Ireland unfree shall

Sunnyisland

Ireland unfree shall never be at peace, they were the rousing closing words from Patrick pearse at the funeral of o donovan rossa on 1 aug 1915, just eight months before he led the start of the 1916 easter rising and read our proclamation at the Gpo, With the rise of sinn fein in this election & being in power in the six counties plus the 100th anniversary of 1916 coming in five years time,Do you think the above saying is true and are/or we getting closer to a peaceful united Ireland.

Krusader

I think it will take another 50 years for a United Ireland, i'll be a very old man or 6ft under. I would rather see peace as 2 seperate states then the fighting start again as 1 state

PK2008

Ireland will never be free


The bloody thing is costing us €84 billion

Riamfada

Still pissing and moaning about the Brits who left years ago when we more or less belong to the Germans.

arybvtcw0eolkf

realies wrote: »

Ireland unfree shall never be at peace, they were the rousing closing words from Patrick pearse at the funeral of o donovan rossa on 1 aug 1915, just eight months before he led the start of the 1916 easter rising and read our proclamation at the Gpo, With the rise of sinn fein in this election & being in power in the six counties plus the 100th anniversary of 1916 coming in five years time,Do you think the above saying is true and are/or we getting closer to a peaceful united Ireland.

Unfortunetely yes I think the words still ring true.

Look, people have to forget about SF's recent history and association with the Provisional IRA - its in the past, the PIRA are thankfully gone and the majority of past members are in agreement with the GFA.

There is now a semblence of peace.

But we can't drop our guard the threat dissident republican terrorist's, and while there's a British presence in the north of Ireland there'll be unrest, and murder.

Right now, it would help peace if people would just accept that the Provisionals are gone and SF have now enter mainstream politics and drop the bullsh*t with stirring up the past.

UsernameInUse

First and foremost - it's romantic to celebrate the lives of the men of 1916.
However, somewhere throughout history, we lost the concept of what it was, they fought for. We escaped a monarchy, oligarchy - to evolve into a banana Republic who imitate the old "foe" at every turn.

Now, most patriots will fight you if you tell them this, but the fact is that Pearce and co would never support what Sinn Fein stand for now. Indeed, and rightly so, the men of 1916 would be turning in their grave this weekend as we, the Irish electorate, in all our smugness, believed electing Fianna Fail lite, would make a blind bit of difference.

Until our sovereignty is restored, Ireland will never be free. Throughout history, democratically elected politicians have handed control of Ireland in every sense over from Dublin to a foreign land. Ask yourself this question - is that what the men of 1916 died for?

PeterIanStaker

I am reporting you all to the Viceroy, Colonel K Myers, as possible Fenian sympathisers. Every knave among you shall be pitch-capped fortwith.

Nolanger

The only way Sinn Féin will get their united Ireland is if they move back over the border and start families with a minimum of 10 kids each.

Nodin

Another Sinn Fein thread. O wondrous joy......

Wolfe Tone

I believe it, Ireland unfree will never be at peace. Freedom for me does not only refer to "da brits" but to our fundamentally unfair society. How many of us are actually free?

super_furry

Sinn Fein are in as a protest vote, they'll be gone at the next election.

Sunnyisland

Ramada wrote: »

Still pissing and moaning about the Brits who left years ago when we more or less belong to the Germans.

The british Army are still stationed in the six counties.

dr.bollocko

Moved from after hours.

knird evol

Apparently Pearse didn't even know O'Donovan Rossa. He just went to the burial because the lads were going on the raz for the day after the funeral.

Liam Byrne

realies wrote: »

The british Army are still stationed in the six counties.

And the Irish army are stationed in this country. What's your point ?

InTheTrees

realies wrote: »

Ireland unfree shall never be at peace,

Do you think the above saying is true and are/or we getting closer to a peaceful united Ireland.

It was a beautiful speech certainly.

Today however, we've changed and I think now the only way it will ever happen is peacefully.

And it will happen in time.

Fremen

What does "freedom" mean anyway? Rhetoric like that gets people killed.

"Our administrative zone is a legally distinct entity from your administrative zone! Hurrah!"

You can love Ireland and Irish culture all you want - does it really matter who collects the taxes and fixes the potholes? Is that worth fighting for? Worth dying for?

Sunnyisland

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And the Irish army are stationed in this country. What's your point ?

The point was in answer to a previous post who said the brits left years ago.

Liam Byrne

realies wrote: »

The point was in answer to a previous post who said the brits left years ago.

Well they left this country years ago. And if and when the North wants to be part of this country, the mechanism is in place for them to do so.

Badgermonkey

Crosáidí wrote: »

I think it will take another 50 years for a United Ireland

I'd add another 50+ to that figure, though by then northerners may have forged a new identity for themselves as a separate political and cultural entity.

Those on both sides of the divide seem to me to have far more in common with each other than with ourselves or mainland Britain.

Badgermonkey

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

How many of us are actually free?

Wolfe Tone

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Well they left this country years ago. And if and when the North wants to be part of this country, the mechanism is in place for them to do so.

Do you think gerrymandering is fair? This island was gerrymandered.

PeterIanStaker

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I believe it, Ireland unfree will never be at peace. Freedom for me does not only refer to "da brits" but to our fundamentally unfair society. How many of us are actually free?

Good point, and it also applies to the rest of the world -places like China, North Korea, Egypt, Libya etc, where people cannot even exercise their right to vote.

Sunnyisland

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Well they left this country years ago. And if and when the North wants to be part of this country, the mechanism is in place for them to do so.

When did they leave ? Anyway that's getting away from the point,with Sf in government in the north and with them gaining more & more support in the south and with a united Ireland being a main policy for them will they push it faster.

KeithAFC

realies wrote: »

Ireland unfree shall never be at peace, they were the rousing closing words from Patrick pearse at the funeral of o donovan rossa on 1 aug 1915, just eight months before he led the start of the 1916 easter rising and read our proclamation at the Gpo, With the rise of sinn fein in this election & being in power in the six counties plus the 100th anniversary of 1916 coming in five years time,Do you think the above saying is true and are/or we getting closer to a peaceful united Ireland.

No.

KeithAFC

Badgermonkey wrote: »

I'd add another 50+ to that figure, though by then northerners may have forged a new identity for themselves as a separate political and cultural entity.

Those on both sides of the divide seem to me to have far more in common with each other than with ourselves or mainland Britain.

Agree with you. I always seen it this way.

Sunnyisland

Badgermonkey wrote: »

I'd add another 50+ to that figure, though by then northerners may have forged a new identity for themselves as a separate political and cultural entity.

Those on both sides of the divide seem to me to have far more in common with each other than with ourselves or mainland Britain.

With respect dont agree with you and as far as a separate political cultural entity happening for the six counties,never can see that happening, ever.

Badgermonkey

realies wrote: »

With respect dont agree with you and as far as a separate political cultural entity happening for the six counties,never can see that happening, ever.

As generations who experienced the violence pass, devolved powers increase, integrated education gains momentum, inter-faith marriages become more common and political discourse is normalised and focused entirely on health, tax, environment etc., I think Northern society will naturally reflect those changes.

It may well be that in the process of that change, a progressive and fully inclusive cultural identity may reveal itself.

Athlone_Bhoy

Riamfada wrote: »

Still pissing and moaning about the Brits who left years ago when we more or less belong to the Germans.

They haven't gone away you know.

Spudmonkey

realies wrote: »

Ireland unfree shall never be at peace, they were the rousing closing words from Patrick pearse at the funeral of o donovan rossa on 1 aug 1915, just eight months before he led the start of the 1916 easter rising and read our proclamation at the Gpo, With the rise of sinn fein in this election & being in power in the six counties plus the 100th anniversary of 1916 coming in five years time,Do you think the above saying is true and are/or we getting closer to a peaceful united Ireland.

Sinn Fein bring peace to Ireland?

Ireland can't afford to keep 26 counties, not to mind the full 32.

Unpossible

If the north were given to the republic wouldn't the unionists view themselves as being "unfree" ?

I would just like us to have a similar relationship to the scots and welsh, where we all just have a laugh and get along. Would be great to see an all-island soccer team though, rubgy and GAA have no problems so why does soccer?

lugha

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Do you think gerrymandering is fair? This island was gerrymandered.

No it wasn't. :rolleyes:

Dave!

Isn't Ireland at peace now? And 'free' too?

Dionysus

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Those on both sides of the divide seem to me to have far more in common with each other than with ourselves or mainland Britain.

What's this "mainland Britain" nonsense? There is Britain or Great Britain, which is an island between Ireland and France, and there is Ireland - and the name of the British state today, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, acknowledges that.

Dionysus

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Well they left this country years ago. And if and when the North wants to be part of this country, the mechanism is in place for them to do so.

Clearly, they didn't - unless you've a revisionist conception of "this country".

Liam Byrne

Dionysus wrote: »

Clearly, they didn't - unless you've a revisionist conception of "this country".

The Republic of Ireland ? Nothing revisionist about that factual statement whatsoever.

And before I get flamed, stating facts doesn't imply a bias or preference.

UsernameInUse

Dave! wrote: »

Isn't Ireland at peace now? And 'free' too?

It really depends what your definition of "free" is....

Badgermonkey

Dionysus wrote: »

What's this "mainland Britain" nonsense? There is Britain or Great Britain, which is an island between Ireland and France, and there is Ireland - and the name of the British state today, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, acknowledges that.

And if you travel far enough west you'll eventually reach the Pedantic Ocean.

Dannyboy83

Ireland was never both peaceful and united, but what it boils down to really is the statement below:

Liam Byrne wrote: »

If and when the North wants to be part of this country, the mechanism is in place for them to do so.

Aside from an advanced biological weapon that targets people of a certain political persuasion, that mechanism is really the only thing that can ensure it will be peaceful and united, whenever it might happen.

Sunnyisland

Badgermonkey wrote: »

As generations who experienced the violence pass, devolved powers increase, integrated education gains momentum, inter-faith marriages become more common and political discourse is normalised and focused entirely on health, tax, environment etc., I think Northern society will naturally reflect those changes.

It may well be that in the process of that change, a progressive and fully inclusive cultural identity may reveal itself.

I would be of the opinion that the more the six counties become normalised,the unionist/loyalist people will come to accept that they have nothing to fear and everything to gain from us all living in a peaceful united Ireland with of course respect & acknowledgement of there history & traditions.

FUNKY LOVER

InTheTrees wrote: »

It was a beautiful speech certainly.

Today however, we've changed and I think now the only way it will ever happen is peacefully.

And it will happen in time.

So should people just sit and wait and roll over? Wait how is that working for people? Oh wait its not. The Irish people asked and asked and asked and asked for generations upon generations for the British to leave Ireland. Did they no. So the Irish people faught and faught and finally got 26 counties away from the British. Then all thats left is six counties. Well asking politely to release the six counties isent working is it? Treaties are not working and I dont see the british voluntarily leaving the six counties. So what should the Irish people do keep asking politily or try somthing differnt?

Dave!

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

So should people just sit and wait and roll over? Wait how is that working for people? Oh wait its not. The Irish people asked and asked and asked and asked for generations upon generations for the British to leave Ireland. Did they no. So the Irish people faught and faught and finally got 26 counties away from the British. Then all thats left is six counties. Well asking politely to release the six counties isent working is it? Treaties are not working and I dont see the british voluntarily leaving the six counties. So what should the Irish people do keep asking politily or try somthing differnt?

Wait until the majority on both side of the border want it?

donaghs

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

So should people just sit and wait and roll over? Wait how is that working for people? Oh wait its not. The Irish people asked and asked and asked and asked for generations upon generations for the British to leave Ireland. Did they no. So the Irish people faught and faught and finally got 26 counties away from the British. Then all thats left is six counties. Well asking politely to release the six counties isent working is it? Treaties are not working and I dont see the british voluntarily leaving the six counties. So what should the Irish people do keep asking politily or try somthing differnt?

Most people in the North consider themselves British. But since Sinn Fein can come second in an election there, and are in government there, whats the fuss? havent you noticed that sovereignty has slipped away for the rest of Ireland? Have you heard about our debts? Are you watching the news!

petroltimer

Dionysus wrote: »

What's this "mainland Britain" nonsense? There is Britain or Great Britain, which is an island between Ireland and France, and there is Ireland - and the name of the British state today, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, acknowledges that.

your one of the oh so irritating people on this site, "britain is an island, northern ireland is part of the island of ireland but also part of the UK"

do you scan the boards just looking to catch people out?

grow up

Fitzerb

realies wrote: »

Ireland unfree shall never be at peace, they were the rousing closing words from Patrick pearse at the funeral of o donovan rossa on 1 aug 1915, just eight months before he led the start of the 1916 easter rising and read our proclamation at the Gpo, With the rise of sinn fein in this election & being in power in the six counties plus the 100th anniversary of 1916 coming in five years time,Do you think the above saying is true and are/or we getting closer to a peaceful united Ireland.

Thats not what Pearse said.

I would have expected the Shinners to at least know what Pearse said. And they claim to be the republican party.

Wolfe Tone

Fitzerb wrote: »

Thats not what Pearse said.

I would have expected the Shinners to at least know what Pearse said. And they claim to be the republican party.

He said this

They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! — they have left us our Fenian dead, and, while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace.

Fitzerb

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

He said this

They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! — they have left us our Fenian dead, and, while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace.

Not bad we are only on post 46+

The way things are looking someone like Germany could hold their graves

KeithAFC

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

He said this

They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! — they have left us our Fenian dead, and, while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace.

That is the dissidents mandate. Shame they can't just accept the will of the Ulster people in Northern Ireland.

Fitzerb

KeithAFC wrote: »

That is the dissidents mandate. Shame they can't just accept the will of the Ulster people in Northern Ireland.

There are no Ulster people in Northern Ireland. There are irish people in Northern Ireland

KeithAFC

Fitzerb wrote: »

There are no Ulster people in Northern Ireland. There are irish people in Northern Ireland

The Ulster will of the majority in Northern Ireland. Accept it. Long may Ulster reign is what i say.

Fitzerb

KeithAFC wrote: »

The Ulster will of the majority in Northern Ireland. Accept it. Long may Ulster reign is what i say.

Well until a significant amount of the biggots have passed on I am not sure that the Republic is really interested in you.