should a person be able to long term park a car in front of someone elses house?

davoxx

because my stolen red xantia thread keeps getting comments like "well it's wrong" i thought i'd set up this thread for people to rant!!

the question is:

Is it morally/legally/civic-ally/anything else - ally right/okay/wrong to park your vehicle on public road that is not in front of your house, short/long term wise?


state why you think it's wrong/okay/right and refrain from jumping on tangents like "if i parked an unlicensed aeroplane full of zombies, does that make it legal?"

also if you see/know someone breaking/towing a red xantia with or without the activa, please let me know

-Chris-

Probably not illegal but certainly inconsiderate and ill-mannered, especially if the car owner has parking available to them already.

hardCopy

If it's right in front of someone's house I'd say it's bad form (civically wrong) but OK if it's outside a side-garden or something.

AFAIK you have no legal right to reserve a spot outside your house but to take someone else's long term is just being a bad neighbour.

angelfire9

It depends
If I knew someone that needed a place to leave his/her car for awhile while waiting for parts or whatever i'd have no problem if they ASKED me first

BUT
If you dump a car in front of my house for weeks on end without having the courtesy/consideration to ask me if its ok then i'd be getting it towed!

seamus

Provided that the vehicle isn't causing an obstruction, there's nothing legally wrong with parking it on a public road for an extended period of time.

Civically/morally you should make an effort to park it somewhere where it's least likely to cause obstructions or look bad. That is, park it at the end of a cul-de-sac rather than at the side of the road where people have to keep going around it.

From the owner's perspective it makes more sense to park it out of the way, as the longer you leave it in an annoying place, the more likely it is that your neighbours will "accidentally" bang their cars doors off it, or "accidentally" reverse it into it or kick footballs against it.

It's wrong to park an English registered car anywhere in Ireland unless it's on private property
Let's face it you had an English reg yoke parked in a public place, it wasn't taxed here so it's fair play to be lifted in my eyes. Now I haven't read the other thread fully so I don't know if it was robbed or lifted. Either way the car simply should not have been there on English plates.

In general it's not illegal but certainly it is quite inconsiderate, I live on a main road and when somone parks outside the house the roadsweeper can't sweep the road, can be a right ballache in the Autumn as there is a bird sanctuary across the road with loads of trees. The leaves block the drains after a few days if not hoovered up by the road sweeper. Also when there are more than one or two cars in the household it's convenient to park outside your own house.

Fey!

OP; is this parking in front of someones house without moving it for weeks on end, parking Monday to Friday (working week) and leaving at the weekends, or being used daily but generally ending up parked back in the same space each evening?

In the case of the first one, then I'd consider it bad form, as after a couple of weeks it could look like a mound of dirt, and by a couple of months it has flat tyres and makes the area look like a less-than-desirable place to be. Any cars I've seen parked up like that inevitably end up as targets for local vandals, making it look even worse. However, as long as it's taxed, insured, VRT'd, NCT'd, and properly parked, then it isn't illlegal to have left on a public road.

As for the other 2 options then no, I'd have no problem; chances are they're living locally, and it becomes first come first served.

rednik

I have cars parked outside my home every weekday with people working in Raheny village. No problem there but today I have a large delivery coming and I also have a electrician doing work as well. I have parked my car outside to facilitate the delivery and the work as I don't expect the delivery lads to have to carry heavy goods an extra 50 yards or whatever. People parking outside a residence over along period should think before they do so not just the inconvenience but the needs of the resident.

Guy:Incognito

The mitigating circumstances count too. That car was unregistered (here),untaxed and was it insured?

It's very annoying and bad form to have a car ditched outside your house. Especially when someone does it so it's not outside they own house.

corktina

well, as for you having some sort of "rights" over parking outside your house, tell me this....where do your visitors park?

Im sure its annoying but youe only remedy is to move to somewhere without this problem.

davoxx

I just had a peak through the other thread which makes interesting reading,

davoxx wrote: »

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the reg id R531 KHR it was a red xantia (hatchback) activa.

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davoxx wrote: »

yup, but car does not drive, so now way to get vrt on it, i called and was told to do it once it is driving.

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davoxx wrote: »

............... i thought that it was a good neighbour hood, and i was going to fix it this summer.

davoxx wrote: »

.........I was getting hassle from the neighbour of my friend about the car, and they would have known that he was away on holidays when it got lifted.

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davoxx wrote: »

it was there for 6mnths.

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davoxx wrote: »

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so i left it somewhere 'nicer 'until i could get it fixed, vrt'd and on the road. i needed a part that i only got last sat, as they are rare cars.

had i got the part the week before the car would have been vrt'd by now and on the road.

The OP parked an English registered car that was not drivable 6 months ago outside a house in a "nice area" where he himself doesn't live. A few days ago he said he was planning to fix the car up in the Summer, Summer starts in May and goes on until August. After getting some stick he then said he got the part he needed and ig he had that part a week or so ago the car would be VRTd and on the road.

I reckon this thread should be titled "should a person be able to long term park (6 to 9 months) an English registered car on a road where they themselves don't live". That describes what went on here.

EPM

Might be best to keep this to the OP's question rather than mixing in the details of the other thread.

kerash

If it's left there for a period someone may report it to the council as being dumped there

Nissan doctor

Any Irish registered car has to have current motor tax to be on a puplic road, thats regardless of if its driving or parked. So if it has no tax on it for a period of 2 months then the gards can impound it.

mickoneill30

davoxx wrote: »

the question is:

Is it morally/legally/civic-ally/anything else - ally right/okay/wrong to park your vehicle on public road that is not in front of your house, short/long term wise?

In my opinion it's legally OK but not morally OK to leave your vehicle in front of somebody elses house for a long period of time. I'd imagine a lot of people would get annoyed if a car was outside their house for more than a couple of days.

I'd say it fine legally & morally if it's for a short period (i.e. you're visiting somebody in the estate).

EPM

EPM wrote: »

Might be best to keep this to the OP's question rather than mixing in the details of the other thread.

OK, apologies for that

davoxx wrote: »

........the question is:

Is it morally/legally/civic-ally/anything else - ally right/okay/wrong to park your vehicle on public road that is not in front of your house, short/long term wise?

OP, I have a question. Would the "vehicle" be on Irish or UK plates and would it be taxed? This would effect my answer

-Chris-

RoverJames wrote: »

OK, apologies for that



OP, I have a question. Would the "vehicle" be on Irish or UK plates and would it be taxed? This would effect my answer

Why would the plates on the car affect your answer to

Is it morally/legally/civic-ally/anything else - ally right/okay/wrong to park your vehicle on public road that is not in front of your house, short/long term wise?

-Chris-

-Chris- wrote: »

Why would the plates on the car affect your answer to

Because if the car is on English plates and parked longterm outside of my house by an Irish chap living in Ireland who imported the car 6 months ago then I can't see how that is not legally wrong

Surely that's obvious?

I commented earlier in this thread about the issue with the roadsweeper, any yellow reg yoke outside my house won't be staying there longterm.

-Chris-

OK, so you'd object more to an illegally parked car than an inconsiderately parked one?

Guy:Incognito

-Chris- wrote: »

Why would the plates on the car affect your answer to

It affects the legal part. The OP is presumably an Irish resident (he hasnt said anywhere he wasnt and was planning on paying VRT) so unless it was airlifted in , it was driven there and being on a public road requires it to be registered (I'm sure Cinio will be along to say it's parked so technically not "being driven" on a public road) in the country , which then leads to (Irish)tax, which it couldnt have.

It's also possibly not insured and definately not NCT'd.

I cant see how anyone could argue about it morally anf civilly (?) wrong.Dumping a car outside someone elses house on your road like that, nevermind for 6 months is all kinds of wrong imo.

-Chris-

-Chris- wrote: »

OK, so you'd object more to an illegally parked car than an inconsiderately parked one?

Most definitely, folks park outside the house every day, it's one of the closest non disk parking areas to Cork City centre and University College Cork so it's a very rare day without someone parking there by 9am ish and leaving the car there all day until 5 or 6 pm. I don't have an issue with that as no parking disc is required and it's a public road and the road sweeper yoke comes before 9am as far as I know.

However an English registered or untaxed Irish registered car left there for 6 months is an entirely different scenario. If someone was coming along checking it daily I'd ask them to move it, if they didn't I'd tell them it will be moved so.

Marcusm

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Any Irish registered car has to have current motor tax to be on a puplic road, thats regardless of if its driving or parked. So if it has no tax on it for a period of 2 months then the gards can impound it.

A UK registered car must have motor tax paid and displayed at all times unless a SORN - statutory off road notification - has been made. A SORN can only legally be made if the car is in the UK off the public road and available for inspection. As these have not been effected, it's likely that the registered keeper has also committed an offence in the UK (invalidly making a SORN or failing to make a SORN).
On the moral point, I think if the owner lived in the area and wanted to park a car and not move it, it would be more neighbourly to park that car outside your own property and, for any other parking needs, to take a risk on the availability of other parking.

If the owner was not known and the car was abandoned in this manner, I'd be likely to call the authorities after a couple of weeks. Inaction on their part would likely have me plaguing them until sorted out. An untaxed car on a long term basis is, in my opinion, nothing more than refuse.

-Chris-

RoverJames wrote: »

Most definitely, folks park outside the house every day, it's one of the closest non disk parking areas to Cork City centre and University College Cork so it's a very rare day without someone parking there by 9am ish and leaving the car there all day until 5 or 6 pm. I don't have an issue with that as no parking disc is required and it's a public road and the road sweeper yoke comes before 9am as far as I know.

However an English registered or untaxed Irish registered car left there for 6 months is an entirely different scenario. If someone was coming along checking it daily I'd ask them to move it, if they didn't I'd tell them it will be moved so.

If someone parked an Irish registered, fully taxed & insured car outside your house for 6 months, would you be more lenient than if it was UK/NI reg?

Would you not report both cars to someone and let them deal with the legality of it?

cyrusdvirus

In my old house we had neighbours from 2 doors down who always parked outside either our house or our neighbours. They had 3 cars and one was always outside their house. Which is fair enough..... until you factor in that they never used their driveway, which could quite comfortably take 2 of their 3 cars.

IMHO that was pure ignorance. They disrupted the natural flow of parking outside your own house. It got to a stage where my retired father was leaving his car outside the house so i could park in our driveway when i got home from work.

the cars were all taxed and insured etc. But it was still ignorance.

-Chris-

-Chris- wrote: »

If someone parked an Irish registered, fully taxed & insured car outside your house for 6 months, would you be more lenient than if it was UK/NI reg?

Would you not report both cars to someone and let them deal with the legality of it?

I would report the Irish reg one after a week or so as it would be highly unusual for an Irish reg car not known to me to be outside my house for a week. I would reckon it may well be abandoned or possibly there without the owners knowledge. The UK reg one would be reported within a week.

What would you do Chris?

Would you fancy a yellow reg outside your house for 6 months? Would you fancy an Irish reg one there for 6 months?

-Chris-

RoverJames wrote: »

I would report the Irish reg one after a week or so as it would be highly unusual for an Irish reg car not known to me to be outside my house for a week. I would reckon it may well be abandoned or possibly there without the owners knowledge. The UK reg one would be reported within a week.

What would you do Chris?

Would you fancy a yellow reg outside your house for 6 months? Would you fancy an Irish reg one there for 6 months?

In either case I'll park to make it awkward for them after a day or two and I'll call the Gardai after a month.

I've done it before and the Gardai will contact the registered owner and ask them to move it.
Whether it needs towing/fining is their business, not mine. I'll just advise them (and then "harass" them") of the situation.


And don't forget, I think it's...

-Chris- wrote: »

Probably not illegal but certainly inconsiderate and ill-mannered, especially if the car owner has parking available to them already.

I really HATE when people park outside my house when there are other options available to them (and even if there aren't other options, it still really p1sses me off).

redsteveireland

Answer to OPs' original question..
It depends on a few factors.
- is there enough on-street parking for the people that actually live there. I know I'd get annoyed if I came home every evening and I couldn't park relatively close to my house.

- are you causing an inconvenience for someone trying come out of their house, this would get annoying after a while.

- how long is it there, and what condition is it in.
- is it taxed, insured etc.

Someone in my estate has a car parked halfway on the path for the last couple of weeks. His driveway is empty. The car has no tax, insurance, NCT. It is not outside my house but I walk past it everyday. If I was living beside him i'd ask him to move it. If that didn't work next step would be AGS or council.

Henry Ford III

The public roadway in front of a house doesn't belong to the house in any legal sense.

If a fully road legal car parks there 24/7 it's a pain, but it's not against any law.

colm_mcm

If someone parked any car outside my house for 6 months non stop I'd get sick of looking at it and report it. Id do it after a few weeks though.

If I bought a car as a fixer upper, I'd sort somewhere to keep it first. It's not fair on the people in the estate to have a car left there like that.

Henry Ford III

colm_mcm wrote: »

If someone parked any car outside my house for 6 months non stop I'd get sick of looking at it and report it. Id do it after a few weeks though.

If I bought a car as a fixer upper, I'd sort somewhere to keep it first. It's not fair on the people in the estate to have a car left there like that.

I reckon reporting it wouldn't make a lot of difference. The cops or local authority could have a quiet word with the owner, but he could tell them get lost.

There's the difference - you have a bit of respect and undertanding. Folk who park ignorantly clearly don't.

Big Nasty

If the car is not taxed it shouldn't be left on the road - end of!

davoxx

RoverJames wrote: »

Because if the car is on English plates and parked longterm outside of my house by an Irish chap living in Ireland who imported the car 6 months ago then I can't see how that is not legally wrong

Surely that's obvious?

I commented earlier in this thread about the issue with the roadsweeper, any yellow reg yoke outside my house won't be staying there longterm.

so that make stealing it okay?

-Chris-

Have you established that it's been stolen?

Guy:Incognito

davoxx wrote: »

so that make stealing it okay?

Who said stealing it was ok?

Having it removed properly is perfectly ok though.

davoxx

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It affects the legal part. The OP is presumably an Irish resident (he hasnt said anywhere he wasnt and was planning on paying VRT) so unless it was airlifted in , it was driven there and being on a public road requires it to be registered (I'm sure Cinio will be along to say it's parked so technically not "being driven" on a public road) in the country , which then leads to (Irish)tax, which it couldnt have.

It's also possibly not insured and definately not NCT'd.

I cant see how anyone could argue about it morally anf civilly (?) wrong.Dumping a car outside someone elses house on your road like that, nevermind for 6 months is all kinds of wrong imo.

wasn't airlifted, was towed in .. so not being driven.
not dumped - parked. there is a difference.

redsteveireland

davoxx wrote: »

so that make stealing it okay?

Who said that?

davoxx

redsteveireland wrote: »

Who said that?

the user i quoted.

pog it

Can't you just put red cones up in front of your house? Nobody is going to remove them to park their car.

davoxx

RoverJames wrote: »

Most definitely, folks park outside the house every day, it's one of the closest non disk parking areas to Cork City centre and University College Cork so it's a very rare day without someone parking there by 9am ish and leaving the car there all day until 5 or 6 pm. I don't have an issue with that as no parking disc is required and it's a public road and the road sweeper yoke comes before 9am as far as I know.

However an English registered or untaxed Irish registered car left there for 6 months is an entirely different scenario. If someone was coming along checking it daily I'd ask them to move it, if they didn't I'd tell them it will be moved so.

coz you own the road? i don't agree with you here. so if it was taxed you'd be okay? or are you just looking for an excuse?

-Chris-

davoxx wrote: »

wasn't airlifted, was towed in .. so not being driven.
not dumped - parked. there is a difference.

Have you gotten confused about which thread you're posting in?

This thread is about a generic question, not about a specific vehicle or situation.

Guy:Incognito

davoxx wrote: »

the user i quoted.

Not in the bit you quoted he didnt, you might want to have a better look.

davoxx

davoxx wrote: »

so that make stealing it okay?

Did I say that? By parking it there you broke numerous laws. Which isn't ok.

Guy:Incognito

davoxx wrote: »

wasn't airlifted, was towed in .. so not being driven.
not dumped - parked. there is a difference.

Towed or trailered? If towed then someone was steering and controling . Either way, being on a public street without tax etc is against the law.

Is there really a difference? If a car appears outside your garden and is left there for 6 months, does it matter or do you even know if it's parked or dumped.

If your Xantia is sittign in another part of the country now, outside someones house, is it parked or dumped?

davoxx

redsteveireland wrote: »

Answer to OPs' original question..
It depends on a few factors.
- is there enough on-street parking for the people that actually live there. I know I'd get annoyed if I came home every evening and I couldn't park relatively close to my house.

- are you causing an inconvenience for someone trying come out of their house, this would get annoying after a while.

- how long is it there, and what condition is it in.
- is it taxed, insured etc.

Someone in my estate has a car parked halfway on the path for the last couple of weeks. His driveway is empty. The car has no tax, insurance, NCT. It is not outside my house but I walk past it everyday. If I was living beside him i'd ask him to move it. If that didn't work next step would be AGS or council.

there is loads of space, not blocking anyone. does tax and insurance make a difference (other than legality)?

davoxx

davoxx wrote: »

the user i quoted.

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal your car, not in this thread or in your other one

redsteveireland

davoxx wrote: »

the user i quoted.

I think you're mistaken. He used the word 'lifted' did you translate that to stolen?

davoxx

colm_mcm wrote: »

If someone parked any car outside my house for 6 months non stop I'd get sick of looking at it and report it. Id do it after a few weeks though.

If I bought a car as a fixer upper, I'd sort somewhere to keep it first. It's not fair on the people in the estate to have a car left there like that.

so it depends on the state of the car?

Guy:Incognito

I have a Xantia myself that's been unused for over a year becaus I couldnt afford to run a car and a van. It'll be goign back on the road in the next couple of weeks. I live at the top of a cul de sac with space to park about 10 cars outside my own garden. I still didnt park it there though. It's been in my driveway the whole time. It would have been much more convenient to ditch it on the road, but I didnt.

davoxx

davoxx wrote: »

the question is:

Is it morally/legally/civic-ally/anything else - ally right/okay/wrong to park your vehicle on public road that is not in front of your house, short/long term wise?

davoxx wrote: »

there is loads of space, not blocking anyone. does tax and insurance make a difference (other than legality)?

So are we all meant to answer again now ignoring the legality aspect but factoring in if it's taxed or insured?

Personally if the car isn't insured and goes on fire and the house is damaged and I can't claim off the owner as the car is not insured I would be p1ssed off, so any uninsured car outside my house will be reported as soon as I notice it's not insured

davoxx

redsteveireland wrote: »

I think you're mistaken. He used the word 'lifted' did you translate that to stolen?

he does not own said property = stealing?
can't lift something that does not belong to you.

davoxx

-Chris- wrote: »

Have you gotten confused about which thread you're posting in?

This thread is about a generic question, not about a specific vehicle or situation.

i did too many windows open.