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New Top 10 Best Ever List?
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08-03-2011 9:06am#1
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Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »RockPaperShotgun did an interesting list recently
Though it's PC specific there are a few multiplatform games in there but obvioulsy console exclusives will not show up.
Great list there. Also like how it's a list of important games, not necessarily the best.
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im sure nobody will agree with it, but im still right
Fair play to you for trying to come up with a list..even if people don't agree, it takes a load of effort.
However, whoever put Rock n' Roll Racing in that list should be shot
Awful racing game where they just decided last minute to tack on a gimmicky soundtrack when they realized how boring the game was.
Also, you've got Puzzle Bobble down as 'arcade' But then you have Mortal Kombat 2 down as 'snes'.
If you're including arcade hardware, then Mortal Kombat 2 should be arcade and not Snes as obviously the arcade version is far better than any home ports.
Actually you could also say the same about some of your Dreamcast games too like Crazy Taxi.0 -
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »Thing is if you're making a list of 'the best' anything, it's indeed important to focus on what's actually been important in advancing the medium.
Not in my opinion. Something like goldeneye might have been very important to the medium but it's a bit of a dog to play now. It deserve to be written about in how important it was but celebrated as one of the best ever, in my opinion it needs to be a good game to get that accolade.
The dreamcast actually improved on most of it's arcade ports so it's fair to include it but definitely MK2 arcade is better than the SNES port. In my opinion MK2 should be nowhere near that list considering far far better beat'em ups like Garou Mark of the Wolves, MvsC 2, SF3 Third Strike, Samurai Showdown 2 etc. are left off it.
I see Daniels influence in that list Helix with Outcast making it
EDF 2017 is a great game as well but the second in the series Global Defence Force on the PS2 is much better. It is the same type of game with 4 times the weapons, twice the amount of levels, 3 times the amount of different enemies and more bosses and a second playable character with a jetpack and her own weapons that changes how the game is played and makes it even more fun.
Any way I'm nit picking, not a bad list.
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Fair play to you for trying to come up with a list..even if people don't agree, it takes a load of effort.
However, whoever put Rock n' Roll Racing in that list should be shot Awful racing game where they just decided last minute to tack on a gimmicky soundtrack when they realized how boring the game was.
Also, you've got Puzzle Bobble down as 'arcade' But then you have Mortal Kombat 2 down as 'snes'.
If you're including arcade hardware, then Mortal Kombat 2 should be arcade and not Snes as obviously the arcade version is far better than any home ports.
Actually you could also say the same about some of your Dreamcast games too like Crazy Taxi.
format is based on personal experience for format most played. im not gonna put crazy taxi down for arcade when ive never played it in the arcade, for example.
like any list, its personal preference, so rnrr goes in there0 -
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format is based on personal experience for format most played. im not gonna put crazy taxi down for arcade when ive never played it in the arcade, for example.
like any list, its personal preference, so rnrr goes in there
In my defense, you did say 'we're in the process of a top 100 at the moment'.
I thought that 'we're' meant a group of people (ruling out personal preference and being more objective) and not in fact the Queen's 'we' 0 -
In my defense, you did say 'we're in the process of a top 100 at the moment'.
I thought that 'we're' meant a group of people (ruling out personal preference and being more objective) and not in fact the Queen's 'we'
More people rarely means more objectivity, just that the more radical choices get pushed downwards by popular consensus.0 -
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Tends to be the problem with these lists. It's impossible to have people that have played every game imagineable. There's a few games I have played that I would consider some of the greatest of all time but so few people have played them that you never see them on these types of lists. You'll get obscure games totally left out for less deserving popular titles. It's why I prefer lists from single individuals who I respect the opinion of and explain their reasoning or a groupof people that would know a lot about games. It's still not perfect. You'll get american lists with home micro's completely ignored and most lists never give the PC it's due.
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »The level design and mechanics of Bulletstorm or Half-Life 2 are most certainly better than Doom. Does that mean we should ignore Doom?
Have to disagree here. I think Doom is still very relavent. Have you played it lately on the PC because it's still an amazing game with amazing level design. There's also no other game out there like it so it has never been bettered. Except by Doom 2.
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Well I thought it would be pretty obvious Link to the Past would be considered the more enjoyable game. Ocarina wouldn't even make my top ten as much as I love it. I'd take Majoras Mask over it as well.
Anyway anyone that doesn't have Super Metroid in their top ten has lost my respect :P
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I wouldn't say 'it's pretty obvious' at all.
Here's the thing about Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past that I've picked up from talking to people about the two.
Many people who played A Link to the Past when it came out back in 92 absolutely treasure it as one of the best gaming experiences of their life. (I know I do)
People who were too young to have experienced that first hand but maybe got Ocarina of Time for christmas when they were 10, treasures THAT as one of the best gaming experiences of their life.
The thing about the people in the Ocarina camp is they grew up on 3D games, so more than likely can't appreciate ALTTP in the same way that people who were brought up with sprites can.
A Link to the Past would be in my top 5 games. Ocarina of Time wouldn't even be in my top 20.
I guess its all just down to the person really, which is why these lists are stupid like i've said. Ocarina of time not being in your top 20 is silly tho and i dont believe you
I would have played a link to the past when i was 7 or 8 i guess... a couple of years after release (We weren't rich so new releases were christmas time only
) and i loved it, would have completed it a few times right up until n64 was released.
Ocarina of time was something else tho(Would have been 11-12)... probably the game i remember playing the most as a child tbh. There was so much to do in the game, i spent a long time trying to catch a loach
I wouldnt say i dont appricate ALTTP tho, My first gaming memories would be the orginal mario bros for the nintendo and the legend of zelda... even tho they were released just before i was born.
What age were you when you played both ? Because like you said that is probably the biggest factor when it comes to these sort of things.. like with music and anything else... the games that we have the fondest memories of are those we played as a child.
I rate super mario world + mario 2 (Yeah yeah.. i loved it) over mario 64 (Which i absolutely loved aswel).0 -
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Played a small bit of link to the past when it came out however it wasn't until the GBA version that I owned it so could play it and beat it. I played Ocarina before it and beat it in my friends house when it came out. So I played LttP after Ocarina and much preferred it. Ocarina really is amazing but I've played better games including A link to the Past. Prehaps I've just played more games than you but there's plenty of games I'd put ahead of it despite thinking it is one of the best games ever made and a monumental success.
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Hmm better than Ocarina of Time would be Link to the Past, Super Metroid, F-Zero GX, Bubble Bobble, Puyo Puyo, Mother 3, Earthbound, Gunstar Heroes, Silent Hill 2, Shadow of the Colossus, Gradius V Radiant Silvergun, Street Fighter 3 3rd Strike, Half-Life 2, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Mario Bros 3, R-type, just off the top of my head.
Why I think Ocarina isn't as good as LttP is that Ocarina is a little rough in places. There some parts that don't really work that well although most of the time it works great. It's also a remake of LttP is 3D really. I think that LttP is perfectly designed and one of the few games along with Super Metroid that I can't find any fault in. It does everything Ocarina of time does and does it better in an amazing 2D engine rather than a kind of rough 3D engine. And when I say rough 3D engine I don't mean graphics and asthetics, I mean it's a bit primitive. If you do want to bring graphcis into it then LttP is going to win out there. It's one of the best looking 2D games ever and much better looking than the primitive 3D of Ocarina.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »Hmm better than Ocarina of Time would be Link to the Past, Super Metroid, F-Zero GX, Bubble Bobble, Puyo Puyo, Mother 3, Earthbound, Gunstar Heroes, Silent Hill 2, Shadow of the Colossus, Gradius V Radiant Silvergun, Street Fighter 3 3rd Strike, Half-Life 2, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Mario Bros 3, R-type, just off the top of my head.
Why I think Ocarina isn't as good as LttP is that Ocarina is a little rough in places. There some parts that don't really work that well although most of the time it works great. It's also a remake of LttP is 3D really. I think that LttP is perfectly designed and one of the few games along with Super Metroid that I can't find any fault in. It does everything Ocarina of time does and does it better in an amazing 2D engine rather than a kind of rough 3D engine. And when I say rough 3D engine I don't mean graphics and asthetics, I mean it's a bit primitive. If you do want to bring graphcis into it then LttP is going to win out there. It's one of the best looking 2D games ever and much better looking than the primitive 3D of Ocarina.
Out of all those games you've listed i would only have HL2 ahead of OOT, and not because of the actual game but because of the mods that came with it and for that reason HL1 would be ahead of HL2 aswel. For me OOT is in my top 5, LttP is probably in my top 10 or thereabouts. The rest of those games i wouldn't have in my top 20(Yes i've played most of them)... with the exception of SOTC.
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I guess its all just down to the person really, which is why these lists are stupid like i've said. Ocarina of time not being in your top 20 is silly tho and i dont believe you
It's not and I'll tell you why. When it comes to what people think are the best games ever, there are a lot of unfair factors. Things like media saturation. Obviously lots of people are going to go with big Nintendo titles for example, as Nintendo are a huge company, have huge media saturation and really push their IPs.
There are also things like what other games were out at the same time..maybe there was a lull in that period of gaming for that genre, one game came out and everyone thought it was great. But looking back it's only because it was the only title of that nature so people were somewhat starved.
Were people blinded by the new visuals? When OOT came out, visually it was stunning. And a lot of people saw that and thought, jesus christ! best game ever! purely based on visuals.
It's a great game, there's no denying it. But I think the rose tinted spectacles are coming out for a lot of people who think it's the best game ever made, as it's far from it. I'd agree with Retr0 that most of the games in that list he has mentioned blow it out of the water.I would have played a link to the past when i was 7 or 8 i guess... a couple of years after release (We weren't rich so new releases were christmas time only) and i loved it, would have completed it a few times right up until n64 was released.
I played it first when I was 8 in Christmas 92. I was never the same person again my life was soon to be totally overtaken by playing and collecting videogames. 0 -
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It's not and I'll tell you why. When it comes to what people think are the best games ever, there are a lot of unfair factors. Things like media saturation. Obviously lots of people are going to go with big Nintendo titles for example, as Nintendo are a huge company, have huge media saturation and really push their IPs.
There are also things like what other games were out at the same time..maybe there was a lull in that period of gaming for that genre, one game came out and everyone thought it was great. But looking back it's only because it was the only title of that nature so people were somewhat starved.
Were people blinded by the new visuals? When OOT came out, visually it was stunning. And a lot of people saw that and thought, jesus christ! best game ever! purely based on visuals.
It's a great game, there's no denying it. But I think the rose tinted spectacles are coming out for a lot of people who think it's the best game ever made, as it's far from it. I'd agree with Retr0 that most of the games in that list he has mentioned blow it out of the water.
I played it first when I was 8 in Christmas 92. I was never the same person again my life was soon to be totally overtaken by playing and collecting videogames.
They hardly blow it out of the water lol..... Im not saying those games arent his/your favorite... im saying they're not mine. You're only a year older than me so i doubt you've played many games that i haven't. I KNOW how much i loved OOT, its the one console game that i've probably spent well over 100 hours playing and the one that i can remember almost every inch of the map. Rose tinted or not... it is my favorite and therefore IN MY OPINION (not yours) a top 5 game. Also a LttP is one of my favorites aswel.. im a huge zelda fan, i'd probably have 5 games in my top 20.
I'll have a go with MY top 10
1. HL(1+2) - Although i loved the single player its the MP aspects that make this my #1
2. WoW - I dont care what anyone says, its probably the best made game of all time.. graphics wise its still holding its own after 6 years.
3. OOT - Childhood favorite
4. Brokensword series
5. Super Mario World
6. Deus Ex
7. Age of empires 2 - My introduction to online gaming
8. Super Mario Kart
9. Return to Castle Wolfenstien
10. Diablo II
outside the top 5, theres probably 10-15 other games that could go in the next 5 spots tbh.0 -
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They hardly blow it out of the water lol.....
Well, if we're doing the whole 'In my opinion' thing, they do..as it's my opinion
Not saying it's not great, it is, but meh, personally, I'd rather something a bit more interesting. It just the same old Zelda formula, this time in 3D. It's already been done perfectly before in ALTTP.You're only a year older than me so i doubt you've played many games that i haven't.
I'm not doubting that you've played lots of games. I just know I've played lots in the last 20 years (I have somewhere between 600-1000 in my games room..I've lost count!) which puts me in a pretty good position to say 'hey, you're missing X game from your list' when I see these 'BEST GAME EVAR' things popping up.I KNOW how much i loved OOT, its the one console game that i've probably spent well over 100 hours playing and the one that i can remember almost every inch of the map. Rose tinted or not... it is my favorite and therefore IN MY OPINION (not yours) a top 5 game. Also a LttP is one of my favorites aswel.. im a huge zelda fan, i'd probably have 5 games in my top 20.
When it comes to 'in my opinion' lists, you can have anything you want. I'm not disputing that. Hell, someone could have Tomb Raider in the number 1 spot because of all the good fappage memories from when they were 16. Whatever floats their boat...it is their opinion and taste afterall.
I was coming at OOT from a 'BEST GAME EVAR, IN THE WORLD, NOT PERSONAL OPINION, BUT FACT!' view which you see on a lot of gaming sites. It's topped a lot of lists. Which I think is just extremely misguided.I'll have a go with MY top 10
1. HL(1+2) - Although i loved the single player its the MP aspects that make this my #1
2. WoW - I dont care what anyone says, its probably the best made game of all time.. graphics wise its still holding its own after 6 years.
3. OOT - Childhood favorite
4. Brokensword series
5. Super Mario World
6. Deus Ex
7. Age of empires 2 - My introduction to online gaming
8. Super Mario Kart
9. Return to Castle Wolfenstien
10. Diablo II
outside the top 5, theres probably 10-15 other games that could go in the next 5 spots tbh.
You do have some great games in there. The original HL would be my favourite FPS of all time. As far as platformers go, I'd be stuck between Super Mario World and Super Mario 3.0 -
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