Cheapest LED Lenser P7

Savage93

Picked one up yesterday in the outdoor and adventure shop in Chatham row, just off Grafton St. €45, reduced from €65, get 'em while you can, best p:Drice I could find

Mauser 308

Savage93 wrote: »

Picked one up yesterday in the outdoor and adventure shop in Chatham row, just off Grafton St. €45, reduced from €65, get 'em while you can, best p:Drice I could find

Sorry savage 93, but what exactley are they, and what do you use them for?

jay.b

Mauser 308 wrote: »

Sorry savage 93, but what exactley are they, and what do you use them for?

its a torch a very good led torch. i got with a gun mount and use it for lamping. very bright great on batteries well worth buying!

Mauser 308

jay.b wrote: »

its a torch a very good led torch. i got with a gun mount and use it for lamping. very bright great on batteries well worth buying!

Sound on the look out now....:)

kemen

what sort of beam does it give? im half thinking of investing in a ledray 700.

garv123

kemen wrote: »

what sort of beam does it give? im half thinking of investing in a ledray 700.

if you do a search you'll find some a great thread about the p7.
i cant find it at the minute but one of the lads might have a link to it.
its good out to 150 yards max id say. its tiny and comes with a scope mount and gives off a decent beam. ideal for lamping on your own. you still need another lamp for doing the spotting. this is just for the final shot.

Tackleberrywho

kemen wrote: »

what sort of beam does it give? im half thinking of investing in a ledray 700.

170yards beam quite good 200 will only pick up eyes

For the money they are a great investment.

I bought 4 LED Lensers over the past few months

I bought mine in www.Switchcraft.ie

http://www.switchcraft.ie/products.asp?maincat=TOO&range=LEDLE&subcat1=HIGH%20PREFORMANCE%20LINE&index=10

sincere113

Savage93 wrote: »

Picked one up yesterday in the outdoor and adventure shop in Chatham row, just off Grafton St. €45, reduced from €65, get 'em while you can, best p:Drice I could find

Once you add the price for the gun mount and pressure switch it comes in at around €70. Good bit of kit though.

Savage93

Mauser 308 wrote: »

Sorry savage 93, but what exactley are they, and what do you use them for?

200 lumen torch, mounted on scope, night shooting, minus the wires, bad back,broken connections and, in the old days, jackets burnt with acid,

This method is the mutt's nuts!!!!!:D

Savage93

pressure switch and mount here, http://www.torchdirect.co.uk/led-lenser-torch-accessories.html

Vizzy

I have bought 4 of these on Ebay in the last month.Most I have paid was €26 (delivered).
The mount and the pressure switch would be extra but they are available on Ebay too.
Apart from the fact that they are brilliant as a spotlamp,they can be focussed to light up a room !!!
I mainly use mine to walk the dog at night and have no problem seeing him at 120-150 metres.

Savage93

Vizzy wrote: »

I have bought 4 of these on Ebay in the last month.Most I have paid was €26 (delivered).
The mount and the pressure switch would be extra but they are available on Ebay too.
Apart from the fact that they are brilliant as a spotlamp,they can be focussed to light up a room !!!
I mainly use mine to walk the dog at night and have no problem seeing him at 120-150 metres.

Good man, I'll admit when beaten, can't see pressure switches or mounts on ebay though:)

Vizzy

Savage93 wrote: »

Good man, I'll admit when beaten, can't see pressure switches or mounts on ebay though:)

Howdy,just checked and I cant find the pressure switch either,sorry if I misled you.
The mounts are there though.
Check out "rifle scope" and you will pick one up for about €10
Tack also put up a link to "Go Tactical" and they have a switch for €14 and a clamp for €10.I think that they are out of stock but worth a try.

zlezlius

Any one knows what sort of beam ledray 700 or ledray 400 produceses?Is it worth spending at least 100 quid extra compare to P7?

ormondprop

zlezlius wrote: »

Any one knows what sort of beam ledray 700 or ledray 400 produceses?Is it worth spending at least 100 quid extra compare to P7?

i was thinking the same but after finding feck all reviews on them i said i'd go for an led lenser m7r, i asked around on a few english forums and i was told that they dont have a great spot, they said most led's with that many lumens have way to much light spill and that its hard to beat the led lensers for price as a result although the best is supposedly this
http://www.inovatech.co.uk/shop/product.php?productid=100

clivej

I use this and will say it is as good as the P7 your all going on about. it.

$34 includes postage.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/super-thrower-far-projection-3w-cree-p4-flashlight-2x18650-2x18500-3356

Super Thrower Far Projection 3W Cree P4 Flashlight very little spill

243Xpress

clivej wrote: »

I use this and will say it is as good as the P7 your all going on about. it.

$34 includes postage.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/super-thrower-far-projection-3w-cree-p4-flashlight-2x18650-2x18500-3356

Super Thrower Far Projection 3W Cree P4 Flashlight very little spill

I have one of these attached to my rifle..Brill lamp for the money.Great for foxes.

One shot on kill

there prob is better torchs than the p7 but the one thing that stands to it is the pressure swicth thats one reason i would buy it and its seems to get fairly decent reviews

the one clivej has is very good i used a simular one before but not sure it it can be used with pressure swicth

thats a fair point i didnt think of it like that

i had a big lamp on my rifle but found i could really be quick enough to turn on light and get my hand back for the shot

have said that up here as soon as the light goes on the rabbits they bolt as luchers have the place terrified

clivej

One shot on kill wrote: »

there prob is better torchs than the p7 but the one thing that stands to it is the pressure swicth thats one reason i would buy it and its seems to get fairly decent reviews

the one clivej has is very good i used a simular one before but not sure it it can be used with pressure swicth

I used to have a Surefire torch with the pressure switch but I found it a pain to use with having to keep the thumb pressed on it. If you let it off at all the light would go out and you loose the target and then spend time trying to get it in the beam again.

I find the constant beam on from the torch far better.

Thomasofmel

Do you use alkaline or rechargeable batteries in the P7 - it would be cheaper to use the rechargeable ones :rolleyes: but can one damage the P7 by using rechargeable batteries?

garv123

Thomasofmel wrote: »

Do you use alkaline or rechargeable batteries in the P7 - it would be cheaper to use the rechargeable ones :rolleyes: but can one damage the P7 by using rechargeable batteries?

the 4 batteries last a very long time if you're only using the p7 for the kill shot. its not turned for more than a few seconds when using the pressure switch

Savage93

Rechargables not good for the lamp, apparently unregulated and will damage the LED

marlin

rechargable nimh batteries very good for both torch and wallet
been using rechargables for a long time now with no probs in lenser torches
actually if anything the rechargable nimh cells would be easier on the led as they produce 1.2v compared to alkalines 1.5v

Thomasofmel

Thanks Marlin, I googled this - and there are opinions out there that rechargeables would damage your P7. I will try out both and see how it goes.

zom

marlin wrote: »

rechargable nimh cells would be easier on the led as they produce 1.2v compared to alkalines 1.5v

Lower voltage means automatically BIGGER amperage which is dangerous for LEDs. Not big deal with smal LEDs but for modern CREE LEDs you count amperage in actually amps.

Tackleberrywho

clivej wrote: »

I can't say your right with that statement. When the voltage goes down the current drops as the resistance is still the same. That's why the lights dim on a car when you crank up the starter motor. If you up the voltage then the current will increase in direct proportion to the voltage. Watts = Amps x Volts

The P7 should be regulated in the circuit to only send the correct volts/current to the LED.

My cheapo torch takes 2x3.5 batteries but the LED is rated at 3volts 'cos the regulator controls the power.

What current is written on your torch and what is written on your batteries?
As we all know, voltage is current x resistance V=I.R from school science

2x3.5v can either be 7V or 3.5depending on how it's configured.

FYI your car use 13.8V yet the battery is 12V(trucks 24V with two 12v batteries)

However an 11V power supply would start a car, but would burn out the starter motor over time

So if we put batteries not suited to a P7 would we not do the same??

Tackleberrywho

clivej wrote: »

"Oh Grasshopper you speak with words that say 'I know a lot of little but little of a lot', and Grasshopper until your knowledge can tell the difference between the two then Grasshopper you are lost"

I was speaking of power not resistance and even with you quoting your school days equations you will see that with the resistance the same that when the voltage goes up so does the current.

So my torch can take between 3.6 and 9 volts 'cos it's got a built in regulator to control the voltage to the LED.
That's in simple terms so even you MAY comprehend the way the circuit works.

Sorry the batteries are 3.7 volts
Spec of the torch is:
- Throws 18500 lux @ 1m (yes it's real, it's very focused beam with quite a bit of spill as well)
- Powered by 2x18500

- Removable extension tube (included) allows 2x 18650 cells
- Super long 2 inch tall smooth reflector cup (plastic)
- Spot visible up to 100 meters away (beam is about 5m wide at 100m away)
- Switch type: twist on/off + momentary switch
- Accepted power input: 3.6V ~ 9V (allowing you to improvise on battery usage)
- Power draw current: 900mAh
- 2.5mm thick tempered glass lens
- ~1.5 hours to run down to 50% light (total runtime exceeds 2 hours)

CJ
I never said I knew the answer, I was asking a question, based on what I had learned to date.

The more I know, The more I know that I don't know

beanie10

If you up the voltage then the current will increase in direct proportion to the voltage. Watts = Amps x Volts

Watts is a constant here so in theory amps and voltage are inversely proportional to each other ie. as volt drops the current goes up.
But the voltage drops as the battery dies so doesnt have the power to produce the higher current so the wattage has to change ie. light gets dimmer.

Savage93

I only said I'd gotten a poxy P7 for €45 , didn't mean to start the war of amps and volts:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

clivej

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

What current is written on your torch and what is written on your batteries?
As we all know, voltage is current x resistance V=I.R from school science

2x3.5v can either be 7V or 3.5depending on how it's configured.

FYI your car use 13.8V yet the battery is 12V(trucks 24V with two 12v batteries)

However an 11V power supply would start a car, but would burn out the starter motor over time

So if we put batteries not suited to a P7 would we not do the same??

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

CJ
I never said I knew the answer, I was asking a question, based on what I had learned to date.

The more I know, The more I know that I don't know

My wrong with the information given so I deleted the post, Beanie is correct below.

beanie10 wrote: »

If you up the voltage then the current will increase in direct proportion to the voltage. Watts = Amps x Volts

Watts is a constant here so in theory amps and voltage are inversely proportional to each other ie. as volt drops the current goes up.
But the voltage drops as the battery dies so doesnt have the power to produce the higher current so the wattage has to change ie. light gets dimmer.

You are correct with that, my brain is fried so I was thinking bad.

If the voltage goes up so much then the circuits can not handle the extra volts and either go short circuit and draw so much current (amps) that it fries or goes open circuit and draws zero current so stops working.

clivej

I am just looking at adjustable focus Cree 800 lumen torches on e-bay and ordered a couple.

Not bad prices @€;17 for a torch with rechargable battery and charger

Try a search using "cree 800 lumen"

Vizzy

clivej wrote: »

I am just looking at adjustable focus Cree 800 lumen torches on e-bay and ordered a couple.

Not bad prices @€;17 for a torch with rechargable battery and charger

Try a search using "cree 800 lumen"

Clive,
Had a look at these lamps and they look great but they have a warning about charging them within 6 hours of getting them( discharging them I presume) and not letting them get below 15% of power otherwise you will damage the battery.
You seem to know about these things(ref your previous posts here),is this a concern ?
Also are the batteries readily available here?

Last thing,be careful ordering stuff from outside the EU cos there may/will be duty payable if it is over €22 ( including P+P)
I was caught last week

clivej

Vizzy wrote: »

Clive,
Had a look at these lamps and they look great but they have a warning about charging them within 6 hours of getting them( discharging them I presume) and not letting them get below 15% of power otherwise you will damage the battery.
You seem to know about these things(ref your previous posts here),is this a concern ?
Also are the batteries readily available here?

Last thing,be careful ordering stuff from outside the EU cos there may/will be duty payable if it is over €22 ( including P+P)
I was caught last week

Yes you can overcharge these batteries and again don't let them run down. But the torches will stop working when the batteries get below a certain limit anyway so recharge when empty.

SOME use 3.7 volt 18650 type batteries (not to easy to get here) or can use 2 of the cr123. I use a battery charger that measures the charging rate and stops when full so I don't worry about the overcharging warning bit. I also use the 18560 batteries that have a protection circuit on them to stop sudden discharge if the torch should go short circuit and also prevents the discharge below 15% of full charge thing.

DealExtreme.com has all the LED torches, batteries and chargers you could ever need. Free post and cheap from China.
They also do torch gun mounts, wind meters, and plenty of over stuff.

I ended up ordering 2 adjustable zoom torches one @800 lumen with it's own charger and another @500 lumen that takes the 18560 type batteries. 12-25 days delivery time. Total for both including post was about €30


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- Protective circuitry kicks in when voltage is over 4.2V while charging, 2.75V while discharging


Soshine AC/Car Lithium Battery Charger for 18650/17670/17650 (110V~240V/12V) $15
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marlin

There's an interesting wrinkle to this problem. Alkalines are rated at 1.5 volts, which is their voltage when they're new and fresh. NiMH's 1.2 volt rating is actually their average nominal voltage, which you can see on discharge curves. Adding to this is that alkalines dip below 1.2V very early on while being used, while NiMHs stay around their rated 1.2V much longer. So it's likely that a NiMH will provide a higher voltage much longer than an alkaline.

lb1981

Just tried the red and yellow wrappers off a quality street sweet over the end of the led lensor ,held on with an elastic, dosnt look pretty but it is fairly good

Savage93

lb1981 wrote: »

Just tried the red and yellow wrappers off a quality street sweet over the end of the led lensor ,held on with an elastic, dosnt look pretty but it is fairly good

That's what we need to see, more creativity, this recession might bring some good things yet, necessity being the mother of invention and all that. Don't tell your mammy though, she'll only give out to you fro eating quality streets on Ash wednesda:)y

lb1981

Savage93 wrote: »

That's what we need to see, more creativity, this recession might bring some good things yet, necessity being the mother of invention and all that. Don't tell your mammy though, she'll only give out to you fro eating quality streets on Ash wednesda:)y

Can't take the credit for this , i got it off a website while searching for filters.

One shot on kill

just recieved my p7 in the post today goin out tonite to see how she goes onto of th 22 lr

lookin forward to it

daithi55

just to let anybody whos ordering off deal extreme
that anything ordered outside the eu over the value of 22 euro will get caught for customs ive ordered different things from them over the last few months and have been caught

customs charge 21% of the value of item
they will look for a reciept and then theres a 6 euro an post handling fee as well

so if its 100 euro
you will pay 21 euro to customs
and 6 euro to an post
making the overall price of product 127 euro
instead of 100

Vizzy

The batteries have just run out in the Ledlenser and i have been monitoring the usage and I reckon I got just over 27 hours on the batteries that were supplied with it and the vast majotiry of this was on full beam.
Might try rechargeable next although 27 hrs is not bad for about €3

Thomasofmel

That's brilliant - I have not had a chance to try my P7 out yet... :mad:

clivej

daithi55 wrote: »

just to let anybody whos ordering off deal extreme
that anything ordered outside the eu over the value of 22 euro will get caught for customs ive ordered different things from them over the last few months and have been caught

customs charge 21% of the value of item
they will look for a reciept and then theres a 6 euro an post handling fee as well

so if its 100 euro
you will pay 21 euro to customs
and 6 euro to an post
making the overall price of product 127 euro
instead of 100

Anything I have got from them so far each item arrives in thier own package and the cost is put down as small money.

I've more on the way so I'll check it out again.

daithi55

clivej wrote: »

Anything I have got from them so far each item arrives in thier own package and the cost is put down as small money.

I've more on the way so I'll check it out again.

what i bought from them was a satellite box in a bulky packet thats probably why

it stands out more lol

One shot on kill

i have used the p7 a couple of times not its one serious piece of kit i couldnt beleive the light out of it

i got the duracell plus batterys and swaped them with the led lenser batts it actually made a notice differance

rang lenser to find out could tge battery do any harm they told me there advisen people to do this now as lenser battery are crap

conor-mr2

Anyone know if these are still on sale?

Lorraine 24

I bought a LED Lenser P7 for my boyfriend for his birthday and he loves it as he was very impressed with the light output. I bought it of a crowd called www.flashlights.ie which were very helpful and are selling led lenser at a cheap price.

Invincible

Lorraine 24 wrote: »

I bought a LED Lenser P7 for my boyfriend for his birthday and he loves it as he was very impressed with the light output. I bought it of a crowd called www.flashlights.ie which were very helpful and are selling led lenser at a cheap price.

Not that cheap @ €64.99
£34.09 including free delivery from Amazon.co.uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenser-8407-Torch-Gift-Black/dp/B0018O7UAA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343137070&sr=8-1

garv123

I bought the gun mount/pressure switch one they have for euro for 72 euro delivered from an irish company so its not that good to be honest.

Lorraine 24

Invincible wrote: »

Not that cheap @ €64.99
£34.09 including free delivery from Amazon.co.uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenser-8407-Torch-Gift-Black/dp/B0018O7UAA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343137070&sr=8-1

It seems a good price, but I know of people who have bought items like this at a cheaper price and they seem to be fakes as battery life isn't as good and light output isn't as good either. Sites like www.flashlights.ie are authorised sellers of the genuine Led Lenser range, only from my experience of buying I wouldn't like to see anyone getting caught out, place see attached image in relation to the fake Led Lensers which is displayed on the ledlenser.com website

Invincible

Lorraine 24 wrote: »

Invincible wrote: »

Not that cheap @ €64.99
£34.09 including free delivery from Amazon.co.uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenser-8407-Torch-Gift-Black/dp/B0018O7UAA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343137070&sr=8-1

It seems a good price, but I know of people who have bought items like this at a cheaper price and they seem to be fakes as battery life isn't as good and light output isn't as good either. Sites like www.flashlights.ie are authorised sellers of the genuine Led Lenser range, only from my experience of buying I wouldn't like to see anyone getting caught out, place see attached image in relation to the fake Led Lensers which is displayed on the ledlenser.com website

Are flashlight.ie a good comany to work for?

garv123

Lorraine 24 wrote: »

It seems a good price, but I know of people who have bought items like this at a cheaper price and they seem to be fakes as battery life isn't as good and light output isn't as good either. Sites like www.flashlights.ie are authorised sellers of the genuine Led Lenser range, only from my experience of buying I wouldn't like to see anyone getting caught out, place see attached image in relation to the fake Led Lensers which is displayed on the ledlenser.com website

Yup that it true that there are a lot of fakes on ebay for cheap but the price I Quoted is for a genuine one that have been selling them with a long time and are still much cheaper.