ACR?

Spooky-Vinny

Hey everyone,
I just wanted to ask the quick question of:

what on earth has driven everyone into a ACR/MASADA craze? Is it simply becuase it's Magpul or?

-SpOoKy xXx

LawlessBoy

Bling on the airsoft site?

Spooky-Vinny

LawlessBoy wrote: »

Bling on the airsoft site?

lol but what makes it bling? the cost of it? or simply becuase the world is in a Magpul craze?
xXx

MerryDespot

Don't worry - the VFC Robinson XCR will be out soon and then there'll be another gun for people to go gaga over.

To be honest I think it's down to the fact that there are only so many m4 or Aks that you can stomach before you start looking for something different. A masada at least takes stanag mags ... which means that you don't have to buy a whole load of new mags etc.

bullets

I never gave them any notice until a few weeks ago
when I picked one up and took a few shots and handled one.
(I barely touched it, having only fired a few shots
but from handling it and seeing how it fired and reading a
bit about them I formed a positive opinion on them which surprised me)

I never liked the look of them.
To me its they were just some fancy ass M4
(regardless of what it is, thats what it looks like to me) and all this magpul stuff is overpriced and hyped up to the last.

Buuutttttt!!!!

From seeing one in action.

The Range was fantastic. (as airsoft goes)
Its very Light and comfortable compared to other AEG's I've held.
The consistency of where the BB's traveled looked great.
Accessing the gear box is easy.
Changing the Barrel and Hop up is easy.
It appears to be modular for upgrades/changing stuff.
Micro-switches in the trigger less/no arching and burnt contacts and feel lovely and responsive when firing.

Honestly its one of the more rare times when I would go
for performance over looks, and also for people that may be less confident at taking things apart its a nice gun to buy to Learn from and build up more confidence at
poking around in airsoft stuff.

(I will hopefully be getting one of my own in the future specifically to skirmish with
rather than to add to the collection)

~B

richieffff

The times I've seen it on site,
Amazing range and accuracy From stock

Puding

magpul + mob/lemming mentality = lattest must have item , there is an lot of people that is just looking for the 'i win' button of airsoft and the masda was billed as that, in reality it is an expensive aeg with magpul milking the hype with a lot of expensive add ons

it has nice finish and stock performance is good but so do a lot of things for that price, and come on guys this is airsoft i can pritty much make any aeg have the same performance with limited work

it will be something else in 6 months time





and its still just and m4 ( after a one night stand with a g36 ) ................runs and hides

MerryDespot

Puding wrote: »

and its still just and m4................runs and hides

I'm coming for your AK collection Puding!!!

Captain Chaos

Spooky-Vinny wrote: »

Hey everyone,
I just wanted to ask the quick question of:

what on earth has driven everyone into a ACR/MASADA craze? Is it simply becuase it's Magpul or?

I believe it was down to our famous TV sniper Mac from Future Weapons and then MW2 sealed the deal.

Just as the SCAR craze/phase from GRAW and MW1 was passing the ACR stepped into the light.

The start of tan, gucci and multicam and the rest was history.

The poor HK416 never got a look in with craze phase as are all it was in was BFBC1 after being featured on FW.

Spooky-Vinny

I can't say i know much about it's performance etc. but i'm sure to many they did not take that into consideration as Puding said any AEG can be tuned to match the "performance of the ACR" or even better it! and probably for less!
So confused in how everyone got around to this madness?
Everyone has Ruined ACRs for me
xXx

richieffff

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The poor HK416 never got a look in with craze phase as are all it was in was BFBC1 after being featured on FW.

Lovely gun the HK416 shame I have the sportsline.

And I think the masada is a nice looking gun too, it looks so nice to hold

Gatling

500e aeg that needs some work ,i dont think so , i was the original person who posted anything magpul long before it even turned up in MW2 and Airsoft ,but now weve had an Ak one ,G&P,and official and best Pts version,plus an official Bushmaster now in the works its turning into another M4 everybodys got/getting one . thank god for ICS and not every bodys got one aeg models

Spooky-Vinny

I was also a follower of Magpul before it showed up in MW and Airsoft(that i remember) and had often thought about how amazing it would be to have a ACR AEG, becuase back then it would have been a gun not many people would know about, a gun som1 would really havto look into guns to know about.
and now... an example of how i feel would be if there was a airsoft VSS and everyone wanted it! not even knowing anything about it! only the fact that it's "now"!
xXx

TNTQ

Guy walks into a shop:

Guy: I want a new aeg.

Retailer: What are you after mate?

Guy: I dunno, I just don't want a M4, ak, g36, pdw, acr, F2000, mp5, m14, uzi, famas, lmg, G3, P90, Fal, PSG-1, Thompson, Sig, Type 97, Scar, SR25, L85, HK416, MP7, Scorpion, SAW, Galil, Barret, Tavor, PPSH, LR300, Aug. I dont want anything popular.

Retailer: Magpul have a new wundergun, its E780 and they're bringing out several expensive accessories for it.

Guy: I'll take it as long as you promise not to sell one to anyone else

Retailer: Yeah, no problem :pac:

Spooky-Vinny

not saying that they shouldn't sell it to anyone else
Am just wondering why the big ACR craze?
like there are soooooo many AEGs out there as TNTQ mentioned, and now that i think of it i havn't seen 80% outside a shop or a photo?
what is it thats drawing everyone to the ACR?
xXx

Gatling

rather have a Black XM8 (pretty plz TnTQ)

Captain Chaos

Spooky-Vinny wrote: »

what is it thats drawing everyone to the ACR?
xXx

Honestly, I'd say its a combination of,

1) Does not look like an Armalite.

2) Takes Armalite 5.56 mags.

3) In a familiar form factor, ie not a bullpup or have an AK style mag release.

4) Light, quick change barrels, quick change stock types, easy battery change ala G36 style, and railed up to the nines.

NakedDex

Flavour of the month, that's all. It was hyped to hell and back before it was released, so the Magpul Masses flocked to it. It's not a bad rifle, though I personally find it uncomfortable, but it's mainly popular for marketing reasons.
€500 goes a long way to getting a fantastic rifle plus extras in airsoft, but you'll barely get change out of it with an ACR.
I've heard every justification from "at least it's not an M4" (it is) to "it has great performance" (for that money it would bloody well want to) and even "it takes M4 mags!" (so do M4's, M16's, SA80's, F2000's, TAR-21's, G36's, HK416's etc).

But hey, people like what they like and they'll get what they like if they can afford it. Once the next big computer game or action movie comes out, what people like will change accordingly and you'll see a sudden shift toward "x" rifle being OMG AM BEST GUN!!!. This will then swiftly be followed by dozens of people getting them, and the inevitable release of a tan version.
Same cycle happened with the TAR-21, F2000, M99 etc.

SgtBob

Got mine because the ACR/Masada has been my fav rifle since I saw it years ago on some documentary, can't remember what it was.

Has been on my list of wanted aeg's since I got into airsoft, only reason I didn't get the A&K one was because I just never got around to finding one to buy.

The fact that the aeg performs great is a big plus. But even if it sucked, I prob would have got one just as a wall hanger. (well maybe if it wasn't 500)

Manic Moran

If it's a consolation, the real one is hyped about the same way over here. For the cost of the thing, I have absolutely no idea why it's so popular except for the fact that it's a Masada.

NTM

Hivemind187

Blah blah I hate Masadas blah blah I love masadas.

You realise that you are essentially arguing over which shade of tan you prefer right?

For the most part there is very little difference between any AEG in Ireland except in barrel length, magazine position and rate of fire. Any piece of kit can be accurised. Any of them can have speed mods or durability mods so the arguement - in essence - comes down to a simple choice of aesthetics and comfort.

People who like the Masada like the way it looks and the physical arrangement. Its only a "craze" because some people have found the small innovations (butt stock, fire selector etc) to be an improvement over what they are used to and have been singing its praises.

I garauntee you that there are still more armalites, mp5's and G36's (which had its own "craze" in 2007) out there are ACR's. In fact I would be willing to bet that there are still more AK's, Scar's (its own craze in 2008) and AGM shotties knocking about than ACR's.

The "Its just for MAGPUL fanbois" argument is mostly made by fan's of exotic foreign kit. People who prefer wood furniture and unusual ceoncepts to the familiar "idiot proof" style of the M4. Like most people who put themselves outside of the mainstream there tends to be a juvenile stamping of feet and pouting over the horror of being mainstream to rival any "fanboi" behavior which makes the whole thing completely laughable. Its the AK vs M4 argument all over again - just a different logo.

The ACR/Masada is a fine piece of kit. It has great out-of-the-box performance. It comes with a couple of rails (oooh, aggressive!). It is very expensive. Its a trade off. Like almost everything in life if you pay more, you usually get more (I realise this assumption is little comfort in the current economic climate).

Edit: I do have one serious complaint about he ACR. What happened to it being a modular rifle capable of switching between different magazines and rounds? Wasnt that the innovation of note?

Beez

They do seem very expensive for what they are imo.

NakedDex

Hivemind187 wrote: »

Edit: I do have one serious complaint about he ACR. What happened to it being a modular rifle capable of switching between different magazines and rounds? Wasnt that the innovation of note?

The iPad was supposed to be full of extras and special features that would be it's unique selling point too. Look where expectation of promised features gets you.

Blazer

Spooky-Vinny wrote: »

not saying that they shouldn't sell it to anyone else
Am just wondering why the big ACR craze?
like there are soooooo many AEGs out there as TNTQ mentioned, and now that i think of it i havn't seen 80% outside a shop or a photo?
what is it thats drawing everyone to the ACR?
xXx

its because they're all Modern Warfare 2 (COD) noobs who just want the best gun from the game

NakedDex

Sc@recrow wrote: »

its because they're all Modern Warfare 2 (COD) noobs who just want the best gun from the game but can't afford the €1500+ for the Cheytac M200

Fixed that for you.

darman28

The reason why i like the magpul masada is because the really one is class, was watching several documentries about them.Every light, Inter changable barrels, can take standard nato round, ak round also the 6.8 round and I think it looks nice.So i thought i wonder if theres an airsoft version and i found out it was just out.Then i heard great reports about it, great range, very accurate and the way u can change the spring in it is very handy.
The big negitive thing about the masada I find are the price irish retailers are looking for it is silly 550 euros for just the gun and mag.The fact that it has been out barely 6 month I dont think it has stood the test of time, I say in the next 6 months we will be hearing what goes wrong with them.The fad about it is silly, to be see with one wow, school s**t.If i did get a masada every one would want a go, a 100 questions about it also, way to much brief for me.Will get one a some stage but when the fad and the price go down

TNTQ

darman28 wrote: »

the price irish retailers are looking for it is silly 550 euros for just the gun and mag.

I agree mate, the price is stupid, but you should know that the discount shoved down the throat offered to Irish retailers is a pitance @ $32 off the HK Retail price (when bought from there). More money can be made out of selling a bog standard plastic M4.

So blame Magpul, not your friendly local retailer :pac:

TheDoc

I don't get the Masada hate.


The original A&K model was like goldust and I was one of the lucky few to get one and they were fantastic.

I instantly fell in love, brilliant performance and accuracy , lovely feel and it was all round just rock solid.

I trick'd mine a little with a tightbore m16 barel and some bits and pieces and I would safely say I never came up against a rifle that could match it for performance.

My first trip ever to Mac I had my Masada and you only have to ask the Mac lads, or Gerrowadat who was sitting beside me feeding me mags, I was cracking people square on from a fair old distance, when they couldnt get close.

My biggest regret was selling my Masada, it was definitly the best performing rifle I ever had.

The new price on the Magpul licensed ones are steep, but were always going to be that price, A&K were epic chinese clones. And I think I paid about €180 retail on first batch.

But if the new one performs like any other Magpul AEG, then its bound to be pretty good. I've heard nothing but great things about the Magpul range of AEG's.

There some amount of pony being spouted though in fairnes. From people who I really don't think have ever fired one of the originals or even the new ones. As Hivemind said it is about aesthetics,comfort and choice.

As much banter as I create over AK's, I really coudln't give two ****s about what people use or how much they pay for it, tbh I might consider buying a VFC AK CRAZY considering the amount of quality clones out there for half the price, but its the buyers choice.

In fairness I'm looking at buying just a basic , decent M4 brand, and it looks to be between €250-€350 euro for a basic M4.

Or I can buy the Magpul M4, that externally appeals to me in looks and comfort, and out of the box has pretty high performance, and the price is lower then an ICS or G&P.


I'd seriously question anyone that says the ACR/Masada is not a good rifle, from my hands on, and the year I had the clone version, it was the best in the business, and the Magpul verison from what I'm hearing and from the hands on I've had, has made it that little bit better

MonkeyGuy

I think what people hate about it is that when people have that sort of money, they automatically think MASADA! Whereas they could buy almost any externally awesome AEG and upgrade it to shoot better than the Masada.

But, that's how everything works. I could get a nice t-shirt for a few euro, or get the same one but end up paying alot more because it has a silhouette of some lad playing polo on it? I'm always gonna go for the cheaper one but there's lots of people who can afford the brands, and so long as their happy to pay the extra money, more luck to them. If it wasn't for them, there'd be no market for high-end AEGs, and then my lovely clone companies would have no models to copy!

To each his own. If you want a Masada, don't let Boards members stop you!

Puding

tbh there was not much hate for the masada in the past posts more a hate of the hype , i like the masada as a replica i own an a&k version from the first run the pts version has many of the toys that i like on my other ares replicas

MonkeyGuy

I agree with you. I don't hate Ralph Lauren I just hate when people have a hundred euro to spend on a t-shirt and automatically think it's worth it because of the logo. I'm not a huge fan of the Masada so I'd be sort of biased... but I love any AK, and just because I've €500 euro doesn't mean I'll go for a VFC straight away? So I don't understand why it's different for the Masada. If I wanted a Masada I'd try my hardest to get my hands on an A&K.

TheDoc

Puding wrote: »

tbh there was not much hate for the masada in the past posts more a hate of the hype , i like the masada as a replica i own an a&k version from the first run the pts version has many of the toys that i like on my other ares replicas

Although the hype in ireland might not have been huge, it was big enough worldwide, A&K bringing out their Masada obviously brought about the PR related to it, magpul lawsuit all that lark.

I myself wont be buying a new one cause I'm just looknig for an M4, but I'm seriously tempted to just grab a Magpul M4, the other basic M4 brands are around the €280-€350 mark anyay, and considering i planned to get some magpul goodies, might aswell crack the cash into the real deal

OddysAirsoft

I don't get this thread at all - you would swear the way everyone is going on the airsoft sites were awash with people wielding Magpul Masadas - news flash - they're not!

I have only seen one in use out there in the last year that was not mine!

The Airsoft rule has been forgotten about - 'there is no wrong or right - it's what floats YOUR boat that matters!' I really struggle with why people are so needy, in as much that they need someone to vindicate their choice of equipment before they can truly be happy!

Why the Magpul Masada has become semi popular or at least on the wish list of a lot of airsofters is that a)it's very different looking from most other guns b)its price puts it out of the range of the average airsofter which makes the owner more unique c)as a stock gun it is unequalled by any other. For those unwilling to tinker with guns this is a great bonus

I think people will just have to understand that some will like it and some will hate it -relax and get over it!

Shiva

Gerry, why don't you knock it off with them logical waves? Why don't you dig how begrudging it is out here? Why don't you say something negative and stupid for a change?

Get with the program, Dude

TheDoc

Shiva wrote: »

Gerry, why don't you knock it off with them logical waves?

WOOF WOOF

bullets

Damn ye regulars! I now have to dig out my Kelly's Hero's
DVD and watch it while drunk.
[Donald for the win!]
~B

defenderdude

:D:D
Change the words "Magpul Masada" to "Multicam" and go back 2 or 3 years... same sh1t different day.:rolleyes:


The slagging, begrudgery, whinging, envy and coveting is just par for the course with airsoft! (and always will be):D

It's what makes us spend our hard earned cash on TOYS!

Long may it continue!!!:D:D:D

Leftyflip

OddysAirsoft wrote: »

c)as a stock gun it is unequalled by any other. For those unwilling to tinker with guns this is a great bonus

G&G G2010, stock = awesomesauce, better than the fagsada masada.

Shiva

bullets wrote: »

Damn ye regulars! I now have to dig out my Kelly's Hero's
DVD and watch it while drunk.
[Donald for the win!]
~B

One of my uncles can recite that movie, word for word, from start to finish. I **** you not.

Its probably the main reason he doesn't get invited to family parties, now that I thInk about it.

Spooky-Vinny

Just to clarify, i was just wondering how on earth it came into such an emense need for them, i don't hate it, infact i love it!
Thanks for all the replies guys!
xXx

Damo 2k9

Leftyflip wrote: »

G&G G2010, stock = awesomesauce, better than the fagsada masada.

You beat me to it

TNTQ

Leftyflip wrote: »

G&G G2010, stock = awesomesauce, better than the fagsada masada.

Saw Jason 'Square Jaw' Statham rocking one in 'The Mechanic' there last night...Looked the shinissle...

Cant use one myself without an Acog.

She's a grower :pac:

SgtBob

Leftyflip wrote: »

G&G G2010, stock = awesomesauce, better than the fagsada masada.

As a proud masada owner... I agree. But only slightly from what I can see with my mates.

Sod'o swords

Decided to have a gawk back here and was surprised to see this thread. I've had a masada for, almost two years i think. Has it been released again by Magpul at thrice the price?

Some of the prices i see quoted in this thread are no where near what i paid for mine. For the price of mine the quality was fantastic, plus i think there were less than 20 in the country so it made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Manic Moran

Over on this side of the world, Bushmaster have realised that the gun does not live to all the hype, and has slashed the price down to something a little more reasonable.

NTM

Captain Chaos

Manic Moran wrote: »

Over on this side of the world, Bushmaster have realised that the gun does not live to all the hype, and has slashed the price down to something a little more reasonable.

NTM

Probably competition from the SCAR which is alot cheaper, also helping to drive the price down. The ACRs were almost $2,800-3,000?, crazy money.

I don't think FNH had to do a recall at all, unlike Bushmaster had to over the full auto trigger sear problem.

Firekitten

I think the airsoft ACR craze would be much more .... well, practical, if the airsoft one, could be modular... had AVAILABLE new front ends, magwell,s etc, and was changable. If I could buy one, and get an AK magwell, and an m4 magwell, it would be swell, I use both. Or a sniper barrel setup I can switch over fast in game from a cqb length when leaving buildings for more open fire positions... that would rock... but it doesnt.... so its an m4 with a boobjob really.

Witcher

Firekitten wrote: »

I think the airsoft ACR craze would be much more .... well, practical, if the airsoft one, could be modular... had AVAILABLE new front ends, magwell,s etc, and was changable. If I could buy one, and get an AK magwell, and an m4 magwell, it would be swell, I use both. Or a sniper barrel setup I can switch over fast in game from a cqb length when leaving buildings for more open fire positions... that would rock... but it doesnt.... so its an m4 with a boobjob really.

All those parts are already planned for the PTS version, I realise you said 'available', but were at the mercy of PTS and their 'release dates'.

DICEMAN7

Blay wrote: »

All those parts are already planned for the PTS version, I realise you said 'available', but were at the mercy of PTS and their 'release dates'.

here you go http://www.rulesofengagement.org.uk/

Firekitten

Cheers for that link, and the info blay. If they come out, and do work as said on the tin, I may well have myself one :P It does seem lovely and practical.

darman28

Have ye seen the CQB version that ehobbyasia are selling
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/eac-custom-guns/aeg/magpul-masada-acr-cqb-railed-aeg-dark-earth.html

Also if it is that price on ehobby what crazy price will it be here in Ireland, a scary thought