,000 living in the areas that are in trouble.

df1985

its going to be a lot more but dont think close to a million or hundreds of thousands.

with the 2004 tsunami if i rememeber correctly, the death toll had already risen quickly after the first day, its slowly rising with this.

Oranage2

mravaya wrote: »

Kobe earthquake hade 6250 deaths NO TSUNAMI OCCURRED THERE< this earth quake is about 8000 time more powerful the the kobe quake

15 years ago -

I'm not here to argue how many Japanese people are going to die because it's so many already and if you think about it's terrible sad - but a million people is really a far fetched number

this is arse

mravaya wrote: »

According to info/news I am getting from relatives (my Japanese inlaws) in Japan, at least 10 towns with populations of 70,000 have been washed of the face of the earth, so if you count all the smaller places that have populations between those towns it looks like the death toll is going to be around 1,000,000. Already news is coming out about 100's of bodies being found in smaller towns

certainly 10's of thousands must have been killed. you only need to watch that one video to see moving cars and farm buildings/homes being swept away with no warning for the people and this was just a small area of a few KM

mravaya

Humans eh! wrote: »

I hope that your relatives are all ok OP. Indeed it seems incongruous that the official figures are so low. I am shocked by the destructive power unleashed and I fear that the final toll will be huge once a coherant picture and missing persons are reported. The pictures and video emerging are breathtaking but the Japanese will pull together with civic mindedness and hopefully many lives will be saved also
I hope you are wrong but I fear you may be right.
And we think that our economic troubles are bad.

Also I noted with sadness that The Mods had to put a warning about jokes or insensitive posts on a AH Tsunami thread yesterday.
FFS. speaks volumes.

To be honest I hope I am wrong, but the info I am getting from Japan is bad, really bad. I personally experienced the Kobe quake, and it was 4 or 5 days before the true body count started to come in. My relatives are all fine thank god

mravaya

snyper wrote: »

the total population of japan is 125 million

There are not 120,000 living in the areas that are in trouble.

So if you want to be Pedantic t how many do live in the troubled are

Locust

Didn't they have an early warning system - i thinks a lot of those towns were evacuated and were pretty much empty when it hit.

The thing hit yesterday and Sky News is reporting the death toll at 1300... I'd say most of those didn't get the warning in time or ignored it and stayed behind. I'd be surprised if the toll rises much more dramatically. There is much more damage to property - in whole towns are literally wiped out. It will take decades to get back.

I'd also concerned about the nuclear plants which are under stress and i think one just had an explosion and theres a 20km evacuation around the plants. The fall out from that could effect 1000's.

Fran1985

TBH the pictures emerging from Japan look a lot worse than 2004. Given the dense population of this country it would amaze me if the final total would be under 100,000 people.

RTE site keeps changing, went from 1300 to 1600 to 1000. so maybe i'll be amazed

humberklog

mravaya wrote: »

So if you want to be Pedantic t how many do live in the troubled are

So you want to have a thread arguing over the number of deaths?

In about 4 days time there'll be a pretty good estimate on the total death toll. Surely that's gonna be good enough?

AckwelFoley

i dont know, i dont claim to know, but i dont make exaggerated claims either

http://www.japannet.de/japan/japan3.gif

Thats a map of Japan with the main population centres.

Mr.Boots

This is so sad.
Japan is an amazing country with realy friendly, warm and welcoming people.
I hope the death toll dosnt rise by much....but i fear it will.

Sad day

maki

mravaya wrote: »

Kobe earthquake hade 6250 deaths NO TSUNAMI OCCURRED THERE< this earth quake is about 8000 time more powerful the the kobe quake

If by 8000 you mean 1412.54, then yes.

10^(3/2 (8.9-6.8))

SCIENCE!

Irish_Elect_Eng

While any loss of life is sad and the OPs estimate is devastating.

One think I would point out is that the Japanese media is not as sensational as the rags we have over here. They will not go into guessing the death toll before they have facts. I would be surprised if the final figures were not much higher than what we are hearing now.

Let's all hope that the OP is wrong........

I'm thinking it's going to be very high.. There's no way them towns could have been fully evacuated. Unless people had already left because of all the other smaller earthquakes in the days befrore it.

orourkeda

Five further power stations have been put on alert just to make things that much more difficult.

robinph

orourkeda wrote: »

Five further power stations have been put on alert just to make things that much more difficult.

They were saying yesterday that the US Navy had delivered extra coolant to one of the nuclear plants, probably the one that just blew up. That seems pretty damn quick for them to be supplying anything to anywhere. Do the US Navy just constantly sit off the coast of other countries with nuclear power and a hold full of spare coolant? Boats don't move that quick so even for them to have delivered it within hours of the quake if they had it stored at one of their US bases further down Japan is incredibly swift response.

Or is it just some fresh water that they are talking about when they say "coolant"?

wyndham

robinph wrote: »

They were saying yesterday that the US Navy had delivered extra coolant to one of the nuclear plants, probably the one that just blew up. That seems pretty damn quick for them to be supplying anything to anywhere. Do the US Navy just constantly sit off the coast of other countries with nuclear power and a hold full of spare coolant? Boats don't move that quick so even for them to have delivered it within hours of the quake if they had it stored at one of their US bases further down Japan is incredibly swift response.

Or is it just some fresh water that they are talking about when they say "coolant"?

The US still have a large military presence in Japan:

As of December 2009[update], there are 35,688 U.S. military personnel stationed in Japan, and another 5,500 American civilians employed there by the United States Department of Defense. The United States Seventh Fleet is based in Yokosuka. The 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force (III MEF) is based in Okinawa. 130 USAF fighters are stationed in the Misawa Air Base and Kadena Air Base.

Army: 2,541
Navy: 3,740
Air Force: 12,398
Marines: 17,009
Total: 35,688[2]

Afaik , there are US aircraft carrier(s) permanently stationed off the coast of Japan, given the North Korea situation, so possibly delivered from one of those.

ch750536

You have to remember that the official count is bodies found. It takes a while for those missing to be presumed dead, many buried in mud or washed out to sea.

Its a horrifying thought, not sure about 1m but certainly expecting 100k.

mravaya

Minamisriku in Northern Japan 9500 people UNACCOUNTED FOR, Thats more the half of the population (17,000) of that town just reported on SKYNEWS also 400 bodies found in another town. Now just think of the rest of that coastline 600 kms of it

mravaya

snyper wrote: »

i dont know, i dont claim to know, but i dont make exaggerated claims either

http://www.japannet.de/japan/japan3.gif

Thats a map of Japan with the main population centres.

I myself Having lived in Japan for 20years, means I know just a little bit more then you do about Japan then

robinph

wyndham wrote: »

The US still have a large military presence in Japan:



Afaik , there are US aircraft carrier(s) permanently stationed off the coast of Japan, given the North Korea situation, so possibly delivered from one of those.

Yeah. Just seemed odd that something a nuclear plant would run out of so suddenly, just happened to be available from a US Navy boat within a couple of hours. Or the coolant isn't actually something special at all.

AckwelFoley

mravaya wrote: »

I myself Having lived in Japan for 20years, means I know just a little bit more then you do about Japan then

clearly you know little about the geography if you claim 120 million people live on the west coast.

Look, i have no problem other than your mindless unsubstantiated exaggerating of an already dire situation

mravaya

snyper wrote: »

clearly you know little about the geography if you claim 120 million people live on the west coast.

Look, i have no problem other than your mindless unsubstantiated exaggerating of an already dire situation

The Majority of The Japanese population DO live on the west coast of japan between Sendai and and Osaka

wandatowell

Hope to fcuk you are wrong OP

robinph

robinph wrote: »

Yeah. Just seemed odd that something a nuclear plant would run out of so suddenly, just happened to be available from a US Navy boat within a couple of hours. Or the coolant isn't actually something special at all.

The boats probably have it for an emergency with the nuclear submarines.

mravaya

snyper wrote: »

clearly you know little about the geography if you claim 120 million people live on the west coast.

Look, i have no problem other than your mindless unsubstantiated exaggerating of an already dire situation

And you have not seen the news that more the 10,000 people are missing from one town of 18000 which repesents MORE THEN 50% of just one town MISSING!!!!!!!!!!! now its a 600km coast line so just imagine what the full outcome is going to be

Victor McDade

More than 9,500 people unaccounted for in Minamisanriku, Japan, Kyodo News Agency reports.

sink

robinph wrote: »

Yeah. Just seemed odd that something a nuclear plant would run out of so suddenly, just happened to be available from a US Navy boat within a couple of hours. Or the coolant isn't actually something special at all.

All 10 US aircraft carriers are nuclear powered and so is a majority of their submarine fleet. They would need to keep coolant in stock at all navy bases to service their own fleet.

K-9

mravaya wrote: »

Minamisriku in Northern Japan 9500 people UNACCOUNTED FOR, Thats more the half of the population (17,000) of that town just reported on SKYNEWS also 400 bodies found in another town. Now just think of the rest of that coastline 600 kms of it

ITV just reported that too.

Hopefully that is the worst of it and they've a good idea of the extent and this is such big news because it's the end of it.

I'd hope they'd have a good grasp of the extent by now.

baaaa

snyper wrote: »

clearly you know little about the geography if you claim 120 million people live on the west coast.

This was never claimed,you yourself made this up to support your nonsense.

mravaya

wandatowell wrote: »

Hope to fcuk you are wrong OP

So do I!!!!!!! I am vey sad with this news, but I am just passing on what I hear from other then the news