Cracking down on Library Security again

The Cool · 04-03-2011 11:54am #1

So there are posters around the library saying that from Monday onwards we'll need our student cards to get into the library, and today there have been announcements about it. This is to ensure only NUIG students may access the library.
I suppose it's a good thing in the last four weeks of the teaching semester, they should really have this in the reading room too though, in the run up to the Leaving Cert.

Croppy Bhoy · 04-03-2011 3:56pm

The Cool wrote: »

So there are posters around the library saying that from Monday onwards we'll need our student cards to get into the library, and today there have been announcements about it. This is to ensure only NUIG students may access the library.
I suppose it's a good thing in the last four weeks of the teaching semester, they should really have this in the reading room too though, in the run up to the Leaving Cert.

Is there an actual problem of non-students going in and reading all our books?

meeka · 04-03-2011 4:14pm

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Is there an actual problem of non-students going in and reading all our books?

More like ensuring there's enough space for NUIG students. There isn't enough space in there as it is, coming up to exams, without GMIT/LC/other students hanging around...

Squeeonline · 04-03-2011 4:45pm

TBH there'd be loads of space for everyone, leaving certs and GMIT included if they kicked out anyone who was on facebook or wasting time.

But that would be incredibly hypocritical of me! I wonder if they're just gonna have that one dude at the entrance as always or if they'll install something that you have to swipe in and out.

Croppy Bhoy · 04-03-2011 4:48pm

meeka wrote: »

More like ensuring there's enough space for NUIG students. There isn't enough space in there as it is, coming up to exams, without GMIT/LC/other students hanging around...

Yes but is it actually an issue? Is there actually a large amount of 16 year olds sitting in the NUIG Library?

I'm asking because I think I've set foot there about twice. Never really got the point of the reading room and stuff tbh.

RolandIRL · 04-03-2011 5:54pm

it's not a problem during the year, but last year, there were loads of LC and JC students in the reading room around easter, making it more difficult to get a seat. if you weren't there before 9, you got no seat.

what pisses me off most though is the people who leave their stuff down at the start of the day, then feck off somewhere else for a few hours. my brother was in the reading room a lot last year and moved people's stuff around (all there was just a book or a coat) so someone else could get a spot. loada people thanked him for it

QueenOfLeon · 04-03-2011 8:49pm

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Yes but is it actually an issue? Is there actually a large amount of 16 year olds sitting in the NUIG Library?

I'm asking because I think I've set foot there about twice. Never really got the point of the reading room and stuff tbh.

During the schools' midterm when there was no supervised study in some of the schools there were a lot of LC students in the reading room during the day, apparently it gets bad during May aswel.

Croppy Bhoy · 04-03-2011 9:51pm

Why don't the library staff ask to see college ID from the people suspected of being studying the LC? Seems fairer than making everyone show it, which would mean anyone who left their ID at home that day (€30 to replace a lost one is reason enough for this) can't use the library.

Squeeonline · 05-03-2011 3:53pm

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Why don't the library staff ask to see college ID from the people suspected of being studying the LC? Seems fairer than making everyone show it, which would mean anyone who left their ID at home that day (€30 to replace a lost one is reason enough for this) can't use the library.

How on earth is that fairer? Yes we are going to make it fairer by targeting only some people???

Anyway you have to have your card for your exams, and if you cant remember to carry it with you when using the library or forget it every day, are you really bright enough to be in university?

Croppy Bhoy · 05-03-2011 4:35pm

Squeeonline wrote: »

How on earth is that fairer? Yes we are going to make it fairer by targeting only some people???

.... the people who shouldn't be there.

Anyway you have to have your card for your exams, and if you cant remember to carry it with you when using the library or forget it every day, are you really bright enough to be in university?

Aye right cause absent mindedness and genius have never gone hand in hand. I'd give you examples but I can't remember...

Squeeonline · 05-03-2011 6:18pm

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

.... the people who shouldn't be there.

Aye right cause absent mindedness and genius have never gone hand in hand. I'd give you examples but I can't remember...

No the point is that instead of "profiling people" (i.e. you look young/childish), it is FAR more fair to screen everyone.

Also there are other universities in this country where cards are mandatory to get in and out of the libraries like Trinity and they get on just fine.

KittyeeTrix · 05-03-2011 8:17pm

Squeeonline wrote: »

No the point is that instead of "profiling people" (i.e. you look young/childish), it is FAR more fair to screen everyone.

Also there are other universities in this country where cards are mandatory to get in and out of the libraries like Trinity and they get on just fine.

Whilst it may be fairer to screen everyone, it's gonna be a huge pain in the a$$ in another 3 weeks or so when the place is packed and every single person has to show ID at the door on the way in.:(
It was bad enough mid term week when they were at it I suppose in an attempt to ensure no young wans were in there

Squeeonline · 05-03-2011 10:33pm

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

Whilst it may be fairer to screen everyone, it's gonna be a huge pain in the a$$ in another 3 weeks or so when the place is packed and every single person has to show ID at the door on the way in.:(
It was bad enough mid term week when they were at it I suppose in an attempt to ensure no young wans were in there

So your choice is a short queue verses no seats at all. I have to say that I've only ever seen a couple of LCs in there and that's not the problem. People dropping stuff there all day and leaving, on top of the people who do no work are the problems!

Croppy Bhoy · 06-03-2011 12:25am

Squeeonline wrote: »

I have to say that I've only ever seen a couple of LCs in there and that's not the problem.!

There you go then. Why inconvenience everybody over such a small 'problem'?

KittyeeTrix · 06-03-2011 12:55am

Won't actually bother me in a few weeks cos as soon as lectures are over I'll be staying at home to study. (mature student who owns own house and kids will still be in school, thank god).
Would do my head in if they really do start checking all the id's.…

Croppy Bhoy · 06-03-2011 1:02am

I don't really get why the library and RR gets so packed anyway, apart from the fact that some eejits see it as a social gathering.

I suppose not everyone has a room with internet at home... still though, if I wanted somewhere in college to sit down and do some study the aforementioned places would be a last resort..

TheCosmicFrog · 06-03-2011 6:14am

1. Look for tables with Less Stress More Success books.
2. ???
3. Profit! A seat!

filmbuffboy · 06-03-2011 6:41pm

tbh I dont know why they just dont have some sort of scanner thing at the door. that way only nui students would get in and people would quickly learn to have their cards ready at the door, thereby reducing a queue forming. Is this change to always ask for ID a permanent one or just something they are bringing in again as the exams loom on the horizon?

Squeeonline · 06-03-2011 8:30pm

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

There you go then. Why inconvenience everybody over such a small 'problem'?

Its to make it look like they're doing something. Honestly, LCs arent the problem, it's time wasters on fb and those who leave stuff there all day. The library need to do more about /that/.

KittyeeTrix · 07-03-2011 9:43am

Squeeonline wrote: »

Its to make it look like they're doing something. Honestly, LCs arent the problem, it's time wasters on fb and those who leave stuff there all day. The library need to do more about /that/.

I have to agree with you there Squeeonline. It's ridiculous the amount of people who go in and just dump their stuff and then head off for the day. I leave my stuff with a note saying that I'm going for lunch but would take my stuff away when going to lectures.

Croppy Bhoy · 07-03-2011 2:57pm

I'd never even have thought it safe to leave my stuff in the library all day. The problem here is students are feeling too safe. If the SU are worth their f***ing salt they would be organising systematic beat-downs and sliding unattended laptops out windows etc. Broken society.

filmbuffboy · 07-03-2011 4:06pm

So yeah, I was in the library this morning & needed my ID to get in. There was a long enough queue to get in.

I went to a lecture at 3, as of five minutes ago the lad at the door checking IDs was chatting away to someone and didnt bother checking a rake of peoples IDS as they entered.

If there isnt any consistency in how they manage their supposed 'security' policies then WHY BOTHER :rolleyes:

meeka · 07-03-2011 4:29pm

filmbuffboy wrote: »

If there isnt any consistency in how they manage their supposed 'security' policies then WHY BOTHER :rolleyes:

This is what I don't like about the current system; they rarely check, but the odd time they will, and are quite strict and a bit rude and interrogating if you don't have it... I wouldn't mind a swipe system so you knew for sure that you always needed your card to get in. It is easy enough to forget to bring your card with you if you're just running down to the shop for a minute, when you hardly ever need it...

Caliden · 07-03-2011 4:52pm

I have to agree that the problem lies with students heading off for 2 hours at a time while all their stuff is at a seat.

I dont think I've seen the 30 minute rule ever being enforced.

filmbuffboy · 07-03-2011 5:01pm

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

I'd never even have thought it safe to leave my stuff in the library all day. The problem here is students are feeling too safe. If the SU are worth their f***ing salt they would be organising systematic beat-downs and sliding unattended laptops out windows etc. Broken society.

Couldnt agree with you more. Ive been sitting here at my desk for the last hour and this dizzy ****h has arrived back to "her" seat and is currently on facebook. It maddens me no end when others go roaming around the library trying to find a seat with a plug. I dont see the problem with going on facebook for a few mins like as a break between study, but leaving for an hour and then spacing out on facebook when you return isnt on!

BUt at the end of the day the library staff dont give a ****, they just put on the appearance of doing something about it once in a while. If they really were concerned there would be a policing of people leaving what time they left their seats at, which there isnt.

In the time Ive written this message the dizzy so & so sitting beside me has had enough of facebook and has gone off outside with her mates nattering .......

Bummer1234 · 07-03-2011 6:31pm

Been in the library since 2pm and iv been here the whole time,Lad next to me came in at 2.30pm,Left laptop down,sat at it for 10 mins and fecks off and still not back and its now 6.30pm :mad: :eek:

filmbuffboy · 07-03-2011 6:51pm

Bummer1234 wrote: »

Been in the library since 2pm and iv been here the whole time,Lad next to me came in at 2.30pm,Left laptop down,sat at it for 10 mins and fecks off and still not back and its now 6.30pm :mad: :eek:

If i had the balls Id take the laptop and hide it somewhere. That might learn em nxt time! lol

Squeeonline · 07-03-2011 8:26pm

Except for all the cameras around. I'll be in the library tomorrow but it would be better worth my time finding an empty classroom somewhere around campus. I know quite a few that I keep to myself and I know when most of them are empty. Some have classes only in the morning and others sporadically in the evening. Once it hits about 7, it's usually not hard to get a library seat.

filmbuffboy · 07-03-2011 8:53pm

Thank god for the short stay zone. itd be perfect if they had plugs there!! but its better than nothing! I left the library at 7 and yer wan who had left her laptop beside me still hadnt came back. :rolleyes:

TheCosmicFrog · 08-03-2011 2:42am

Just spoke with Emmet by email. They've discussed a swipe-card system with the library, similar to Trinity's system. They plan to have it installed for September 2012. So in other words, not next year, but hopefully the year after.

Croppy Bhoy · 08-03-2011 2:18pm

TheCosmicFrog wrote: »

Just spoke with Emmet by email. They've discussed a swipe-card system with the library, similar to Trinity's system. They plan to have it installed for September 2012. So in other words, not next year, but hopefully the year after.

Throw another €200 on the student levy for it, to encourage people who don't use the library to do so!

filmbuffboy · 08-03-2011 2:37pm

Croppy Bhoy wrote: »

Throw another €200 on the student levy for it, to encourage people who don't use the library to do so!

if every student in the college actually used the library we would have major traffic and congestion problems, not to mention a complete lack of study spaces! lol

Squeeonline · 09-03-2011 12:25pm

filmbuffboy wrote: »

if every student in the college actually used the library we would have major traffic and congestion problems, not to mention a complete lack of study spaces! lol

if 10% of people in college were in the library we'd have a huge problem. Havent counted the seats but I doubt it's 1700.

Cracking down on Library Security again

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