is thare any serious attempts being made to get weed legalized?

funkt

any logical people out thare actualy making any moves on the matter??
i know thare was a protest in cork a few years ago anyting since?

funkt

this thread is not for people having a battle over if it should or shouldnt be legal the educated logical people know the answer to that alredy its to see what is being done

Chaotic_Forces

So basically "we won't argue because I'm right and nobody else that disgarees with me is allowed have a say"?

BBDBB

well Im glad thats sorted

saves us having a great long thread discussing it

A.Partridge

Of course moves are being made.

Sure didn't they just elect Luke 'Ming' Flanagan there last week !

Mike 1972

AH answer: Not in Ireland. Anyone inclined towards that campaigning stuff is too stoned.
Serious answer: It will happen eventually but were talking 30-50 years

funkt

lol thare are plenty threads going around in circles on the should it shouldnt it topic this one is 2 see if the stoners plan on staging a revolution any time soon:D

Chaotic_Forces

funkt wrote: »

lol thare are plenty threads going around in circles on the should it shouldnt it topic this one is 2 see if the stoners plan on staging a revolution any time soon:D

So explain why "educated logical people" would know it's to be made legal. I'm an illogical idiot so I don't know, can you explain since you're one of these "educated logical people"?:rolleyes:

Rented Mule

Spelling and Grammar Nazis unite !!

EL_Loco

There's not much being done on it because there are more pressing matters on the agenda. There now, question answered. lock 'er up there mods.

Very likely I reckon - Luke "Ming" Flanagan is very open about getting it legalized and he was successfully elected in the last election.

El Horseboxo

I got my medicinal marijuana card in California on my last visit. I miss just being able to roll up to the dispensery and almost cream myself at the amount of strains they got. Something like that here would be great and reckon it would work.

citizen_p

Ithink you need to ask Luke "Ming" Flannagan...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_'Ming'_Flanagan

CDfm

In California

Arnie defends marijuana law

Wednesday, November 10, 2010
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER has claimed no one cares if people smoke a joint.


The Hollywood actor turned governor of California signed a law five weeks ago that made possession of up to an ounce of marijuana the equivalent of a traffic ticket. It carries a penalty of no more than a $100 (€70) fine and no arrest or criminal record.

He defended the law in a TV interview, telling host Jay Leno on NBC television’s Tonight Show it was a good idea.

According to a transcript of the interview, Schwarzenegger said: "No one cares if you smoke a joint or not."

Marajuana Referendum

Voters rejected a further initiative that would have allowed adults and older to possess and grow small amounts of marijuana.

This appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Wednesday, November 10, 2010

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/world/kfmhojsnmhid/rss2/#ixzz1FebKEMPS

So the question should be does Enda Kenny care if you smoke a joint or not.

Would Eamonn Gilmores heart bleed if you partook some weed.

UsernameInUse

CDfm wrote: »

In California

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/world/kfmhojsnmhid/rss2/#ixzz1FebKEMPS

So the question should be does Enda Kenny care if you smoke a joint or not.

Would Eamonn Gilmores heart bleed if you partook some weed.

Enda Kenny would **** himself if he knew he wasn't instilling his values on someone else...the same with Gilmore.

Arnie is a Libertarian - none of our politicians know the meaning of the word..

funkt

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So explain why "educated logical people" would know it's to be made legal. I'm an illogical idiot so I don't know, can you explain since you're one of these "educated logical people"?:rolleyes:

"Educated logical people" is a bit vague im sure thare are some very intelligent people who would not agree with the legalization of weed,but in my opinion it is impossible to see any logical reason why it should be illegal.why dont you throw one out thare?

Chaotic_Forces

funkt wrote: »

"Educated logical people" is a bit vague im sure thare are some very intelligent people who would not agree with the legalization of weed,but in my opinion it is impossible to see any logical reason why it should be illegal.why dont you throw one out thare?

I'm not logical or intelligent. I thought you could enlighten me since you obviously know why it should be legal.

biko

funkt wrote: »

any logical people out thare actualy making any moves on the matter??
i know thare was a protest in cork a few years ago anyting since?

Somehow I think you're much more informed on this than me...

CDfm

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Enda Kenny would **** himself if he knew he wasn't instilling his values on someone else...the same with Gilmore.

Arnie is a Libertarian - none of our politicians know the meaning of the word..

So OK then ,

Given the current compostion of the Dail


Fine Gael - 76


Labour - 37


Fianna Fail - 20


Others - 19


Sinn Fein - 14


What are the policies of the parties on marijuana use ?

Do any politicians (other than Ming) support it in an individual capacity ?

UsernameInUse

CDfm wrote: »

What are the policies of the parties on marijuana use ?

Do any politicians (other than Ming) support it in an individual capacity ?

Every single party leader was very clear on the issue in the debates before the GE.

None of them want weed legalised. It's only the smaller un-registered parties that are in favour of it.

Mike 1972

CDfm wrote: »

What are the policies of the parties on marijuana use ?

There was a motion proposed at the Labour party conference a couple of years back calling for legalisation but it was (ahem) kicked into the long grass.

CDfm

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Every single party leader was very clear on the issue in the debates before the GE.

None of them want weed legalised. It's only the smaller un-registered parties that are in favour of it.

Do any of them or the Gardai want it decriminalised.

Is there any other body . say the Union of Students, trade Union or organised social or political group ( the Irish Countrywomans Association) in Ireland in favour of it.

Are any public figures other than Ming in favour of it.

UsernameInUse

Mike 1972 wrote: »

There was a motion proposed at the Labour party conference a couple of years back calling for legalisation but it was (ahem) kicked into the long grass.

Labour have a history of appealing to the emotions before a GE.

Remember a couple of weeks ago with the whole abortion and gay marriage talks? That will be kicked into the long grass as well. What we need are politicians with ideologies that they don't deviate from. These are the only ones you can trust. You might not like what they stand for, but they believe what they're talking about.

My name is URL

Sinn Fein of all people, are pressing for a more evidence based approach to drugs legislation. - http://transform-drugs.blogspot.com/2011/01/sinn-fein-initiates-reform-in-ireland.html

Make of it what you will.

opinion guy

I think its blindingly obvious it should be legalised at this point.

I must point out I don't smoke it myself, but if you legalised it you would take cash out of the hands of criminals and create a new industry (i.e. jobs and a tax take. Hell it would even bring in tourists). the health arguments are to be honest, moot, since people are going to smoke it anyway and we already have legal alcohol and legal tobacco. Its a complete no-brainer.

Mike 1972

CDfm wrote: »

Are any public figures other than Ming in favour of it.

Im sure there are quite a few

Whether they actually have the balls to say so is a different matter though

funkt

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I'm not logical or intelligent. I thought you could enlighten me since you obviously know why it should be legal.

lol in thats the case its fun go try it ul love it:rolleyes:

bodhrandude

It will be interesting to see what Ming says tonight on the Vincent Browne show, no doubt Browne will bring the topic up as they were discussing the Daily Star headline yesterday.

UsernameInUse

CDfm wrote: »

Do any of them or the Gardai want it decriminalised.

Is there any other body . say the Union of Students, trade Union or organised social or political group ( the Irish Countrywomans Association) in Ireland in favour of it.

Are any public figures other than Ming in favour of it.

Well, the trade unions wouldn't be in favour of legalisation because it would hurt their people - you have to understand that people do things in their own self interest.

And a group who solely campaign for it will be rubbished by the majority as "junkies". What you'll have to do is join some Libertarian or Liberal organisation who are loyal to an ideology. With this will come legalisation, but it will bring about other things you may not agree with. You see, thats the thing - the only groups in favour of it are not pin-pointing that specific issue, they're for it because it would violate their ideology of individual freedom.

RHRN

CDfm wrote: »

Do any of them or the Gardai want it decriminalised.

Is there any other body . say the Union of Students, trade Union or organised social or political group ( the Irish Countrywomans Association) in Ireland in favour of it.

Are any public figures other than Ming in favour of it.

There was a thread in politics a while back, a guy put up a message from the socialist party, said they favoured decriminalisation. Said that prohibition doesnt work, etc.

funkt

Can the people not do something?


Poor awl ming cant do it alone and thares little chance any other policitian would have the balls to support it

Mike 1972

bodhrandude wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what Ming says tonight on the Vincent Browne show, no doubt Browne will bring the topic up as they were discussing the Daily Star headline yesterday.

Funny that you should mention the Daily Star (newspaper for people who cant read) it reminded me of the storm in a tea cup back in the 1990's when Niall Stokes (then IRTC/BCI chairperson) wrote an article in Hot Press advocating the legalisation of heroin.

Despite the fact that this was hardly news (Stokes and Hot Press had been coming out with this stuff for YEARS) the media went ballistic HAS STOKES GONE MAD headlines splashed across the tabloids (and the broadsheet coverage was little better) Outraged FF backbenchers demanding that he resign from what they laughably branded as a "quasi judicial position" (i.e. head of the body in charge of handing out broadcasting licences) Needless to say he told them all to go and :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: themselves with a ten foot pole*.

Open to correction on this but I believe not a single article appeared ANYWHERE in the media nor was there a statement from ANY public fiqure which actually attempted to address the points he raised in an intelligent manner and offer reasonable arguments by way of contradicting them.

You know like the way public debate is supposed to work.


* Possibly paraphrasing (then again possibly not)

Chaotic_Forces

funkt wrote: »

lol in thats the case its fun go try it ul love it:rolleyes:

So you cannot explain to me why it should be legal with an intelligent and logical argument beyond "ul love it"?

Tahuti

http://www.thejournal.ie/td-ming-says-he-grows-his-own-cannabis-and-doesnt-plan-on-stopping-2011-3/

I, for one, welcome our cannabis cultivating overlords.




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funkt

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So you cannot explain to me why it should be legal with an intelligent and logical argument beyond "ul love it"?

Like i said in my 1st post that is not what this thread is about thare are plenty threads on that aspect of the subject

"this thread is not for people having a battle over if it should or shouldnt be legal"

The purpose of this thread was to see if thare where any groups making a real attempt to hilight the subject.

fairwell dude xx:D

Sergeant

I've always thought that the thread title "Cannabis should be legalized in Ireland To pull Our country out of ression" over in Politics was one of the strongest arguments for why it shouldn't be legalised.

FlutterinBantam

Sergeant wrote: »

I've always thought that the thread title "Cannabis should be legalized in Ireland To pull Our country out of ression" over in Politics was one of the strongest arguments for why it shouldn't be legalised.

Focking spot on there Saa'rnt, all you get is these stoners ,without jobs, leeching on public funds, telling John Q Taxpayer where his tax eurons should go.

Go fook yourselves is my advice, smoke all the weed you like, end up haggard and wasted like a dried out corpse, but don't expect me to subsidise you you pack of wasters.

Chaotic_Forces

funkt wrote: »

Like i said in my 1st post that is not what this thread is about thare are plenty threads on that aspect of the subject

"this thread is not for people having a battle over if it should or shouldnt be legal"

The purpose of this thread was to see if thare where any groups making a real attempt to hilight the subject.

fairwell dude xx:D

Uh... I didn't try to argue about it. I know it's illegal for a very good reason. You on the other hand think I would be stupid and illogical to not know why it should be legal. So I merely asked for a reason as to why "logical and intelligent" people know why it should be legal. Couldn't come up with one apart from "u'l love it" so hats off to you, you just proved you have no idea what you're on about.

humberklog

No, nothing doing in this country. The politicians are too scared that it'll accidentally our youth of their abitility to punctuate.
I don't know where they get these mad stats from at all, at all.

funkt

Sergeant wrote: »

I've always thought that the thread title "Cannabis should be legalized in Ireland To pull Our country out of ression" over in Politics was one of the strongest arguments for why it shouldn't be legalised.

I rekon the biggest issue would be organized crime.It may be a magical little plant capable of many things from making clothes to being smoked but i wouldnt rest the hopes of an ecconimic recovery on its shoulders nor would i say it wouldnt help when you look at the amount of uses it has

Tahuti

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Focking spot on there Saa'rnt, all you get is these stoners ,without jobs, leeching on public funds, telling John Q Taxpayer where his tax eurons should go.

Most 'stoners' I know are John Q Taxpayers.

Go fook yourselves is my advice, smoke all the weed you like, end up haggard and wasted like a dried out corpse, but don't expect me to subsidise you you pack of wasters.

Been watching 'Reefer Madness', have you?

bmarley

I believe that every bit of bog land in Roscommon will be covered in cannabis soon if Ming Luke Flanagan has anything to do with it, could only be good for our economy and health.

whydoibother?

I think the public mood is changing in favour of making it legal. Though I personally couldn't give a damn whether it gets legalized or not, I was with a very diverse group of people today and the topic happened to come up. They all seemed in favour of it. What struck me in particular was how successful and together one individual was, who shall we say, spends a lot of time in Amsterdam.

FlutterinBantam

bmarley wrote: »

I believe that every bit of bog land in Roscommon will be covered in cannabis soon if Ming Luke Flanagan has anything to do with it, could only be good for our economy and health.

heh heh heh, auld Ming will ditch the stoners sharpish, now that he has used the stupid goons to get the nice bung in DE.

Ming will cruise around in nice transport, while the stoners will wallow in their own self induced squalor ,unaware, I say, unaware.. that they have been taken for a long productive ride.;)

Uuuuuhm.......

120_Minutes

I could talk at length about this, but i'll try to summerise:

first a caveat: I am a stoner. I love getting high. i dont drink too much. BUT when my weed runs out i dont go rushing around to buy more. I smoke when i can afford it.

Now, as mentioned there are many open minded people, both smokers and non, who would like to see it legal and there are factors that both help and hinder this cause (both here and abroad)

On the plus side, the stigma attached to weed is slowly being eroded. as our parents and grandparents generation (i'm in my mid 30's) dies off the demonisation of weed does to, almost everyone i know has at least tried it once.

On the minus side, TOO MANY PEOPLE STAND TO LOSE if its made legal, for example:

The government. but why you say? surely they can tax it etc? yes. but making it legal means the government must admit it was wrong, and was wrong for decades. No government wants to do that, because if they're wrong on weed wont the public start asking about other things they're "wrong" about?

Dealers, naturally they dont want to lose revenue.

Pharmacutical companies: why buy a synthetic drug from them when you can grow your own for cheaper?

Paper/Fuel/Clothing etc etc etc.... hemp is one of the most versitile plants in existence. Literally thousands of products can be made from it. Companies who make existing products from different sources (paper from wood etc) are quite content to see weed remain illegal.

We are fast approaching the day when legalising it will be the right thing to do....but when have big multinationals ever done the right thing if it costs them money?

My stance? I'm for legalisation and regulation for personal use up to a certain amounts, and for over 18's (or maybe 21's) only. anything more than that then you're entering a business and you should seek permits from the government.

but maybe i'm too logical?

now....where are my rizla...

Tahuti

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

heh heh heh, auld Ming will ditch the stoners sharpish, now that he has used the stupid goons to get the nice bung in DE.

Ming will cruise around in nice transport, while the stoners will wallow in their own self induced squalor ,unaware, I say, unaware.. that they have been taken for a long productive ride.;)

Uuuuuhm.......

Wait a minute.

How did a stoner like Ming manage to drag himself out of his self-induced squalor and buck the stereotype by getting elected to office?

I don't get it.

FlutterinBantam

Tahuti wrote: »

Wait a minute.

How did a stoner like Ming manage to drag himself out of his self-induced squalor and buck the stereotype by getting elected to office?

Took years buddy, the Ming you see today is a totally different lad from the buffoon of old.

talking with Fine Gael!! the lad is.

Make no mistake buddy , that lad knows what side his bread is buttered on.

Hadn't you noticed;)

Into turf now

average citizen

My name is URL wrote: »

Sinn Fein of all people, are pressing for a more evidence based approach to drugs legislation. - http://transform-drugs.blogspot.com/2011/01/sinn-fein-initiates-reform-in-ireland.html

Make of it what you will.

Begone with your "science" and "evidence". While scientists may say their "evidence" points towards a "hypocrisy" in blanket prohibition, it's not exactly particularly kind to cannabis. Weed is not a "harmless" drug.

I mean look at this "scientist":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npeUYNv8gto

What does he know of public health? He can't even keep himself in shape...

Luckily it seems stoners would rather focus on the one not-particularly-safe drug they have an obsession with than construct a philosophically valid argument against the war on drugs in it's enitrety. It's like they enjoy shooting themselves in the foot (maybe they're too stoned to notice )! Either way, as long as they do the good fellows who run the papers will continue effortlessly defeating them by pointing towards the schizophrenia link.

And op, perhaps go easy on the "wacko tobacco" and you'd make less grammatical errors in your titles .

120_Minutes

Please dont acknowledge Flutt in this thread, i consider him a weed thread troll. has opinion is just that, and vastly ill informed.

Mike 1972

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

all you get is these stoners ,without jobs, leeching on public funds, .

Have you any other ridiculous stereotypes youd like to share with us ?

FlutterinBantam

120_Minutes wrote: »

Please dont acknowledge Flutt in this thread, i consider him a weed thread troll. has opinion is just that, and vastly ill informed.

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Have you any other ridiculous stereotypes youd like to share with us ?

heh heh ... terrific.

Deal with it lads, I don't think weed should be legalised.


Now I'm a troll.:D