working for your dole?

jamesr123

A while ago I heard about this and I was just reading another thread on here about it and I was wondering if you people actually think it's gonna happen?

I was up in Obair a few weeks ago and the guy said that it's a good idea but there are so many on the dole now that

1. it would be very hard to setup and make it work properly,

2.Surely if you had people working for their doles they would have to train for the jobs they would be doing? I mean that would cost a fortune in itself wouldnt it?

I think it's a great idea but I really doubt it will happen..

Anyone share this view??

drunkmonkey

It's a bullcrap idea, give the 20k people are getting on the dole to small business and let them create a real job.

flyton5

jamesr123 wrote: »

A while ago I heard about this and I was just reading another thread on here about it and I was wondering if you people actually think it's gonna happen?

I was up in Obair a few weeks ago and the guy said that it's a good idea but there are so many on the dole now that

1. it would be very hard to setup and make it work properly,

2.Surely if you had people working for their doles they would have to train for the jobs they would be doing? I mean that would cost a fortune in itself wouldnt it?

I think it's a great idea but I really doubt it will happen..

Anyone share this view??

Picking up rubbish doesn't require much training...

Kev_ps3

I think creating a society where there are jobs for people is better myself, then there is no real need for the dol. Oh and paying people a decent wage.

jamesr123

flyton5 wrote: »

Picking up rubbish doesn't require much training...

Ye, But how many are umemployed now? (I don't know the exact figure but I know it's massive) surely you can't have everyone on the dole picking up rubbish? Can't be that much rubbish around can there :eek:

squod

Get everyone on the dole a job in a bank. We give banks €140bn they employ 460,000 people, simples.

Dangerous Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw

Compton

yeah you can, save money on bin collection, just throw it on the ground and get the dole workers to pick it up, simple.

hardcore

I believe there should be some type of arrangement to get people on the dole to work on infrastrucutre needed in the country. Perhaps some school building which is badly needed here for the construction workers unemployed, also some extra for fuel/travels costs which should be covered.

It would also gives these people a feel good factor that they are improving the country and some pride in getting up in the morning to do some work.

Nothingbetter2d

working for dole is actually a bad idea.... the reason for this is business would have no reason to employ people.

the FÁS work placement programs is nothing more than legalized slavery.

ya work for 9 months at tax payer's expense then get booted by the company so they can get some other mug to work for them at tax payer's expense for another 9 months.

landsleaving

You can't work for the dole you silly sausage. That's called employment, the dole is for the unemployed.

Honestly, I thought that was obvious.

evolutionqy7

I think its a great idea. Rather than keeping people on the couch they can go out and get some work experience and keep their working skills up to date as well as being motivated till they get a decent job

Nothingbetter2d

landsleaving wrote: »

You can't work for the dole you silly sausage. That's called employment, the dole is for the unemployed.

Honestly, I thought that was obvious.

google fas work placement program

you get paid by social welfare to work for privately owned business

landsleaving

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

google fas work placement program

you get paid by social welfare to work for privately owned business

Obvious joke was not obvious.

Nothingbetter2d

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

I think its a great idea. Rather than keeping people on the couch they can go out and get some work experience and keep their working skills up to date as well as being motivated till they get a decent job

it will actually have a negative effect long term.

why on earth would a company hire people when they can have some poor sucker come work for them at tax payer's expense.

in time we will all end up on the dole cos noone would employ directly anymore.

orourkeda

Isn't working for your dole a paradox?

You either work or are on the dole.

Nothingbetter2d

landsleaving wrote: »

Obvious joke was not funny.

FIXED

hardcore

orourkeda wrote: »

Isn't working for your dole a paradox?

You either work or are on the dole.

Well in a socialist society it would be work. But No it doesnt work for capitalism which a term would describe it as slavery

RichieC

flyton5 wrote: »

Picking up rubbish doesn't require much training...

People are already employed for that, your bitterness is effecting your thought process here.

evolutionqy7

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

it will actually have a negative effect long term.

why on earth would a company hire people when they can have some poor sucker come work for them at tax payer's expense.

in time we will all end up on the dole cos noone would employ directly anymore.

Well i certainly dont wanna be sitting on the dole and on the couch once i get out of college. Once that happens ill just loose all the motivation and energy to go out and do things...Then depression starts

Kev_ps3

orourkeda wrote: »

Isn't working for your dole a paradox?

You either work or are on the dole.

Its called slavery. Im sure there are some on here in favor of it, of course as long its not them.

landsleaving

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

FIXED

Just because you don't get it, doesn't mean it's not funny.

It was the lack of humour which caused that.

Nothingbetter2d

orourkeda wrote: »

Isn't working for your dole a paradox?

You either work or are on the dole.

not anymore in ireland


in other countries your either working or on dole.... in ireland your either on dole at home or on dole at work, or employed and not on dole.

Nothingbetter2d

flyton5 wrote: »

Picking up rubbish doesn't require much training...

wrong ... county council's insurance companies motivated by safety in the workplace laws require litter pickers to have a manual handling course trained before they are allowed to pick up litter. cos we like to sue when we get injured while working.

phasers

I think there should be some kind of programme set up to help unemployed people stay motivated and to benefit society, but I don't think legalised slavery is the way to go. Also businesses would exploit it no end.


Charity work maybe?

KeithAFC

Bringing this into the UK soon i think. Although not sure how it is going to work.

squod

Become a failed property developer and have your dole payments soar to €200,000/anum under NAMA. Poor 'aul developers are prolly real depressed alright.

Nothingbetter2d

phasers wrote: »

I think there should be some kind of programme set up to help unemployed people stay motivated and to benefit society, but I don't think legalised slavery is the way to go. Also businesses would exploit it no end.

business do exploit this already

jamesr123

phasers wrote: »

Charity work maybe?

Maybe collecting money or somthing? Thing is could you really trust loads of different people with that responsibility and nowadays you need training for just about anything, right? It would cost the taxpayer a fortune if this ever did happen..

phasers

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

business do exploit this already

And just imagine how widespread it would be if everyone on the dole had to do it!

Asphyxia

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

I think its a great idea. Rather than keeping people on the couch they can go out and get some work experience and keep their working skills up to date as well as being motivated till they get a decent job

I agree it gives people the initiative to work and stops them from becoming lazy and unmotivated. There are some people I know that haven't worked a day in there lives I would love to see this happening to them

phasers

the thing is though, every job you give someone on the dole is taking away from someone else. What about the people actually employed to sweep the streets and pick up rubbish?

Nothingbetter2d

Pocketfizz wrote: »

I agree it gives people the initiative to work and stops them from becoming lazy and unmotivated. There are some people I know that haven't worked a day in there lives I would love to see this happening to them

it doesnt really give incentive if your forced to do it by the gov. If it gets forced it will do more harm than good.

A better motivation to get people off their asses would be to give employers more tax breaks if they employ more staff. then start reducing the dole a recipient gets if they are on the dole for a long period

this could be achieved by giving reductions on employer's prsi if they employ more staff.... example 1>25 employees 1% reduction in employer's prsi 26>100 employees get 2% reduction in employers psri 101 > 1000 get a 3% reduction in employer prsi and so on.

evolutionqy7

well i think it then goes to the question weather you would rather do nothing or would you rather go out there get some experience in the industry and be ready once you get the chance to jump for a real job

Oh_Noes

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

it will actually have a negative effect long term.

I would imagine that just by the very nature of the FAS WPP system, a lot of people have already lost their jobs so that the employer can fill the vacancy with well-meaning but uninformed welfare recipients who are willing to work for free. And it is working for free, you would get the dole even if you didn't do it so you aren't working for anything.

Even the most conservative, anti-welfare people surely understand that the WPP farce is bad for everyone. Thankfully the majority of people can see how exploitative and regressive it is as there's very slow uptake on those placements.

Mr McBoatface

WPP are a joke ... A noble idea which was ideal for young people starting out looking for a career path but when you see WPP advertised for example in the IT sector with demands like the candidate must have 10 years IT experience and master degree you know it's not being properly managed by FAS.

As things stand WPP = Profitable Private sector being funded by taxpayer which is also taking jobs out of the market.

Senna

Oh_Noes wrote: »

Even the most conservative, anti-welfare people surely understand that the WPP farce is bad for everyone. Thankfully the majority of people can see how exploitative and regressive it is as there's very slow uptake on those placements.

It doesn't work at the moment, but any company that takes part in this scheme could be required to maintain its staffing levels. FAS can easily find out how many have been employed with that company during the last 3/6/12 months. If they see staff levels dropping after joining the scheme, the company is blacklisted.

Working for your dole, could benefit business and the people on the dole (especially long term unemployed), but like everything in this country, plans are made, the merits are there, but its not implemented correctly and so is abused. ~~Tra La La La fcuking La~~