QCA & Repating!

YesBoi

Hey I'm just wondering if u dont dont reach your 2.0 qca at the end of the year what happpens? have you to repeat the whole year and every subject and pay a fee of 8,000€ or what happens?
My QCA is a pathetic 1.6 after my first semester in college.
What do i need to pass the year what grades? & is it possible?
p.s iv no repeats iv 2 d2's tho.
Cheers.

highlydebased

Your QCA for the full year needs to be 4.00 or higher (2 semesters put together). So you need to get a 2.4 this semester. However, because your current QCA is below 2.00 you need to repeat the 2 D2's.

YesBoi

How come people i know who got d's and got below the qca of 2 didn have to repeat them?? No one actually knows what happens urrrgh!! im sure if i get a qca of 2.4 this semester i pass the year 1.6+2.4/2!

Delta Kilo

Neon Circles that doesnt really make sense.

YesBoi, like you said if you get a QCA of 2.4 or greater this semester, and no F grades, then you will not have to repeat anything. Your QCA for the year will be 2 and you will have no F grades.

You need a QCA of at least 2 and no F grades to be allowed to proceed to the next academic year.

TheTownie

YesBoi wrote: »

How come people i know who got d's and got below the qca of 2 didn have to repeat them?? No one actually knows what happens urrrgh!! im sure if i get a qca of 2.4 this semester i pass the year 1.6+2.4/2!

Your spot on! As long as your cumulative QCA (Average of the two semesters) is above 2.0 your find. The D's will go down as compensatory fails.

Obviously any F's have to be repeated no matter what QCA you get.

YesBoi

Thanks lads!!
But what i wanna know is what happens if i dont reach the qca of 2?
taken all options into consideration.

TheTownie

YesBoi wrote: »

Thanks lads!!
But what i wanna know is what happens if i dont reach the qca of 2?
taken all options into consideration.

Your allowed a total of 4 repeats, so you've got two D's so far, you can only afford two more D's / F's this semester.

Each repeat exam costs €171 / €172 so if you have to repeat four it will cost four times that.

If you fail a repeat / repeats you can do link-in modules rather than repeating the whole year. Think it cost €200 (might be very wrong with that figure) to do a link-in module.

Not sure how many link-in modules you are allowed to do. Probably two per semester also.

Edit: Here is a link to the UL progression policy. It lists out your options should you fail to make the minimum QCA requirement.

highlydebased

YesBoi wrote: »

How come people i know who got d's and got below the qca of 2 didn have to repeat them?? No one actually knows what happens urrrgh!! im sure if i get a qca of 2.4 this semester i pass the year 1.6+2.4/2!

They will have to- well, the way I interpret it anyway

i.e- with a QCA of below 2.00 you will need to repeat compensating fails.

Taken from student handbook

"
Compensating Fail
If your QCA is greater or equal to 2.0 and includes D1 and/or D2 grades (compensating fail grades),
you do not have to repeat the modules for which you got the D1 or D2 grades, i.e. you can proceed to
the next stage of your programme. The reason for this is that to have achieved a QCA score of 2.0 or
greater with D1 and/or D2 grades included, you must have done well enough in other modules to
compensate for the D1/D2 grades. "

TheTownie

Neon-Circles wrote: »

They will have to- well, the way I interpret it anyway

i.e- with a QCA of below 2.00 you will need to repeat compensating fails.

Taken from student handbook

"
Compensating Fail
If your QCA is greater or equal to 2.0 and includes D1 and/or D2 grades (compensating fail grades),
you do not have to repeat the modules for which you got the D1 or D2 grades, i.e. you can proceed to
the next stage of your programme. The reason for this is that to have achieved a QCA score of 2.0 or
greater with D1 and/or D2 grades included, you must have done well enough in other modules to
compensate for the D1/D2 grades. "

I think where you are misinterpreting is that student handbook quote is referring to a student's cumulative QCA (which is basically the average QCA across the two semesters) not one semester's QCA.

If you had to repeat because of a low QCA in semester 1, UL would be sending out letters in January telling students they have repeats to do in August which of course they don't.

The only scenario where students get module failure letters in January is if they are going on Co-Op in semester 2.

mulner92

I got a qca of 2.6 at christmas, would a qca of 1.4 be enough to pass the year? Obviously I want to do as best i can, but was just curious how it works out.

TheTownie

mulner92 wrote: »

I got a qca of 2.6 at christmas, would a qca of 1.4 be enough to pass the year? Obviously I want to do as best i can, but was just curious how it works out.

I'm pretty sure it's not possible to get a QCA of 1.4 without getting an F in something. D's are 1.6, so if you did get 1.4 that would mean you got an F in something so you would have to do the repeat exam for that F.

Remember repeat exams are capped at C3, so passing the repeat exam has to bring your QCA at or above 2.0 otherwise you'd have to repeat a module you got a D in also.

mid

TheTownie wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's not possible to get a QCA of 1.4 without getting an F in something. D's are 1.6, so if you did get 1.4 that would mean you got an F in something so you would have to do the repeat exam for that F.

Remember repeat exams are capped at C3, so passing the repeat exam has to bring your QCA at or above 2.0 otherwise you'd have to repeat a module you got a D in also.

I think a D1 is 1.6, a D2 is 1.2

http://goo.gl/1aun6

TheTownie

mid wrote: »

I think a D1 is 1.6, a D2 is 1.2

http://goo.gl/1aun6

Well spotted, unfortunately for me I was too lazy to do that simple search. :P

The general idea behind what I was saying remains the same though...

So the simple answer is yes, you can proceed with a QCA of 1.4 in semester 2 having received a QCA of 2.6 in semester 1.

Mossin

No offense to those who have replied, as you have answered the OP's question, but you should have directed them to the questions for the education officer thread, where this question has been asked to death...and tbh OP, a simple search would have helped without the need for endless replies to this topic.

TheTownie

Mossin wrote: »

No offense to those who have replied, as you have answered the OP's question, but you should have directed them to the questions for the education officer thread, where this question has been asked to death...and tbh OP, a simple search would have helped without the need for endless replies to this topic.

I understand where your coming from Mossin, I never hesitate to refer people to the Education Officer thread, but in this instance its a straight forward question with a straight forward answer.

Of course one or two replies have not been accurate hence why I gave a link to the official progression policy page which just confirms the points I made.

In a perfect world people could just look for a similar question in the Education Officer thread or a simple google search but we all know thats not how people operate and repetitive questions, rightly or wrongly, are part & parcel of the UL thread.

We all have the best of intentions anyway so I have no problem with this thread. :pac:

Mini Mini

Hi
I was wondering if you get over 4 Ds in the 2 semesters in 1st year but still have a QCA over 2.0, would you be able to proceed on to the next year?

highlydebased

Mini Mini wrote: »

Hi
I was wondering if you get over 4 Ds in the 2 semesters in 1st year but still have a QCA over 2.0, would you be able to proceed on to the next year?

Once your QCA is above 2.0 you can progress. You will be given the option to clear the D's (but the max you can get in a repeat is a C3).

Mini Mini

thank for that
but what happens if you get 4 Ds and one F but your QCA is still over 2? Do you just repeat the F?

wnolan1992

Mini Mini wrote: »

thank for that
but what happens if you get 4 Ds and one F but your QCA is still over 2? Do you just repeat the F?

You'll have to repeat the F. The D's will be optional repeats.

Jester252

wnolan1992 wrote: »

You'll have to repeat the F. The D's will be optional repeats.

An option not many will take seen as the grades are wiped

Cossax

Jester252 wrote: »

An option not many will take seen as the grades are wiped

They don't count towards your final QCA and award but they're still on your transcript.

wnolan1992

Cossax wrote: »

They don't count towards your final QCA and award but they're still on your transcript.

Which can be important when going for co-op.

Having 4 D's on your transcript might not give the best impression...

Gael23

Mini Mini wrote: »

Hi
I was wondering if you get over 4 Ds in the 2 semesters in 1st year but still have a QCA over 2.0, would you be able to proceed on to the next year?

I think there is some rule that you can only sit a max of 3 repeats in one year. I'm not certain about that though

Agent_99

If you have a QCA of over 2.0 you can proceed with optional repeats I.e your D's.
max repeats for any semester is two up to a max of four for the year. For instance if you fail 3 in first semester of 3 rd year and go on to do your coop you will have to return to complete first semester in third year again you can't progress to 4th but you dont have to do coop again effectively sitting out from December til the following September

yesno1234

Agent_99 wrote: »

If you have a QCA of over 2.0 you can proceed with optional repeats I.e your D's.
max repeats for any semester is two up to a max of four for the year. For instance if you fail 3 in first semester of 3 rd year and go on to do your coop you will have to return to complete first semester in third year again you can't progress to 4th but you dont have to do coop again effectively sitting out from December til the following September

You can repeat 4 in any full year (ie not on co op). It doesn't matter if it's 4 from semester 1 and 0 from semester 2 or vice versa. It's only when you're on co op for one semester that you can only repeat the 2 from the semester you were in college.

Gumbi

yesno1234 wrote: »

You can repeat 4 in any full year (ie not on co op). It doesn't matter if it's 4 from semester 1 and 0 from semester 2 or vice versa. It's only when you're on co op for one semester that you can only repeat the 2 from the semester you were in college.

If you fail a repeat while on coop (like I am from June through February), does your Coop immediately end and must you repeat the year for that single module? Or will the module be carried on into next year first semester for a link-in?

Thanks!

Gael23

Gumbi wrote: »

If you fail a repeat while on coop (like I am from June through February), does your Coop immediately end and must you repeat the year for that single module? Or will the module be carried on into next year first semester for a link-in?

Thanks!

I think that you can finish your Coop but you will have to do that module as a link in during Semester 1 so you won't be able to progress to the next year.
I'm not 100% certain on that though.

Gumbi

ryanf1 wrote: »

I think that you can finish your Coop but you will have to do that module as a link in during Semester 1 so you won't be able to progress to the next year.
I'm not 100% certain on that though.

So I'd miss a year basically? That sucks

Chimaera

Why does it suck? The consequences of repeating are well known and outlined in the student handbook. If you don't want to fall foul of it, put in the work first time around!

Gumbi

Chimaera wrote: »

Why does it suck? The consequences of repeating are well known and outlined in the student handbook. If you don't want to fall foul of it, put in the work first time around!

I thought if a module isn't "critical" you may be able to do a link-in that semester? For example, I can do a link-in of that module while finishing my coop (which I am currently 3 months into doing)

mud

Is it a core module or an elective?

Gumbi

mud wrote: »

Is it a core module or an elective?

None of my modules were optional, so I don't suspect it was elective, but I will check.

mud

I hope you get on ok with it. Repeats are a balls and there are a lot of reasons for repeating. Maybe drop your course head a line and see if they can shed some light. Best of luck!

itgirl268

hey so i repeated a module that i failed first semester. but i don't think it faired so well my overall qca is 1.9. what happens if i do fail it again?

Gael23

itgirl268 wrote: »

hey so i repeated a module that i failed first semester. but i don't think it faired so well my overall qca is 1.9. what happens if i do fail it again?

Your QCA has to be above 2.0 to progress so you will have to do a link in module

itgirl268

ryanf1 wrote: »

Your QCA has to be above 2.0 to progress so you will have to do a link in module

How do I go about that?

Gael23

itgirl268 wrote: »

How do I go about that?

Im not sure because Ive never had to do one myself. But I imagine if you do fail the repeat, SAA will instruct you what to do.

wnolan1992

itgirl268 wrote: »

How do I go about that?

When the results are out, go to SAA and discuss doing a link in (you might have to talk to your course director, I'm not 100% on that because I had to do it because modules changed when I failed). You then go and get a Link-In Registration Form from those little pigeon holes beside the Fees Office. You fill that out, pay the fees for the module, and hand it in to the Fees Office.

Slugs

So, despite my previous thoughts, I did quite well in my final exam and achieved a 2.89 QCA, which has brought a new challenge :P.

Typically the discretionary section is within 0.10 for application for awards. I'm 0.11... Any idea if it's worth my while still applying for a 2.1 award and how to go about doing it?

Cheers!

Chimaera

You don't apply for a higher award - the faculty decide at the grading meeting whether you should receive it or not. If you were repeating to clear an I-grade they might consider it depending on your other work, but if you were clearing a fail grade then I'd say you take what you got and run with it.

Gael23

Slugs wrote: »

So, despite my previous thoughts, I did quite well in my final exam and achieved a 2.89 QCA, which has brought a new challenge :P.

Typically the discretionary section is within 0.10 for application for awards. I'm 0.11... Any idea if it's worth my while still applying for a 2.1 award and how to go about doing it?

Cheers!

You won't be put in front of the exam board if your more than 0.1 away.

irishgal07

hey guys, got my UL results today and I'm not very happy...
I got 1 F, 1D2, C1,C2 and a C3.
Qca is 1.64
If i repeat the F and the D2 and come out with a C3 will i get a @.0 qca?
Please someone help, I'm so upset! some guidance as to if i can get my 2.0 would make me very happy

Gumbi

irishgal07 wrote: »

hey guys, got my UL results today and I'm not very happy...
I got 1 F, 1D2, C1,C2 and a C3.
Qca is 1.64
If i repeat the F and the D2 and come out with a C3 will i get a @.0 qca?
Please someone help, I'm so upset! some guidance as to if i can get my 2.0 would make me very happy

Depends on your sem 1 QCA. Your overall QCA needs to be 2. You have to repeat the F. The D2 is worth 1.4 IIRC, so a C3 is a big boost to a 2.0 if you'd like to repeat it.

irishgal07

Hi Gumbi,
It was 2.4 last semester?

Gumbi

irishgal07 wrote: »

Hi Gumbi,
It was 2.4 last semester?

Technically you could just repeat your F, and you'd have a QCA of 2.08 for the second sem. So your overall QCA would be 2.4 + 2.08 divided by 2 for the overall QCA. You can also repeat your D2, which would bring your second sem QCA up to 2.14.

marno21

Are you allowed more than 2 D1's in a semester without having to repeat one of them?

wnolan1992

marno21 wrote: »

Are you allowed more than 2 D1's in a semester without having to repeat one of them?

Once QCA is above 2.0, yes.

marno21

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Once QCA is above 2.0, yes.

Fantastic stuff, have 3 of them so not having an extra repeat is brilliant.