Timewasters and Complete timewasters !!

shawnee

It always intrigues me when I see this repeatdly mentioned in ads. Readvertized due to Timewaster or worse still Complete Timewaster. Now as I see it when you advertize someone rings you , comes to look , either gives a deposit or buys and otherwise the car is still for sale. Is someone taking a test drive and refusing to buy or offering a lower price a timewaster. Definition please :(

Eric Cartman

timewaster :

somebody who agrees a price on a car, comes back to get it and only has some of the money and tries to haggle then.

somebody who agrees to take the car , says theyll be out to get it and then takes 2 weeks and no reply

somebody who agrees to take the car after seeing it , then calls you up every day for a week with more and more questions or keeps trying to haggle over the phone

qz

Timewaster: someone who wastes time.

Complete timewaster: someone who completely wastes time.

shawnee

Eric Cartman wrote: »

timewaster :

somebody who agrees a price on a car, comes back to get it and only has some of the money and tries to haggle then.

somebody who agrees to take the car , says theyll be out to get it and then takes 2 weeks and no reply

somebody who agrees to take the car after seeing it , then calls you up every day for a week with more and more questions or keeps trying to haggle over

the phone

Surely the answer to above is ask for a decent deposit and give the customer a couple of days to return with full price , if not the deposit is gone and the car is still for sale...:o

Eric Cartman

shawnee wrote: »

Surely the answer to above is ask for a decent deposit and give the customer a couple of days to return with full price , if not the deposit is gone and the car is still for sale...:o

i wouldnt give a deposit to a private seller, dont know anybody who would

Senna

If your stupid enough to hold a car for someone without a deposit, then you deserve to get your time wasted (unless their travelling a long distance and ask not to sell it till they arrive in 4/5 hours, which is fair enough).
The adverts with "no time wasters" are usually over prised and the seller probably had people offering a more realistic price. They view this as time wasting.

mondeo

Re advertised due to timewasters on an advert always gives me the impression that others thought it was a junker so I avoid ads with these comments. It may be a genuine statement but why take the risk and waste your own time?

I'll tell you what annoys me in adverts, it does not come up to often but some people say "This car is in new condition" "FACT". Fact? I bet it's not FACT!

Anan1

Eric Cartman wrote: »

i wouldnt give a deposit to a private seller, dont know anybody who would

I do it every time I buy a car. It doesn't have to be much, but I wouldn't expect a seller to hold a car without a deposit.

andyseadog

a timewaster is a strange phenomenon that occurs only in and around foolhardy sellers, clever people don't get affected by timewaster syndrome.

if im selling anything, i want my asking price (or as close as possible), and the item is not declared as sold, or being held for anybody under any circumstance or excuse until there is cash in my back pocket.

anybody who takes down an advert because an 'interested' party claims they will be back to take the car are setting themselves up for hardship.

anybody with the sense they were born with knows an item isin't sold until someone has given them the money for it.

anybody who has ever let themselves fall foul of a timewaster is a ****ing twit. you have to be ruthless when selling and not take any nonsense from prospective buyers.

Any serious party coming to view a car with intent to purchase will at the very least bring a small deposit. even if its only 20/ 50 euro, at least then you know the person is genuine, nobody is going to give you 20 quid if they don't intend returning for the car. otherwise timewasting would be an expensive past time.

be polite, be kind, answer questions, offer a test drive, do your best to sell, but its not sold until money is exchanged. and victims of timewasters are either too eager or stupid.

whippet

my history in selling as a career thought me two valuable lessons:

- Something is only worth way someone is willing to pay
- Nothing is sold until you have the money or a purchase order.

I had someone look at my car earlier in the week, did a comprehenisve check, test drive .. etc.

He wanted the car, we agreed a price, I came down a bit, he came up a bit .. usual haggling. He was going off to arrange payment for later that night

I didn't take the advert down even though the buyer requested, I explained until payment was made it was still up for sale.

He arrived over that night with payment, short of about 1500 quid off what we agreed. He thought this was a proper negotiating tactic .. and I would buckle on seeing the cash.

I told him price was agreed and that was it. He left mumbling about me being a timewaster.

Lunchtime the following day he called back to say he would pay the agreed price .. but have heard nothing since .... now that is a time waster !!!!!!

But the whole time the ad has been up and I have had a couple of enquiries in the meantime.

shamwari

Two tales on this from opposite perspectives on time wasting:

1) I was flogging an old Corolla once that was clean, tidy and tested. Punter A arrived out and drove the car around 15miles, gave it an indepth exam, and proclaimed himself "interested". He said he wanted his mechanic to come out and look at it, and asked me to "hold the car". I told him "first come, first served mate, sorry." He arrived back later with his "mechanic", who also drove it, took it apart, puffed on a fag, and nodded that he too could find nothing wrong. The Punter then wanted his missus to look at it and again I said fine, but if its sold, it's sold. He arrived out later with missus and extended family in three cars....:eek: She looked around the car, looked inside it, and then got back into the car she came in. Punter then said he'd call me later..:rolleyes: He did and offered me way below asking price and I politely declined. Not long after, Punter B came out, drove the car, and offered within €50 of asking price. The car was sold! An hour later, Punter A came back in person offering more, but I had the great pleasure of looking him in the eye and telling him the car was sold and he should have bought it earlier. The names he called me were choice.......:D

2) Tale two concerns what sounded like a respectable lady offering a Mondeo TD for sale down in Roscommon. I wanted a diesel runabout and this car, from a price and description perspective, was the right car. Indeed, the lady said that car was in the family for four years and insisted it was "mint". A near three hour drive to Roscommon and we were confronted with a sight that was truly dreadful. The Mondeo was in bits. Dents, dings, scrapes, a front bumper that looked like a shotgun was taken to it, a clutch release bearing that sounded like a banshee, and a drivers seat that had split seams and was stuffed with straw. The seller became irate when I said that the car wasn't mint and accused me of wasting HER time! I mean, come on, I drove half way across the country to look at this appalling crock of sh*te on the pretence it was mint. I wasn't expecting a brand new car, but her desription was totally innacurate and misleading. Who's time was really wasted? As I left, she asked me would I reconsider if she dropped the price....:rolleyes:

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

Just on this topic, where do most of you sellers stand on deposits? If someone left 200 with you and agreed the price on the car then changed their mind do they loose their 200?

CarMuppet

You place the ad on donedeal.ie or similar.

Literally 10mins later the phone rings...

"Hiya, would ya take €(askingPrice - 40%) for the car?".

5 mins later, another caller with a similar accent.

"Hiya, would ya take €(askingPrice - 30%) for the car?".

Wait one day.......

then the genuine calls start.

and, there are guys out there would like the car you're selling, have absolutely no intention of buying it for whatever reason, but just ring for a chat anyway.

shawnee

andyseadog wrote: »

a timewaster is a strange phenomenon that occurs only in and around foolhardy sellers, clever people don't get affected by timewaster syndrome.

if im selling anything, i want my asking price (or as close as possible), and the item is not declared as sold, or being held for anybody under any circumstance or excuse until there is cash in my back pocket.

anybody who takes down an advert because an 'interested' party claims they will be back to take the car are setting themselves up for hardship.

anybody with the sense they were born with knows an item isin't sold until someone has given them the money for it.

anybody who has ever let themselves fall foul of a timewaster is a ****ing twit. you have to be ruthless when selling and not take any nonsense from prospective buyers.

Any serious party coming to view a car with intent to purchase will at the very least bring a small deposit. even if its only 20/ 50 euro, at least then you know the person is genuine, nobody is going to give you 20 quid if they don't intend returning for the car. otherwise timewasting would be an expensive past time.

be polite, be kind, answer questions, offer a test drive, do your best to sell, but its not sold until money is exchanged. and victims of timewasters are either too eager or stupid.

Yeah , am inclined to agree with above post. So sellers on donedeal etc, read it and take note, then advertize and there will be a lot less timewasters and very few complete timewasters.....:p:D:P

biko

Timewaster: someone who disagrees with "first to see will buy" :P

MrDerp

A friend of a friend used to randomly test drive cars on a Saturday if he was bored. Sometimes a dealer was unlucky enough to spend 30 mins with him, many times it was a private seller.

Glancing at the classifieds he'd remark "I've never driven a Primera", or something, and he'd pick one at random to take a 30 min test drive.

Top Dog

Dulce Disgusting Index wrote: »

Just on this topic, where do most of you sellers stand on deposits? If someone left 200 with you and agreed the price on the car then changed their mind do they loose their 200?

All depends on the time between deposit being left, and them changing their mind. If it takes a week I'd only give them half back.

no1beemerfan

Eric Cartman wrote: »

i wouldnt give a deposit to a private seller, dont know anybody who would

I bought the missus' focus II as a private sale. Gave the fella a deposit of €400. Not cash though but a cheque.


I too would be wary of ads that have re-advertised as a result of time waster though.

red menace

Not a car but this guy sounds like he has had his ear bent on a few occasions

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/tractors/1879801

Idleater

biko wrote: »

Timewaster: someone who disagrees with "first to see will buy" :P

I love seeing that in an advertisment. Followed by
"This ad has been viewed 1334 times"

TigerTim

biko wrote: »

Timewaster: someone who disagrees with "first to see will buy" :P

That's one line that really pees me off. Usually a ball of sh!te & you'd want to be blind to buy !!

voxpop

red menace wrote: »

Not a car but this guy sounds like he has had his ear bent on a few occasions

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/tractors/1879801

but feel free to ring me if your lonely... i'd love to know how many cows your neighbour is milking...!!!!

andyseadog

Eric Cartman wrote: »

i wouldnt give a deposit to a private seller, dont know anybody who would

when i was selling my K12 micra last year, it was on donedeal a good while, slight interest here and there.

got a call from a polish woman one night, didn't know her from adam (obviously) the next day she turns up with her husband and a mechanic after traveling 90 miles to view the car. they took a quick drive in it, spent around ten minutes giving it a once over.

came into my kitchen, didnt argue about the asking price, just counted out a 600 euro deposit.

then they said they couldn't make it back for 8 days for the car due to work. (thats fine, 600 quid deposit means there will be no ****ing around)

8 days later they turned up on time, and gave me the rest of the cash. i gave them 100 quid back i was so pleased with how the sale went.

we could learn a lot from the polish and how they do business, like of your serious, be serious.

pcardin

it's not only polish. a lot of nationalities hate negotiation process as such. If he's budget is 3k he'll be only looking for a car up till that amount and will not ring and waste time for someone who sells a car for 4k.
The same is for selling stuff. If he marks his price as let's say €100 then this is what he really wants to get.

ArphaRima

I would not call a seller with things like "No Timewasters" or certainly not to "No Offers".

I think it rude to not drop price on haggling. Even if its 50 quid on a 50 grand car. If somebody wouldnt budge I would walk.

I sold a motorbike just before christmas. Although I knew I was giving him a fantastic deal and the price was well below the market rate, as well as being higher spec and condition I still dropped a notional 50 quid on haggling. As above; I even said it'd be rude not to.

johnos1984

shamwari wrote: »

The names he called me were choice.......:D

I love when buyers start calling you some choice words because you won't drop down to their budget.

I got a lot of abuse selling my Corolla off one guy.

"oh yes you called me a wanker and a ****. Sure hell I'll sell you the car now for half the asking price and I'll throw in a night with my girlfriend"

The only real timewaster I got was one guy who rang and asked to view the car. Arrangement made, called before I left to get the car and he was just getting in his car to come. Waited 3 hours and no show. called him again and he said he forgot to come and could he re-arrange :rolleyes:

sh1tstirrer

red menace wrote: »

Not a car but this guy sounds like he has had his ear bent on a few occasions

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/tractors/1879801

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/tractors/1897302

Fiat tractor for sale same problem :mad:

Owen

Eric Cartman wrote: »

i wouldnt give a deposit to a private seller, dont know anybody who would

I always do, and I insist if someone's buying a car I'm selling and agree to it face to face, if they're not taking it that day, to give me a deposit. There's nothing to stop them welching, you turning away further potential sales, and waiting days only to be disappointed otherwise.

andyseadog

this reminds me of a funny story, actually it's not as funny as it is long :pac:

just last week a friend of mine went to view a saab 9-3 in dublin (traveled 50 miles to view the car). liked it, negotiated a price of 6500, gave a 100 euro deposit just to show he would be coming back and arranged to meet up again in 4 days time to finalise the deal.

so 4 days later he rings the seller up to say he's leaving to come pick up the car at which point the seller says he can just come and take his deposit back because he doesn't want to sell the car anymore.

this left my friend a bit pissed, why didn't the guy ring sooner to tell him the deal was off rather than drag it out?

so it appears there are timewasters on both sides of the sale these days :rolleyes:

pcardin

pcardin wrote: »

it's not only polish. .............The same is for selling stuff. If he marks his price as let's say €100 then this is what he really wants to get.

Oh yes, I bought my Prelude off a Polish chap for €850, I think that was the asking price, he nearly cried when I offered him less. I felt awful for even trying to haggle with him.

Our man in Havana

Polish and most eastern European people do not haggle. They will pay the asking price if buying and will expect the selling price when selling.

Our man in Havana

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Polish and most eastern European people do not haggle. They will pay the asking price if buying and will expect the selling price when selling.

Not all of them though, a lad offered me €500 for a car I was asking €700 for, and it was priced to sell as per the add, no haggling. He got quite p1ssed off and almost aggressive when I refused his offer, in the end I had to tell him to get f'd with his €500.

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

RoverJames wrote: »

Not all of them though, a lad offered me €500 for a car I was asking €700 for, and it was priced to sell as per the add, no haggling. He got quite p1ssed off and almost aggressive when I refused his offer, in the end I had to tell him to get f'd with his €500.

Good man

Dulce Disgusting Index

Dulce Disgusting Index wrote: »

Good man

:rolleyes:

delly

The thread title has reminded me of a time I took the mick out of my brother who was selling a Mondeo. I dug up the old emails below to show how it went, but in the meantime he was ringing me asking me what did I think as the requests seemed so strange. I just kept telling him to see it as a sale and keep answering any request.

Me wrote:

Ahmed writes:
I would like to enquire about the 2003 Ford Mondeo 20TDCI 115BHP FFSH 2.0 Diesel

Hello sir, my name is Ahmed and I would like to enquire about your car. The price seems very good sir, but I need to know if your car can take supersize drinks cups. The reason I ask sir, is that I am on the road travelling all day and need a big cup holder. If this can be done sir then I would like to see your car as possible soon, before you have sold it on.

Thank you sir and may God bless you.

Bro wrote:

hi
yes it has a universal cup holder that pops out
of the dash im sure it would take most size cups

Me wrote:

Thank you for your reply sir. The cups I use are 9 cms in width, would
these fit?
Also, what part of the country are you in, I am living in Santry,
Dublin. What time can I see the car?

Thank you again sir and may god bless you.

Bro wrote:

sorry for not getting back was away and the car was sold in the mean time
thanks