WPP - FAS

conan doyle

Hi,

I know this subject has been on before but just thought I'd update people on my own experience. Got a tip off of a possible job from a friend of mine who knows I've been looking for a while now.
Got all dressed up and printed out a beautiful CV and called to see the guy who was really nice and very interested. I went through the interview process only to be asked at the end "would you be able to get on the WPP thing" I was a bit taken back but said not I didn't qualify for that. The guy sat there bare faced and told me he wanted staff but why should he pay for them when he can get them for free. All his business friends are doing this and he thinks its great. I think this is a disgrace. Fas are killing the job market. Anyone else have this experience.

aficionado

Sorry to hear that,
I had a similar experience only did had the interview, Told them my salary expectations, (which were pretty low compared to the job expectations)
Heard back from them a month later! Offered me the job, great I thought

Then rang a few days later asking if I qualified for the FAS wpp?! Said they werent prepared to offer me the salary I was looking for and now only were taking on those on WPP,
Tak about about getting fecked about, I was livid

conan doyle

conan doyle wrote: »

told me he wanted staff but why should he pay for them when he can get them for free. All his business friends are doing this and he thinks its great.

Sorry, but there's no way I believe that. I'm certain that businesses are using the WPP to scapegoat people into working for nothing, but I don't believe a manager of a company that offers a product or service would be that blunt or crude about it.

Oh_Noes

It's bizarre, I've seen very few people posting on here who have actually taken part in a WPP position but the employers persist in advertising them so someone must be taking them.

Saddest thing is that I would imagine a fair few of the WPP positions advertised are there because someone in a junior position was let go to cut costs and now they want to replace them with free labour.

It's the people that are accepting these positions that are keeping the practice going. There needs to be a bit of a Joe Duffy style public outrage at this practice so that it's stopped.

conan doyle

aficionado wrote: »

Sorry to hear that,
I had a similar experience only did had the interview, Told them my salary expectations, (which were pretty low compared to the job expectations)
Heard back from them a month later! Offered me the job, great I thought

Then rang a few days later asking if I qualified for the FAS wpp?! Said they werent prepared to offer me the salary I was looking for and now only were taking on those on WPP,
Tak about about getting fecked about, I was livid

I know the way you felt but we have to stay strong and resist being exploited it's the only way to keep our dignity

conan doyle

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry, but there's no way I believe that. I'm certain that businesses are using the WPP to scapegoat people into working for nothing, but I don't believe a manager of a company that offers a product or service would be that blunt or crude about it.

I'm sorry to say but believe it - I was the one sitting there listening to it! Believe me it was one of the most humiliating things I've gone through

conan doyle

People are getting desperate now and are being brainwashed into thinking that this could lead to a job of course the reality is it rarely happens. I've never heard of it anyway

conan doyle

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry, but there's no way I believe that. I'm certain that businesses are using the WPP to scapegoat people into working for nothing, but I don't believe a manager of a company that offers a product or service would be that blunt or crude about it.

Just had to come back to you on the point of your disbelief in what I wrote but I presume your working so are not looking for a job. The job market out there is tough and employers are the masters of the fates of those of us looking. This guy was up front in telling me that he was manipulating the situation I was in and felt fine about it. I urge you to go on the FAS website where all the relevant info is online. You will see there is no salary for these jobs, a set amount of time either 6 or 9 months and then you are back on the dole. I'm afraid it was your disbelief that got to me.

Mrs OBumble

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry, but there's no way I believe that. I'm certain that businesses are using the WPP to scapegoat people into working for nothing, but I don't believe a manager of a company that offers a product or service would be that blunt or crude about it.

I absolutely believe it: there are employers in this country who really are that stupid.

conan doyle

conan doyle wrote: »

Just had to come back to you on the point of your disbelief in what I wrote but I presume your working so are not looking for a job. The job market out there is tough and employers are the masters of the fates of those of us looking. This guy was up front in telling me that he was manipulating the situation I was in and felt fine about it. I urge you to go on the FAS website where all the relevant info is online. You will see there is no salary for these jobs, a set amount of time either 6 or 9 months and then you are back on the dole. I'm afraid it was your disbelief that got to me.

I'm unemployed, and have been for a while. I've applied for many jobs, but never a WPP position.

I do find it shocking that any manager/business person would admit that, though. Understandable if they wish to manipulate the jobs front, it's their business after all, but to be so stuoid as to risk badly damaging the view of them a person or people have seems crazy.

I'd make a note to mention the behaviour to everyone.


I do know a person that did a WPP scheme though. He worked for 6 months in a printers (won't name them as Boards' seem to have an issue with the "name and shame" thing, which I don't understand). I don't know the person directly, he's more of a friend of a friend, but apparently he went into work, worked as hard as anyone else, hoping that when his six months were up (he did it early into the WPP, before they started getting dragged out to nine months) they'd have a position for him, even if only part time.

Anyway, apparently, six months came and went, he got a "cheers, mate", and hasn't heard from them since.

I find it disgusting. I'm sure businesses are cash-strapped and that's obviusly why they're taking WPP people on, but you'd think a bit of decency would shine through, and they'd throw him a few euro at the end of the week for his travel cost or even lunches or such.

I do feel it's the bloke's own stupidity for agreeing to work for six months for nothing in the first place anyway, though.

I wouldn't mind doing it for something I had a massive interest in. For example, I enjpoy photography, so I'd be happy to do that for nothing but the experience it offers. But a production line job? Not a hope.

Lux23

If this is true report him!

I already did it with a company back in November and they were investigated, was a great a feeling.

wmpdd3

Who investigated them?

bmarley

Anyone who disbelieves OP post should go to the "jobs" advertised on the fas website. The majority of these are work placements and often require years of experience in the field. This is detrimental to our economy and employers will take advantage of this system. Any company can apply for a free fas worker and set out their job criteria. The employee gets no extra's on top of their dole payment to cover mileage, clothes costs etc. What hope is there for the future? Get rid of fas.

dan_d

I'm of the very strong opinion that a time limit should have been put on that WPP thing...or should be now. ie, it's only an option available to employers for 24 months, and then it closes.
Even putting an end date on it's availability now, in tandem with a serious job strategy might work...

Denerick

I wish they'd kill off this WPP thing, or at least make it so that its very temporary, like an internship thing (2 months max) Its completely distorting the job market. For entry level positions like data entry it has made it practically impossible to get in... Why would you when someone will do it for free? Its an utter disgrace.

sunflower27

conan doyle wrote: »

I'm sorry to say but believe it - I was the one sitting there listening to it! Believe me it was one of the most humiliating things I've gone through

Why were you humiliated? He should be. What a tight-arsed git.

Seriously, this should be investigated. I'd love an expose on this...

Lux23

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Who investigated them?

Fas and they aren't able to take on WPP candidates anymore.

dan_d

I've just had a look through the FAS site for jobs.

90% of what's there are WPP positions. Paid jobs are in the minority. And the WPP positions are all quite technical, requiring qualifications to a certain level.

That, to me, is extremely annoying. It means that employers are out there abusing the system, or else that employers need workers and could create paid jobs, but haven't got the cash flow to pay people, and therefore can only take them on for free.

Given that our illustrious politicians never stop yapping about job creation, I think it's high time they addressed this. Most of those positions are also graduate positions, which makes it worse again.How many of those employers could genuinely create jobs for grads because they need them....but they're getting no money from the banks to keep the cashflow going in their business (I just find it hard to believe that that many employers would abuse a system so badly...)

deelite

I'm very confused about this WPP thing - I've found a hospital they have 2 jobs different depts under the WPP - so what happens after the participant completes the programme will they be offered the job or will the job go back again for another participant if you get my drift.

Also if I'm receiving 70 euro p.w. from social welfare would that be what I'd get for doing a WPP for 35 hours per week?

conan doyle

Hi Deelite,

I've had a few encounters with WPP so believe me I know the score with them. The deal is you will work on your placement for the allotted time either 6 or 9 months. There is no guarantee that is a job at the end of it for you, so be fooled in to this. Yes the experience is great but you have to work for 70 euro a week. Two of my friends did this to try to get their foot in the door so to speak but were left high and dry at the end of it, no jobs and back on the dole. Just a word of caution here, one of my friends ran out of credits while on a wpp and was left without payment from social welfare for a few weeks she had to borrow money for bus fares and lunches etc so be careful before you take one on and check out your social welfare status. I don't want to sound negative here but this subject has been a bug bear to me for some time so I guess take everthing I say with a ton of salt and make up your own mind. My own experience has been bad and I'm totally against them but dont let it colour your decision. Good luck with the job search.

RATM

As a recruiter I get to see both sides of this coin. I've had employers contact me asking to recruit for them for 9 month WPP schemes. They've wanted people with expereince and also for them to work for free. As a result I don't bother taking on these contracts anymore because my line of thinking is that if a candidate is good at what they do and can prove it then they deserve payment.

The other side of the coin is internships I recruit for that turn into fully paid jobs. For example we have a technical marketing internship on our books at the moment for a software company. As most graduates will not have any experience of technical marketing the successful candidate will have to be trained for 3 months and the employer isn't willing to pay for this training period (which includes one on one mentoring every week). However when the 3 month internship is up the position turns into a €36k p.a. marketing role, which I think is superb wages for a marketing graduate with IT expertise. So from the employers point of view I can understand it- he is going to invest a lot of time and effort in whoever gets the role but does not want to pay them while this happens. However they'll reap the benefits afterwards and once they've a coupe of years under their belt they can easily command a €45k+ salary; as a result I do see the value in taking on that type of unpaid work.

the_syco

Deleted User wrote: »

I(won't name them as Boards' seem to have an issue with the "name and shame" thing, which I don't understand). I don't know the person directly, he's more of a friend of a friend

If you named the company, boards.ie could be done for libel, unless you could back it up, and your friend of a friend would back it up. What do you say the chances of that happening?

deelite

conan doyle wrote: »

Hi Deelite,

I've had a few encounters with WPP so believe me I know the score with them. The deal is you will work on your placement for the allotted time either 6 or 9 months. There is no guarantee that is a job at the end of it for you, so be fooled in to this. Yes the experience is great but you have to work for 70 euro a week. Two of my friends did this to try to get their foot in the door so to speak but were left high and dry at the end of it, no jobs and back on the dole. Just a word of caution here, one of my friends ran out of credits while on a wpp and was left without payment from social welfare for a few weeks she had to borrow money for bus fares and lunches etc so be careful before you take one on and check out your social welfare status. I don't want to sound negative here but this subject has been a bug bear to me for some time so I guess take everthing I say with a ton of salt and make up your own mind. My own experience has been bad and I'm totally against them but dont let it colour your decision. Good luck with the job search.

Thanks for answering - tbh I've no intention of doing a WPP whatsoever I'm just amazed that the hospital in question (it's a private one I think) can get away with this. I asked in the FAS office why the hospital went the WPP route seeing as they must have 2 actual positions available and the answer was because there's an embargo on recruiting.. (I'd be qualified to do either of the positions but not a "token" rate)

henke

Hi

I'm thinking of doing a WPP but I'm unsure. I'm on €144 dole a week (not €188 only because I'm under the age of 24). Do you still get the same rate as usual or the full €188 for doing a WPP.

I don't really want to do one and would look for work all the time whilst doing it. I'm just concious of it looking better if you are seen to be at something rather than nothing.

Cheers.

ireland2011

I'm writing to get peoples honest opinions about the work placement programme.

To be honest I find it a little upsetting and heartbreaking. As a fully qualified individual with 2 degrees and over 4 years experience in the graphic design, newspaper industry, I am finding it impossible to find paid work in the industry.

Every day I go online to check jobs not only on FAS but on other recruitment websites to find companies are using the WPP1 and WPP2 programmes. Particularly those in the munster - cork region.

Companies are saying they want experienced people with knowledge of illustrator, photoshop, indesign, quark etc. Also they are looking for people with some form of degree. The hours of work would be 39hrs a week for a 9 month period.

So inspite of wanting experienced and qualified workers - they do not want to pay them their deserved wages. Resulting in the worker only receiving their job seekers benefit / allowance of 180 euro a week. Therefore still being classified as unemployed and on the live register.

This works out as 4.60 an hour. Far below the national wage.

I know this is not the only catergory of work that this is occuring in.

Would it not be acceptable for companies to put forward and pay the worker at least 100 - 150euro per week (far below a proper weekly wage paying the national wage). Along with their 180euro from the Social Welfare. This would give the worker 280 - 330euro a week and therefore a more realistic pay to reflect the cost of living in Ireland.

After the 9 month period or the duration of the WPP1 and WPP2 programme. There should be a means for the worker to be able to stay on within the company if work is available and they have proved to be a competant, hard worker. Thus taking them off the live register.

I would be extremely interested in hearing from anyone who supports this idea and has suggestions of how we could get the government to assist in this.

* Just a note - for those who may say stop complaining and just get a job. Following my redundancy , I have taken a part time retail job earn and pay tax as not to have other taxpayers having to pay everything to keep me. I also worked my whole way through college and after, therefore paying tax etc for over 11 years *

conan doyle

Hi,

The rate for CE schemes is 208 euro. To the best of my knowledge that is the lowest rate you can get. Please bear in mind though that you must be unemployed at least one year before you will be considered for these schemes.
Good luck I hope you find something that interests you.

conan doyle

MichaelM1987 wrote: »

Hi

I'm thinking of doing a WPP but I'm unsure. I'm on €144 dole a week (not €188 only because I'm under the age of 24). Do you still get the same rate as usual or the full €188 for doing a WPP.

I don't really want to do one and would look for work all the time whilst doing it. I'm just concious of it looking better if you are seen to be at something rather than nothing.

Cheers.

My apologies I've given you the wrong information- someone else was in the room asking me about CE schemes. The deal with WPPs is that you only get what you were getting on the dole so I'm afraid nothing extra for you, sorry.

conan doyle

Sorry I've given you the wrong info, some one was just asking me about CE schemes while I was replying to you. In the case of WPP you only get what you were getting on the dole, sorry nothing extra for you but at the same time you would get some good experience that might look good on a CV so good luck with your search.

kippy

The WPP has two different guises I believe (WPP1 and WPP2) and now theres this thing called an "internship" as well, which may or may not have replaced one of the WPP's.
No matter what you call it, it has always been rife for abuse by employers. You'll find that the terms are that the jobs CANNOT be jobs that would normally have gone to a full time position - but that is what they are obviously becoming.
http://www.fas.ie/en/Employer/WPP/default.htm

Employers will abuse these schemes if allowed to do so and if they are they need to be reported.
I have noticed that a lot of jobs in the IT sector are very blatantly abusing these criteria (theres no way they cant be).

Sadly, we've almost gone 180 degrees however, what was once an employees world has now gone employers world. That said, they shouldn't be let abuse the system and the schemes should be modified that at least the company is paying the employee something towards their costs.

conan doyle

Kippy I couldn't agree with you more. I had a good old rant about this earlier on in the year as I had a bad experience at an job interview or so I thought only to find out that they would only take me if they could get for nothing on WWP.
I've been following this subject with great interest for a while now and I come across more and more of it. For example I found myself in an official government building only last week. I was conducting a pretty ordinary transaction the usual woman wasn't there, I usually find her really nice so I asked if she was on holidays but oh no she had taken early retirement and was now replaced by a WPP person who told me she only gets 100 a week from the dole despite the fact the she works 9-5 each day! The best example of this I have encountered yet was in a well known coffee shop where the boy there told me he just gets his dole money for working a 40 hour week. His job is to clear tables, wash up and take care of the rubbish! I ask you in the name of all that's holy what good is that to any one! This country is going down the pan fast, I hate saying it but it's true.

henke

conan doyle wrote: »

Sorry I've given you the wrong info, some one was just asking me about CE schemes while I was replying to you. In the case of WPP you only get what you were getting on the dole, sorry nothing extra for you but at the same time you would get some good experience that might look good on a CV so good luck with your search.

Hi, I've been unemployed for 9 months so coming up to a year? Can I ask what are CE schemes? I may research that also.

Cheers

Eoin

ireland2011 wrote: »

I'm writing to get peoples honest opinions about the work placement programme.

threads merged

conan doyle

MichaelM1987 wrote: »

Hi, I've been unemployed for 9 months so coming up to a year? Can I ask what are CE schemes? I may research that also.

Cheers

CE schemes work like this. You have to be unemployed for at least 12 months. If you get on to a scheme you will work 19.5 hours a week. While on the scheme you will also get paid holidays just like you would if you were on any other job. You will also receive training while on the scheme you get a 500 euro allowance and you can then choose what training you want to pursue. They are really good because you can get experience in the area you want. Of all the schemes out there I would wholly recommend one of these to you. Try the FAS web site there are lots of them out there and good luck.

Lux23

I started a WPP scheme a few weeks ago and its going well but I am wondering if I am entitled to the extra €50 that the internship programme participants will get. I have heard politicians talking about it but haven't found anything on the Fas site.

SeaFields

Lux23 wrote: »

I started a WPP scheme a few weeks ago and its going well but I am wondering if I am entitled to the extra €50 that the internship programme participants will get. I have heard politicians talking about it but haven't found anything on the Fas site.

Here's the link for the national internship. Its not up on the Fás site that long.

Just a point as per the WPP "jobs". A new lad (graduate) started working with me last week. He replaced another graduate that emigrated recently. He was telling me that he was offered a trainee management position with one of the major supermarket chains. He was told in the latter stages of the recruitment process that it was 9 month unpaid program and there was no guarantee of a job at the end of it. That fcuking pathetic in my opinion. It not as if they couldn't afford to pay him.

The WPP needs to go now. Its being abused too much and as a number of people have said on this thread, it is distorting the jobs market.

Edit - we need to see more of this

Lux23

No sorry I am on a Fas programme, I am just wondering if I get the same money as the Internship particpants get or are they just going to leave us out of it. I saw that link but it doesn't mention people on the WPP scheme already.

SeaFields

Lux23 wrote: »

No sorry I am on a Fas programme, I am just wondering if I get the same money as the Internship particpants get or are they just going to leave us out of it. I saw that link but it doesn't mention people on the WPP scheme already.

You could be out of luck bud. I am guessing they are two separate schemes and the bureaucratic nature of these things wont allow you to switch onto the other. I'd ring them sooner rather than later anyway and make your case.


Best of luck.

Lux23

Ok thanks, thats stupid.

road_high

conan doyle wrote: »

Hi,

I know this subject has been on before but just thought I'd update people on my own experience. Got a tip off of a possible job from a friend of mine who knows I've been looking for a while now.
Got all dressed up and printed out a beautiful CV and called to see the guy who was really nice and very interested. I went through the interview process only to be asked at the end "would you be able to get on the WPP thing" I was a bit taken back but said not I didn't qualify for that. The guy sat there bare faced and told me he wanted staff but why should he pay for them when he can get them for free. All his business friends are doing this and he thinks its great. I think this is a disgrace. Fas are killing the job market. Anyone else have this experience.

Yep, very same experience. It's bloody joke man. Interview tomorrow in UK for a real job and none of this rubbish. Can't wait to leave, it's so demoralising.

road_high

dan_d wrote: »

I've just had a look through the FAS site for jobs.

90% of what's there are WPP positions. Paid jobs are in the minority. And the WPP positions are all quite technical, requiring qualifications to a certain level.

That, to me, is extremely annoying. It means that employers are out there abusing the system, or else that employers need workers and could create paid jobs, but haven't got the cash flow to pay people, and therefore can only take them on for free.

Given that our illustrious politicians never stop yapping about job creation, I think it's high time they addressed this. Most of those positions are also graduate positions, which makes it worse again.How many of those employers could genuinely create jobs for grads because they need them....but they're getting no money from the banks to keep the cashflow going in their business (I just find it hard to believe that that many employers would abuse a system so badly...)

Yep, many of them with the barefaced cheek asking for several years experience and degrees etc. It's truly astounding that with the country broke the taxpayer is subsidising employers to such an extent. Some of the so-called "jobs" on Fas WPP are quite menial/physical type jobs with little career progression such as working in stables and gardens.

slave2kids

Lux23,

you can have the company change you over from wpp to the intership programme so that you can get the 50euro a week, check out the fas website all details about changing over are on it hth

tyuis

Hey guys just thought that I would pitch in with my two cents.

I have been doing a WPP1 scheme the past five months and today was offered a full-time position that actually pays with the company.

Yes it is horrible to have to get up in the morning and trudge to work, knowing that you have to work another day for no pay.

However if you can look past that, there is a lot of experience to be gained. If you see a placement that you like in an area you enjoy, I say go for it but with the following advice.

Try not to commit for longer than three months. I have done five myself and motivation has been hard to gather the last few weeks. Although I am very happy and willing to run through walls now.

Make sure there is growth potential in the company and the boss can actually afford to keep you on.

Ask as many question as possible, remember you are doing it for yourself. If you are not learning, you are wasting your time.

Whatever you choose, do something you enjoy, put in the effort and you will be rewarded.

Best of luck to all of you and keep the faith.

bmarley

More stupid schemes, for those who meet specific criteria...ruling out so many people that do not fit criteria. There will be no real jobs available for anyone..absolutely everything on fas website is work placement/community employment. What about people who are trained and experienced in certain sectors and do not wish to take up more learning opportunities/work experience? This country is a joke.

PennyLane88

If i was made unemployed tomorrow i'd be out of this country within a month.

This free work stuff seems like a joke. Alot of the companies on the internship scheme/ WPP can well afford to pay the people they hire. Just unreal.

I'd rather go abroad and get paid for my skills than have someone tell me its all about the experience without the pay

slave2kids

tyuis wrote: »

Hey guys just thought that I would pitch in with my two cents.

I have been doing a WPP1 scheme the past five months and today was offered a full-time position that actually pays with the company.

Yes it is horrible to have to get up in the morning and trudge to work, knowing that you have to work another day for no pay.

However if you can look past that, there is a lot of experience to be gained. If you see a placement that you like in an area you enjoy, I say go for it but with the following advice.

Try not to commit for longer than three months. I have done five myself and motivation has been hard to gather the last few weeks. Although I am very happy and willing to run through walls now.

Make sure there is growth potential in the company and the boss can actually afford to keep you on.

Ask as many question as possible, remember you are doing it for yourself. If you are not learning, you are wasting your time.

Whatever you choose, do something you enjoy, put in the effort and you will be rewarded.

Best of luck to all of you and keep the faith.

Well done on securing paid employment, with the wpp company
I am 7 weeks into a wpp1 and I am really enjoying it and hoping my outcome will be as good as yours, there is so much negativity towards the wpp and i am only delighted I decided to try it out for myself rather than basing my decision on other peoples views

Lux23

slave2kids wrote: »

Well done on securing paid employment, with the wpp company
I am 7 weeks into a wpp1 and I am really enjoying it and hoping my outcome will be as good as yours, there is so much negativity towards the wpp and i am only delighted I decided to try it out for myself rather than basing my decision on other peoples views

I am doing one myself but my overall feelings are still negative, the scheme should not be allowed to continue.

allibastor

Hi Guys,

same experiance as this before. was on the rock and roll for a few months. i have LOADS of qualifications in construction, having done 6 years at collage in it. anyway had no job for a while, fas were no help as the limerick branch manager said nothing they could do for me would look better on my CV then my Level 9. anyway went for a job on this WWP program for a site engineer with a company in limerick, not looking for the full role but more something to keep me involved in construction. when i got to the site for my meeting the manager was delighted to get someone of my qualifications and experience there. when i asked who would be the senior engineer that i would report to he said and i quote " that would be you buddy if you start". i then asked well if you are looking for a senior engineer should that not be a proper job he said whay should it? that there is hundreds of lads unemployed in that field and if he can get it for free then why not? i said this to FAS but was told the same thing, that experience was what mattered. i had 5 years of this so i doubt 6 months more would impact my CV loads.

it is a huge dis-incentive to empoyees as you need to firstly fill certain criteria with the DSS to actually qualify for these jobs. then employers use it as an excuse to gain free employment. as said above many of these jobs are looking for people with qualifications and experience. surely FAS should look at this and have alarm bells ringing as what job looks for 5+ years experience and degree's / masters and doesnt want to pay for it.

road_high

Good for you for speaking up and not taking the "job". Madness to accept that level of responsibilty and not be rewarded for your effort.
Bosses are taking the p!ss with this thing. It was indeed meant to give inexperienced people experience to get a real job not for people with years experience as free workers.

Delancey

allibastors experience is yet another fine example of why FAS cannot be trusted to get anything right , they are utterly discredited in all areas and should be wound up at this stage.

Maggiesims

Employers are using wwp for cheap employment and I wish fas would get rid of this, my friend is on maternity leave from her job since last week and on Friday I seen her company advertising a wwp job. I think this is disgraceful, the company should be taking someone off the live register to fill this position for 6 months but instead they get a replacement for free and social welfare will still pay the employee.:eek:

allibastor

tis annoying the way a company can just apply to the scheme as long as they meet certain critera will get accepted. its just more of this country and the governement with the form filling and making sure you can tick all the boxes so that the form looks nice and filled out.

is there anyway of filing a complaint for suspect jobs that are advertised. was looking on the fas website over the weekend for jobs and still loads there looking for qualifications and experience for jobs that are un paid. what a joke. the government should look at re-couping some of the profit made from that employee during the role as a way to offset the fact that the state has to pay for an employee to generate profit for a private company