Mazda 6 Model Differences?

tossknobber

Hi all

Im planning on buying a new car and am looking at a Mazda 6 2008
Ive found two very similar cars but their model names are slightly different.
One is
Mazda 6 2.0 D TS2 New Shape
the other is
Mazda 6 2.0 D TS 140 New Shape

I cant see any difference between them, does anyone know the difference between the TS2 and the TS 140?

Just want to be sure Im getting the best value for money!!!

Thanks a mill

Dave

Padraig Mor

tossknobber wrote: »

Hi all

Im planning on buying a new car and am looking at a Mazda 6 2008
Ive found two very similar cars but their model names are slightly different.
One is
Mazda 6 2.0 D TS2 New Shape
the other is
Mazda 6 2.0 D TS 140 New Shape

I cant see any difference between them, does anyone know the difference between the TS2 and the TS 140?

Just want to be sure Im getting the best value for money!!!

Thanks a mill

Dave

TS2 is a higher spec than TS - from memory, climate control instead of manual aircon, nicer alloyws etc. Both are UK spec levels though.

Zubeneschamali

tossknobber wrote: »

Mazda 6 2008

Mazda 6 2.0 D TS2 New Shape

Did Mazda sort out the self-exploding diesel engines before 2008?

Honestjohn says the 2.2 D uses a different DPF with a closed loop, but I think the 2.0 D will still dump fuel into the sump if it feels like it.

tossknobber

Padraig Mor wrote: »

TS2 is a higher spec than TS - from memory, climate control instead of manual aircon, nicer alloyws etc. Both are UK spec levels though.

Thanks!!! I thought there might be something like that alright.
Im planning on importing from the uk which is why I was looking at these specs.

tossknobber

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Did Mazda sort out the self-exploding diesel engines before 2008?

I certainly hope so!!! :eek::):)

Stevie Dakota

From what I have heard I would steer well clear of the 2.0 diesels, haven't heard anything bad yet about the 2.2 post 2008.

Tea 1000

That problem was blown out of porpotion on this forum anyway. Seems to be OK in new model. 2.2 is a better engine anyway though.

Zubeneschamali

Tea 1000 wrote: »

That problem was blown out of porpotion on this forum anyway.

The DPF dumps diesel into the sump! On purpose!

How can you blow that out of proportion?

Tea 1000

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The DPF dumps diesel into the sump! On purpose!

How can you blow that out of proportion?

It doesn't do it on purpose... that would imply that that's what it's supposed to do or intends to do.
It's blown out of proportion because of everyone on here saying basically that there is no Mazda diesel ever in existance because they all self destructed before they even left the factory, all 8 billion of them.
However, there are plenty of 02 and up Mazda 6 diesels with well over 100k miles on them out there. I had one, for 3 years, and no diesel ever went into the sump on purpose.
My point is many cars have problems that affects a percentage of cars, but the way you and others talk on boards would indicate that 100% of diesel Mazda's will fail. In reality, I'd say around 5% is more likely. Still Unacceptable, but lets keep some perspective here.

Zubeneschamali

Tea 1000 wrote: »

It doesn't do it on purpose... that would imply that that's what it's supposed to do or intends to do.

It does that because of its design. You may think it's not supposed to, but the way it's designed means it will happen without leaks, faulty parts, wear or anything else going wrong:

when the particulate filter is clogged, the ecu tells the injectors to open during the exhaust cycle. Assuming that the exhaust is hot enough, then the particulates should burn off. If the exhaust is too cool, then the diesel wallows (technical term) around the cylinders, and drains into the sump. So if you do not do enough journeys that heat up the exhaust (hence the 15 mins @ 2000rpm) the diesel level builds up.

Too much diesel in the sump, and boom, bye-bye engine.

langdang

I originally interpreted this as some specific design flaw in Mazda's diesel. But sounds like it should be an issue for all DPF equipped engines that regenerate this way?
Could they not use another route that would get diesel (or some other fluid) to the DPF to raise the temp? Rather than letting lovely penetrant diesel wallowing in your cylinders? Or at least tell you DEFINITELY DO NOT interrupt the regen process?

Zubeneschamali

langdang wrote: »

I originally interpreted this as some specific design flaw in Mazda's diesel. But sounds like it should be an issue for all DPF equipped engines that regenerate this way?

Most use a "closed loop" regeneration, including Mazda's own 2.2

Tea 1000

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It does that because of its design. You may think it's not supposed to, but the way it's designed means it will happen without leaks, faulty parts, wear or anything else going wrong:

when the particulate filter is clogged, the ecu tells the injectors to open during the exhaust cycle. Assuming that the exhaust is hot enough, then the particulates should burn off. If the exhaust is too cool, then the diesel wallows (technical term) around the cylinders, and drains into the sump. So if you do not do enough journeys that heat up the exhaust (hence the 15 mins @ 2000rpm) the diesel level builds up.

Too much diesel in the sump, and boom, bye-bye engine.

You missed my meaning. Mazda didn't sit down and think "I know, lets design an engine that will self-destruct! That'd be gas altogether!". If they did that, that would be "on purpose". They didn't. It's something that may happen in error in a given set of circumstances. Not always happens because it was designed to happen.

Zubeneschamali

Tea 1000 wrote: »

It's something that may happen in error in a given set of circumstances. Not always happens because it was designed to happen.

It may not be designed intending that this happens, but it was designed in a way that means this happens without any parts failing.

No chips malfunctioning, hoses coming loose or swirl-flaps falling off. If you drive in a particular way, the engine dumps diesel in the sump. If you keep driving that way, the engine blows up and needs replacing.

And the replacement engine will be just the same.

BlackEdelweiss

Hi,
Can anybody tell me the hierarchy of 2003/04 mazda 6 models, i.e Touring, Comfort etc. I'm looking to buy one but caant find any info on specs.
Cheers.

bazz26

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

Hi,
Can anybody tell me the hierarchy of 2003/04 mazda 6 models, i.e Touring, Comfort etc. I'm looking to buy one but caant find any info on specs.
Cheers.

Comfort - base model which has electric windows x 4, electric heated exterior mirrors, remote central locking, cd player, manual air conditioning, ABS brakes.

Touring - Same as Comfort plus climate controlled air conditioning, multi-function steering wheel, cruise control, front & rear centre arm rest.

Sport Touring - Same as Touring plus 16" alloy wheels, leather steering wheel, electric tilt/slide sunroof, electronic traction control.

Rodin

The Mazda 6 did get a face lift in 2010 with new front fogs, a slightly new nose, and new alloy wheel options

they also dropped the diesel's power by a whopping FOUR ps!

BlackEdelweiss

bazz26 wrote: »

Comfort - base model which has electric windows x 4, electric heated exterior mirrors, remote central locking, cd player, manual air conditioning, ABS brakes.

Touring - Same as Comfort plus climate controlled air conditioning, multi-function steering wheel, cruise control, front & rear centre arm rest.

Sport Touring - Same as Touring plus 16" alloy wheels, leather steering wheel, electric tilt/slide sunroof, electronic traction control.

Cheers, thats what I was looking for.

Cmar-Ireland

If you were buying a secondhand mazda6, how would you know if the car had the diesel in sump problem?

BlackEdelweiss

Are there any differences between the 2003 and 2004 models? I have a choice between either of those models, both low mileage(2004 is lower) but €1000 in price difference, is there anything to differentiate them?

Nonoperational

As far as I can see if you keep an eye on the dipstick you can see if the oil is above the full marker and avoid an exploding engine! Or maybe it's possible to remove the DPF and map it accordingly.

BlackEdelweiss

bazz26 wrote: »

Comfort - base model which has electric windows x 4, electric heated exterior mirrors, remote central locking, cd player, manual air conditioning, ABS brakes.

Touring - Same as Comfort plus climate controlled air conditioning, multi-function steering wheel, cruise control, front & rear centre arm rest.

Sport Touring - Same as Touring plus 16" alloy wheels, leather steering wheel, electric tilt/slide sunroof, electronic traction control.

What does the Touring Exec model have compared to the Touring?
Where do you find this information or do you just know it anyway?

Padraig Mor

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

What does the Touring Exec model have compared to the Touring?
Where do you find this information or do you just know it anyway?

The Exec models only came towards the very end of the old shape - 07/08.

BlackEdelweiss

The person I was talking to said her car was a 2003 touring executive model, did they do them back then as well?

Topper Harley

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

The person I was talking to said her car was a 2003 touring executive model, did they do them back then as well?

I don't think there was a Touring Executive model in 2003. Just the Comfort, Touring and Sports Touring and I know from my time shopping around for one that the Sports Touring model was rare enough.

It sounds like the seller might just be exaggerating the model name to make it sound a little bit more impressive.

bazz26

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

The person I was talking to said her car was a 2003 touring executive model, did they do them back then as well?

The seller is incorrect, there was no Touring Executive. Comfort, Touring and Sport Touring from 2002 to 2005. Executive model only appeared in 2006 and replaced both the Touring model.

BlackEdelweiss

Damn that, I like the car but if she was exaggerating or lying about that I'm sure she could be telling a few fibs about other stuff as well.

bazz26

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

Damn that, I like the car but if she was exaggerating or lying about that I'm sure she could be telling a few fibs about other stuff as well.

She may genuinely be confused, some people don't even know the model of the car they drive. "It's a Mazda something."

BlackEdelweiss

That could bee the case, she might have been sold it as an exec model and dident question it, are there any external or internal differences that I could look for between the sport touring and touring models. Her description includes traction control and alloys as were given in the spec for the Sport Touring.

bazz26

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

That could bee the case, she might have been sold it as an exec model and dident question it, are there any external or internal differences that I could look for between the sport touring and touring models. Her description includes traction control and alloys as were given in the spec for the Sport Touring.

I listed the differences in another post earlier on. Sport Touring has an electric sunroof and 16" alloy wheels.

Sport Touring:


Comfort/Touring:

BlackEdelweiss

The story continues!!! I got the reg no and checked it and it comes up as a TS but I asked her if it had a sunroof and she said no. Did the TS come without a sunroof?
I dident question her about the Exec thing yet but she told me that the models are the comfort, the Touring and the Exec so I presume she is just mistaken about the actual name.
Edit: I have found a few spec sheets and i cant find one that says a sunroof is standard, maybe they are an optional extra! I have seen 1 or 2 for sale with sunroofs.

bazz26

TS is a UK spec so the car is an import. Thinks TS spec is similar to Touring here afaik.

Tea 1000

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

The story continues!!! I got the reg no and checked it and it comes up as a TS but I asked her if it had a sunroof and she said no. Did the TS come without a sunroof?
I dident question her about the Exec thing yet but she told me that the models are the comfort, the Touring and the Exec so I presume she is just mistaken about the actual name.
Edit: I have found a few spec sheets and i cant find one that says a sunroof is standard, maybe they are an optional extra! I have seen 1 or 2 for sale with sunroofs.

If you want to know the difference between TS and TS2, the most obvious one is that both the TS2 spec and the Sport spec in the UK came with Bose stereo and Xenon headlights. If you see the Bose logo on all the speakers, then it's either TS2 or Sport. If it doesn't have that, it's TS or the other base spec.

BlackEdelweiss

I was checking the reg no's of a few other Mazda6's to see what model they came up as and they all come up as TS, including the comfort and Sport Touring models. The only difference is for diesels and they come up as TS TD.
If it had a sunroof I would say it was a Sport Touring as it has everything else listed in the spec given before, but it dosent. It has more than just a normal Touring model such as alloy's and traction control. Maybe the english TS model has a spec somewhere between the Irish Touring and Sport Touring and that is what this is.
I have since seen another 2003 Mazda 6 for sale as an Executive model???
EDIT: I just saw a UK reg TS and it has a small TS logo on the boot, the car I am looking at does not have this.

BlackEdelweiss

Is there anywhere I can see the various colours the 2003 mazda 6 came in? Are there 2 different blue's, a darker navy blue and a lighter metallic blue or is it just the different lighting conditions that make them appear different. I really like the darker colour but cant tell from the pictures if the car I am looking about buying is actually that colour from the photos. I saw a list on an american site and that only gave metallic blue as the colour, no mention of navy blue.

evoline

Tea 1000 wrote: »

That problem was blown out of porpotion on this forum anyway. Seems to be OK in new model. 2.2 is a better engine anyway though.

New Mazda6 2.2 d use the same flawed DPF design. The new mada still has X mark on a dipstick and its manual warns about high oil levels. I wonder why HonestJohn website says they use "closed loop" DPF? I asked dealer and they reluctantly confirmed that new Mazda6 uses same PDF as old one the only difference is the filter itself. I wanted to buy one (even gave them deposit) but now holding back after all these DPF related Mazda6 stories. I would rather loose deposit then a big money for a new engine sooner than later.

BlackEdelweiss

I got a 2003 Mazda 6, 1.8 petrol last month and it is just drinking petrol. I get 75 miles for 20 litres which is about 4.4 gallons, this works out at about 17mpg. Is this normal for this type of car? I switched from a 1.6 focus but did not expect to get such a drop in mileage. It is mostly town driving I am doing.

Bobo78

For 20 litres of petrol you should be getting around 100 miles or about depending on how you drive it.
It might just need a full service.
Does the car lacks any power especially at speeds over 60 miles?

MetzgerMeister

Main things to do here would be to check/replace the following:

> Mass airflow sensor

> Spark plugs

> HT Leads

I know that in the RX8, upon start-up, the engine would run very lean. I don't know if this is true for all Mazdas of that year but the above are good places to start I would think!

Padraig Mor

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

I got a 2003 Mazda 6, 1.8 petrol last month and it is just drinking petrol. I get 75 miles for 20 litres which is about 4.4 gallons, this works out at about 17mpg. Is this normal for this type of car? I switched from a 1.6 focus but did not expect to get such a drop in mileage. It is mostly town driving I am doing.

Definitely not normal unless you're just sitting in traffic. I got 35mpg from mine in mixed traffic.

BlackEdelweiss

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

I got a 2003 Mazda 6, 1.8 petrol last month and it is just drinking petrol. I get 75 miles for 20 litres which is about 4.4 gallons, this works out at about 17mpg. Is this normal for this type of car? I switched from a 1.6 focus but did not expect to get such a drop in mileage. It is mostly town driving I am doing.

What did the Focus do on 20 litres with the same driving?

Jonny303

The diesel in the sump is not a problem! I'm sick to death of hearing this. It is ment to do this, and when maintained properly (oil changes every 20k for normal driving, with the CORRECT c1 oil) this is not an issue. DPF issues when they first came out were mainly down to software/injector issues. Engine failure was nothing to do with the dpfs, more so to do with oil pump.

On mazda 6 petrol, bulletproof car UNLESS wrong oil used in servicing. If the correct oil is used (specific to Mazda/Ford - its a special mineral blend) you will not have issues with burning oil in thr future. If the wrong stuff is used, then more than likely you will

stevplum

Jonny303 wrote: »

The diesel in the sump is not a problem! I'm sick to death of hearing this. It is ment to do this, and when maintained properly (oil changes every 20k for normal driving, with the CORRECT c1 oil) this is not an issue. DPF issues when they first came out were mainly down to software/injector issues. Engine failure was nothing to do with the dpfs, more so to do with oil pump.

On mazda 6 petrol, bulletproof car UNLESS wrong oil used in servicing. If the correct oil is used (specific to Mazda/Ford - its a special mineral blend) you will not have issues with burning oil in thr future. If the wrong stuff is used, then more than likely you will

hi jonny303 im in the market at the moment for a car either lookin at a mondeo titanium a civic gt model or a mazda 6 ts2 model either 08 r 09(wat ever i get the best value in) but if i was to go mazda wat engine would you recommend.I understand what people are saying bout the diesel if the exhuast isnt hot enough often enough that this can be harmful for the car but does this happen to all deisel cars with particular filters?.I jus sold a 07 deisel passat n i was told that the 2.0 tdi was the exact same

colm_mcm

stevplum wrote: »

hi jonny303 im in the market at the moment for a car either lookin at a mondeo titanium a civic gt model or a mazda 6 ts2 model either 08 r 09(wat ever i get the best value in) but if i was to go mazda wat engine would you recommend.I understand what people are saying bout the diesel if the exhuast isnt hot enough often enough that this can be harmful for the car but does this happen to all deisel cars with particular filters?.I jus sold a 07 deisel passat n i was told that the 2.0 tdi was the exact same

Please don't dig up an old thread, start a new one by all means