which of these are true , anyone ?

dollyk

ok so i want to lose some weight
and so far i have read.
1. eat less calories and your body will burn fat
2. dont cut too many calories as you body will think its starving and store everything..

Both are true
If you're eating too many then cut some calories, just don't starve yourself

EileenG

Eat less calories.

Stavation mode exists, but the clue is in the name. Starvation. If you are eating so little that you are constantly hungry, constantly cold, can't sleep for hunger, can't concentrate or exercise, then you are starving, and your body will do its best to conserve fat stories by reducing your metabolism as much as possible.

You do not go into starvation mode because you drop your calories a couple of hundred below what some calculator reckons is right. Even if you are in starvation mode, you will continue to lose weight, just not as fast as you would expect from the calories being eaten.

According to some of the internet myths about starvation mode, if you are not putting away at least 2000 calories a day, you go into reverse and put on weight. By that logic, it's impossible to starve to death.

However, most people have a sweet spot, a number of calories which enables them to lose weight without feeling constantly hungry and without reducing their energy.

Compak

EileenG wrote: »

Eat less calories.

Stavation mode exists, but the clue is in the name. Starvation. If you are eating so little that you are constantly hungry, constantly cold, can't sleep for hunger, can't concentrate or exercise, then you are starving, and your body will do its best to conserve fat stories by reducing your metabolism as much as possible.

You do not go into starvation mode because you drop your calories a couple of hundred below what some calculator reckons is right. Even if you are in starvation mode, you will continue to lose weight, just not as fast as you would expect from the calories being eaten.

According to some of the internet myths about starvation mode, if you are not putting away at least 2000 calories a day, you go into reverse and put on weight. By that logic, it's impossible to starve to death.

However, most people have a sweet spot, a number of calories which enables them to lose weight without feeling constantly hungry and without reducing their energy.

The problem are the crash diets where shakes replace meals and total daily intake can be like 800kcals or so. When used in the extremely obese they plateau before acheiving a fully desirable weight. Increase the calories (ie live normally again eating proper meals their weight ballooned)

I know one patient when tested their thyroid levels were greatly supressed and their reverse T3 raised.

EileenG

Compak wrote: »

The problem are the crash diets where shakes replace meals and total daily intake can be like 800kcals or so. When used in the extremely obese they plateau before acheiving a fully desirable weight. Increase the calories (ie live normally again eating proper meals their weight ballooned)

I know one patient when tested their thyroid levels were greatly supressed and their reverse T3 raised.

With any diet, you can't return to your old way of eating and not put pack a ton of weight. If you've lost it rapidly though any form of low calorie diet, you'll put it back very quickly. Particularly if you do it by eating replacement meals, so real food is an incentive to eat more.

This doesn't mean that reducing your calories will automatically cause starvation mode.

Compak

EileenG wrote: »

With any diet, you can't return to your old way of eating and not put pack a ton of weight. If you've lost it rapidly though any form of low calorie diet, you'll put it back very quickly. Particularly if you do it by eating replacement meals, so real food is an incentive to eat more.

This doesn't mean that reducing your calories will automatically cause starvation mode.

This is not people just returning to normal. This is carefully induced weightloss in a clinical setting monitored by medical consultants.

The point was they plateaued after a while at 800kcals, their was no continual weight loss after a period of months, despite them being still overweight.They did not just jump back to normal any introduction of solids with an increase of kcals produced weight gain.

This was a medical setting with patients of impaired mobility and thus they could not really attack the calorie burn from the other end through exercise. the conclusion was that such an approach should only be implicated for individuals at serious health risk because of their weight.
The results while fantastic initially led to too great a biochemical upset.

EileenG

Compak wrote: »

The point was they plateaued after a while at 800kcals, their was no continual weight loss after a period of months, despite them being still overweight.They did not just jump back to normal any introduction of solids with an increase of kcals produced weight gain.

This was a medical setting with patients of impaired mobility and thus they could not really attack the calorie burn from the other end through exercise. the conclusion was that such an approach should only be implicated for individuals at serious health risk because of their weight.
The results while fantastic initially led to too great a biochemical upset.

Got a link to that study?

Compak

EileenG wrote: »

Got a link to that study?

Sorry it was not a study, just a UK based clinic I got asked for advice on.

spaceylou

EileenG wrote: »

Eat less calories.

Stavation mode exists, but the clue is in the name. Starvation. If you are eating so little that you are constantly hungry, constantly cold, can't sleep for hunger, can't concentrate or exercise, then you are starving, and your body will do its best to conserve fat stories by reducing your metabolism as much as possible

Sorry to go off topic a wee bit but Eileen is being cold all the time a sign that you are possibly not getting enough calories? I run, and have increased the intensity of my training in the past month and I am trying to eat healthily. Ideally to loose a few kilo but more because food is fuel etc and I want good fuel in my body but I've found lately that I am cold all the time and I get really cold really quickly after training! I am not hungry but could it still be a case that I need to reassess what I am eating? Thanks

Compak

spaceylou wrote: »

Sorry to go off topic a wee bit but Eileen is being cold all the time a sign that you are possibly not getting enough calories? I run, and have increased the intensity of my training in the past month and I am trying to eat healthily. Ideally to loose a few kilo but more because food is fuel etc and I want good fuel in my body but I've found lately that I am cold all the time and I get really cold really quickly after training! I am not hungry but could it still be a case that I need to reassess what I am eating? Thanks

It's a 'possible' sign your thyroid is out, ever have blood levels measured?

If you were in real starvation mode your thyroid activity would be supressed,

How many cals do you intake?

EileenG

spaceylou wrote: »

Sorry to go off topic a wee bit but Eileen is being cold all the time a sign that you are possibly not getting enough calories? I run, and have increased the intensity of my training in the past month and I am trying to eat healthily. Ideally to loose a few kilo but more because food is fuel etc and I want good fuel in my body but I've found lately that I am cold all the time and I get really cold really quickly after training! I am not hungry but could it still be a case that I need to reassess what I am eating? Thanks

Yes, I reckon that being cold all the time is a sign that something is not right. It could be simple lack of calories, or an infection, or a hormone imbalance.

The obvious start is to increase calories and see if that improves things. If now, then talk to an doctor.

Of course, apply some common sense. If it's cold weather, and you live in a badly heated house, then you can expect to feel cold for the obvious reasons.

spaceylou

Haha - yeah am not complaining of cold and walking around in a string top and shorts!

Will look at calorie intake and if nothing improves, say it my doc when I there next - thanks for reply.